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06 Feb 2024 21:32:14
I was having a wee gander thru some comments on a fan forum on facebook and they were having a conversation on the current state behind the scenes and they were claiming that there's been a big bust up between the Lawwells and Desmond regarding the wasting of funds on pish from the summer window and that desmond has taken recruitment away from the son.
Hence why nothing spent in January. In turn Daddy lawwell backing the son and unhappy with desmond. Desmond reportedly said no funds available in january until players moved on and funds got back that was wasted.
That was the run down between 2 or 3 fans and the admin on the forum. Not sure where they're getting it from but it doesn't seem that far fetched and id say there is at very least some part of this will be true.
1.) 06 Feb 2024 23:17:40
So the attitude is because you mucked things up (Lawells) we going to muck the season up just to spite you. Seriously!
2.) 06 Feb 2024 23:20:08
Celtic have still made a net profit on transfers this season, as usual.
3.) 07 Feb 2024 00:15:22
Totally understand that buzz but what i think they were getting at was the summer window was that bad desmond wasnt going to trust young lawwell with recruitment again. Another bad window and there might not be a net profit.
Like i mentioned chasa i doubt all that was mentioned is true but i think there is a good chance of a bust up behind the scenes of some sort, whether that be over recruitment/ funds etc, that would be anyones guess. But i do think recruitment is a very realistic one. Plus if desmond doesn't trust the current recruitment then its unlikely he will give them more money to plunder. One way or another its obvious something is up and we will find out about it sooner or later if people start getting sacked or walk.
4.) 07 Feb 2024 00:35:32
DerryTim,
It been woeful for everyone and I would be more concerned, if there wasn’t any disagreements and fallouts on the back of this season so far.
5.) 07 Feb 2024 02:10:53
100% agreed buzz. For the sake of how bad things are let's hope there's in fighting because as you said we are in even more serious trouble if they're not.
6.) 07 Feb 2024 08:52:23
Think if DD was unhappy with current recruitment team in such terms they would be gone. Doubt he became a billionaire by having hissy fits then taking a huff. As mentioned somewhere else, he wouldn’t accept this in any of his other businesses, he would be ruthless. Can only hope that above the manager there is plenty of infighting, leading to a slaughter!
7.) 07 Feb 2024 09:18:48
And yet he was happy to sell jota and starfelt oor dermot under lawells stewardship. cannot have it both ways.
8.) 07 Feb 2024 10:53:31
DD decisions would be more of a policy thing rather than individual players I would think. And didn’t Starfelt want to leave, also, couldn’t really refuse Jota money ( his eyes were seeing $) . The pisser there is that we never spent adequately to replace them.
Only hope is that DD flecks off to sort his golf handicap out and leaves junior to progress the club, hopefully before the Lawell cult brainwash him.
9.) 07 Feb 2024 13:14:03
You nailed it buzz: sell more than you buy. That’s all. The rest is static. Our fan-atical support reduced to brand loyalty at best. It’s $hite.
10.) 07 Feb 2024 18:20:27
I think if DD was unhappy at recruitment he’d have made a decision and communicated that before the January window.
11.) 09 Feb 2024 07:53:38
I can see any of that being true. Lawell can’t make the decision if DD says no. Just guys making rubbish up about stuff they would never know, even if it was true.
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25 Apr 2024 09:01:07
This is a list of players that should be deemed not good enough IMO and moved on.
siegrist
bain
nawrocki
lagerbielke
kobayashi
bernebei
montgomery
holm
kwon
mccarthy
shaw
haksabanovic
forrest
mikey j
yang
tilio
kenny
oh
Thats 18 players on the books that need moved on ASAP
Nearly a full squad of players where the shirt is too heavy for. Just a reminder of how bad our recruitment has been lately (ill exclude forrest as he's been an excellent servent but is still best moving on)
Theres maybe another 3 or 4 still to prove themselves.
Id guess we would do well to get £10/ 15m for the lot and possibly £100/ 150k freed up on wages.
With Hart retiring, and oriley moving on for likely £30m plus and the £10m we got for abada that could easily open the door for us to spend £60m and have £200k on wages freed up.
This should allow us 5 players around 12m and pay them 40k pw. Add a couple of experienced players on loan and bring in a couple of youngsters like lennon miller and promote a couple of youth like lawal, kelly and frame.
We have senior squad of almost 40 which is ridiculous. Most clubs have about 25.
Most probably won't agree with this post but quality over quantity is a must going forward. We wouldn't even have to touch the stockpile of cash we have up lawalls arse.
The hardest part will be moving the dross on which could take years unfortunately.
1.) 25 Apr 2024 09:21:39
It’s time, these guys have been building up for a few seasons, most of them know that the gravy train is up here and will be actively looking already, the worrying thing are the ones recently signed on 4/ 5 year deals who might just be tempted to sit out another season or 2 because they won’t be finding the same money elsewhere.
2.) 25 Apr 2024 09:23:45
Forrest not good enough. Lucky that wasn't the case on semi final day!
3.) 25 Apr 2024 09:43:47
They used to say an ideal squad had two quality players for every position and its abundantly clear we are way off that formula.
Supporters would agree with the majority of that list and maybe add or subtract a couple here and there. Unfortunately, a quick clear-out seems unlikely, as we would need full co-operation of the players, numerous interested clubs and a recruitment team that was top notch in negotiations, efficient wheeling and dealing and scouting and this season has shown us to be severely lacking in that department.
However, I can see us getting shot of a few who have one foot out the door already and taking a financial hit on a couple of others, so it would be a start. One things for sure, we can't have another nightmare summer 'window' and winning the title is a priority.
4.) 25 Apr 2024 11:12:39
Hi All hope you are well. Good post DerryTim. Out of those 18 I would keep;
Nawrocki
Monty- (if carrer threatening injury is ok)
Holm - I think has loads of potential, a loan might be good
kwon -needs a fair crack at it, and looks promising on his loan
forest - (for a year) ,
Mikey J -if his confidence lasts
Yang -if we keep him for the right Oh - same as holm, a loan might be good
tilio - needs a crack at it, poss loan
I'm going to add vata to the list, sign him up.
5.) 25 Apr 2024 13:30:49
Dont forget the possible frimpong money.
6.) 25 Apr 2024 15:28:10
Derry Tim,
as far as I'm concerned you're preaching to the choir and my vocal chords are just warming up.
Totally agree that we require better players to be brought in than those already in the team in several positions.
By my estimations we could use, note I'm talking about players going straight into the team;-
* GK - starter + back up (replace Hart and Siegrist)
* CB - partner for CCV
* LB - Taylor drops to the bench
* CDM - we've needed one since Brown left
* replacement for MOR should he leave?
* Winger - no need to explain that one
* Strikers x2 - Miovski/ Idah/? Do we sell Kyogo, in which case we need x4 strikers
We've got plenty of cash and more to come.
We can only hope, pray and watch what takes place.
As JFP has said, if it's 'rinse and repeat' then I truly despair as this season has shown us how poor our first team SQUAD ?
☘️ ? ☘️.
7.) 25 Apr 2024 15:45:58
Big Rocky and Holm shouldn't be anywhere near that list.
8.) 25 Apr 2024 15:47:32
Derry Tim, I think the 25 players u mention are the number of players an EPL must register after Summer Transfer window closes .
I thought most clubs would have a lot more professional players on their books I checked two, one near the top and one near the bottom .
Newcastle have 36 players and Bournemouth 37 .
I think every club, not just Celtic sign players, who for some reason don’t work out for them, if they aren’t good enough for club who buys, then player often isn’t chanced by another club and he probably won’t sign for less wages .
9.) 26 Apr 2024 09:05:29
Did I read that right at the start of this thread that someone thinks it's possible for Celtic to spend 60m on players
Surely nobody actually believes that. I reckon 20m maybe more like it and if we offloaded lots of deadwood from the squad and brought some cash in then at an absolute push maybe 30m ( although I have my doubts about our board spending this much).
I think for Celtic what is more important than the amount of money we spend is actually making sure that almost every signing in making a positive contribution to the squad, I mean spending 8m on defenders in the summer and them not getting a game is just no good to us. We just can't afford that.
21 Apr 2024 22:35:44
Ive been wondering what sort of wages our top players are on and how they compare to 15-20 years ago. Im just interested in knowing if we have kept up with rising wages over the years. I know larsson was on £25/ 30k pw and was our top earner then. Im not sure but im guessing our wage bill is less now than oneills time. Anyone in the know that can enlighten me?
Cheers.
1.) 22 Apr 2024 05:41:56
If I remember correctly Larsson was on 40k by the time he left.
With regards current players, I think Callum is our top paid player and is on 37k, next is CCV on 24k and then Kyogo on 19k.
Our overall wages is circa 22 million per year, which is around 20% of our income. This can be both amazing or depressing, depending on how you look at it.
While it shows amazing financial health, gives us more money for transfers and lots of room for growth. It is also likely the reason we don't attract an even higher calibre of player. It should also be noted that Sevco pay the biggest wages in Scotland, we are just lucky their recruitment suck.
2.) 22 Apr 2024 06:37:09
I’ve read that Callum McGregor earns by far the highest wage at Celtic.
The figures I’ve read is £37K per week for Captain Calmac.
The figure then drops to £25k per week for a couple of players and then a few other players are on about £20k per week.
This season Celtic signed a few £2M to £3M players and are giving them £10k per week.
I’m still not sure the reason why we chose to downsize as a club.
3.) 22 Apr 2024 08:57:19
The downsizing and wage 'freeze' certainly explains the absence of real quality in the squad and our steady demise in Europe.
4.) 22 Apr 2024 09:42:24
Well Said, Celtic decided to go for a cheaper option, that only they can explain why.
5.) 22 Apr 2024 13:38:05
Remember all quoted wages for Celtic players are at best rough estimates, usually come from sources that as a rule are not Celtic friendly . The problem with players wages in Scotland is that usually to attract players who come with a decent reputation we have to offer them a wage in excess of their worth . Celtic have been caught out several time, goal - keeper Barkas& striker Ajeti, we can’t anyone to match their wages and take them off our hands
Of course there are numerous players who could do a good job for Celtic who negotiations don’t get started because Board judge wages demands too high . We will have to continue to search for Head of Recruitment and recruitment staff that can satisfy Board ‘s wage restrictions and supporters football ability . So far we haven’t achieved that.
6.) 22 Apr 2024 14:34:22
Don't see any reason why we cannot pay a few players 40 -50k a week if they merited it. Its the only way to push the club forward, that and more selective and better recruitment.
There are clubs in Europe on similar or smaller budgets than ours but seem to do better in Europe than us, its a bug bear of mine how poor we have been in Europe the last few years.
7.) 22 Apr 2024 19:11:25
@Wee Des You are correct that the precise wages are unknown and the numbers quoted are just estimates. However, the overall wages we pay can be found direct on our annual accounts.
8.) 23 Apr 2024 15:01:32
I agree, do we know are the wages given under wages annual accounts all the wages paid, including ticket office, groundsmen etc . Or are they just the first team squad . Do all Scottish clubs do the same .
I think Weejoe Celtic could pay higher wages, but we haven’t got all the facts . Typical of Board keeping us in dark.
20 Apr 2024 01:33:12
Wont happen but would like to see idah and kyogo together with kyogo just behind idah
Id go with
Hart
Johnston
Ccv
Welsh
Taylor
Hatate
Oriley
Mcgregor
Kuhn
Kyogo
Idah
I think thatll be the team minus palma for idah and nawrocki for welsh.
Ill go 3-0 celts.
07 Apr 2024 14:29:12
Disappointing result considering we could have been 4 or 5 up at half time but not the end of the world. If we avoid injuries we will win the league, im certain of it.
Our midfield 3 of hatate oeilly and iwata were immense especially the first half.
I think with so many of our lads picking up stupid bookings caused us to stand off a bit 2nd half which didn't help.
Idah was excellent and his goal was a peach. His 1st touch and pace for a big man is incredible. Id happily have him as 1st choice next season if we can sign him.
Scales was poor and i think he has run his course now. Shoulnt be anymore than a squad player. Mcgregor and yang cost us with the last goal. Everyone else put in a great shift.
We will pump them at home baring an injury crisis. As bad as we have been at times this season our squad is still miles ahead of them in terms of quality and this couldn't have been more evident 1st half.
1.) 07 Apr 2024 15:01:13
Iwata will be much more of a player next year. Experience today won’t do him any harm. Really hope we can keep oreilly.
31 Mar 2024 14:53:01
Decent performance today albiet poor opposition. Final ball needs to improve especially from johnston and maeda. Im really taking a liking to iwata. Has good awareness and times his tackles well. Definitely a player there.
Still a big fan of idah. Will only get better. I hope we sign him.
Kuhn did well again but for me other than the 3 points the biggest positive for me may be we seem to have avoided and injuries.
13 Feb 2024 09:22:13
I listened to my 1st B+B podcast last week on spotify over a couple of my lunch breaks at work. With the time difference here in Nz i can't do live.
Great listen. Keep it up lads.
{Ed007's Note - Thanks very much mate ?
07 Feb 2024 02:10:53
100% agreed buzz. For the sake of how bad things are let's hope there's in fighting because as you said we are in even more serious trouble if they're not.
07 Feb 2024 00:15:22
Totally understand that buzz but what i think they were getting at was the summer window was that bad desmond wasnt going to trust young lawwell with recruitment again. Another bad window and there might not be a net profit.
Like i mentioned chasa i doubt all that was mentioned is true but i think there is a good chance of a bust up behind the scenes of some sort, whether that be over recruitment/ funds etc, that would be anyones guess. But i do think recruitment is a very realistic one. Plus if desmond doesn't trust the current recruitment then its unlikely he will give them more money to plunder. One way or another its obvious something is up and we will find out about it sooner or later if people start getting sacked or walk.
09 Jan 2024 22:28:47
id prefer shankland but would be happy enough with miovski, id expect him to do a job in scotland but don't think he will keep kyogo out of the team. Good backup and should be able to bag 15 a season as a backup to kyogo.
28 Aug 2023 09:29:01
Well said mate, I wasn't a fan of Rodgers coming back but I'm all for giving hom a chance. he's only in the door, he's been sh*t on by the board in transfers and key players have been dung. Can'ly blame Rodgers for these. His formation etc undoubtedly needs to improve but give him time. We have no right to win every game and every trophy all the time otherwise we would all lose interest.
27 Apr 2024 00:55:16
I agree with you ed we need to be looking for better than the danish lad. Id pay the £6m quoted for idah and cash in on kyogo and replace kyogo with a player with a good goalscoring record. Kyogo struggles too much with rogers system.
2 players that interest me are
morgan whittaker from plymouth and mikautadze from ajax.
ED, just wondering have you seen enough from idah to interest you in a permanent move?
{Ed007's Note - From what I've seen of Idah I'd be happy if we signed for maybe £3/4 million. Obviously not as our No.1 striker but I'd have him in the mix.}
26 Apr 2024 01:05:04
God bless. RIP Richie.
15 Apr 2024 09:33:36
I think we need more than 3/ 4 quality signings after last summers disaster mate, especially if we finally want to compete on the continent.
Gk
Cb
Lb
Dm
Am
At least 1 winger
And a forward. (Id start with idah)
are all a must. And these must be able to walk straight into the starting 11.
If we win the league now itll be more down to them being so rubbish as to us being good, although we have improved massively in recent weeks.
14 Apr 2024 14:29:49
He needs shipped out on loan next season along with oh.
14 Apr 2024 14:28:48
Hes a good player smodicz and would score for us no doubt but at 29 i doubt we would fork out what blackburn want. His price tag is probably 10m+. there's no way wed pay that for someone at his age.