Celtic Banter Archive February 19 2016

19 Feb 2016 19:29:22
ED007 and fellow hoopies my team for tomorrow

Bailly

Lustig
Boyata
Sviatchenko
Tierney

Brown
Bitton

Roberts
Armstrong
Allen

Griffiths

Sub's

Gordon
Effe
Izzy
Christie
GMs
Ckr
Rogic

Just a thought what would you guys go with.

19 Feb 2016 19:54:32
Would have liked to see Bailly given a bit of a run to be fair. Was hoping that he wasn't just in for the cup game but can only assume at this stage that he just doesn't look the part in training.

19 Feb 2016 20:06:11
Again why Allen?

19 Feb 2016 20:16:34
Gordon
Lustig boyata sivechtko Tierney
Forrest brown Bitton johansen Roberts
Griffiths.

19 Feb 2016 20:21:48
I would'nt have allen anywhere near starting just now. So i would change him rogic. Also i don't think ronny will start young roberts anytime soon. Undeniable talent though.

{Ed007's Note - Roberts didn't play in the Development Squad's 1-0 win against Dundee Utd's D.S. earlier today and the murmur is he could be in the squad tomorrow.}

19 Feb 2016 20:30:16
This is one of my problems with Ronny - he picks players every week who don't deserve it! I don't know if he is scared to drop them, whether he wants to keep certain players onside, we all know little cliques develop, and new players etc gravitate towards certain groups, so who knows. What I do know is Gordon has been poor since he signed his new contract. The bits I've seen of Bailly have been impressive, he seems confident and has good experience. We definitely didn't need another Zaluska who was going to sit and be a happy backup for his whole career! This is the stuff that kills me - whether it's Park, Lawwell or Park signing the players, I think the 3 of them decide together, anyway we are wasting fortunes on players who won't improve us/ won't walk into the team! It's bizarre! We don't use the big squad, and the players he picks/ was picking don't deserve it, how Forrest is even on the bench is incredible, he hasn't had a 9 out of 10 for bloody years! For me Allan has never looked fit, going back to his D Utd days, he still looks overweight and unfit for me! Him and Commons wouldn't last a second under a top manager, especially in the modern game!

19 Feb 2016 21:06:47
Christie and rogic in place of roberts and allen.

19 Feb 2016 22:00:40
Wee1888 why not allen, let's see what the boy can do over course off 3-4 games. Like it or not, brown, johanson, gms, armstrong, forrest have all had a poor season so far, bittobs been off the boil past few games, so get these other guys in and let's see what we've got then make a judgement.

{Ed007's Note - What would you say if we went with Allan, Christie and Roberts in the team and drew tomorrow or even worse than that and we lost? Would that be a case of the players aren't up to the standards or would the it just be more ammunition for the RD out brigade?
One misplaced pass and Christie's CFC career could be over already with the way some supporters carry on these days, they don't have the patience to watch youngsters make mistakes and learn from it.}

19 Feb 2016 22:35:07
Thats the question Ed, what would you say if we went with the usual team tomorrow and drew or lost, or struggled to an undeserved win, how many bad team performances or bad individual performances does it take before something is changed to shake things up.

{Ed007's Note - I'm confident that we will beat ICT tomorrow. I'll leave whether it's a deserved win or not to the fickle people who decide such things and change their demands and opinion every week depending on what they can use to undermine the manager.
How many CFC games over the years have you seen that you would consider undeserved wins or is it just something CFC have been doing since summer 2014?}

19 Feb 2016 23:26:11
I think it's mental that anyone would have Allan over rogic.
For me Allan is well down the pecking order
I can't even understand why we signed him when we had rogic and henderson.

19 Feb 2016 23:38:58
yeah undeserved was probably the wrong word, comparing Rogic to Henderson, Henderson is a much more creative player, just can't see what all the hype concerning Rogic is about.

20 Feb 2016 09:49:14
My pony is Allen is a championship player and won't improve our starting 11, considering we have rogic it would be mental to replace him with allen.

20 Feb 2016 10:07:30
Ed007 Even if christie does misplace a few passes he will probably still have a better completion % than some in the mf!

{Ed007's Note - That's exactly the type of attitude to the players I'm talking about. Scott Brown et al are experienced pros who can handle the girning fans constant whining - why would any manager subject a young player to that? Young players make mistakes, there's a large section of our support that don't allow that though. To them every touch and past MUST be perfect or forums like this sees them crucified. Winning matches isn't enough for them.}

20 Feb 2016 13:15:16
Wee1888

Allan is a championship player? So on that logic Gravesen should have been a world beater after signing him from Real Madrid and Crosas the same after signing him from Barca as they both played for 2 of the biggest teams in one of the best leagues in the world. What about Blackett and Janko from Manchester United, another decent league?

I'm honestly not sure if Allan is any good or not but all this nonsense about the level we have signed him from isn't even an argument.

Dele Alli anyone? Stepped up 2 leagues and is showing his class. Under your logic he shouldn't be considered as he is a league 1 player. Ian Wright, Jamie Vardy who played non-league before playing for England.

20 Feb 2016 21:44:26
Well I was bored and cold for the first 45 minutes but I do like the look of Christie, Allen and Roberts and I reckon we should be giving them 3-4 games to see if they can do it. The ball is firmly in RD's court now as even he must have seen the positives when they played together.

20 Feb 2016 23:06:01
I'd take an undeserved win any day of the week. That's what champions do find a way to win when not at their best. Great character 2nd half shows the sheep we won't be bottling the title.

19 Feb 2016 16:02:37
Thought I'd put a wee topic up for a bit of discussion. With recent talks about European football being altered what's all your stances and views of going forward?

Personally I see the European league as the way to take football back to all football fans outwith the big leagues mega cash. I personally would like to see several European countries come together offer 2 top teams from each league to enter an elite European league.

At the same point all teams have to submit a team to the national league. With the European league being say Saturday football and the national league being a Sunday it would offer financial boosts to all nations.

The winner of the European league automatically holds there place in the league, whilst the rest of the teams need to ensure that their team wins nationally as well. If you win your national league you gain automatic entry. 2nd in the national league therefore has a play off with highest standing national side from european league.
(The lowest faces automatic relegation)

Would ensure a massive prize from each national league to compete and ensure that the likes of celtic and ajaxs of this world can compete again with the likes of chelsea and psgs. Plus I think the likes of Aberdeen, hearts and hibs would be given a shot with huge finances and able to compete for a place in the European league. It wouldn't be as one sided because trying to balance a squad between two teams would become difficult. I believe youth would have to play a vital part mainly in the national league.

So what's your thoughts on my crazy idea? Any others?

19 Feb 2016 18:01:55
Atlantic lge sounded great to me. could eventuly turn out to be euro lge 2nd division but don't care! . anything is better than wat we got now. plus being 2nd fiddle in europe is better than 25th which is wer scotland is now.

19 Feb 2016 18:26:11
I'd like to see teams/ leagues for likes of Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Norway, Sweden, Greece, even Austria and Croatia come together and put down discussions similar to something I've mention. The TV attractions would be higher than the likes of the bpl. Plus who needs to watch the likes of the boring lot whom are conspiering to destroy European football. They can take there money induced; inflated egos and play their repetitive seasons. I'd much rather watch 16 teams whom are champions standards compete a full season for status of champions of Europe based on the style of football not because they had mega millions because they play in a UEFA favoured league and finished 4th each season.

19 Feb 2016 18:36:31
European football back to fans that's ok if you have the money to travel.

19 Feb 2016 18:53:33
Gaurunted half the games the season at celtic park. I'm sure certain trips will be fairly cheap on low budget airlines. I'd imagine also the the games would be a sell out or close enough, plus TV coverage for games people can't make.

20 Feb 2016 13:43:46
There has been talk of an Atlantic League for a while and the more the gulf widens between the chosen few and the rest of us, the more likely it will happen.
Scandinavia, Benelux, Baltic States and smaller European/ Asian countries would also be interested and that would give it more muscle and credibility.
You just have to look at the EL to see how many decent teams could make up a very competitive tournament.
The main problem could be TV coverage and sufficient revenue to compete with SLY or BT who have other commitments and the games would have to be played, so as to not encroach on other fixtures etc.

19 Feb 2016 09:40:02
Surely after recent poor performances and all the fans not attending our games at home, tomorrow is the perfect opportunity for Celtic, Deila and the board to reignite our passion.
If the boy Roberts is as exciting as everyone says, then play him tomorrow, tell the fans in advance and maybe add a few thousand on to the gate.
I would even have young Christie and maybe Allan in the squad also, maybe on the bench.

19 Feb 2016 11:06:25
Tim we need to do something to get interest back. Unles X we play Christie, Roberts, Allen now then we are going to go into CL qualifiers with the same side by and large that have failed over the last 2 seasons. I don't know if Allen and Christie and Roberts will make the difference but we will never know unless we start giving them game time. We know there won't be anyone signed before CL qualifiers as that is the same every season so what have we git to lose?

19 Feb 2016 13:12:40
Too many of the 'regulars' have been below par or ineffective all season [especially the goalie] and they play every week regardless.
I agree it's important to at least try these players in competitive league games - and not just easy cup ties - to see if they can make an improvement on the performances and entertainment levels.
I agree that we still do not seem prepared for any level of European football at present and it won't just magically fall into place in July with most of the current under-performers.

19 Feb 2016 15:06:56
Said a couple of seasons ago that if we continue to operate the way we are, qualifying for the CL will only get harder and harder. Now we're at a point where we're pinning our hopes on the aforementioned players? Roberts, from what I've seen will actually improve the side. Allan? No. Christie, in a season or two I'd say yes. Reading Davie Hay commenting on Ajer. Although a promising project, just that. We need to sign furst team experienced players now, as well as develop such projects. Because such projects if successful tend not to stick around for too long.

19 Feb 2016 15:40:11
Jim if you think that we signed Carlton Cole after watching him for 6 weeks. Why did we bother? The entire recruitment method is total total madness. No matter what posters say Ronnie Delia has a big day in this process. He now has 22 midfielders, 3 strikers. The only proven striker being Griffiths. This buy sell policy is so wrong. We get an opportunity at CL football every year. What is the problem in spending more and buying players who can get us into CL group stage. We must be the only team in Europe guaranteed a shot at CL football every season. So what do we do. We buy crap players and then talk about the lack of money in our league. Well we are missing out on £20 mill a year due to the inability of PL and RD to work out the formula for success. It's a joke.

19 Feb 2016 16:05:08
100% agree there jonny. Our position is pretty unique with the position were in as you say. I just think of mid table teams in bigger leagues, would they dare touch Carlton Cole whilst claiming to be a CL club. Their Chief Exec would get laughed out of town.

19 Feb 2016 17:14:02
Would love to see us give it a go with Baily Janko, Jozo, Chenko, Tierney Roberts, Bitton, Rogic, Christie with LG up front- if 451 isn't gonnae change. Have said before that Brown's best days are behind him IMO. If we're looking to the future, that would be a good start for me, as has been said our first picks have been chronically rotten on bigger stage for a whlie. Letting this unit settle and adding to it in Summer would be a good option for me.

19 Feb 2016 20:36:24
Daviebhoy77

I like your confidence, but, I don't think we're good enough yet to only play with ten men lol

Might make it interesting though :)

19 Feb 2016 22:26:26
More than any other reason, that's probably why we need Broonie in there lol.

20 Feb 2016 09:45:26
Lol! Didnae clock that! Aye, Broonie for the 451 or CKR up front with Leigh (my predictive put that in as Leighton at first, don't think I coulda topped that! )

20 Feb 2016 21:48:03
Ach Leighton wisnae a bad goalie though.