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31 Dec 2017 14:08:01
Wanted to get back to transfer activity as the mad month approaches. Is there any transfers we know are likely coming our way. I have said I'd of liked a decent centre back, even better right back and a left winger to challenge or even out do Sinclair on the opposite wing. Saying that we've got one centre back coming in (unsure of the quality and Europa league cup tied) and news on a right back? How about musonda?

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1.) 31 Dec 2017 15:21:36
Don’t want Musonda if it’s a loan

Sign permanently or stay a prospect in the EPL reserves.


2.) 31 Dec 2017 19:37:14
Hate loans unless u can buy.


3.) 31 Dec 2017 21:19:59
I'd take a player on loan for 18 months if it's to benefit our chances in Europe. It's not always about making money on player but progressing as a team at a competitive level.


4.) 01 Jan 2018 01:47:54
A right back? Bring back adam matthews. Recently watching the team at throw ins has been brutal.


5.) 01 Jan 2018 10:22:36
PMCF I liked Matthews but I'm sure he scrutinized the club when he left. I think we could do better.


6.) 03 Jan 2018 03:24:57
We need to be more dangerous from set plays, but I don't think Adam mathews is the answer.


7.) 03 Jan 2018 23:16:12
If we hadn't played 10 games more than any other team in SPL . We would have 30 full days to train and practice set pieces . I am sure that would make us more dangerous from them.


 

 

 

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03 Feb 2019 08:54:54
2nd point to add is the transfer policy. I am wondering if Peter lawell has adjusted our policy to meet the demands of current football climate. Let now be honest we can't afford the like of oli Burke, Tim weah, benko, Roberts. If we were to buy one of these guys that would be our whole transfer window gone. I wonder if the new approach will be bring loans in 12-24 months (players of decent quality valued >10million) develop these players but use them to project our club to a competitive level. This way we don't pay high transfer fees, just contracts. Obviously outwith this we can buy the odd deal, or potential if available. If this is the new policy I would accept it so long as the football ambitions are being met. What's your thoughts?

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1.) 03 Feb 2019 09:17:42
I’d be more than happy with your thinking provided the loans were 18 months. Having wee Roberts for the time we did felt like a proper signing. Seeing the likes of Burke, Weah for 6 months is just a taster for me, by the time these boys are really settled in and we’re seeing the absolute best of them it’s time for them to go back to the parent club.


2.) 03 Feb 2019 09:30:24
I agree Garry, these transfers have been a bit frustrating but again if it gets us over the line and a bit more progress in Europe I'd accept it. I just hope that we have started negotiations already for summer targets, even if it's going to be loans to get us through the CL qualifiers. It attracts better quality players, brings money to sustain the club and keeps Celtic a household name in football.


3.) 03 Feb 2019 10:04:16
Yip totally agree 4leafclover, I've said all along on here that trying to attract the quality we need to take us to the next level is very difficult due to the league we play in. Your right we may get lucky in that a quality loan signing decides they want to play for us permanently. Our record in developing young players is a major attraction for the so called bigger clubs to allow us to take their players on loan. The club will always have to adapt to the ever changing football climate. I think we will have a good chane if we wanted to sign Burke and Roberts this summer. The way Weah has settled and the start he has made I would be surprised if his loan deal wasn't extended another 12 months. PSG must be delighted with his progress already👍.


4.) 03 Feb 2019 10:04:39
Tbh I think this a backwards step for Celtic. To me it's says that you will only sign "squad" players and the "quality" signings will be made up of loan signings. Similarly to Rangers, if you can't arrange long term deals then you will have to rebuild every year. Trying to qualify for the CL with a new team each year will very difficult.


5.) 03 Feb 2019 10:16:45
I think these short term loans have been brought in to safeguard the league. Although I expect us to win it comfortably the challenge has been closer this year.


6.) 03 Feb 2019 11:00:45
We looked at Benko and another cb from croatia whose name escapes me
For now at the same time as simonovic . simunovic was the cheapest . Benko if I remember was only 500k more.


7.) 03 Feb 2019 11:02:34
I agree zikos on the short term deals but if we can bring in 3-5 loans in (or on loan) each season for 1-2 years it would effectively be like buying the player but selling them off. If we qualify FOR the CL we have lost no money on transfers just wages and made more than enough through the transfer funds. If we could have highly rated players or potentially highly related players it might give us that edge to be a force in Europe. We're never going to with the CL. If we get close to the semis of the EL fantastic what a statement that would send. I genuinely think that this business model might be the way we combat the top 6 rich leagues. Don't you agree? Remember it's never been about the money it's what on the park that matters.


8.) 03 Feb 2019 14:52:28
I think weah will be here next season. Also Burke if west Brom go up. Can't get game in championship never getting game in premiership.


9.) 03 Feb 2019 14:46:20
I don't think this is our new strategy.

With regards weah and Burke they have been brought in to cover Griffith's and arzani. Hence 6 months contract.

The right back situation is different. The loan was not our top priority and was only done because we could not get our top targets on permanent transfers. My guess is we will try again for a permanent move in the summer.

However, saying all that I'm sure lawwell would have been happy at our outlay lol.


10.) 03 Feb 2019 16:20:43
4leafclover, I agree that this could be a good model for a lot of clubs. However I think a club the size of Celtic will suffer in the long run. They will eventually have less valuable assets as they belong to other clubs and will find it more difficult to qualify for the CL because of the constant rebuilding, impacting on revenue.


 

 

03 Feb 2019 08:50:41
2 things to mention. Refereeing and transfer policy. The quality of the referees in Scotland has been a disgrace for years but frankly this year it has been appalling and downright embarrassing. Outwith yesterday's decision the first penalty is given and not given player going away from goal. The handballnat quick speed is an easy decision to get wrong, not for a linesman and certainly if we get the VAR in. I think it's time the SFA got these guys on full time deals. Referees declaring their own allegiance (therefore can't manage those games) and VAR (in which a manager or captain can call 3 reviews in game time.

4leafclover

1.) 03 Feb 2019 09:18:11
The 'allegiance' thing would be a mockery, with various claims of dyed-in-the-wool supporters of Clyde, Partick or East Stirling lol.
Yesterday was not only a swipe at Celtic's dominance, it was also a slap in the face for Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and Hearts who are doing their best to challenge - without any biased cheating assistance.
It is also an obvious ploy to tamper with goal-difference which can be crucial in European places.


2.) 03 Feb 2019 09:32:59
Best way to deal with that OAB. If ever found to have allegiance else where photos in colours, attending these games in what ever end they support. If friends, family or acquaintances come forward to hold as much integrity as possible then if your found to be lying its a complete loss of refereeing license. That would put an end to it.


3.) 03 Feb 2019 09:58:30
OAB
You are quite right and I have been saying this for a while.
However, until Aberdeen, Hibs and all the other football association members. step up and support us then we will continue to be seen as paranoid complainers.
I would love to see VAR brought in but I would also like the ref to have a mike so he can explain his decisions and why he has/ has not agreed with a call.
VAR should also be up on the large screen so the supporters can see what HE sees.
The technology is available however, open and honest process is not part of the SFA/ SFPL remit.


4.) 03 Feb 2019 09:59:02
Only way to deal with it is to get refs from another country.


5.) 03 Feb 2019 10:12:08
I wouldn't give any of them a contract, never mind a full time contract. Being full time is not going to stop their bias or make them better.


6.) 03 Feb 2019 10:22:07
The reality is with those changes there would be incidents against us that we may have got a way with but won't any more. But at least we'd have consistency and transparency across our game. There been many decisions that have cost people financially (some not like timalloys bets on pens and cards) , cost league titles, cups in Scottish football and its time in this day and age its now removed and resolved.


7.) 03 Feb 2019 10:05:07
Ed007, I've just watched the film Anyone But Celtic by Paul Larkin. Interesting. What's your own take on the film? HH.

{Ed007's Note - It's interesting.}


8.) 03 Feb 2019 14:48:49
All you tic supporters talking about the gers penalties yesterday. did any of you see the gers v cowdenbeath game and see the pen decisions that went against the gers.2 stonewallers for gers not given and beaths well out the box . but i take it the refs biased didn't count in that game.


 

 

08 Jan 2019 12:56:35
Happy new year Bhoys and Ghirls. Been reading over the last few weeks, and watching all the media and "not so" social media comments. So verdict on the "old firm" we were due at some point a loss, maybe an eye opener? However, again I can accept them playing there best us playing poorly and a few dubious referee decisions and only a 1-0 loss. I know they had a few chances but the point is they couldn't take them. It says a lot that that's the best they are going to do.

On another note transfers, I like most Celtic fans agree we need a new RB for CL qualifiers and we would ideally have another CB brought in before then. I think the two loans are fantastic players two very highly regarded young prospects, pacey, skillfull and creating players. It might give us another option to mix a top 4 of: Burke, Forrest, Sinclair, Rogic, Christie, Edouard, Johnstone, Weah, Bayo (*) and Griffiths (when returns) . I think the fire power has got stronger. Weah, Burke can push Sinclair and Edouard could be considered either out left or behind Bayo. It is clear that we have strengthened as an attacking force. Now just to tidy up the defence. My only concern is the 6 month loans, these players aren't bedded for the CL qualifiers and you do have to wonder is BR moving on? or is this just plugging the hole?

Can anyone elighten me to the media hype across the city. They are now "favourites to win the league". They've signed Davis, who Armstrong has replaced, he wasn't even a consistant first team player for us last year. His legs are gone whilst we bring in young, vibrant pace and skill. Secondaly the hype of Defoe, a 36 year old has been. Scoring record has been poor for last few years but he has been telling tales of what makes a prolific goalscorer. Even more how degrading to the Scottish game he and they think he is going to be the superstar. This isn't Ibrahimovic, Rooney or C. Ronaldo - all over the age of 30 - its Defoe who has won a GRAND 1 TROPHY throughout his entire career. let's get real they have a better player in Morelos. Unless there is a more youthful and better quality of player brought in this league title will be back at Paradise at the start of April.

Hail Hail.

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08 Nov 2018 22:31:09
Fantastic result tonight. Outstanding performance as a team. Couple individuals I thought were solid. I expected a win tonight as were hitting form, celtic Park buzzing and the result was a must.

Just glad the bhoys delivered, my only negative is I felt Lustig is still going to be the weak link in the chain. Jumping for headers missing the ball, not clearing the ball far away enough and lacking that pace when any winger comes near him. But collectively as a team we dealt with those problems. I'd hope we beat Rosenborg next and the final result will likely come down to the final game at celtic Park. On our day we can compete with teams at this level. Anyway celebrations the night. Wonder if the media will hype our results the way they've had the zombies for the last few weeks. Hail hail.

4leafclover

1.) 08 Nov 2018 22:52:30
He’s still the best right back we have.


2.) 08 Nov 2018 23:51:53
Totally agree 4leaf, love lustig but father time is catching him, gets caught out of position too much these days.


 

 

15 Aug 2018 10:37:20
That was a sore one last night. Maybe a wake up call. We all acknowledge the champions league setup is a shambles it's all about the top 4 leagues making more money. But avoiding excuses we should of beat that mob last night. That was a disgraceful attempt. I think tactically we were slow at adjusting. Sinclair on 10 minutes earlier with moussa and it might have been a different story. My concern was how come the team could defend in the last 20 minutes but struggled for the first 70. Does it only matter when we have 20 mins left. I think a different approach might of been a better answer.

Now down to players. Centre backs Simonovic isn't good enough, hendry, I'd give a season in and out of the team gage his development. I agree he lacks ATM but he has the tool to be good just lacks experience. Right back I don't know if lustig could move into centre back but as a right back he's done. He offers nothing. Absolutely nothing if anything he's just a body on a pitch. That is it. Tierney is outstanding but I'm now concerned his pressing is causing more issues than good. Our best defender is up the park leaving the other 3 clowns at the back.

4leafclover

1.) 15 Aug 2018 11:18:47
4leaf as I said before I love Lustig he’s got the Celtic big and he’s been a good servant but last night your bang on, he was just a body in the park. I thought put Gambia on and push Lustig to ch, but does he have it to be winnin the first ball against big battering Rams, getting to balls in behind, I’m not sure. SPL level no issue Europe not good enough.

Good point about Tierney but if you look at where the goals came from both Lustigs side and at home Lustigs side. Tierney very rarely gets caught up the park and his work rate attacking and defending is unbelievable. However now you’ve said it I will be keeping a close eye on it and report back to Brendan 😂.


2.) 15 Aug 2018 11:26:07
I don’t know what age you are 4leaf, but we have had wake up calls all of my life as a supporter. The problem is we never take the call. It’s on silent. We just say keep the faith, it will be ok. We never do anything to really make it ok, we just pray that it will be.

This year has been the worst ever. In the past we could use the no money moan. Not now. A total dereliction if duty and the man responsible for forgetting players cost needs to step down. And he can take his disco lights with him.


3.) 15 Aug 2018 13:33:39
I agree magicpole, our team has got worse and worse over the last two decades. Rodgers came in and it looked as though we may be taking a different approach and for the first two seasons it's seemed well. Yes the champions league qualifiers have always been tough but I felt Rodgers was supported enough to get us through them. However, this summer it has been more along the lines of get on with the job and once your through we may talk transfers. This is regressive attitude. You strengthen when your in power to strengthen. Had we another centre back another right back and explosive midfielder (even if it was a bench player to change a game) we would have made it through. The gamble, I recon would of cost the club £17 million for the quality required of 3 decent players plus the £9 million for Edouard. That is a large net spend of £26 million on transfers. The champions league group stage automatically nets you around £40million. The last two season the £30 million prize. The renewal of sponsorship, the sale of top players. The season ticket sales and merchandise. Celtic parks hosting events. The money is there.

That gamble on those player a could of been what pushed us that extra distance. And Scottish football would benefit as it would be the next jump for them financially as well. But for some reason the money men don't find it worth the gamble and we've got a team which I honestly don't think is any better than Strachan and Lennon's early team at the moment.


 

 

 

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31 Aug 2018 11:51:55
I think the issue seems to lie above Rodgers tbh. Careful who you call the leaders? Does that not sound like he's saying Brendan's meant to be the boss but he ain't pulling the strings?

Now reading between the lines could an element of him playing have been dictated to by the board. Same with boyara he's fit Rodgers let's us know. Then Boyata says he not fit, ensuring he's not cup tied adding to his value. No doubt both players want away but board room level will want top money and dictate the management of this situation.

To be fair I'd make sure we never accept anything less than £20million for dembele. I'm sure Memphis depay went from? psv for £25 million to Man U and never hit heights. Mbappe >£100 million. Demebelle was in a provisional squad to the world champions during the summer. We're not asking for the same value as Mbappe just to pay a reasonable amount for a player of demebelles quality.

If that does come in with a sign on fee is hope at least £10million was splashed today on another striker.

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16 Aug 2018 09:34:12
Jonbhoy to say 17 players for £25 million is showing you the type of players were having to look for that's under £2 million per player on average. Take away edouards 9 million and it's less than £1 million per player.

I take it your getting the quote from commons in the paper I believe it's actually closer to £22 million in total. We ain't paying for quality just quantity most of the time.

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05 Jul 2018 20:51:11
Sorry for the late reply. If KT doesn't want to go that's fine he doesn't go. I'd rather have KT who wants to play for Celtic than 4 £10 million players who use us as a stepping stone. When you play your heart out for the club the fans know your giving it your all. That's all we can ask.

But in theory if he went for £40 million I'd wish the board invest but probably unlikely to happen.

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05 Jul 2018 12:31:36
I'd accept £40 million it's a crazy number even for KT, but football is a crazy money down south. If someone came in with that kind of offer it's to good to knock back. If that was invested and the club offered a further £10-15 million transfer fees your looking at taking the club to the next level. But a it's and buts. £25million I'd knock back atm.

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{Ed007's Note - And if KT doesn't want to move do you think the Club should force him out the door?}


 

 

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18 Feb 2018 18:48:51
Ridiculous statement, everyone's happy with Thursday then after a recovery half fielded (not even reserve now everyone's injured) team and a 0-0 and you can't see how we'll win the league. How about we see how we get on in Thursday let that result deal with itself recover then, field a strong team and smash the rest of them?

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20 Feb 2019 18:34:53
I would go for Burke up front with edouard just off him. Use sinclair and forrest out wide. And mcgregor and brown holding the midfield. The attacking side of the game we have pace, strength and individual ability to get goals.

The game won't be won on attacking alone if we are to naive they will open up our defense. This is were we need to be our strongest. Two goals is possible buy not conceding is the challenge.

I'd love for us to go through but even to put ourselves back in the tie with a bit of pride I'd be happy with.

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03 Feb 2019 11:02:34
I agree zikos on the short term deals but if we can bring in 3-5 loans in (or on loan) each season for 1-2 years it would effectively be like buying the player but selling them off. If we qualify FOR the CL we have lost no money on transfers just wages and made more than enough through the transfer funds. If we could have highly rated players or potentially highly related players it might give us that edge to be a force in Europe. We're never going to with the CL. If we get close to the semis of the EL fantastic what a statement that would send. I genuinely think that this business model might be the way we combat the top 6 rich leagues. Don't you agree? Remember it's never been about the money it's what on the park that matters.

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03 Feb 2019 10:22:07
The reality is with those changes there would be incidents against us that we may have got a way with but won't any more. But at least we'd have consistency and transparency across our game. There been many decisions that have cost people financially (some not like timalloys bets on pens and cards) , cost league titles, cups in Scottish football and its time in this day and age its now removed and resolved.

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03 Feb 2019 09:32:59
Best way to deal with that OAB. If ever found to have allegiance else where photos in colours, attending these games in what ever end they support. If friends, family or acquaintances come forward to hold as much integrity as possible then if your found to be lying its a complete loss of refereeing license. That would put an end to it.

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03 Feb 2019 09:30:24
I agree Garry, these transfers have been a bit frustrating but again if it gets us over the line and a bit more progress in Europe I'd accept it. I just hope that we have started negotiations already for summer targets, even if it's going to be loans to get us through the CL qualifiers. It attracts better quality players, brings money to sustain the club and keeps Celtic a household name in football.

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