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17 Jan 2018 18:33:07
Some supporters on social media are driving me to despair. Bunch of greetin' faced panic merchants! Am I missing something here? Is there not still 2 weeks left of the window? Plenty of time left to do business now that the team are back from Dubai. Also the folk moaning about how Rangers are skint so how can they strengthen but we can't? 1) They need to sign more players because they're chasing us, not the other way about. 2) We've spent more on 2 signings than they have on their 5.

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17 Jan 2018 19:12:26
Spot on Kev. We're trying to improve a team and they're trying to polish a turd. ☘️.

17 Jan 2018 20:15:38
We can afford to add quality not quantity, albeit I think their signings have been pretty good I still don’t think they’ll be a threat to us. We have the superior squad and we should compliment that when and where possible, not bulk buy or loan half a team. I get folk wanting signings but it bugs me how folk talk about the board and our transfers as if they actually have a clue what’s going on.

17 Jan 2018 20:30:49
We have a good unit and will add quality not panic buys.

17 Jan 2018 20:48:26
Thats a cracker JFP 😂😂😂.

17 Jan 2018 20:51:02
Its a generational thing Kev, instant gratification with everything these days. No one has any patience at all, need to realise its not a computer game, can't just click to another page, buy, then put straight into a team. Sometimes i yearn for the days when you only found out Celtic signed someone when you got up and looked at a paper.

17 Jan 2018 21:19:41
A wish they would do away with transfer windows, it's a pile of pish designed to get clubs spending money for the sake of it.

18 Jan 2018 16:19:16
Im glad there's transfer windows steph, i couldn't handle the mince that gets spouted all year round.

18 Jan 2018 20:49:22
It wouldn't be half as bad as this. Teams need to bulk buy instead of buying what they need as they need it. It's like people that buy 3 loaves and 8 pints of milk on Christmas Eve in Asda, it's only shut for 1 day but u see the old dears fighting over a big 2 litre jug of milk n yer thinking to urself i doubt you'll get to see that empty hen.

17 Jan 2018 17:51:28
Best wishes to Liam Henderson who has joined Bari. Loved watching this lad and although gutted he has left us he had to leave to progress and play football regularly. I hope he has a successful time out there and in the future he will make his way back to Paradise. HH.

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17 Jan 2018 18:22:13
When I first saw him under NL's reign I was very impressed and thought he was going to have a bright future at Celtic.
No often right but wrang again ha ha. Good luck Liam.

17 Jan 2018 18:45:21
Best of luck Liam
Hail hail.

17 Jan 2018 17:42:30
Still not convinced that we will come out of this transfer window any stronger and if we are to believe reports signing a 32 year old Croatian defender doesn't cut it for me.

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17 Jan 2018 17:47:55
Supposedly Compper is it for a month.

17 Jan 2018 17:49:53
He's an international that has played regularly in a CL team that made the next round this year.

17 Jan 2018 18:11:00
Apparently Celtic have rubbished reports of the boy Tosic.

17 Jan 2018 18:24:02
A few people have said there will be movement nearer the deadline day so just need to wait.

Musunda (sic) I would take, Tosic yes. Caulker if that’s still an option could provide some experience at the back and has played at good levels. Grujic from Liverpool seems like yet more lazy journalism, the MSM will eventuallly get the right player that Rodgers used to manage 🙄

Taking players from the top 6-10 teams in England who are not getting a look in served us well with Sutton and the likes.

{Ed001's Note - Grujic has joined Cardiff City for the rest of the season.}

17 Jan 2018 17:18:32
Just a wee post on Ronaldinho's retirement. Sad to see the greatest entertainer I ever had the pleasure to witness with my own eye leave the game. Still talk about the nights he came and lit up celtic park. Played the game for fun never had that goofy smile off his face as it was pure joy to be playing the game we all love for him each time he had the ball at his feet. Says it all for the talent and person when he got that standing ovation at the bernabeu against madrid when he destroyed them on his own.

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17 Jan 2018 17:50:58
Agree 100%. loved the game, even played for free!

17 Jan 2018 18:20:59
one of the funniest things i heard was at the nou camp when we drew 1-1.ronaldinho goes through on goal and guy behind me shouts "offside. his teeth are offside"

17 Jan 2018 19:03:46

17 Jan 2018 19:07:32
Nobody will be wishing that wee fud Naymar well when his playing days are over! Ignorant, arrogant twat ae ah boay! He'll retire a multi-millionaire and an absolute fud! PS: Lustig let himself down he should have whacked the heid on him and just took the lifetime ban!

17 Jan 2018 19:47:33
Neymar is probable the nearest to him in terms of natural skill ability but as u said he's a wee pie and will never be held to the high regards that the buck tooth wonder is.

17 Jan 2018 17:15:14
Ed have you heard anything on the Jack Rodwell front? Free transfer he's worth taking a punt on surly.

{Ed007's Note - I wouldn't take him on a free, he's garbage and thankfully we have no interest in him.}

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17 Jan 2018 17:31:57
Wouldn’t touch Rodwell with a barge pole! Brown Ntcham Armstrong far better than Rodwell! And I heard he’s on 70 grand a week! Staggering honestly!

17 Jan 2018 14:46:47
The following multi agency press release has just been released.

BBC Scotland, Radio Clyde, Evening Times, Daily Record and Scottish Sun, would like to give advice to talented Scottish players and their Scottish clubs when any bids come in from Celtic and Rangers.

Firstly we applaud Neil McCann the Dundee manager in his reasons for setting a minimum £1.5million on the young player Hendry, where Celtic are concerned, they have oodles of cash and every last penny should be squeezed out of them.
On the other hand any Scottish club receiving a bid about any of their players from Rangers, should consider, for the good of the game here in Scotland, and lower their asking price. Clubs such as Kilmarnock and Hamilton should be eternally grateful that Glasgow Rangers are even thinking of bidding for their players. We implore both clubs, and any other club, to immediately lower their expectations of a fee, to further make these promising players dream come true to play at Ibrox stadium.

This statement will be repeated hourly until all the clubs see sense.

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17 Jan 2018 14:55:37
I have just read Ian McCalls statement regarding Sevcos bid for a Kilmarnock player. Who is he to tell other clubs what their players are worth. Zombie idiot.

17 Jan 2018 16:12:16
snif sniff sniff - Timalloy, I smell shoite. definaitely shoite lol.

17 Jan 2018 19:49:00
Mon tiny he's got the joke book out again. Here your wee funny story on the celtic posts page is a belter, if anyone hasn't seen it its worth a read.

17 Jan 2018 08:25:13
Great news about the conspiracy theory site ED, i would advise all posters to have a look, given the masonic based posts. full of really well informed and clever people (like me n ED! ) its a cracking start to life as a truther.

As a starter check churhills REAL history given the fawning shi7 we are being spoon fed at he moment.

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17 Jan 2018 11:45:38
I Read with interest, that you mentioned, Churchills real history, are there any books that you recomend, on this subject.

17 Jan 2018 13:51:37
Theres a few mate. The greatest briton unmasked is supposed to be on the money, although i have not read it. Youtube is the best lots of brilliant work done by academics and military historians. Suffice to say you may well be surprised.

17 Jan 2018 14:21:19
Have to say i've been enjoying reading these kind of threads over the last couple of days. It seems more and more folk are becoming aware of what's going on in the world, no longer dismissing it all as "mad conspiracy theories". The people we vote for aren't the ones with the power.

17 Jan 2018 15:42:32
U should watch the video on 5G on that page, it's scary stuff they have planned for us.

17 Jan 2018 17:02:59
What's going on in Antartica 🤔.

17 Jan 2018 18:16:55
The 5G stuff is going to be here soon. I work in telecoms and the investment in Scotland alone with one client is c. £35m to get broadband out to all locations.

In Ireland there are projects coming that are in the billions.

Worrying times. Then you read about the black pope etc.

Looks like a lot of previously described mad men may not be as mad as you think.

17 Jan 2018 18:13:08
That 5g roll out program is scarry stuff! It's happening and nobody can stop it. A real life matrix system for real.

Daily News Round Up

17 Jan 2018 04:48:01
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Daily News Round Up

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17 Jan 2018 07:13:40
That article said he never lived up to the promise he once showed? Has there ever been a player with faster feet?! He mibi didn’t perform at the top level on the pitch for as many years as he should have but he’s one of the greatest players ever.

{Ed001's Note - so you are agreeing but still want to argue about it? He should be in the argument for the greatest player of all time but he isn't because he never lived up to his promise. Having fast feet is not the be all and end all or Raheem Sterling would be a living legend.}

17 Jan 2018 07:22:12
I agree that he didn’t do it at the highest level for long enough but he was sensational when he did but in many ways he’s lucky he never came up against as ancomplished defender as James Tavernier.

{Ed001's Note - good point. I wonder if it was seeing Alan Hutton play at his 'peak' that made him turn to the partying lifestyle? Probably realised there was no point in training hard as he would never be able to beat the Scottish Cafu.....}

17 Jan 2018 17:26:18
Enjoyed watching Ronaldhino more than anyone else I've seen. What a player. Never forget one mad goal against Chelsea. He could do things with the ball I couldn't even imagine.

17 Jan 2018 18:19:54
For me he was the inventor of the freestyle which Neymar is most like in this generation. Ronaldo closely behind, both great players but lack the humility and joy that Ronaldinho has or had when playing.

Would have a in form Ronaldinho ahead of any current player.

17 Jan 2018 00:48:59

Just as I made a decision twenty years and more ago to read no more sport pages of Scottish newspapers and to avoid Scottish media outlets because of their bias anti Celtic reporting . I have now, regretfully have had to do the same with your posts.
I won't be reading any of your posts as I read posts on forums like this to feel good about my club, I read them for enjoyment, unfortunately the constant negatively of your posts were having a continuous depressing effect on me . I use Celtic to keep me happy in my older years.

{Ed0333's Note - I use my girlfriends shoe collection to keep me happy in my older years Chris.

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17 Jan 2018 11:42:39
Glad to hear it. I will be difficult to get by without your medical and family rearing advice, but I'll cope. Making a decision to stop reading stuff shows me at least a clear sign of a victim syndrome. Maybe you should go get it checked out.

If not felt with you live in a wee bubble of your own creation, that filters out reality and has the debilitating side effect of a compulsion to clap furiously at all times.

I do though hope you continue to be happy.

17 Jan 2018 10:30:11
Wait til you find her knicker drawer, your in for a treat lol.

17 Jan 2018 13:27:04
MP I have slagged off Chris views on here many times (tongue in cheek ofcourse) but he has a valid point here, I have yet to read a POSITIVE post from you about Celtic doesn't that strike u as strange!

17 Jan 2018 14:37:07
There's never a day when I agree with all the posts on here OMC but that's the way it should be as it generates debate and comment.
Like me, you are a long time contributor Chris and probably also like me you are in your 60's? and see things differently from younger posters and I think you should stick around and share your opinions.
Us auld yins have to keep active somehow.

17 Jan 2018 16:18:15
Exactly OAB - We remember the bad, the good, the cheated and the good years for this great club.

18 Jan 2018 13:29:25
I have said repeatedly that I believe the board will act this window, moving us forward to the next level. As the days go on I must admit that the old fears of not acting when ahead are lurking. I still think we will though.

I believe that self criticism is essential in everyday life as well as our team. The tendency to see the world and our team as we hope it is, rather than how it actually is, is always a bad strategy.

I have criticised the defence, the keeper, the failure to get in players in the summer. I stand by all of that. I have criticised the board for waiting on acting when there is no choice rather than from a position of strength. I stand by that and that is backed up with decades of missing a trick. I stand by that too.

I have belief in Rogers, I want him to increase his reputation by making us better in Europe. I think we all know the first step in that process is being better defensively. If we improve in Europe we will lrun a savvy at home. I am concerned the ability to ensure CL qualification and the cash, so vital to us, will be compromised if we don't address the areas we are vulnerable. To increase the gap with Rangers is dependent upon our ability to achieve that.

I have criticised players who I feel are either not good enough, or haven't fulfilled their potential. I don't believe in sentimentality when it comes to playing for us. you're either good enough or you aint. I want all the players to fulfil their potential and shine. When that doesn't happen its not my fault. I want to be able to say we have a raft of great young players coming through, I can't, because we have said that every year for years and only three had made the first team regular status in over ten years. Agian this not my fault. Pointing it out is not negative, ignoring it is.

I have said we are not firing this yer so far. Who would disagree with that? There have been certain performances I felt we had been outstanding, but not enough.
I absolutely believe we will find our form, but feel we need to address areas that continually undo us. that's not negative, this a fact.

Some people cannot bear any criticism of the team. I get that. But, when were fighting together rid of the old cabal board there were people who opposssed that as they saw it as an attack on Celtic. It saved Celtic.

All of my criticisms would be removed with a genuine attempt to invest in the areas requiring it. I will repeat, I absolutely believe we wild this during this window. Rogers is too good a manager not t realise hat his team needs. I believe the board will be focusing on how to ensure we keep the CL qualification and pot of gold. They now investment is required to achieve that.

All I ever for want for our club is to have a go. Not to hesitate and hope. I have seen that too often and it always ends in a decline. We are in a position do kill off any threat from Rangers for a decade never mind 10. I think everyone at Celtic has to address that. The fans are turning ut, season tickets are on a waiting lit, CL package sell out. We buy the merchandise. Im only asking Lwell to live up to the statement he made.

"Every penny generated by us is used to strengthen the team".

Lets start this window and send all who hate us down to their local health centre for a valium prescription, repeat of course.

Winter is coming for them. let's deliver it.

Hail Hail.

16 Jan 2018 18:42:19
I think we're all getting a wee bit excited here with regard to fear over lack of signings although mild disappointment I do share. The game against them we were total and utter pish almost to a man. They gave it absolutely everything in their locker and still didn't win. A tired boxer up against an upstart who gave a relatively good account of themselves on the day but still failed to land a punch. A wee seat in the corner during the break we'll be back refreshed and when the fight recommences their arse will be back on the canvass. That's before we discuss the financial basket case that they are. PS: anybody who doesn't think the how auld is yir granny brigade don't weild power in the highest circles in Scotland obviously don't get their knuckles crunched as often as I do.

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16 Jan 2018 19:11:22
It's embarrassing reading some of the posts on here concerning the tribute act. Could someone explain to me how signing a bloke that's played at Scottish championship level then flopped in English championship, an ex Motherwell player who can't get near the Brighton first team and a player who is possibly one of the worst players i've seen in a Scotland jersey close the gulf that currently exists between us and them?

16 Jan 2018 19:11:56
The Masonic grip is rife in Scotland and will continue for many years to come it’s how a lot of contracts are “won” jobs decided and a country is run. Anyone naive enough not to think it’s rife and very influential in Scotland and even within our own club needs there eyes opened.

16 Jan 2018 21:08:18
It's not just Scotland it's worldwide. I think there's only ever been 1 or 2 American presidents that weren't freemasons.

16 Jan 2018 22:39:25
The American dollar bill is full of Masonic imagery the all seeing eye thd S for for Solomon's temple and the the 2 pillars of Solomans temple. Washington is built on a map of Masonic triangles and is the (quote) the Masons Rome.

{Ed007's Note - Not all Masonic lodges are the sectarian cesspits we know in Scotland although the higher echelons are far more sinister in their aims. Ed033's your man to talk to about that stuff, JFP. We have a page for conspiracy theories that we had to shut down after it was over ran with racist idiots during the Brexit referendum but it's been quiet since we opened it again


16 Jan 2018 23:37:07
i have it on good authority that lawwell and desmond are masons too.

17 Jan 2018 00:13:17
I have it on good authority that neither Mr Desmond or Mr Lawwell are masons.

Stepbhoy, I don't know about their Masonic Presidents but I do know that the only Catholic President was shot .

17 Jan 2018 00:19:21
I think many of you have been watching too much bilge on the internet about masonic conspiracies and the Illuminati.

{Ed007's Note - I started reading about the Masons and the Illuminati before there was an internet. Back in the old days we had books and most of the information on the internet has stemmed from those books. There's definitely and obviously a higher power than governments running the world and it's a lot more sinister than dodgy penalties in a Glasgow Derby.
Do you not believe that the Rothschild's run world banking system and have funded both sides in numerous wars going back centuries? Have you read about the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commision, the founding of the US Reserve and what the City of London Corporation is? Have you never heard of the Black Pope, he's got power the Masons could only dream of.}

17 Jan 2018 04:13:45
RAW it’s a rife and in your face as can possibly be I have on countless occasions had someone try the funny handshake on me to test water on jobs or going for jobs and I know for a fact that people have been awarded jobs and contracts for being in it. The amount of goat molesters in high positions is unreal couldn’t comment on Lawwell but I wouldn’t be surprised our head of security got his job because he’s high up in it and the top guy in the Strathclyde police at the time was just under him in the lodge at that time and took him to meet Fergus and told him this man ( who hated Football and Celtic) should be your new head of security and is still there causing havoc today.

17 Jan 2018 07:26:53
Just because something is written in a book does not make it true. The bible being a good example if this.

Yes I have heard of most of the things you mentioned.

By the way I am not adverse to a conspiracy theory but I always remain sceptical until I see hard evidence.

{Ed007's Note - Well if the written and spoken word of people involved and of people who have spent years studying these organisations isn't hard evidence I don't know what is. Or do you, like most people, ask for evidence but if it doesn't suit what you already think or believe you just dismiss it?}

17 Jan 2018 13:13:52
Tbh after reading so much information from so many different sources you would be shocked to think people don't believe in it.

I mean, groups of internationals coming together to conspire their own agendas for power and money! how shocking. They may be evil but they are merely winning the game created.

Anyway as for Masons, not sure where it exactly came about but imo it has links with old Knights Templar. Once Knights Templar got outlawed in many places many of them fled to Scotland and helped with war of Independence and in return got land and protection.

It was one of the only places they would get support at the time. Robert the Bruce once he died wanted his heart to go to the "holy land" but the St. Clairs delivering it got caught in a battle in Malaga and the heart was returned.

Anyway then you have the Scottish rite of freemasonry which is still the same one that runs U. S. A etc.

with all the Egyptian and Jewish symbolism though you know it's not just about Scotland though and that's when you realise it's much older than you would think.

A pyramid scheme of knowledge. Masons at lower level may get things like jobs, business contracts etc but the higher agendas won't even be known by the lowest.

17 Jan 2018 19:06:12
@Ed - If you post the evidence you have then I will gladly read it and discuss it with you.

@Tesla - No one knows where Freemasonry originated, all though there is a good chance it happened in Scotland.

The oldest known masonic document in Scotland is the Schaw Statute, which dates back to 1598. There is a second Schaw Statute, which dates back to 1599. In this document it mentions three lodges which where Kilwinning, Edinburgh and Stirling. I should point out that freemasonry at this time was very different as it was more of a guild of actual stone masons who were responsible for building chapels, castles, stately homes, etc.

The Lodge in Edinburgh, called Mary's Chapel No1 has the oldest preserved minutes. Due to a fire, Mother Kilwinning No0 has no records dating back this far but it is still considered one of the oldest lodges in Scotland on account of it being mentioned in the Schaw Statutes. I am not entirely sure if the Stirling lodge is still in existence or if it is now known as Lodge Melrose St. John.

Going back to your claim that it had links with the Knights Templars, I am sceptical about that as the Templars where disbanded by papal decree in 1312. I should also point out that there is no evidence to back up your claim that they helped with the war of independence in Scotland, which was also claimed in the book "The Temple and the Lodge".

On a finishing note, anyone who still believes the Masons are involved in a masterplan to rule the world should come and meet my uncle. He is a working class guy who lives in a deprived part of Glasgow and is only 1 degree away from the 33rd degree. Therefore, I would be very surprised if these Machiavellian world leaders had allowed him to get this high but kept him away from all the discussions on their plans for world domination.

{Ed007's Note -Hahaha is he aye? I'll meet your uncle and he can prove to me he's a 32nd Degree Freemason, just tell me when and where?}

17 Jan 2018 19:45:12
It wasn't an open invitation although I can see how it could be seen as one. Its not like I am going to take you up to his house and introduce you as some guy I spoke to on the internet who wants you to show him proof of what degree you are at.

Anyway it makes no difference to me whether or not you believe it or not. As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

{Ed007's Note - So you want us to believe YOU - one single guy on the internet - that your uncle's a 32nd Degree Mason while you're telling us not to believe ANY of the millions of articles, websites, videos and documentaries that expose what goes on in these secret societies, political organisations and the higher echelons of society?}

17 Jan 2018 20:40:19
As I stated I don't care if you believe it or not, it won't keep me up tonight if I know you don't believe me.

By the way millions of people believe that Jesus was the son of god. In fact you will probably find even more articles, websites, videos and documentaries telling you about it and presenting their evidence. Does that make them right?

Anyway if you want to have a proper debate then show me the evidence instead of just saying I have read stuff and watched stuff and that makes me right.

{Ed007's Note - It's you that said "I think many of you have been watching too much bilge on the internet about masonic conspiracies and the Illuminati."
Where's your evidence and I take it you must have watched said bilge to know what's in them - or did your uncle tell you? Where's your evidence that Jesus wasn't the Son of God? It looks like it's you that's trying to force your opinions on people by telling them all these people are wrong and that you're right yet all the evidence you've given is that your uncle is a 32nd Degree Mason that lives in a $hitehole.
I guess all they people that spent years at university studying politics and history etc were just wasting their time when all they had to do was come on here and ask you.}

18 Jan 2018 03:25:57
Rodgersatwork - of course nobody knows what became of the Templars after they got banished. Not all of them got killed off. I was just saying it made sense to me that they would start similar organisations.

Also the bit about your uncle is irrelevant, not all masons are big hitters as I said in my original post, but most big hitters in the world are masons or involved in similar closed societies.

Pretty much all US presidents were masons, many of the lead scientists and most of the major business owners etc.

which bring me to my next point, even if you don't believe in any major conspiracy, we do know masons gives jobs to those inside and business contracts etc. On a very large scale as well.

Doesn't exactly make it a fair market does it? So people like your uncle and organisations like it should be banned regardless of conspiracy or not.

18 Jan 2018 06:19:15
So you think the knights templar, who were a group of monastic holy knights are similar to a guild of stonemasons, who were neither religious or monastic? Not only that, they waited nearly 300 years to do so?

What evidence do you have that most big hitters of closed societies? For the record the masons is not a closed society as they have open days when you can apply.

What evidence do you have that most scientists, US presidents and business owners were masons? From my understanding only around 1/ 3 of presidents were masons, which is not the majority.

With regards to your allegation that masons give contracts and jobs to each other and that the practice is unfair. First of all the number of masons in Scotland has greatly declined, which I find strange because according to you, they could easily have gotten a job or business contract. Second of all, people give jobs and contracts to their friends and family all the time and masons are just normal people who do the same. Arguably neither practice is fair but it is just human nature.

18 Jan 2018 18:57:32
As for your post about presidents and powerful people, I'm not going to post loads of links etc. Do your own research. Washington was one so they had a good start in USA.

Also you have Lodges called the order of DeMolay for example. DeMolay was a knights templar. So why would they name themselves after people who weren't anything to do with their organisation?

So you can sit and think it was all a bunch of stonemason workers. However there is more that suggest they are referring to the "great architecht of the universe"

as masons call it, not me. So they are religious and hold close ties or emotions with Templars.

Do your own research.

18 Jan 2018 18:51:44
You are showing how little you actually know by stating they were not religious. If that's the case then why have most lodges for years had to declare a belief in a supreme being?

If the masons were a group of stonemasons helping each other out, then why do they take in more than stonemasons? even if as u suggest that's what they were, then that is clearly what they are not anymore.

For a so called non religious group they seem to like Egyptian symbolism like pyramids and the eye of horus. That amongst other religious symbolism.

Also you comparing families giving their kid a job over a worldwide organisation that gives the majority of it's benefits to within then you really are mad.

I'm not even just talking about a guy in a lodge getting his mate a job, you are talking about biggest of business keeping each other running while other many times better companies can't compete and are pushed out.

Having an overall negative impact on society and the whole point of the market.

18 Jan 2018 22:03:35
You seem to be missing the point and unable to differentiate between freemasonry of 1598 and freemasonry of today.

Knights Templar finish 1312 by papal decree.

Earliest records of freemasons in Scotland was 1598. This was the Schaw statute, which you obviously have never read.

So tell me how the knights templar waited nearly 300 years before starting the freemasons and why did they decide to become stone masons as well? Surely any Templar who survived the papal persecution wouldn't have live for another 286 years? Or are you now attributing them with magical powers of long life?

Anyway in the Schaw Statutes it is clear that the Freemasons of that time were actual stone masons and it had nothing to do with religion at this point. You can probably find an electronic copy of the Schaw Statutes online if you want to check for yourself.

The kind of freemasonry you are talking about came much later in history and is known as speculative freemasonry. For the record you get two kinds of masonic lodge, operative and speculative. Operative lodges still have connections to actual stone masonry.

Moving back to US Presidents, like you I have read books that claim nearly all US presidents were freemasons but unlike you I actually went to verify if it was true or false. To the best of my knowledge it is a false claim as only around 1/3 were actual masons.

With regards to Freemasonry adopting Knights Templar themes, the person who can take credit for that is Andrew Michael Ramsey in the 1730s. The person who actually started the masonic Knights Templar order was Thomas Dunckerley at the end of the 18th century. This is the reason you have. The Order of De Molay which I believe you are referring to started in 1919 in the US. You should try reading facts instead of bilge.

By the way I am not disputing that some presidents, scientists and other important people were masons. However, your claim that most of them were is just outright false. You are also mistaken that the pyramid and eye of horus are masonic symbols. Freemasonry does use an eye as a symbol but it is the "Eye of Providence" and symbolises god looking over humankind.

The point I was making about helping your friends and family over others was only used to highlight that it is human nature to help those people who belong to the same groups as us or have a connection with. Perhaps a better example would have been that when I went to NY many years ago, I was drinking in a Celtic bar not long after I arrived. During this occasion I got speaking to an Irish American and fellow Celtic fan. Anyway I was telling him I was looking for work and he hooked me up with one of his friends who ran a removal company. You could argue this was unfair to others as I was given preferential treatment and deprived someone of a job because they were not a member of the same group.

For the record masonry does a lot for society but don't take credit for it, as they raise a lot of money for local charities in their communities each year. If you are looking for a real evil in our society a good place to start is Laissez Faire Capitalism.

19 Jan 2018 01:16:45
I'm not missing a point at all. Doesn't matter what masonry was. What matters is what it has become.

On top of that, just because you have record of a date doesn't exactly mean that's when the masons were founded.

Then you say 1/ 3 of US presidents masons. As if that's a small number lol. That's quite a large amount of power for a so called charitable small group of stonemason admirers.

Yes, I get your story about individual work, but I'm talking big business and I know this for a fact because where i worked all the bosses were masons and one of the guys was quite open about a lot even though he prob shouldn't have been.

This company wasn't exactly well known but had ties to big companies which essentially fed them work and wealth. I'm not talking about getting someone a 9 to 5. I'm talking millions, billions placed in pockets.

Also the "eye of providence" ok so a Pyramid with an eye on it? the exact same as Egyptian symbolism. Call it what you want lol.


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