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18 Apr 2015 13:18:57
With Stokes suspended tomorrow can anyone else expect to see 442 after Wednesdays game

1.) 18 Apr 2015 14:55:45
Maybes late on if we're chasing. We'll stick to our quite loose 4-2-3-1. Griffiths in for Guidetti. GMS, possibly Armstrong in for Stokes.

2.) 18 Apr 2015 15:29:09
Both cup tied that's why I think we will go 442 or play Griffith's out wide

3.) 18 Apr 2015 16:15:30
Had a howler there then haven't I. Griffiths in where Stokes would be then I reckon. It'll be our usual shape but it is quite loose. No doubt Griffiths will be running across the line as he does and at times we will be two up but I still think its important to start games in the shape we're adopting in Europe.

4.) 18 Apr 2015 16:20:56
We are actually down neat to the bare minimum tomorrow , I thought Johannson was limping before coming off near the end on Wednesday.
We need him .

12 Apr 2015 22:56:40
Read this forum for a while and love the different natures of topics. One thing that gets me though is the Neil Lennon criticism. We need to appreciate the fact that he left us in by far a better state than he found us. Regardless of certain opinions could anyone seriously have went through what he went through to manage the club he loved.

1.) 13 Apr 2015 00:29:25
@tictactoe None of that has anything to do with his ability as a manager.

I liked Lennon but it was time for him to leave, look at without the romantic notion of what the man means to the support, there was a lot of ups and just as many downs and he'll go down as a good manager for us but that's it he wasn't a great manager.

Let's face it, if he wasn't Irish he wouldn't be held in such high esteem and after the joy of Barca game it all went downhill and the final sason under him it was dire to watch, one of the worst in recent memory.

And seriously, I'd have went through what he went through to manage the Hoops, you and your family are surrounded by the very best security systems and personnel money can buy, police on alert 24/7, your mail is monitored and all that stuff.

Just like Neil Lennon if my family were backing me I'd have done the exact same, people forget what his family went through as well.

I'm not saying it's right what he went through and he was brave to not let the scumbags win and run him out of town.

As rayman says down the page I only really mention him to get a reaction from folk on here.

But NONE of that has anything to with people talking about what he done as manager and bringing it up actually takes away from what he did achieve.

Or is Neil Lennon's managerial record not good enough to use against his detractors that you need to bring up the off field stuff?

Is what went on the reason why he never won a treble or was that footballing reasons or will we just use the problems as an excuse for his failings as manager?

Are we talking about Lennon's manager ability or what went on off the park?

I don't think anyone on here would condone that kind of shit and to use it to try to get people to stop talking about how good a manager he is or was is a bit dippy imo.

I'm feeling a bit philisophical tonight so here's a question. I've had this conversation before but there was a zombie in the company, when he was asked "you can't condone that with Lennon?" he said he didn't condone it but it didn't affect the fitba, then he asked if we had wanted Liverpool to win the FA Cup when Souness was just days after open heart surgery back in the 90s.

If you're all for managers overcoming the odds and off feld bother and that, did you cheer on Souness for years after his heart problems?

No security or police will save you if your heart goes pop.

Alex Ferguson, David Beckham, Ronaldo, messi read about Steven Gerrards background and the problems he's had over the years including threatend to be shot, they all probably had or have just as much security as Neil Lennon.

It's only because of the sectarian element it's highlighted and used as a means of supporting Lennon.

2.) 13 Apr 2015 06:35:13
Im getting sick to the teeth of hearing about Lennons problems off the field and how it is an excuse for his failings as a manager. Yes it was terrible what he went through, but if it was affecting his work then he should of been a man and stepped aside.

Martin Oneil had worrying concerns in his personal life, with his wife being ill and as a result stepped aside to care for wife. He understandly knew his full focus would not be on Celtic.

Lennon seems to be excusable for any bad result, poor trophy haul, bad transfer or anything else. Yet if it was anyone else, they would be hung out to dry

3.) 13 Apr 2015 13:02:45
I am not Irish, and I am certainly not sectarian, so my views on Lennon are purely based on the job he did as Celtic manager.
To listen to some people you'd think he'd got us relegated, when in actual fact we had won the league by 29 points, got 99 points, scored 102 goals, and only lost 1 match. Add to that he got us into the Champions league, I don't see how the season could be described as dire.
The money brought into the club by Lennon getting us into the Champions league, in my opinion, outweighs some bad cup results, as it allowed us to bring in better players than we otherwise would have been able to, and our reputation in Europe was enhanced.
I could actually reverse DN30's argument and ask why he exempts Ronny Deila from any criticism, yet he has made plenty of mistakes up till now.
I like Ronny Deila, but that doesn't mean that I have to hate Neil Lennon. I think that if you remember what we were like before he took over, then we were miles better when he left.

4.) 13 Apr 2015 14:10:40
Gerryc reverse? Your having a laugh! How has he made plenty of mistakes? It was always going to take time to settle into a new routine and team is performing well, even the players have pubically stated so.

He has won the league cup, leagues a certainty and I see no issues with scottish cup. Together with a respectful performance in Europa League i'm struggling to see what your point is? i'd say that he has had a great first season in charge and we have a great basis to build on.

5.) 13 Apr 2015 15:20:11
Gerryc
I am sure you are like me , fed up with , part-time Celtic supporters fed up with people going on about how Lennon had to put up with death threats etc . Just because he was employed by Celtic . To compare N . L. ten years almost entirely under threat of his or his family's life with that of Martin O'Neil's wife cancer illness which from the outset the prognosis was that it was always curable and thank God it was right . That DN fellow seems to think that N. L. brought it all on himself .
Funny despite DN 30 been so fed up with people bringing up Lennon's difficulties he actually brought them up himself. DN 30 also is one of the few who says these difficulties were the excuse for his failings as manager , but again DN is one of the few who says he was a failure of a manager .
I think it would be more sensible to move on from N. L. and appreciate what we have now.

6.) 13 Apr 2015 15:29:47
@Chris02 What's with the part-time supporter patter?

Maybe you could tell everyone what your definition of a full time supporter is?

7.) 13 Apr 2015 15:47:44
DN30 my post is about Neil Lennon, but if you want me to pick out a few mistakes of Ronny's, how about:
Failing to qualify for the Champions league.
Bringing Berget Wakasso, and Tonev in on loan.
Paying £2 million for Scepovic.
Making 10 changes against Inverness and losing 1-0.
Terrible performance at Dundee.
Losing at home to Hamilton.
Dreadful home performances at home against Motherwell and Ross County.
Losing at home to St Johnstone.
The whole thing is, you want to gloss over Ronny's mistakes, and judge h7m on his overall record, that's fair enough, but with Neil Lennon, it's the opposite, you only mention things that went wrong, and not all the good things he did for the club.
Every manager makes mistakes, but you treat Ronny as holier than thou, even though he gets things wrong, but you won't give Lennon credit for anything.
You come across as very bitter and twisted.

8.) 13 Apr 2015 16:15:18
Chris02 you never cease to amaze me with some of the pi$h you yak!

Was a very valid point regarding Martin Oneil. He understandbly resigned to care for his sick wife, as he knew he would not of been in right frame of mind to manage club. Lennon has his threats (which no doubt u will try say I think was acceptable), used as an excuse for being out of his depth and everything is meant to be hunky dory? NO CHANCE!

All we hear is last 16 this and last 16 that. Clearly its yourself who is a "part-time supporter" / (sevconian) as you would be aware that out of 4 euro trips, first season never qualified, 2nd season in by default of sion, 3rd season last 16 and last season major disaster!

Your posts are exposing you as a desperate man trying to rally up support cause u know u don't have an argument.

Hows Ibrokes these day anyway?

9.) 13 Apr 2015 17:34:27
A H , a very frequent and also divisive poster on here , posted about an intimate act he performed at half time in a Barcelona match . Celtic were playing at the same time , even though we couldn't get the match on TV as UEFA had an embargo on showing non Champions League matches . It was obvious that from forums " full time " Celtic fans were following Celtic by what ever means possible and so would have referred to that time as half time during Celtic match .

10.) 13 Apr 2015 17:44:07
@Chris02 All I can say is a massive "thank you". We're so lucky that the rest of us mere mortals can come on here and learn from all the super-fans like you. #celticfamily

How on earth do you manage to watch games on TV from so far up your own ar$e pal?

11.) 13 Apr 2015 18:42:49
Gerryc look at the team fielded against Maribor. 5 players in that team that were only fielded cause there was no anyone else due to injuries and lack of cover! that's the only reason we lost!

Berget, wakaso and tonev were clearly only brought in to provide cover which we needed. I note how you have omitted to mention success of denayer.

Scepovic verdict is still out. If you want to go tit for tat regards lennon- balde, pukki and boerighter. Rest my case on that one.

Games you state apart from St Johnstone were at start of season. Team was still getting used to new style of play, even players stated this.

Again you have no argument and there is no glossing fact that we have already won league cup, still in scottish cup and will win league. So what exactly on Deilas remit as manager has he not achieved to this point??

The only bitterness I have is towards the board for letting Lennon get away with being a substandard manager for so long. You are obviously reading some sort of ideology literature such as mein kampf and are warped into the illusion that you have to ignore Lennons failings because he was a great player for club and his location of birth. I tell it how it is in my opinion. Like it or lump it. couldn't care less, but il tell you something il never back down on my views because others don't like that I disagree

12.) 13 Apr 2015 20:42:33
I'm not criticising Ronny for making mistakes, I just accept that all managers make them, and I was just pointing out some of his.
I think Ronny is doing a great job, but that ddoesn't mean I think that Neil Lennon was a sub standard manager, if he was we wouldn't have won the league for the last 3 years, and considering where Bolton were when he took them over, if he was so bad, surely he would have taken them down, rather than to safety.
You'll never change your mind about him, as you obviously can't stand the man, but in my view there have been far worse Celtic managers than Neil Lennon.

13.) 13 Apr 2015 20:49:47
@ DN as u know no one enjoys the jousts with u regardin Lennon more than me. But mate no one and I mean no one I have read on here has ever mentioned Lennon as bein a good manager because of the location of his birth as u put it. In fact the ONLY person whoever mentions that is you. Quite rightly defend your opinion on Lennon totally nothing wrong with that but let the irish thing go mate. In fact I would go as far to say I have never even considered Lennon irish, like every other player/manager etc here, his nationality to me is a Celt nothing else.

14.) 13 Apr 2015 21:37:05
A H , do you have a problem, you ask for a definition and then when you get it you become abusive, a true amateur .
DN 30 , you are a fine deflector of the truth . You said that Lennon only won weakened leagues . That must mean that you felt your second and third loves ( Hearts and Rangers/Sevco. ) should be in the SPL .
I have been consistent that the 12 teams who should make up the SPL are the teams that deserve to be in .

I admit I was last in Ibrox in 1972, if that is something to be ashamed of , then I wasn't the only Celtic fan there that day .

15.) 14 Apr 2015 08:10:04
Rayman with subject of nationality, your right I was probably the first to bring it up. i'm not saying every fan who rated Lennons reign as successful thinks that way, but there is a lot who do which is daft. When subject is brought up because my views are different, some go on the defensive and accuse me of being a "lennon hater" which is untrue. If it wasnt Lennon who was previous manager and another person instead, who had same records, signings, etc I would be critical of that person as well. Its nothing personal mate.

16.) 14 Apr 2015 19:29:27
Fair enough mate if it nothing personal. But Lennon/Strachan have very similar records and both outshone ONeil in Europe.As I said nothing wrong with criticism I do it with RD and will continue to do so if needed but I have nothing but praise for him the now. Just a bit of balance would go a long way, because no matter what your opinion is he still did a good job in a lot of peoples eyes.

17.) 16 Apr 2015 18:29:33
DN 30 how do you know that Martin O'Neil left Celtic to look after his sick wife.
He had signed a " pre" contract to leave Celtic to manage Leeds 3 seasons earlier .

I presume you don't know Martin O' Neil , so you don't know anything that wasn't in the media . I know Martin , but to be honest I don't know anything more about these particular circumstances either .

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19 Apr 2015 15:41:43
Enoughs enough. Some fans that say we weren't good enough but it would have been game over had they went down to 10 and penalty been put away. If we put it down to our performance the cheats have got away with it as per usual

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18 Apr 2015 15:29:09
Both cup tied that's why I think we will go 442 or play Griffith's out wide

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18 Apr 2015 13:23:16
I think Ryan Gauld on loan is more realistic

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03 Apr 2015 22:52:42
I reckon the only reason for the changes tonight was the opposition. Bottom of the league and with internationals we could afford to experiment ala the reason we have a big squad