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29 Oct 2013 10:09:55
Word on the street today is Jorge Cadete is in talks with Celtic about comin in as a striker coach. Anyone else think this can only be a good thing for Project Balde (and is maybe aimed with him in mind)? I think in terms of young ataljic and Pukki, this will be a good thing as well.
Irishrocco

1.) Ok George cadet was a striker but has he ever been a competent striker coach? How many strikers has he coached and improved? Where, what clubs? What's the names of the strikers? How long did it take? What's his methods?

2.) Hope that's for the youth team.
Or it's an admission our pros are cack.
Spending more good money after bad.

3.) Think Henrik Would be a better choice, clearer vision and positional awareness

Green Judge

4.) Suppose the same could be levied at our current manager, how much experience did he have before he was handed the reigns to the biggest club in Scotland when it waon its knees? Sometimes you just have to rely on your instincts when bringing in anyone to a club. Look at Johan and Garry Parker, wouldn't have had them down as my 1st choice but Lenny obviously did and it has worked, even letting Thommo go has been proved a right decision. If NL thinks Jorge can get more out of Amido and teach our young strikers about movement, playing off the shoulder, finishing then I am all for it. on another note would have preferred Henrik or Chris. but hey ho.

5.) In reply to the initial reply. There was an article earlier this year about Jorge Cadete, and how he had bee doing his coaching in Portugal with Sporting Lisbon youth's and reserves, and mentioned how if he ever got the call from Celtic he would jump at the chance. I remember thinking that surely is an advert for his services and Celtic should take him up on it. In terms of Henrik, he's working his way up the managment ladder, and doing so in Sweden. His boy Jordan plays for the same team, so he won't be in a rush to uproot his family anytime soon. As for Chris, I remember him managing Lincoln, but then that not working out, and hearing nothing about since.
When you think we have Johan and Danny McGrain in as coaches, both defensive minded coaches, although Danny you would expect to be coaching the fullbacks the celtic way of being a full back ( Fisher, Matthews already showing a McGrain influence) it would be a fair assessement to get in an attacking coach, especially when you have a goalkeeping coach already at the club, and our Mangager was a defensive midfielder. They do it in american football and it works dividends there, so when you think how technical football is becoming, the way forward could possibly be this. {Ed001's Note - to point one thing out, Sporting (there is no Lisbon actually in their name by the way, Sporting's fans hate it when it is added!) have one of the best youth systems in the world. They only employ the best coaches and anyone who has worked in that system will have had the best education, in football terms, that can be given. Knowing that Cadete is working with them should mean he will be well versed in improving players technically, as that is the aim of their youth system.}

6.) Irishrocco you didn't answer the questions in the first posters post. All the sentences with question marks at the end.
All we have is that he coached boys at sporting. That demonstrates a lack of competence to coach champions league level strikers I'm afraid.
This is Celtic desperation to try and make good a messed up situation. Two strikers have been brought in and they're not spl average. They should never have been bought. Cheap options and results are predictably poor. When will we get away from let's spend £2m and hope we get lucky, smiles all round the boardroom table. It's 2014 nearly and we're playing at 1980s economics. And when it bites us we just look to patch it up instead of sacking them and starting again. Jorge cadet ffs we're trying for last 16 and being offered a sticking plaster when we need surgery and a transplant.

7.) Henrik for me but christ just get the money out and buy decent strikers, instead of trying to do it on the cheap

8.) 29 Oct 2013 13:25:45
To be honest, I only answered with the information that I knew, hence why the questions weren't answered, and as Ed pointed out about the academy at Lisbon then that should give you an idea.
Am not disputing that we've penny pinched this summer when its came to strikers, but having an actual striking coach can't be bad thing whoever they bring in.
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9.) 29 Oct 2013 13:34:14
pressed submit too early.
1 thing I remember growing up as a striker, was we never got enough coaching, our attempt at coachingwas doing some shooting drills with the rest of the team, or playing in mini games, with the focus on the defenders poistioning and goalkeepers. To be able to go to training and work specifically on forward/striker technical training would have been a dream, and if had been introduced into our game 10-15 years ago we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What irks me is that we have strikers playing in development who generally score for fun, and play for Scotland 21's, 19's (am not being specific on age groups- so happy to be corrected), now you can't tell me that in the spl, we should be given these guys the chance to make the step up and prove themselves rather than continue as their going.
Ave heard all the arguments about not being ready, etc, and we are celtic we should be able to buy quality. If we face facts we aren;t as strong in the market as what we were, occasionally we get the odd diamond, but most times we dont. So solution, blood the youngsters in the SPL, get their confidence up, so for the following season they can be given the chance in Europe. Its how they do it abroad. But when we set up with 3 similar attackers. Pukki, Stokes and Sami it frustrates me as there are all to similar. If Sami is out for awhile al be a happy man. Am not one of the Sami is a Legend crew, for me he runs too much and doesn't look up, gives the ball away then puts his hands to his face and then doesn't chase back. I knwo the stats about Europe, etc, etc, but it doesn't give us balance.

10.) Here we go again two no name posters having a go at the board for not spending
6, 7, 8, £m or more on a striker, players in that
bracket are not interested in coming to the league we are operating in.Even with champions league football they are not coming to a third rate league, big as celtic are, any quality strikers will be snapped up by the teams in the elite leagues in europe, so please just accept where we are and stop having digs at the club, we get enough from everyone else in scotland.jimbhoy.

11.) Ed or anyone else, what's the crack with Benni McCarthy?

12.) Wouldn't let Cadette in to watch Celtic never mind coach.

13.) Johnbhoy67 Your reason's for this?
Tambhoy

14.) For the same reason, that I would never had allowed David Hay or Lou Macari to manage our club. I think he had his chance at Celtic, and blew it.

15.) Jonbhoy and how exactly did Cadette blow it? Tambhoy

16.) Ed just a thought should we no be using cadetes potential wages towards a quality strikers wages ie finnborgsson who already knows where the goal is and good strikers need little training hooper wiz a natural and larsson was so good u couldny teach him he wid be the teacher thoughts {Ed007's Note - If you're a striker that needs coached in how to score then IMO you shouldn't be a striker.}

17.) 29 Oct 2013 13:59:52
if it wasnt for sammi we wudnt be where we are at at the moment. he has been great for us and arguably the best signing lennon ever made (signing him to a contract when millions wanted rid of him) tony watt should be our 1st choice striker next year. constant willing runner who gives 200% on the pitch. i'm not sure about his training or what not cause I have never saw him train but on the pitch the lad does the business

also was benni mc carthy not something to do with our coaching set up ed? what happened to him if this was true


COYBIG {Ed007's Note - McCarthy was only over studying our training methods as part of his UEFA badges.}

18.) Just my opinion tambhoy, but with just over a year with us, I don't think of him as a great servant.I believe he attempted to use our club as a stepping stone to what he regarded as bigger things. I know he was superb in that time, and that he wasn't the only one who ever used Celtic in that way, but it sticks in my throat.

19.) I agree with jonbhoy, much I loved Caddette, hoijndongk, dicanio, the 3 amigos tried using us as a stepping stone. Jonnybhoy

20.) Jonbhoy and Jonnyboy, it's been like that for a long time guy's, player's born outside of this country do that and indeed player's from this country do it, their reason's MONEY, pure and simple, if Celtic won't pay them what they think their worth other's will, after all to these guy's it's a job.we need to face the reality, no one play's for the jersey now
Tambhoy

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29 Oct 2013 13:34:14
pressed submit too early.
1 thing I remember growing up as a striker, was we never got enough coaching, our attempt at coachingwas doing some shooting drills with the rest of the team, or playing in mini games, with the focus on the defenders poistioning and goalkeepers. To be able to go to training and work specifically on forward/striker technical training would have been a dream, and if had been introduced into our game 10-15 years ago we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What irks me is that we have strikers playing in development who generally score for fun, and play for Scotland 21's, 19's (am not being specific on age groups- so happy to be corrected), now you can't tell me that in the spl, we should be given these guys the chance to make the step up and prove themselves rather than continue as their going.
Ave heard all the arguments about not being ready, etc, and we are celtic we should be able to buy quality. If we face facts we aren;t as strong in the market as what we were, occasionally we get the odd diamond, but most times we dont. So solution, blood the youngsters in the SPL, get their confidence up, so for the following season they can be given the chance in Europe. Its how they do it abroad. But when we set up with 3 similar attackers. Pukki, Stokes and Sami it frustrates me as there are all to similar. If Sami is out for awhile al be a happy man. Am not one of the Sami is a Legend crew, for me he runs too much and doesn't look up, gives the ball away then puts his hands to his face and then doesn't chase back. I knwo the stats about Europe, etc, etc, but it doesn't give us balance.

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29 Oct 2013 13:25:45
To be honest, I only answered with the information that I knew, hence why the questions weren't answered, and as Ed pointed out about the academy at Lisbon then that should give you an idea.
Am not disputing that we've penny pinched this summer when its came to strikers, but having an actual striking coach can't be bad thing whoever they bring in.
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In reply to the initial reply. There was an article earlier this year about Jorge Cadete, and how he had bee doing his coaching in Portugal with Sporting Lisbon youth's and reserves, and mentioned how if he ever got the call from Celtic he would jump at the chance. I remember thinking that surely is an advert for his services and Celtic should take him up on it. In terms of Henrik, he's working his way up the managment ladder, and doing so in Sweden. His boy Jordan plays for the same team, so he won't be in a rush to uproot his family anytime soon. As for Chris, I remember him managing Lincoln, but then that not working out, and hearing nothing about since.
When you think we have Johan and Danny McGrain in as coaches, both defensive minded coaches, although Danny you would expect to be coaching the fullbacks the celtic way of being a full back ( Fisher, Matthews already showing a McGrain influence) it would be a fair assessement to get in an attacking coach, especially when you have a goalkeeping coach already at the club, and our Mangager was a defensive midfielder. They do it in american football and it works dividends there, so when you think how technical football is becoming, the way forward could possibly be this. {Ed001's Note - to point one thing out, Sporting (there is no Lisbon actually in their name by the way, Sporting's fans hate it when it is added!) have one of the best youth systems in the world. They only employ the best coaches and anyone who has worked in that system will have had the best education, in football terms, that can be given. Knowing that Cadete is working with them should mean he will be well versed in improving players technically, as that is the aim of their youth system.}

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