Celtic Rumours Archive December 26 2012

26 Dec 2012 16:33:09
Hi Ed, hope you and your family had a fab xmas!
I see lenny will cut short his trip to marbella so he can go to England to watch potential transfer targets. Would it be Charlie Austin Ed or has he his eye on someone else? or maybe a few targets?

Celticthomas {Ed007's Note - I had a great time Thomas thanks, I hope you did too. I don't know who specifically NL is going to watch but I would guess it will be players' whose contracts are due to expire in the summer or are summer targets. Any deals for January would be past the stage of the manager watching them in person.}

I saw Strachan before the game saying he doesn't think anyone will come in. Saying the team spirit is such, that bringing a new face in wont really improve the team.
I see where hes coming from, but i find it hard to believe no one will arrive.
Have you any idea what kind of offer Hooper has knocked back Ed?
I would like to think he is being offered the same as our highest earners.

Joeshmo1888 {Ed007's Note - I've said before Joe I don't think it is money etc that Hooper has turned down, it goes deeper than that.}

Hooper wants epl simple as. He's ours until a deal can be made for a replacement. It has been unofficially "leaked" that he has said no to 25 a week.

This suggests to me he could be offered more per week than henrik and still walk. Time to move him out and for us to move on.

Such is the nature of our squad we cannot possibly consider caving in to any big time Charlie demands or there would be another seven or eight unsettled also. Celtic is about the team not individuals.

I haven't said he is a bad player for the record

Jamie mac

Id like to see demba ba in our team he would make a brill transfer to replace hooper

Ed 007 - what do you mean? Just that he wants to go to England? {Ed007's Note - Yes. That has always been the case and I don't think anything will change it now. Even if he did sign a new contract it would only be a pay rise until the summer and maybe get us some extra money in a fee.}

26 Dec 2012 20:03:57
I hate to be a party pooper, but i am becoming increasingly sick and tired of the"party" songs being sung at our away games.
How many of these fans have made the trip from Northern Ireland to an away game in Dundee on Boxing day?
Im going to guess , less than 1%, these songs are being sung by people who have probably never been to Ireland.
I always thought we were a club that welcomed all, and that includes the British Army.
Really dissapointed tonight as its been non stop since the first whistle, if this is the Green Brigade(and im not saying it is), they need to have a good look at themselves.
Sorry for the rant.

Joeshmo1888

Think you need to have a good look at yourself. Where is the logic in saying only 1% of the fans were Irish? Its christmas, dont people go visit family at christmas? Isnt there a good chance that a lot of Irish came over for christmas and got themselves a ticket while they're here. As much as I dont like a lot of the songs that some people sing at the football, people should be allowed to sing what they want as long as its not filled with vile and hatred of other peoples beliefs. Let the people sing their stories and their songs.

Mikey Bhoy

Stop being an apologist joeshmo no one cares for that. Who are you to criticise when sitting in your armchair? Bottom line is we have majorly Irish roots from inception to the present day and if some folks want to sing songs then that's upto them be it right or wrong

Acceptance of the British army? Well, that's a whole other debate bud. Bare bones of it? The Brits have *******ised any land they could and still are. WOMD mean anything to you or more accurately phantom WOMD?

It may not be ideal these songs being sung by fans but trying to side with the British army with all they have done in the past and present is far too rich for me anyway.

To call down our fans for the benefit of the *******s army is not on. They have done nothing in my name and began and continue as a terrorist group

Jamie mac(pi55ed off at this)

Also since when did you have to be of the race or creed to have sympathy or empathy for the creed or race.

The saying goes " to those who understand no explanation is necessary; to those who don't understand no explanation is possible"

So true it would appear

Jamie mac(proud of my country,proud of my people)

Youre reeking of it, away back to rangers media and listen to charlie greens christmas message, yer team died at halloween

First and foremost this is a Scottish club ,whilst we are all proud of our Irish connection this is Glasgow Celtic,we do play in the SPL.

Jamie Mac you're spot on!

Anton

I will appologize for nothing, if you all think those songs tonight are fitting to a football game, i am certainly not siding with anyone, that includes the British Army. I have never been in it, have no interest in it, and have no close relations in it.
We are top of the league, still in Europe and singing this tripe.
Mickey, if you really believe there was hundreds of Irish at an away game on Boxing day, be my guest, but your wrong.
Jamie, get a grip mate. So no one thats in the army can be a Celtic Supporter? I know a few from my school who joined, and YES it was a catholic school, not that that matters.
Maybe ive just grown up and, yes as a teenager sang them once myself, but i find them appauling nowadays and wish the would stop.

Joeshmo1888

Well said Jamie Mac, u also had the balls to leave ure name unlike "the person" who actually got his/her message posted (shame on u Ed) x 2. At the match tonite and thought our fans were great. Stevo Dundee {Ed007's Note - One of the anonymous posts was accusing Joe of being a The Rangers fan and the other one was stating the standard answer, I deleted a lot more that had came hence from the shadows.}

I would also like to point out, i am in fact half Irish, my Granparent come from South West Ireland and my Father was born in Wexford in the East.
I am a proud Celtic fan as im sure the Ed will agree with and feel the songs are old, stale and holding us back.

Joeshmo1888 {Ed007's Note - Stale? I don't think I have ever said that Joe, have you heard my ringtone?}

So you're a hypocrite then joeshmo? I don't tend to correspond with them types as they are the worst kind to argue with. Nothing worse than an ex-smoker lecturing a smoker if you catch my drift.

It's that type of thinking that both cracks me up and really riles me. It was ok for you to sing them at one point then when your viewpoint changes you lecture others? Ha ha ha hypocrisy at its finest.

You are denouncing people for this "problem" when you have been a cause of it

With this in mind I expect to hear nothing else from you on this matter as it can't possibly hold any validity with anyone as you have placed yourself in both camps, which was stupidity to say the least.

Jamie mac(maybe wrong but at least will always be wrong)

Sorry Ed. That was me that was saying that, not you. I was just pointing out i am a Celtic fan and was saying you would back me on that.
Back to my point, i see i have touched a nerve with fellow fans. I guess its personal choice. My choice would be to stop singing them. Looking at the replies, i seem to be outnumbered. Looks like i will just need to live with them.
Stevo, the fans were great as the game went on. The first 20 mins , no football was mentioned.

Joeshmo1888

Find this interesting, people who involve any sort of politics in a football game are obviously a little confused. If you want to talk politics go become a politician or journalist or something relevant to the topic. Football has no place for this rubbish. I myself have family in the British army and believe it or not...THEY ARE CATHOLIC CELTIC SUPPORTERS! If you people who talk about Ireland this and Ireland that and how the British done this and that, want to go back that far....well lets go all the way back further than that and you will find that everyone has s**t on someone else land one time or another. Celtic were formed for a good charity cause which had strong ties to Ireland. Thats great! Im all for charity and Thats why i support this great club. My family who have Irish roots as well as being catholic, we do not mix this with football....because we are not confused or small minded like some of you. We enjoy the football, the competition, the rivalry. I will also state that my family who are in the British forces do not always agree with what they are fighting for but they are fighting and this is when we should get behind them. If you want to oppose the government, thats fine but dont confuse the two. I could go on about the Palestine flags and all but that would really get you small minded folk confused. {Ed007's Note - So do you spend a lot of time in the Middle East? We don't need a history lesson mate, you have typed all that and really said nothing, plus you seem to have forgotten your name.}

I dont have a clue where any of the fans at tonights game came from nor do I claim to. I just dont think you should be making assumptions as to how many were from Ireland, how many have ever been to Ireland or that songs cant be sung without the GB being involved.

Mikey Bhoy

You also fling the token buzzwords around joe, what exactly do these songs hold us back from?

Winning trophies?no
FIFA fair play awards?no
Praises being sung by the great players of world football?no
Platini just a couple of weeks ago told us Europe had fallen in love with us. There are not too many of the songs offensive or deemed to be by the authorities joe so what ye gonna do? For the record and in case you hadn't worked it out I firmly believe in a united Irish republic and no one will make me feel second rate for that,no one. It's in the blood. Before you start joe at no point have I advocated bigotry but I can understand those who have the mindset of meet fire with fire

Jamie mac

I dont think its as big a problem anymore...u dont hear much ppl singin ooh ahh up the ra anymore. its either samaras or they go quiet.

Explain to me what the IRA means to you Jamie, and why you find it important to be sung at a Scottish football game.
I see you call the British army terrorists, this may be the case. As i said, i have very little interest in the British Army, but if they are terrorists, what is the IRA?
Your right, i used to sing them when i was younger, not even knowing what i was on about.
Maybe thats being a hypocrite, maybe it was being stupid. Either way, these songs are dated and have nothing to do with me and Celtic Football Club.
You obviously hold very strong views on the subject, so lets just agree to disagree.
I have an opinion, which i feel im entitled to, without being laughed at.

Joeshmo1888 {Ed007's Note - I don't mind civil discussions about this kind of subject Joe, but when it comes to down to it is people's perspective of whoever is carrying the banner at a set time. The IRA has became an umbrella 'name' for so many people that it has lost it's true meaning. Can I just say I know what you are getting at but aren't saying it the right way?? I will say that anything that gets the club into trouble should be stopped, not just CFC if that's what they want, but any club in the world singing political songs should be treated the same way. Why should CFC fans (including me over the years) be allowed to sing anything but dictate what others should be singing? Break it down an it is all down to personal belief, whether you agree or not. Just because you agree doesn't make it right, or vice versa.}

Without the mighty green brigade celtic are hollow hail hail the green brigade

Thanks Ed. Your obviously a pro at this and got the point across better than myself.
Jamie is correct too, as i used to sing them, i suppose i can have little complaint.
Personally, i wish it would stop. I know im not alone in that but i guess i have to respect others opinions on the subject too.

Joeshmo1888

Any reason a couple of my posts never made it to the thread ed? Not trying to hassle you, I just wanna establish if I've said something wrong or the like?

Is it a subject you'd rather avoid hosting? Couldn't blame you if it were mate.

Again hoping not to cause offence and none shall be taken with any answers.

Bin this if I have the wrong impression if you want to or use my email address

Don't want to be making your job any harder or make ye wade thru any more ****e than is necessary

Jamie mac {Ed007's Note - I've posted everything with a tag or an e-mail Jamie...? It's an adult discussion to me...ya f*d :-)

What a stupid argument, and does it really matter if someone leaves there name?

JOHN CASS

Still trying to suss out this phone ed. It's awfully easy to press the wrong button, ask joe, just kidding joe bud ha ha.

Could I suggest spacing the believable/unbelievable icons a bit further apart as I believe I may have accidentally clicked unbelievable on the post from a the rangers fan farther down the page, accidentally of course.

The count on they icons doesn't bother me but it does some, could be a case of trying to zoom in on mobile device causing the aggro.

Three or four years using the site and that's all I can come up with to "improve" it

Doing a grand job ed

Jamie mac(doesn't mean ya ain't a b***end);)

The theory about my use of phone is correct just noticed one of the "missing" posts has been sent to the banter side. Clearly my error

Cheers

Jamie mac

I agree with joeshmo1888 there is certain songs we should stop singing. there is other ways to remember our troubled past. im from the north of ireland and dont sing these songs at games, theres a time and place for them and thats not at football games.

Belfast Bhoy

Jamie mac we are a football club scottish with irish roots lets not bring all the bile and hatred on this site leave that to the sevco page

Celtic Always !
Chalkybhoy

Where have I brought bile and hatred chalky? I actually resent that, not once have I advocated bigotry mate, not once.

I have said that those who chose to sing last night are entitled to. Aiden mcanespie is hardly akin to the Sam song is it? I don't go in for the religious bigotry side of it as that is what the uneducated do. My point is that if people want to highlight suffering caused by the British army or any oppressing people or nation then I'm all for that.

Not once did I, or would I, claim that terrorism and death of innocent people is correct, wouldn't dream of it.

I kind of keep repeating myself but I do not want anyone under any illusions as to my thoughts and emotions on the issue. I beleive Ireland should be united but not at a human cost.

Singing about injustices rather than murders or bombings, I think, is justifiable. We do not hear the Sam song or the Irish soldier laddie etc often at all these days so if the songs are not of these tones then there can be no complaints made in my opinion which would appear to be backed up by the actions, or lack of, by fare, uefa, sfa whoever.

Some people, again just my opinion, seem to take the PC line to a whole new level.

I'm not one of them and will voice my opinions accordingly otherwise I am not a man. I respect others opinions but that's not to say I don't have the right to disagree and vice versa.

Fact remains you'd have to be looking to be offended, in a big way too, to be upset by the singing during 60 seconds of last nights game.

This is my last on this thread- I just didn't want the wrong impression of myself painted.


Jamie mac(hope people understand what I mean, albeit maybe not agree)

Guys,here is my tuppence worth for what it is. If people want to sing songs from the old land then do it in the privacy of your own home or at a club. These songs have no place at football. The club,the chief exec and the manager have all asked for us all to stop singing them. Once again this year the Celticsupport has been recognised for being the best in the world,why give anyone a change to have a dig at us. I listen with great pride the support the green brigade give the boys and they create an atmosphere everywhere they go and the should be applauded for that. The songs they sing support the players and the club with no political undertones and that's the way we should keep it. To wear the colours of the mighty Glasgow Celtic is enough for anyone to know where your allegiance lies so don't give the media,police,other fans any room to criticise us or point fingers of accusation. We have ridded ourselves of the bigots from the league let us not take their place.I wish all fellow hoops a great Xmas and a wonderful new year.

Agree with you josh some songs there is clearly no need for, with the ingenuity of the GB surely we could come up some new versions, Goreybhoy (wexford)

26 Dec 2012 11:12:36
Just wondering if anyone happened to know the name of the song that was played just after Forrest scored the fourth against Ross County...

Its Discoland...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoLErq2roEY

Mrs E