Celtic Banter Archive October 20 2013

20 Oct 2013 23:19:54
Brill Ed, and on that note it's g/night from me lol {Ed007's Note - Night mate, take care.}

20 Oct 2013 17:47:56
Ed007, wow! What a reply to my post 11.10.02 really appreciate you taking the time to do it, I'm still getting used to replying to the correct posts, there must be an easier way than the way I'm doing it, anyhoo I thought mcgeoch and (paul mcgowan )could do the commons job, I would like to spend money on quality, I've said before all of the loanees wages and along with fewer signings could be spent on better quality. Cheers. P.s agree 100% with you {Ed007's Note - No worries mate, I'm glad you agree. To reply look under the post where it has a 'Reply to this post' button or 'Alternative reply' button (that's is something to do with iPhones or Androids, something I don't understand anyway lol), that should open up a dialogue box. Don't worry about it, as long as people know who you are talking to if it is aimed at a specific person. I'm a big fan of McGeouch and would love to see him get more game time, him along with Biton, Rogic and Atajic should be getting blended into the team through playing in SPFL matches. Would bringing McGeouch on yesterday at the hour mark have changed the eventual scoreline in any negative way?
There comes a time when you MUST give young players their chance and only playing them as late subs a few times a season does nothing for the player's confidence or progress. They need a run of a few games to get used to the higher level, then hopefully they kick-on and improve.
Look at players like Rooney, Giggs, Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard, look at Petrov and the age these players were playing first-team matches and gaining invaluable experience and the class players they all became, natural talent is stifled in reserves/Under 20s etc when players get to a certain age and level, some reach it sooner than others but there is always that point in their career, look at the experience James McCarthy has under his belt over 200 league games between Accies and Wigan before his move to Everton and he is still only 22 (the same age incidentally as Forrest who has made about half of that).
I'm not for one minute comparing any of our youth players to some of the EPL's finest players but my point is until they are given that chance we will never know how good they will be... why nurture players just to freeze them out until they end up leaving to your Kilmarnocks and St.Mirrens? Especially without properly judging if they could make the step up to our first team squad by playing them, see how they handle the pressure and if they will develop as the seasons go on.
I also think NL's commitment to play his 'favourites' can sometimes be a problem, Mulgrew for example, if he is fit he plays no matter what run of form he is in, but that's another rant I will leave for now. The youth player situation is something I could moan about all day, it is what our club should be defined by and the fans should be encouraging it and as proud as Man Utd, LFC, Ajax etc, all are at their histories of producing quality players of their own.
At CFC we had the Lions, the Quality Street Kids, Dalglish Charlie Nicholas, Paul McStay the list goes on, we produced some of the greatest players in the game through our youth ranks and sadly now it seems no more than an afterthought.
How many supporters take the time, even once or twice a season just to go along and watch the youth or reserve teams? Is it not fancy enough for them or that there is no bragging rights, like letting the world know that you haven't been to CP for 15 years but you have a ticket for the Barcelona game.
If you don't know what's coming through you will always be looking for a big fee signing rather than seeing the bigger picture.
Fans demand fancy foreigners with multi-million pound transfer fees and wages to go with it, throw in a stupid MOTD goal celebration and a sending/slagging off against the then Rangers and you have an instant hero! Then he throws his toys out the pram, wants more money, there is a 'leetle problem' or refuses to go out on the park to play and THEN the board get the blame of that as well with fans screaming they should just throw more money at them to keep them happy!!
Yet all the time there is a youngster who would run through a wall for the club, be happy and feel privileged to get say £5k a week sitting rotting in the reserves waiting to go and grab his chance at St Johnstone or Falkirk.
Sorry about that lol, as I said I could moan about this ALL day long :)

20 Oct 2013 22:10:19
HaHA, I'm a donkey! I thought alternative reply meant I did'nt agree with the op . jeez hope that's it sorted, cheers Ed {Ed007's Note - Yeah that's it now you nugget :) You just need to master logging in and replying at the same time now! Now you mention it I suppose that isn't very clear (or maybe I'm just trying to make you feel better!)}

20 Oct 2013 11:10:02
Morning Ed007, @ Dmahn, only my opinion bud, but I think pukki is a waste of money, mcgeogh for me can hold onto the ball longer and get more from him also pukki is'nt strong enough on the ball, we need to have more faith in our youngsters, if we can't give them game time now ( next year. ) they won't get game time when rangers are back playing us regular again . Stokes will be a big miss if he's allowed to go .Next year in my eyes will be crucial sammy could go commons age?, forster, efe and vvd could be off and we're back to square one again. Building a new team with rangers joining us the following year, I don't think we can afford the same plan e.g buy for the future, I trust in lennon, no so sure about the board how they allocate the finances, anyway need to prepare brunch the bears( Pardon the pun ) are up and about . {Ed007's Note - The problem is that our fans see a youth player being promoted as a sign the board is being stingy and holding back money, they would rather brag about the money the club spends than brag about the players we produce and how good our academy is. They would much rather see a foreigner coming in that cost £2/3 million than see a youth player promoted, it's a nonsense IMO.
The pressure heaped on any youngster by our own support is ridiculous at times, they aren't allowed any time to settle in the team, grow as a player and learn from any mistakes they make, if a player makes a mistake that causes a goal or a defeat it his held against him for years and used as a branch to beat him any time fans talk about him or even the next time he makes a simple mistake.
It is what wasted McGeady as a player, the fear of being lambasted made him afraid to try new things which made him become stale by only sticking to the easy stuff he done well.
Is this possibly the same reason Forrest is so divisive amongst our supporters as well? If he beats two men, hits the bye-line and puts in a poor cross he is chastised for the cross rather than applauded for beating two players and encouraged to do it again and try to put in a better cross. I have had many a moan about him myself but my main point is he hasn't progressed and became the player I hoped or expected him to become, a lot of that is down to the shackles put on him by his fear of failure in front of what can be a very unforgiving at times support, so just like McGeady he is starting to become stale and stick to doing the simple stuff and is scared to go out and express himself on the park.
I think at this stage of his career Forrest should be running amok for us in the No.10 position, especially in the SPFL. He could be working at doing the job Lubo done so well for us, but his self-confidence and the weight of expectation has stopped his progression.
CFC have some of the best young talent in Europe but sadly I would say 99% of them will end up moving on and never realising their their true potential, or at least not at CFC. The ideal scenario for me would be having 12-15 high quality regular first team players in our squad that have came through our own system with 5/6 top quality signings being brought in and the rest of the squad made up by the next batch of youth players. That would allow the squad to progress smoothly and naturally as each season passes and without too much disruption to the squad. It will never happen though, not as long as fans infatuation with transfer fees and money continues.
I have heard fans moaning, and it is said in the media as well, about 'scraping the barrel' for Bosman signings as well although I think we have done fantastic with regards to our Bosman signings over the last few years. How many people frowned upon signing Ledley because he didn't cost millions and look at the player we got, or Matthews, both these players had a chance to sign for EPL clubs and Ledley had offers from abroad, even some of our own fans were of the opinion they must be poor if the choose to come to CFC, in the then SPL, and we didn't spend millions on them.
That's my Sunday sermon for the day :) Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.}

Ths. Agree with you 100%. I've posted a number of times on this subject.

20 Oct 2013 00:07:16
I wonder if Hooper is regretting moving to Norwich. He doesn't play much and when he does he looks totally lost. I don't think he got a kick today against Arsenal.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Maybe getting found out? Norwich looking good for going down this season

I'm sure he's happy enough . Not really that concerned, he plays for a very average team in an over hyped league. We had Wanyama on tv yesterday speaking of his love for Celtic .A bit like saying you love your wife but your'e going to sh@g the ole cheap hooker down the road

Hes been injured he was left out one game the week before internationals.

its to early to say its a mistake. and to be fair aresnal are pretty good this season better players than hooper will struggle against them

Peter Cardiff

No one can say a bad word against Gary Hooper. A true legend. Best since Larsson. A gentleman, never a bad word against the club. I'd have him back in a heartbeat but wish him a long and very successful career.
Most so called legends gave us one year only or maybe two. Gary gave us four.

Kind of agree but he could have done the decent thing and signed a deal to get us more money same as petrov a true legend

@4 . Are you at the wind up . Gary Hooper legend . Seriously . Lisbon Lions, Mcgrain, Henrik, Mcgrory I could go on . But Hooper? . DH

@6 some people will regard hooper a legend some will say bangura purely because they wore the hoops (are they wrong?)for me hooper was a good player many better & many worse than him.
Jim

@6) they talk of dicanio, cadette, van hoiydonk, hartson, sutton, and that ilk as legends, well Hooper did better than them.

@8 di canio and cadete legends?
Possibly hoijdonk was there longer and scored the goal to win us our first cup in a while. How did hooper do better than Sutton and hartson?
Hartson and Sutton are legends in my eyes not hooper

Better than Sutton? I DON'T THINK SO!

Chris was, well, Sutton else! {Ed007's Note - Sutton Special.}