Celtic Banter Archive November 27 2013

27 Nov 2013 23:25:53
Wow the jokers of gb come out with a statement and pretty much says screw who ever is against us we are doing what we won't. They say it was about football and Celtic but forgot to say they make up thier own rules as to how it is related and it is right cause Celtic fans get jailed.
No longer like them, it is clear they will not change and continue to use our club and our great nights on the European stage to state thier beliefs.

Guess these people are too stupid and lazy to come up with thier own ways of getting the word out and actually work hard to achieve something. Instead they have to use our club as a quick way because they are persons! These people are jokers and just wish to stir up trouble for our club to satisfy thier own means and they don't care what happens to the club but state it is for the freedom of our club and the clib should be ashamed bla bla bla. They sit on thier high horse thinking they run the show and do it with arrogence. I say no more chances and now time to shut them down and kick them out!
I have supported Celtic long before thier shiat brigade was there so I say we protest against them because from there statement you get the feeling like no one will stop what they are going to do, well 55000 and many more around the world can. They are of no importance and they way they go about sending out messages dosent help thier cause. Get them out!

Get them out no more!

28 Nov 2013 13:09:35
Think its a pity how this has panned out when the gb started I really thought they brought a great atmosphere to celtic park when it was really lacking and their intentions were for the right reasons these days it just seems they believe in their own hype and think they are that important actually know I guy that's part of them used to be cracking laugh and loved going to the games with him nowadays when you try to talk to him about anything to do with celtic its a nightmare you actually feel yourself getting talked down to as if your an inferior fan even though I was going to see the hoops years before him lol and that seems to be the impression I get with the gb they think they're superior to the rest of us I've got to be honest I think its time they got brought back to reality and realised they ain't all they think they are. whether that happens or not is another matter

@op, the green brigade have been there way before your time my friend, just maybe not called the green brigade. And time for them to go? Time for you to go mate, you are one single little saddo, the gb are the heart and soul of the stadium, ., .kbarry

How are the GB the heart and soul of the stadium before they got a corner you wouldn't know where they were.
And of the GB av seen they won't have been gon to the games longer than me there mostly young guys.
Do you want to see celtic getting in trouble because of them? Do you think we should tell uefa, FIFA to f*ck off? What would we get for that?

Kbarry, telling me to go? A true honest supporter that loves the club with my TRUE heart and soul that never miss a match and gets up at 5am to watch the games. In your mind thier is no room for me (I guess I am bad for the club eh? Cause I don't support gb thoughts?) but there is room for a group of people who cause problems for the club just to satisfy thier own wants, thinking they speak for everyone. I have supported them and do like them but now it is getting too much after the club tried to work with them just for them to lie to the club and not lisen time over. Many fines now and bad light put on our club, if you loved the club and not only gb, you would be mad they are doing this. It seems that you may be part of it, so tell me why must they use our club and not come up with other ways of getting the word out? Seems realy lazy to me and proves they don't truly care about it because I never hear anything from them.
Only time you hear something is when they use bad publicity in which they have to make a statement defending it and have to explain how they won't back down and the club is wrong and dived the fans. Celtic was formed to bring people together not divid the people like gb is doing, maybe if gb was a true "heart and soul(as you say)" of the club they would know how to go about being positive and doing it the right way. Maybe they should follow and study Celtic a wee bit more and learn from the club.

You can stand us up at the gates of hell, and we won't back down, far too many pc supporters at paradise these days, ., .kbarry

Why should the supporters listen to the board, when the board don't listen to the supporters?, ., .kbarry

@6, 7, A question I would like to aske you and your pal's in the GB, if the trouble's started in Ireland again how many of you would go and carry a gun, it's easy standing shouting about it, half 0f you people don't know anything about the trouble's but are willing to shout your mouth of about it and put Celtic in trouble, it's simple you and the GB have crossed the line once again, many supporter's do not want to listen to what you are saying, we are there to watch CELTIC
Tambhoy {Ed007's Note - There are too many people at CP each week to watch the GB rather than the game, as if it is some Irish night at the Barrowlands. If people in other areas showed their vocal support their would be no need for an organised 'singing section'. I used to sit in the 'snobby seats' in the South Stand and sang until I was hoarse every week. The fans are relying on the GB to generate an atmosphere, why not help generate it? I'm not aiming this at you Tam but it seemed the best post to bring it up on, sorry if you think I'm having a pop at you in particular.
If these people moaning about the GB were helping to produce an atmosphere rather than sit there waiting to be 'entertained' while they eat their half time chips or waiting on the game to start are partly to blame for this problem arising. All this BS about 'Oh what a display by the GB today', I thought people went to watch the football and cheer on the team on the park, not sit and watch the game as the GB play in the background like some background music.
I think it is actually embarrassing that we need this 'singing section' at all. Man Utd, the biggest football club in the world are taking dogs abuse from smaller clubs fans because they are introducing a singing section, I think it says a lot more about the people that go to matches these days. Then we have the celebrity and part-timers who turn up for a big game just so they can brag in the office they were at the CL match, they got complimentary tickets but that will be it for the season for them.
Football is not the social occasion it once was, that is the sad truth in it all.
Celtic Park should be a 60,000 singing section EVERY game.}

@8 Let me say right now ed, I agree with everything you have said, my gripe with the GB is they are putting Celtic in the mire with their political banner's. I have moved my seat to the other end of the stadium and believe me the GB are not as noisy as they appear to be when you are next to them, something I was suprised about to be honest, I could actually hear the Aberdeen supporter's better, like you I believe the whole stadium should be singing Celtic song's, it will maybe help the team more. No offence taken ed.
Tambhoy {Ed007's Note - Cheers Tam. I agree with you over the banners etc, it is only bringing problems for the club, problems we can do without. Guidelines need to be laid down and adhered to or the club and the GB will need to face the consequences, which could even lead to their section being closed. That would be a shame but if they won't follow rules there has to be some punishment. Knowing our board they will make a stand for the rest of the season for meaningless league games but 'peace' will break out if we get to the SC final.}

@8 tommyboy, answer is: can't speak/answer for GB but my honest single manned answer is yeah yeah yeah, every one of my foreathers and me are irish, I've seen it all(almost) gran, aunties, uncles and cousins destraught as my own family members have been murdered. Never forgive never forget, hope that answers your wee question(or are you doubting, thomas), ., .kbarry

@10 the only doubt I have is about your love for Celtic, never once have I said I do not want a united Ireland, what I have said this is costing Celtic money and who know's could end up in us being expelled from europe, as I have said in a previous post I am sorry for the losses your family has had in the trouble's and you are correct never forgive, never forget, but parkhead is not the place.
I myself have had a traumatic experience in the North but t6hink the ede would edit it for legal reasons.
Tambhoy

27 Nov 2013 21:48:01
Posted without to finishing.
You say he should not talk about the banners and say how it is bad but to go on and say sorry. You do know that our game was viewed across the world right? Wake the f up! I would be ashamed if he didn't say we don't allow this and are not apart of it right away! That is the more important thing as it is our reputation that is at stake.
What is with you and others? No wonder why you don't understand lawell cause you don't see the bigger picture and you just focuss like the green brigade on your own self centred thoughts while he is looking after the club and it is far more important to say something about banners and the personS ruining our clubs name then some small matter of your feelings.
Yes he is not perfect and living ways and other things have been bad or the wrong way.
Can't believe people having a go at him cause he won't take a small non important thing like proving rangers are dead, ya we all know they stole from everyone and we lost out on a lot but given everything we know about spl sfa uefa they don't care. What about lawell and all these partnerships for charities from Africa to close to home? Ppl forget that quickly enough and this is what our club was formed for. {Ed007's Note - Come on is it that hard to tag posts or register a nickname lads? I have no idea what post this is related to and have better things to do with my time than go looking for it. You took the time to make a well written post but wasted it and made it pointless because nobody knows what you are talking about. I was just going to delete this but you have obviously put time and effort into it so if people can work it out then it it's up to them.}

To anon poster, if your post is related to mine below (WTbhoy) then you have focused on the banner aspect, which was not the point of my post, nor the reason why I felt the need to post.
My point was that Lawell is ignoring the fans and diluting what makes us special by ignoring many aspects that are important to us, and simply focusing on pound signs. If you feel the need to attack someone over the green brigade then go find someone else to vent your anger at, as I do not support their actions.
As for your mention about Peter's charity work - he did not invent this type of giving as we as a club have been doing this since we were formed. In the charitable respect, this is down to the celtic family and peter is not the sole responsible person at parkhead making donations!
I certainly hand him credit for all that he has done and improved for us since he has arrived, however (here comes the point of the post you missed. ) he has become too big for his boots and does not always have our best interests at heart.
Hail Hail
WTbhoy

Sry Ed it was part of something and got posted before finishing and thought would still be part of it. Thnx for saying t was its a good point, all that without retreading lol, sry again Ed.

Wtbhoy think it was you, I do get your point I was just poi ting out how you said it was more important to say sry to fans and not the banner statement. Which I was stating the banner is more important thing to address. No anger at you Bhoy, maybe too fed up with the green brigade that a lil heated in your post lol.

I don't have a problem with the banner or the point trying to be made, although I don't share the same views on such a historic day in this country I think it was a rellevant point, however celtic park is'nt the place to make such a statement, as it gives the message that this is the feelings of all supporters, just as the f.b banner displayed in amsterdam which simply is'nt the case. So please g.b get back to supporting the team for footballing reasons and leave the political stance well away from the club and stadium. How can you continue to damage what you claim to love
HHThommyj

27 Nov 2013 19:35:23
Hi ed good work as usual.2 points guys, big Sammy we mostly disagree on him luv him or hate him. But more importantly for a footballer he does exactly what HE wants rather than what he should do. That's simply not good enough I and a TEAM game. Other point is that disappoints me is our 4 defenders for me are our MOST creative players on the park.VVD Ambrose when they stride forward because havoc aswell as in opp box. Lustig and Izzy get past players and put crosses in that don't hit 1st defender. Can anyone remember Forrest doing that or Dirk( granted 1st game in a while) other midfielders create nothing and forwards can't score.Thoughts guys.

I fined it shocking how some said in thier post that izzy should be gone when he had a great game for us. He looked really good just a couple of crosses were off.
Don't get how people are not into Borg for he has quality all over him and beat every Milan player on his side and did some great crosses. He is going to be a great player for us and can't wait to see him in our cl games again.

27 Nov 2013 19:19:37
Like some of you I have been very critical of the club over the transfer activity this year. Others said, "Shut up and support the team."
For the record, I have done nothing but support the team since I was a child. I attend matches at every opportunity which is not always easy when you have a hectic business to run. I have made numerous financial contributions to the club and it's affiliated charities over the last 15 years (totalling somewhere in the region of £15000-£20000 overall). I was a season ticket holder for many years and paid up promptly every season even when my opportunity to attend games was limited because I wanted to show my support in a financial sense when I couldn't do so in person. I have done everything in my power to persuade others to attend matches. I have encouraged two nephews to become Celtic fans since their childhood years. I am a die hard fan who is addicted to Celtic FC and everything it stands for and I think I am entitled to say, I AM TOTALLY P*SSED OFF AT THE BOARD FOR THEIR PENNY-PINCHING ATTITUDE IN EVERY TRANSFER WINDOW.
This season's CL campaign (if you can call it that) has been nothing short of disgraceful. But it was also totally predictable. We are struggling in many domestic games and Morton kicked us out of the Cup.
For reasons beyond my comprehension James Forrest is allowed to remain a part of our first team squad and players like Pukki, Balde and Stokes are supposed to be our saviours and the mainstay of our striking force. If Sevco had them I'd be laughing for a month.
Those of you who wear rose-tinted spectacles can think what you like because I, for one, am not at all pleased with the squad. I am not pleased with Lenny's approach to team selection and I am not at all please with the Board. And I think I am entitled to say that.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

ChrisBhoy agree with everything you said. I was hugely critical of the board and our rigid and closed policy. Selling Wanyama was the killer for me then to buy second rate players well that was is just madness. Oh a guy who I probably posted ten to one over the past two years also told me to take a rubbish out of my face so at that level of banter I decided not to participate but your pained and honest post deserves some replies. Sopotcelt.

ChrisBhoy, that is a well put together post and I must say I agree with every point you've raised.
Hail Hail
WTbhoy

@chrisbhoy didn't you say in a previous post that youd been to CP(paradise)about 60 times? If that's all, that's not that much really, what age bracket are you in 25/30 35/40?. Considering you, ve raised £15/20k for the club(charities?) i'd of thought you would have toured CP(trophy room etc) before now? Cheers mate and I agree you have the right to speak your mind. , .kbarry

Kbarry, for your information:
1). My age is none of your business and neither is my reason for the number of games l have attended.
2). I didn't raise the money. It came from my own pocket.
3). What is the relevance of whether l have been on a stadium tour before?
4). Any more questions?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

@4 chris. No point as you don't really answer my questions do you. I was just asking a simple question bud, of why have you only attended 60 games although you made up for it by donating £20k(20 thousand pound)to the club just wondering it must be age related or something. at a guess I must have been at cp 600 times or so. Cheers, ., .kbarry

@4 chris. You "supported the team since childhood" had a season ticket "for many years" and to my calculations youve took from your own pocket £1000/£1250 every year for the past 15 years, and been to cp maybe for 3 seasons worth? Just a wee bit hard to believe that's all bud, ., .kbarry

Then don't believe it. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Now move along.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Chris your a wee dreamer, ., .kbarry

27 Nov 2013 19:00:22
Well well the wonderful green brigade shame us again these persons when will they be banned no place in football for political statement s and no place in football for the gb yes when they started it was great added some atmosphere but now too big for their boots these people think they are celtic now

27 Nov 2013 18:01:45
Celtic Park is no place for Political or Ideological banners. For a start it's against the regulations. I've said it before these guys cost the club tens of thousands with tasteless banners, the club should bill them directly. Their seat numbers are known. Therefore their addresses and credit card details are known.
The 99% majority of us are sick of it, we don't give a t@ss or sympathise with any of it. My football club has nothing to do with Irish Politics and anyone bringing it to a game IS OUT OF ORDER.

Spot on

@op and 1 Speak for yourselves, yous aren't 99% of us? And by the way there have always been irish politics associated with our club, ., .kbarry

27 Nov 2013 16:35:23
I have taken my time before posting, in case I posted in anger.
First of all well done to ACMilan, a team supposedely in the doldrums. I cannot believe how many of our fans keep falling for these "out of form stories" sadly I think some of our players fell for the stories also.
One good thing, if such a thing exists, is that we did not qualify even for the Europa League, that would have just papered over the cracks.
No we DO NOT DESERVE to be in Europe anymore as our form, even in qualifying, was poor Karagandy?
Last night I hope did one thing, it showed our board that a lack of investment in the squad is the wrong way to go. They seem happy just to qualify for group stages, take the £20m prize money and do nothing, and if, as a bonus, they can sell one or two players for big fees so much the better.
Lennon does not escape criticism either, but no sacking him is not the answer, but he must stop picking his own favourites Mulgrew, Forrest, Sammy, Izzy etc.
I honestly believe that given time, the rest of this season, the likes of Biton, Pukki, Balde, Boerighter will become valuable players next season, and I hope the young Icelandic player proves an astute signing. Our captain Brown must learn lessons from this season, keep the passion but cut out the petulant stuff.
It is obvious we need a 20 goal a season striker and this must be Lawwell's priority. Also a creative midfield player ala Lubo. Even if to fund these players we need to move on players, take your pick, Forrest, Mulgrew, Izzuigerre, Samaras (fed up with his blowing hot and cold attitude )
like other fans I want to see our promising young players getting more of chance.
Our roller coaster ride continues on Sunday, with a tough cup tie away, let us soar to the top, after our doldrums yesterday. Come on you bhoys in green. Hail hail Timalloy

Sitting on the fence there Timalloy on too many issues. Weak post.
About five first team guys need moved on. Immediately.
The new guys don't deserve much longer to come good.
Lennon needs a rocket from the board.
Money from sales to bring in two expensive carefully selected £5m-£7m guys.
SEVCO have it right, if they don't perform clear them out. Ruthless no room for sentimentality. Samaras, mulgrew, ledley, Pukki, balde, Kayal, Stokes ciao a tutti as they say in Milan.

Tim, I’m still annoyed about the Morton result!

Its not being out of the Champions League that bothers me so much, it's the manner. No investment from the board and a poor, terrible attitude performance in the games against Ajax and Milan. Brown also won't escape criticism for kicking out, you do not give a referee a decision like that to make at this level.

We have played 5 CL games and scored 2 goals, one a penalty and one a deflection. Agreed, we do not deserve to go through.

I think Forrest, Izzy and Samaras all have something in their locker but for some reason we only get glimpse of it every now and again. Is the Manager to blame, the players attitude? – I just don't know but time is running out for them. Would Mulgrew have been better at Centre Half last night and Ambrose in midfield? Ambrose is more creative however Mulgrew does not have the pace of Ambrose and would have been caught out by their forward players if he was up the park

Playing with one upfront in a must win CL game and Sammy.

I’m with you Tim, cannot believe that amount of fans that thought Milan or Ajax were in the doldrums. Yes, they are not the teams they were but neither are we. Kaka still oozes quality.

I know the GB have a point to make about this farcical Act the SNP have brought in but I would have much rather have seen a banner like the one Milan fans had last weekend making their feelings known about their teams recent poor domestic performance. We are Celtic supporters first and foremost, the political stuff has to come second (in my humble opinion anyway).

I stand by my 'angry' post earlier and think the board have reaped what they have sown by selling BIG and buying small and then telling us 'qualification for the CL is the main achievement'. What's next ; settling for a top 3 place in the SPL FFS?
Celtic's European reputation was not built on qualification and finishing bottom of the group!
They have shown complacency since Rangers died and the standards are way below what is expected.
As for the manager and his band of un-droppable under achievers who have been named above.
Neil Lennon is the easiest manager the board could have picked as his heart belongs to Celtic and he would do the job for nowt.
He will not argue or throw a wobbler and let's his 2 best players be sold and then be replaced with diddies.
This team show week in week out that they have trouble with basic control, crosses, passes and shots.
Mjallby was a great defender but this team loses soft goals every single week against any opposition!
The manager and his assistants are failing to get the best out of them.
Finally we are now left playing for The Domestic Double with a tricky tie at the Anus of Edinburgh.
Are you all confident?


JJ

To Mrs E, with regards to the green brigade if celtic don't do something about them I can see celtic being banned from europe if they persist in using celtic park for their political beliefs.I was annoyed with their h block banner on saturday as well as last nights.There will a come a time when eufa will say enough is enough, fines are not working so perhaps a ban may deter them from flaunting their political beliefs.As a lifetime celtic fan I hate the unwanted headlines in the press and i'm sure many others feel the same, for as we all know the scottish media love nothing more than a banner headline.
So please celtic make it known in no uncertain that this has to stop.jimbhoy.

@ 3). Lenny wouldn't do the job for nowt. Trust me.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

28 Nov 2013 19:04:34
at Jim,
I had posted this yesterday before I seen the headlines about the UEFA investigating.

I really do not agree with this Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act but I feel than same Jim, its football first!

I can see folk having a go at Celtic on twitter but who is it that's to pay the fines, it sure as hell isn't any of these motor mouth folk having a pop at the Club. Say what you like about and William Wallace but they would not be expecting someone else to pay a fine for them.

Its this way they assume every supporter feels the same as them, Peter Lawwell has the bigger picture to think about. If he had come out yesterday and said - 'we fully support any political stance made at Celtic Park and will pay any fine levied at the Club (incidentally Season Tickets are going up next season to cover the cost)'. There would be a serious backlash by the supporters that are there to see football.

The GB do not speak for me or quite a lot of supporters. By all means feel free to sing what you want, protest as well but can you please at least offer to pay the fines!

27 Nov 2013 14:04:51
Its time for Lennon to stand up to the board to pay that bit more for better quality. Its incredible that for what they paid for 2 squad players Pukki and Balde they could have had Finnbogason 14 goals in 11 games this season. He said himself he was never approached. The board were just scared by the 5.5mill asking price. This is where WGS lost the respect of a lot of fans by not fighting the board more over the 3 or 4 hundred grand shortfall in our offer for Fletcher. The last thing we want is John Park to feel his recommendations aren't being pursued.

Must agree marky think lenny to much of a yes man, which suits this board.Needs to stand up to them more or walk away if lose to hearts in scottish cup should be all over maybe taken this team as far as he can .meagle tim

Oh behave please! You have to remember that Balotelli cost double what our full starting line up cost, we have to realistic. Lennon is the right man for us, getting to the CL is good for the money we have so don;t blame Lenny. We competed but that class that costs a lot of money is missing just now

27 Nov 2013 16:26:45
@2, by your reasoning we should be beating spl teams by 3or4 every week and should stand out in class, I go to every home game , I can assure you its the same old stuff somethings not right, could another manager pruduce better flowing attractive football, I dare say he could, players make the mistakes, managers pick the players, could it be nl has'nt learned from his mistakes, team and subs I don't know . Ps could jackie mac be our next manager Ths.

Ths.

Jackie Mac is certainly doing his chances no harm at all with less money and arguably a better back-room staff.
OK the expectation at Celtic is a totally different matter (as Mowbray found out) but United are playing the kind of football that Celtic fans expect to see.

JJ

27 Nov 2013 21:28:37
@(4) jj, neil lennon has done a remarkable job concidering it's his first managerial job but if that's his and john parks targets we've signed i'm dissapointed, his next signings need to be spot on or i'm afraid he could be on his way, gordon strachan has changed how scotland are playing with the same personnel, j mac would suit the board in as much that he might less wages and not be to demanding, just a thought

27 Nov 2013 11:04:23
James forrest is a waste of a jersey how many games has he made an impact on this season domestic and Europe would punt him in January because I think he is woeful and u can tell 5 mins into a game if he is going to produce anything

Not a forrest fan but the same can be said for Samaras
Tambhoy

Agree that james is going back the way now seems like all our youth believe they have hit the big time another one to bite the dust why was he in nightclub when he was supposed to be injured anyway

Totally agree! Promising talent is not he rarely delivers anything positive

27 Nov 2013 10:25:10
@FACKilltheBill: Feeling massive pride in the Celtic family this morning. Saturday's bucket collection for the Amsterdam Legal Defence Fund came to £26280!

@FACKilltheBill: The donations already collected came to £13215.66. The fund now stands at £39495.66. An incredible total - thankyou to every one of you!

Would just like to say a big well done and thank you goes out to anyone who donated. Celtic's continued silence however is still deafening. Time for the club to go "look, we've let the entire support down this season so far, especially The Dam Bhoys, we'll double that legal fund" but one can only dream!

27 Nov 2013 09:53:52
Well that's it for another year, now, for the rest of this season get the youngsters out there and give them a chance . let's not worry about this go all season without a defeat nonsense, blood some boys and let them learn, let the other mob kid themselves on with all that undefeated rubbish they are spouting, so we lose a few games, so what . Far better in the long run to bring some guys on and reap the rewards of that

Couldn't agree more. JC

If they are not them, why do we give them credance, they are no more, stop bringing THEM into these debate's
Tambhoy