Celtic Banter Archive October 16 2013

16 Oct 2013 21:40:20
Mather's exit followed a double embarrassment for himself and the Rangers board earlier in the week.

They were forced to publish amendments to weekend statements which suggested former director Dave King had been lined up as chairman and would lead a new fundraising bid.

Rangers released a follow-up statement to the London Stock Exchange claiming that King's position would be on the football club board, chairing the company formerly known as Sevco Scotland, and not the plc board, which has been without a chairman since Walter Smith stepped down.

No board place=no King=no new money= no hope, abandon ship.

P Murray has repeatedly asked for Mathers to stand down, he's done so. P Murray must take full responsibility for the current leaderless shambles.
Sally must hate P Murray as he's driven away Sally's favourite, Mathers.

P Murray has delivered an immense faux pas. His court action and demand Mathers stands down has now risked the chance of DK being involved. Mathers has stood down and his words with King are history.
King was never with Murray.
Murray May have viewed King as a threat to his agenda with McColl and the two others. King stated he was acting solo.

16 Oct 2013 14:58:03
It now seems that contrary to the latest line of lies emanating from the Lance Armstrong Arena that their "manager" has in fact not taken ANY reduction in his contracted wages and bonuses. Has any other brand new football club ever had a wage bill as high as RIFC or had so many snouts in such a bountiful trough?
I would also like to urge that every Celtic shareholder attends the AGM and helps to push through the motion to call in UEFA to investigate the putrid SFA and their rule-breaking regarding Sevco plus the motion that Celtic becomes a Living Wage employer. Unlike that shower of criminals and cheats across the city, we as fans will not stand by and be rode roughshod by the board, we stood and faced the old board and won and Peter Lawwell should be made aware that we will do the same again if required.

Never Forget, Never Forgive.

Do you honestly think Uefa will give 2 f*cks if one team complains against the Rangers, they probably dnt give a f*ck about the game in Scotland 1 little bit and won't be interested waisting money on an investigation in to our small time game. The full the rangers situation happened to the whole of Scotish football not just us. An investigation would hold a lot more weight if other teams wer involved instead of us just looking bitter. Am not saying we should forget and forgive but get some backing from others.
What grudges would lennon hold against Rasmussen or balde

Last part wasnt for same post

I don't think anyone is surprised anymore about McCoist is bleeding his Club bone dry lol

UEFA or FIFA to investigate our governing body for acting immorally, the upstanding moral UEFA and FIFA. What does anyone hope to get out of this, Stewart Regan's job? Football cleansed, do me a favour! Do you think Abromovich or closer to home Romanov are squeaky clean, there's a warrant out of Romanov's arrest for goodness sake! But does this all bother the ever vigilant Celtic fan trying to drive a rift in our support, of course it doesn't. The agenda is RFC and RFC alone.

What if they tell Celtic there's no case to answer which Peter Lawwell has already indicated and before we hear that PL must be in on it, there is no evidence of collusion is there? We will be on the back page of quite a few newspapers tarred with the same brush as RFC and it will be embarrassing. Gordon Strachan is the Scotland Manager is he is in cahoots with the SFA over Rangers as well?

As for the fear factor some have latched onto, you cannot sit in your house with your keyboard and demand someone else put themselves and their family in a state of fear or open themselves up to abuse. That is not on at all. If it is the case that nobody wants to complain due to the previous threatening behaviour, we do not have the right to demand Celtic employees make themselves vulnerable to threats again.

Fergus took on the SFA over Jorge Cadete but not out of paranoia or assumptions, he used cold hard facts. Celtic complained to UEFA over Sion but again cold hard facts. Both were directly Club related. Rangers were voted into the SFL by the member Clubs, Celtic were nothing to do with that.

Of course something stinks throughout it all, its called money. ~ Mrs E

I take it the UEFA you are chastising in your opening is the same UEFA that you are championing for finding in our favour against Sion. The cold hard facts are there for everyone to see regarding RIFC and the SFA's collusion and for any Celtic fan to accept this just shows how far our support has slipped to become consumers rather than true supporters. Nobody is accusing Strachan of anything and to suggest that is actually absurd, what about Campbell Ogilvie though, can the same be said about him? Why should we take the word of Peter Lawwell, a man who is happy to sign off on multi-million pound contracts but won't pay girls in the stores or ticket office a living wage. Lawwell has proven time and time again that he only sees all supporters as customers to make money from. He is a leech on our club and it is time that he was forced to realise that the club belongs to us shareholders. Will you be backing the board at the AGM Mrs E, even against the club employing a Living Wage for all employees? What Celtic employees will open themselves to threatening behaviour by doing their job, their job is to do what the shareholders decide, or should they just use that as an excuse for sitting on their arses doing nothing? If they are going to just roll over and accept things for fear of upsetting people then they have no right to be on our board. There are far too many hand wringers attached to our club, people need to remember that if we had all sat and agreed with the old board we wouldn't have a club to follow today. That's the difference, we knew what the final outcome would be and we didn't need to cheat, lie or steal to stay in the game. As Fergus McCann once said "You cannot change the minds of the mindless. But that doesn't mean you just admit that's the way we have to live."


Never Forget, Never Forgive.

With Mathers leaving so does his private conversations in South Africa with DK surely?
Also it was stated that the London stock exchange reps of the club advised DK could not be a director of the Plc. Did this mean DK pulled out with his money? Hence Mathers has no dosh going forward? So offski.

Forget the back pages. Let's get it on the front pages. Some newspapers printed the story but STV 6pm news didn't give it an ounce of publicity as it damages sfasevco more than Celtic fans.
Don't forget this is Celtic fans NOT the club.

Che, I agree with your post. What other industry has such a gap in pay structure other than football? One guy kicks a ball around in our latest strip and get's paid millions, whilst the megastore assistant who sells the same strip to the willing buyer gets next to hee haw?Have Celtic forgot why our football club was formed in the first place, to assist the more deserving of our communities? Don't get me wrong, Celtic have an excellent track record with their work within the community and have an excellent charity foundation (which as far as I know, we have never "deferred" payment to) but come on, pay the staff what they deserve, they're not asking for much really.
As for that rotting pile of garbage across the city, they will most probably survive all this shenanigans and get back to the prem, but I must ask all decent Celtic supporters, would you set foot back in that midden, let alone pay them for the experience? Not me, no way!

@3 So Mrs E, do we just sit back and let this shower get away with their lie's, I seem to remember post's from your good self berating them for their lie's, have you changed your mind then, so we just lie down and let them carry on, no I don't think so, for too long they have abused the system in this wee country, it's now time for people to stand up and be counted, if Peter feel's that he is afraid to see this motion through, let him resign ( and this from someone who has been his staunchest supporter over the year's) and let someone who is not afraid to face the truth into his position, at the end of the day I don't care if a NEW Rangers come to the fore but I want the truth to come out, it will not with the people of the S.F.A or indeed the media of Scotland
Tambhoy

I did not champion UEFA as such, it was their competition Celtic were participating in therefore that's who would hear the complaint regarding 5 ineligible Sion players. What if we can get UEFA and FIFA to look at the SFA and they find no wrongdoing what next, boycott CL football?

What makes you assume Fergus (who was booed by the Celtic support) would agree with RFC and the SFA splitting our support like this? Do you think when Fergus took over at Celtic he never looked across the City and did not know RFC were overspending and cheating, do you think he could not read their accounts? It was not his concern and let's face it, he had no intention of ever matching that spending. When Fergus was at Celtic he was booed, an apology from these fans would be a start never mind calls for a stand to be named after him. Fergus stood up for Celtic and I've no evidence that Peter Lawwell doesn't do what's in the best interests of the Club either. Same as Fergus, no matter how unpopular it makes him.

Quite an astonishing attack on the Club there Che, you will have to ask those employees of the Club regarding their wages and contract conditions, not sure what this has to do with UEFA though. The Club might adopt The Living Wage, fans demand profits are made from merchandise, matchday ticket sales etc so there's player investment. The reality is the Club need to find a balance, something that is not always just that 'simple'. Can you imagine the Staff are paid more but merchandise and ticket sale profits go down, unfortunately there are fans that would start moaning about that.

From 14th Feb 2012, who would have thought all this eh?

This is not a fear of simply just upsetting folk, its a fear of getting bullets in the post and abused in the street while out with your family. A big difference! But it you think that's okay to ask someone else to do that while you sit about unaffected then that's the opinion you are quite entitled to have, I just don't agree.

The new Rangers were admitted to Scottish Football due to the size of support and the money that generates, you would have to live under a rock to think otherwise. UEFA & FIFA will also know this is the reason and i'm 99% sure will have no issue with it. I quite argee it does not make it right but doesn't make it very wrong either. Its certainly put the Ramsden Cup on the map and made many an accountant and company law expert out of quite a few.

Yes, all this was amusing at the time but we are 20 months down the line now.

Just give us back football, the only UEFA I'm interested in is UEFA Champions League! ~ Mrs E

Sections of the Celtic support booed Fergus McCann, I wasn't any part of those sections, if you were and are comfortable with that then that is on your conscience though I can't see what that has to do with anything. You don't seem to be able to follow a particular line of thought as you are snatching random thoughts out the air and typing them. If my attack on the club's wage structure outside playing staff and executives astounds you then you really should widen your horizons and read what principals our club was founded on. So according you Peter Lawwell always fights in Celtic's corner, why don't you ask the Green Brigade about that, or the families of people getting their door kicked in over ONE song yet we have TV stations having to apologise for the singing at a Scottish Third division game, but let's not upset anyone just incase someone shouts at them in the street. Can I ask who was sent any bullets over anything to do with Rangers liquidation? If I was getting paid the amount of money Lawwell is I would happily put myself in the line of any abuse, that is why we have police officers, to protect and catch criminals, but they are too busy chasing a crowd of teenagers that Peter Lawwell and the club have identified for singing a song, that is really serving the best interests of Celtic and it's fans. In all that rubbish you have typed you still haven't answered my question on how you will be voting at the AGM in regards to the board's recommendations ?

Never Forget. Never Forgive.

@9 That is the argument Mrs E the NEW Rangers were allowed into the league, why don't the S.F.A admit they are a new team, why don't the Scottish media, you would not expect Rangers to come out and say they are a new team, would you, especially when they are being backed up by all and sundry, except the few who know that it is wrong, going by your logic that it is 20 months down the line we should just forget about it, I wonder if you said that after the Cadette affair which took a length of time to sort, anyone who think's there is no evidence of wrongdoing in this whole affair must be living under a rock as well, at the end of the day we should all want the truth to come out, and the people who caused all this with their lie's brought to book
Tambhoy

Tam, Peter Lawwell is also Dermot Desmond's puppet (for want of a better word). This is not just coming from him I wouldn't think.

I'm not sure where I've wrote about wanting justice for 'lies'. There are many injustices in this world, kids living in poverty is one. Celtic do a massive amount of charity work and I would rather concentrate on this than the injustice that is the Club over at Ibrox.

Do you think their fans are happy with where they are now, do you really believe raising the 3rd div flag was a massive occasion and not a painted on smile with a sinking feeling in the stomach? They are out in the wilderness for a few years ahead. Don't give them the joy of letting UEFA say there is no case to answer ~ Mrs E

PS - this is just my view, its okay to not agree but I just don't think i'll be changing my mind.

@13 Please believe me Mrs E I think all people should have an opinion and if I can't change your's so be it I'm not going to fall out with a fellow (is that the right word LOL) Celtic supporter regarding this, you stated it was splitting the Celtic support, if it is I believe it is a cause worth standing up for, why should they be allowed to proclaim to STILL be the most successful team in the world, all that is being asked is that the S.F.A through uefa, make it abundantly clear they are not the same team and indeed their old history and team are defunct. If Mr Keevins want's to spout his rubbish that there will be outright war about this, he should be questioned as to why he believe's this to be. Anyway c'mon the hoops
Tambhoy
Tam

I don't see why you won't change your mind Mrs E you seem to have changed it already.For months every post in here from you was about Sevco and now all of a sudden you think the club shouldn't back the fans in wanting their cheating investigated.That really makes sense lol I had you down as one of the decent posters in here but that attitude is terrible from a so called Celtic supporter.

Failure of the Celtic board to actually lead complaints on this issue to the SFA shows a real lack of moral courage.
Complaining is the right thing to do.
We were cheated by old RFC and the LNS report out of five titles. Taking the issue to the court of session for a sitting high court judge to over rule the LNS report is a simple thing to do. A judge previously over ruled LNS and established the court as having full supervisory powers over the SFA and it's rulings.
The failure of the SFA to clearly state new rangers are a new club and are starting with zero titles needs taking to court of session and UEFA. Any fans groups can chip in, get a QC and do it.
This is an intellectual issue. If Mrs E really got it she would be protesting outside the SFA similar to the wummin who spent decades at faslane. It's just wrong.

Since when does fighting for truth and honesty or fighting against injustice taint the protester? Quite the opposite.

Chip in for a QC and get the issues into court of session. I have a sneaky feeling internal politics with judges would get the LNS report binned as legally unsound.

Can anybody tell me why this has to be down to celtic to challenge? As I keep saying it happened to every other team in Scotland. A don't tell me every other team are the rangers fans without the bus fair, if that was true the new club would have started again In the top teir.

Tam its not the new or old Rangers that are being taken to task here, its the SFA and them alone. The worst that could happen is someone at the SFA might stand down with a lovely pay-off, same as Jim Farry which annoyed Fergus no end. Will you be happy with that?

I know you might be happy Tam but I suspect a few won't and this will run on.

Che as you've now started with insults the banter for me ends now, sorry. I guess you will never know the answer to your question and can start on Monkeybhoys reply to you which was 1st really. Goodnight ~ Mrs E

@17 the answer is simple monkeybhoy, there is no one else big enough to question it, remember it was stated that the club's only put the Rangers to where they are because their fan's demanded it, including Celtic, now is the time to push forward and bring the truth out to the world and indeed those people who still believe they are the people
Tambhoy

Well tambhoy if they listened to the fans then they would listen to the fans again. if the fans cared. But it only seems to be coming from some of our fans, why? We haven't been wronged anymore than Aberdeen who's fans hate The rangers as much as we do. If we take this to Uefa it will just look as if we are bitter.
If there isn't a collective of fans/clubs who take it to Uefa, am afraid it's pointless.

@19) the clubs are doing nothing. It's their fans but how to unite fans groups? Hibs, Aberdeen and Motherwell need to join Celtic fans as a start. They were strongly against SEVCO going straight into SPL. Wasn't there clubs screwed out of cup titles?

@18 Mrs E I realise that you don't wish to take part in the debate anymore because some people juust don't know how to conduct themselve's in debate, you anwer me now I will answer you, anyone who doe's not think this debate is about oldco/newco is kidding themselve's on, this is precisley why the motion has been made, to finally reach the truth, I sincerely hope I have not offended you Mrs E. At the end of the day we all have our opinion's
Tambhoy

No Tam, I’m not offended by you :-)

Our debating was just that, an opinion and a debate. Believe me nobody likes a good old debate other than me and I can be pretty staunch in my opinions (maybe a fault of mine) and I can be cynical but if you going to say its rubbish at least back it up with why. Of course this is about RFC and as you say, anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. With regards the Living Wage, I would like to see my own employer bring it in never mind Celtic who for me are a football team I support. I respect others who would like to see the Club they support bring this in but I do not feel that strongly and I’m not going to pretend I do. If that’s rubbish then so be it but for me, charity begins at home.

Why this RFC farce has made some of our fans turn on Celtic I will never know but thankfully it’s the minority and Tuesday will still be a sell out. RFC went bust as a result of financial mismanagement and they do have the black cloud of cheating due to the way a tax avoidance scheme was administered. Was the way the new Club allowed entry back in unprecedented, of course it was but does not make it wrong. The way Airdrie returned to the professional league by buying another Club and closing them down was also unprecedented but that bothered nobody except Bankies fans. Can you imagine Charles Green had done that oh ah.

Yeah I have joined in the banter of RFC’s demise but that does not mean I agree with Celtic FC asking UEFA to sort out the SFA. Particularly when its likely UEFA will tell them to away and dry their eyes ~ Mrs E

Does that mean if I start a football team tommorow then I should jump ahead of other teams right into the scottish leagues and remember my new club wouldn't have previous with cheating, bigotry etc? let's put them in them gallows that they claim to be highly built by them,, get em up against the wall, ., .kbarry

That's exactly it Kbarry, the SFA have now set a precedent and you no longer need to be an established Club to gain entry to the Professional leagues. ~ Mrs E