Celtic Banter Archive June 05 2014

05 Jun 2014 22:35:09
Could it be that our new manager to be, was picked up when we were looking at Johanson (spelling). If the reports coming back were how good the football their team was playing, then possibly they have re looked at who was the manager.

just a thought.

That seems to be the story, Lenny saying he was to come in as No2 when Big Dolph left in the news today.

Nice of him to tell us! Could've made a few bob!

05 Jun 2014 20:43:56
Ed with ronny looking likely do you think john park is being given more control and that is why we have ended up at ronny as none of the other candidates wanted their managerial duties diluted?it just seems strange to sign cg days before a manager is appointed.

{Ed007's Note - Could Park have any more power than he has already? That's why I can't see him leaving for Norwich, no other club would give him the power of influence he has at CFC.}

@ED; any idea just how much control he has? Surely the manager must have the final say on transfers? Having said that a few clubs do work with a buyer and a coach with both roles clearly defined.

{Ed007's Note - It seems that Lawwell trusted Park more than he did NL when it came to players.}

Do you consider Park's influence to be a bad thing Ed? I think he's one of our biggest assets

{Ed007's Note - I think Park is great at his job of finding players but the final decision on who gets signed should be down to the manager, it's his job that's on the line at the end of the day. Look at the shambles with Dalglish and Barnes, Barnes got sacked and Dalglish took over when both of them should have been hunted, the manager not having a say has been a major problem at Chelsea for years now and a lot of managers throughout Spain and Italy over the years have blamed their failures on not having control of who to buy and sell.}

I think if Deilia and Park have a very similar view on players, things could work out ok .

{Ed007's Note - Did you work that one out all by yourself? 10/10 for stating the bleeding obvious, Chris.}

Cheers ed, I personally think the club needs to be a lot clearer now about everyone's role in transfers. Did JP identify targets or did JP identify and sign players as it's fair to say he seems to get credit for wanyama hooper etc which is fine but what about balde pukki boerighter etc does that not tarnish him because NL took stick for them when perhaps he shouldn't have?

If JP is short listing and the adding to the squad he can't simply get the praise when it goes well and the manager gets it in the neck when the players are below standard. I guess we would all like a job like that!

06 Jun 2014 13:03:34
I think that was probably the case with Pukki and Balde with Park having the influence on them being signed as Lennon never didn't seem to have them in his plans particularly Blade who at best for most of the season was making cameo appearances from the bench

05 Jun 2014 19:21:59
A Manager we've never heard of from the Norwegian league and a goalkeeper that hasn't played in a wee while.

Both a gamble and I'm not sure where I stand on it all.

How do we judge Ronny (I keep saying Ronaldinho in my head) this season - league, CL qualification, EL qualification, treble?

05 Jun 2014 19:57:36
I refuse to berate or celebrate any manager until I have seen results over a decent period. As for Gordon a few years ago I would have taken him, if he's back great. With all, time will tell.

Giving the time frame he would have to work in if we get cl group stages i'd consider that a success,

PL had flown over to Norway to then fly back with Ronny!
Looks like it's happening Mrs E.
I'm also not sure what to make of it all?
I'm all for a new approach, looks like we could be getting it, just not in the way we thought it might happen!
No matter who the board appointed it was always going to be a gamble, given the way they are reluctant to release decent funds for decent players.
This is going to be a master stroke or a disaster, no in between! And I'd love for it to pan out amazingly.
John Collins is never a manager but similar to Clarke, a good coach, his knowledge on coerver coaching is unreal and it's the way forward, not the old guard tika taka :)
Hopefully they work together well if it turns out that way.

It's been a while since the fans have totally turned on the board, hopefully this isn't another, but when needs must!

I won't berate him Shuggy and most definitely wish him every success. I'm just apprehensive :-/

Deep River Bhoy, qualifying for CL was always considered a success. I still remember the night Neil Lennon qualified for the first time, a great night at Celtic Park.

I agree with DRB, time is short to form a judgement. For me the most important thing is win the league and start playing a more modern game with a path to the first team for youth.I read he is a great believer in squad rotation, another thing we have lacked for a few years.

I'd be delighted if it works out John :-)

I just don't get all the FIFA 14 analysis, a bit of reality would be good.

I first seen John Collins mentioned on here last night, he could be good. It's all just the unknown but I suppose its not the first time it's happened. Throwing Craig Gordon in just made me more uneasy lol

Hopefully we get into Champions League but it will be hard, new manager and no Celtic Park for our first two qualifying rounds

05 Jun 2014 14:03:44
I'm getting p"ssed off with all the bullsh"t that mr Desmond and lawell and co expects us to swallow they have known for a long time that Lenny was going I would say the same length of time as they knew of big mjallby was off personally I would say exactly the same time, but they are willing for this circus too drag on, the fact is and I've said it before the only person we will attract is a manger that wants the cl on his cv so he can move down south to the first or championship, Lenny has left becouse he was told ther is no money for him to buy, I don't have to remind yous all of the sh"t he has put up with in the hot seat and he did not leave us so this goes to show how bad it is, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think my passport will be getting used for the next few years

How do you know Lenny left because of no spending? Anyone can guess mate but the fact is no one knows for sure. I was told certain people inside Celtic were unhappy of the style of play we produced, and I find that to be more plausible.

Last season we had two genuine exciting displays, Hertz and Murderwell away, what did Lenny do? He changed the team! Would you say that was wise? I go to every game and some displays were bloody awful, no pace and sadly lacking in genuine skill.This is why crowds were down, nothing to do with sevco or anything else.

I supported Lenny, and admired his refusal to back down despite appalling sectarian events, but did he really develop as a coach? Do the team and their style excite you? As I have posted before Ajax away was horrendous.It has not got really much better since.

GJ stop kiddin youself on, crowds are down precisely because sevco are missing, the guys I go with all think the same no competition, no edge, no rivalry, no fear. And if you think the fitba this year was pish ad loved your opinion with the fare on show in the early 90s now that was pish

The English tim, if your going to visit Celtic Park next season you will need to use that passport sooner than you think.
After September you`ll need to produce it at border control.

@MallyBhoy: Not kidding myself at all mate.I support Celtic, not Celtic when we play sevco. If we had been playing great football and putting teams to the sword attendances would have been up.

Another thing to contend with is the fair weather fan.I have always said we have a hard core of around 18-25 thousand who will support the team no matter what, for me that number is a constant, even back to the dreadful days of the past.

We have no idea if it was just the standard of football that caused crowds to fall. As many Celtic fans travel long distance the recession and austerity methods imposed by governments may also have been a factor .

05 Jun 2014 12:30:04
thurs only wan ronnie dila
hiz maws a joiner
his da's a tiler
he'll bare his arse tae the sevco farce
walkin in a dila wunderland.
gess wha???
ps how your you wan baw?

05 Jun 2014 10:40:48
Good poll today ed. I'm ashamed to say I was one of the fans that wanted Strachan gone. I think it's only since he left that I've realised what master tactician he is. Don't get me wrong he wasn't perfect but I do think he was treated unfairly.

05 Jun 2014 12:03:34
Always liked Strachan as a person, still do, but his remit was to get the squad younger and cheaper, which he did achieve on a shoestring budget. Despite his success, we were dire to watch (and don`t get me started on that zonal marking).

He is a genuine football man and has obviously studied the game and brought us great success while undergoing a financial somersault at the club.
He did manage to attract some really good players in the process.
His last season was poor and the team were dire to watch and the gutless games in the SPL against Rangers will always stick in my mind.

I liked Strachan but I felt he left at the right time. We had to win our last 2 games of the season to win the league and we couldn't even score a goal. That was unacceptable for me and just confirmed that we needed a change. Too bad it was Mowbray!

It appears manager of Celtic is such a high stress job, that after about four years the manager is completely wore out and needs a break. Maybe the media intrusion and pressure from SFA takes the toll.

Not just the media, the fans also have a part to play. I fully admit to being a bit fickle at times depending on results. even if results are going our way, I want better football. I think sometimes change is just needed after 3 or 4 years. I wanted lennon to stay another year but I can understand why a lot of fans wanted him gone. It's about shaking up the squad.

05 Jun 2014 09:14:20
I was on the Celtic official website doing my daily catch ups of all things Celtic and I couldn't believe what they are trying to sell to the Celtic fans now they are offering the fans/customers a piece of the hallowed turf at the crazy price of £49 I think this absolute disgrace and a total rip off the piece of turf is tiny and they should actually be giving it away for free but being a Celtic fan you don't get anything for free at our club. Rant over for now anyway!

05 Jun 2014 10:17:54
So we can put you down for 2 then , mr frannybhoy .