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19 Sep 2014 21:05:45
I see there's a bunch of NO voter's causing a bit of trouble in glasgow tonight hope the guy's who voted no on this site are out there with them giving them their full support.
Burning saltires nazi salutes attacking people thanks scotland once again scotlands shame
I wonder are they still proud of their vote and how are they celebrating their " victory"
19 Sep 2014 20:46:02
So Alex is stepping down. Hold yer head up Alex you led from the front and fought a great battle. The odds were stacked against a YES but you made us believe it could happen. It's done and dusted now but the pain will linger for a while. There will not be another opportunity in my lifetime and I'm sorry about that.
There will be repercussions of course, Labour in Scotland is now a dead duck and some newspapers will never be purchased again. Anyway Alex, good luck to you in the future, one of Scotland's finest.
Alex Salmonde unlike very many Scottish Politiicans when you step down in November, you can truly say you did Scotland some good service .
20 Sep 2014 13:12:04
It would appear to some the young Robospierre has fallen to the words of the elder Robospierre. " The king must die so the country may live" given the unkindness and emotional dislike of the man by many on this forum.
19 Sep 2014 20:19:54
Well in the next few months we will learn how costly the NO vote will be.
Listening to television tonight Cameron is already plotting to curb Labour MP.s, he knows Scotland will never vote tory so we will be at bottom of pile, despite all the promises.
He is linking Scotland in with "English devolution" whatever that is, no our chance has gone for at least another generation.
Only good thing is Salmond has quit, I hope Nicola Sturgeon becomes next leader.
Where does all this anti Salmond stuff originate from, maybe my memory's going but for the life of me I can't remember him doing anything that would justify it.
Am the same aindoh him and sturgeon and patrick harvey are the only politician's that I think some of the stuff they say isn't bull manure unlike the rest wouldn't trust them to run a bath but I also think that maybe salmond seen the dislike of him as a problem for the movement and thought if we have another chance it would be better without him
Agree with you bigD, I have no dislike of Salmond, but ther are lot of people who dslike him intensely, reminds me of the way NL got treated by a lot of people, I hope Nicola gets the job now.
19 Sep 2014 19:40:12
Hi ed hope you are well. But have to whole heartedly disagree with your assessment of Gordon.If we had no prior knowledge of him and his name was Gordonio then we would be raving about him. Replacing Forster for nothing and pocketing best part o 10m.To blame him fir the Maribor game is harsh, you fail to mention Izzys stupid header back into danger area, even if he was ever so slightly at fault then so is the rest o the team, and if you go onto utube I sure you will find plenty of howlers from Neuer, Cech, Courtier etc.This parrying as you say is what most of the modern goalies do now esp in Europe.Goodness me the guy has hardly played any football for 2 years and has been nothing but outstanding.Scepovic, Wakaso, Tonev, Guidetti will all be given time why not Gordon.I really think you made your mind up about him before we signed him, let's judge him on performances and lately we could argue he has been our best player.
I 100% agree with you Rayman, I think Gordon has been brilliant and we couldn't have got a better keeper to replace Forster. let's just hope everyone continues this decent run and we can get the league back on track and push for the Europa League.
Hail Hail
20 Sep 2014 11:05:28
Rumania and Belfast you are spot on, he is the best player we have right now. I think his overall game us better than Fraser. Gordon actually comes off his line to catch or punch a ball, Fraser was too much on his line. As for the Maribor goal, the guy didn't make great contact so scuffed it more than hit it and that was what looped it over Gordon. He was unlucky. Yes a yard too far forward but on another day we would have got away with it. Regardless he is a class act so hope he stays injury free. He hit us the point in Austria and 3 points against Aberdeen.
19 Sep 2014 14:26:32
Can I just say. What a shot that was last night from scepovic. That would have been a worldy.
19 Sep 2014 13:46:06
Alright Ed, how ye doing? I believe a few of you lot have been missing me?
Not really had the chance to get online much between work, holiday, n doing as much as I could for the Yes camp leading up to the referendum.
Got to say I wis livid this morning wi the amount of cowards, bigots n brain dead in this "country" - if we can still even call it that? Scotland the slave, a province of Britain!
The outcome's really started to sink in now, the red mist's long gone. Just a broken heart. Feel like necking a bottle of bleach n tanning my wrists, listening to The Proclaimers!
Nah, seriously though. Time to start looking at the positives (n I know it's going to be hard) but first of all, Scotland has a voice again wi an 84% (3.6m) turn out. Almost all of the country became politically awake during the referendum campaign, proud of all the first time voters n hopefully this can carry forward into next year's UK General Election!
There wis 45% (1.6m) of the Scottish electorate who voted Yes, I just hope NONE of these people (who previously voted Labour, or were/are a member of SLP) give Labour another vote - be that next year, or any other year from here on in, your eyes should be open by now. They're leader is a yuppy who doesn't look out of place wi the Eton boys, I'll never forget (or forgive) the him n various members of his party coming up here n grovelling for a No vote to remain under Tory rule, it makes the name red Tories very applicable!
I'd prefer to see the 45% vote for the Scottish Socialist Party, Scottish National Party, Scottish Green Party, an independent candidate - basically, whichever party (who as a whole supported the idea of an independent Scotland) or politician fits your views best! Read up on their manifestos nearer the time, or even have a look on their websites just now to help you decide who's policies you feel strongest about n who would benefit more from your vote than Milliband n his band of crooks - for me, that party is the SSP.
If devolution / super-devo goes through then it's the next best thing, not ideal, but one step in the right direction. If there's also devolved powers in the North of Ireland n Wales, creating a more democratic n federalised UK then even better!
Apparently this Scotland bill (wi new tax n welfare powers) will have a second reading by 27th March next year, if not then the pressure's back on Westminster!
Let's try n channel the energy n passion shown by Yes Scotland n RIC over the last 18 months into doing whit's best for Scotland from here. Let's keep the momentum going wi a positive mental attitude!
If anyone has anything they'd like to add, then fire away.
ONWARDS N UPWARDS!
*** as for the Celtic game last night? Pleased wi the point, would've took that before kick off! Ambrose n Izzy remain the weak links though, whit's happened to young Darnell Fisher? I would've thought he'd get game time wi Lustig n Matthews out?! ***
{Ed007's Note - Welcome back buddy, I wish I was as optimistic as you.}
Welcome back HB!
We were under the impression our great club had sent you on a 3 month "jolly" to gather more info on "untapped" talent for us mate?
Any truth in that bud LOL
ATVB
HB
Hat off to you for taking it so well. I wish I could. For the first time in my life today I felt embarrassed to be scottish. That mind sound a bit harsh but I can't shake it. As an expat I didn't get a vote(which I think was right as did I that foreign residents did) but I was praying that we could at last be masters of our own destiny. Like most expats I daydream of going home one day - but not to soup kitchens, disgusting social housing and the rest of it. My only hope is that Westminster true to form reneges of the vague extra powers but they aren't that daft - there will be some to pacify the masses but not enough to make a difference.
Compliments to you 2 ed for allowing the debate on the site. Keep up the good work. HH joe
Cheers lads.
I'm trying my best Ed, hard to take but. Possible Tory-UKIP coalition next year?
Counted yesterday that the UK has between 15-20 unionist / far right groups now: Tory, UKIP, DUP, UUP, NF/SNF, BNP, Britain First, Britannica Party, EDL/SDL/WDL, North East Infidels, Casuals Utd, Combat 18, Blood & Honour, Redwatch n Stop Islamisation of Europe are just a few off the top of my head.
English/British nationalism is growing again, n they don't like the fact we had the audacity to try n unsettle their prescious UK. going to end up like Mosley's Union of Fascists all over again!
Been battling through the emotions all day, feel like I've lost a family member or something. I seriously have my doubts the House of Lords will pass devo for us, Wales n the North of Ireland but.
If they fail us, like I expect them too, I'd like to think that we could be back to the polls again in the next 5-10 yrs!
Haha, unfortunately not JB - otherwise we'd have two good full backs, a defensive mid n a playmaker lol.
Gutted Hammy! Been at work today but it didn't sink in until I was watching the news there. I just burst into tears. It's been coming all day and now I feel like a burst balloon.
I don't believe all the garbage coming out of London today. This is opening up a gigantic bag of worms as the trio of clowns try to convince their backbenchers to give us miserable Scots more powers. I just can't see it happening. Cameron and Milliband have got no respect from their own party members and Clegg is a nobody punching above his weight. The Tories will have a majority government after 2015 and shortly after that Big Bad Boris will be front line. This will happen as Scottish voters, disillusioned with the system, don't vote. These Eton boys will destroy us and punish us for daring to vote against them. It doesn't look good. If you voted No, you have contributed to this and in my eyes it is unforgivable!
And as I am typing this, the knuckledraggers have stormed George Square with their Union Jacks! Scotland's shame indeed!
Last night's result in Salzburg was a bit disappointing for me. 1 man again, Ambrose! Ship him out!
I am disillusioned with the labour party, but at the general election I hope people stick with them.
Unfortunately voting for anyone else just ensures a tory majority, they would love it if we gave our votes to other parties. There is no alternative to a labour or tory government.
As much as labour has let people down it is surely the lesser of two evils.
This government has been bad enough when they are sharing power, I shudder to think what they would do if they had power to themselves
I hope nobody was stupid enough to be swayed by the idea of maximum devolution . As sure as night follows day it won't happen . The three leaders knew for sure it wouldn't happen when they made their promises .
All that will be given is a few edges will be smoothed .
God help Scotland, the electorate has kicked Scotland in the face .
19 Sep 2014 10:11:17
Good morning all,
My first post.
A couple of points from last nights game:
-Efe again shocking, played the guy onside for the first goal, can't pass, tackle or head. If Mathews ever gets fit or when Lustig returns, efe should be on the bench at best!
-The new players need time before they can be critisised as harshly as they have been, the established players can be judged right now which takes me to my next point.
-Is Commons fit? I thought he was poor tonight and for a player who we look to create, was found wanting tonight which is a shame because he was class last year. Antony Stokes is never a European striker, whenever a manager has had other options he sits on the bench and for good reason. Griffiths may be an person but I'd prefer him to Stokes.
-Gordon had a good game, but I agree with the comments about his parrying ever shot and poor distribution, however he hasn't played for two years and he is better than anything else we could've brought in (especially for the money).
-I thought we were lucky to get the draw but I would have taken it before the game, this group is no walkover and I am unimpressed with players saying we will win the Europa league when we are nothing like a settled team. If we can't put five or six passes together and create chances we will get punished in this tournament.
-A new manager, new team (ish) - a league and cup double would be a step in the right direction, hopefully with a run after qualifying from the group stages.
-The board may have taken some flak, but let's not forget where we are. In my opinion we would compete withthe best in the world if we were in a different league (never going to happen) we can only play the hand we've got. In terms of sponsorship, season tickets and attracting top line players we are going to have to accept our place in the pecking order for now. That said if our season depends on CL qualification let's sign players in advance. The way we went about our business this year reeks of to little to late.
-Let's get behind what we have and build. let's get the best youngsters in Scotland and develop them at our facilities, make a profit to balance the books (McGeady) and hopefully we will uncover some real potential (McGregor?) who will want to stay.
Hail Hail
19 Sep 2014 10:37:17
Some good points mate. I would have left the Serbian guy on and beefed up the midfield with Kayal and hooked commons who was poor and slow. Its not his position. The team looked unbalance up front and the midfield was overrun for large parts of the game. We got out of jail last night. This red bull team were doing what we should have done. They were totally in yer face from start to finish. The stats say we had 2 shots on target!. Mubarak is a dangerous clever player and he took his goal very well. Top drawer. Van dyke needs to be more disciplined. What was that about striding up through the midfield. Ok he may score a wonder goal but look at the gaps at the back when he goes on his travels. Its not good enough. He needs to be disciplined. Denayer did well. Gordon also and Brown showed some inspiration but at one point he looked like a right winger! there's not enough discipline in the team. i'm all for interchanging positions and filling the gaps and holes but really we need to be able to find a man with a pass and that man then has to control the ball with a decent first touch.
I won't comment on Efe and Izzy other than say they both need a break. Tey have played too much and are like dopes on a rope at times. Punchy with blurred vision. I wondered if Izzy had put his left boot on his right foot at one point!
After saying all that at least they dug in a bit and its a game we would have lost without the new winger so it could have been worse! Finally Scepovic was poor. Does he ususally play as a target man? I think not because he did not seem to be familiar or know what to do. Guidetti in that role is waht we needed but Uefa logic or lack thereof means he's not available. that's bad luck as I think he wouldmmake a big difference to this team.
19 Sep 2014 17:22:35
Can't see much evidence of the team starting to understand what Ronnie is trying to establish. We look a bit lost. Great we got a point but we don't seem to have much structure and we leave so many gaps that Red Bull were able to run into it was always looking like we were vulnerable. Let's see if it improves over the next month or two but I remain to be convinced we are building an effective team?
I don't think it is a matter of the players not getting use to what Ronnie wants .
It's more a case of Ronnie's formation not fit for purpose in either the SPL or Europe . We need three men in midfield so that we can protect our back four, control the middle and support the attacking players . Ronnie's in two and that's where most of our problems start .
19 Sep 2014 07:15:07
55/45 - that's a margin that cannot be ignored.
45% of Scotland had rejected Westminster and I can guarantee there are a right good % in the No camp who only voted, not necessarily in favour of Westminster, but for fear of the unknown.
The way folk have engaged in this debate has been tremendeous and I hope we can build on this. Scotland is awake and better stay that way!
Mrs E, I reakon the YES campaign will be happy. They wanted the 3rd? in the ballot, Stay in the Union with more Power, and that is exactly what they have aceived (no mean feat). The No parties have all made promises they must keep to avoid another Referendum in 3 years time. Hail Hail
Quite encouraging to see so many young folk vote Yes and engaging in Politics – its been long overdue.
If Scotland do get a better deal for themselves this will be thanks to the Yes voters and being heard. I think Westminster will think long and hard about dumping Poll Tax here again and truly believe they are one bad decision away from losing Scotland. Bring it on!
I am disappointed even though I had braced myself for this result and more than half expected it.
I am finding it hard to even speak to members of my family who voted 'No' through fear and trepidation with the bribery and threats used by the BTC; rather than sound political argument.
The turnout was magnificent, the margin of defeat was slim, but significant and there are a lot of very relieved people in Westminster.
At 58 I am now resigned to living out my life with a vote that counts for absolutely nowt in a UK election - just as it has been so many times.
Pensions, wages and benefits will all be fair game for the victors and the food banks will be here for many years to come - but at least we are part of the union (jack).
Scotland The Brave?. Aye Right!
The biggest factor imo is peoples distrust/dislike of salmond, I don't believe a word that comes out the mans mouth, imo he would happily have lead us to ruin just for the glory of being the man who got us independance,
19 Sep 2014 13:45:27
IMHO the country is in ruin. I had to put up with my education being ruined by teachers strikes and comprehensive education that put me into classes with guys who quite frankly should not have been in academic classes. There was no streamlining in those days.
The ruination of my late teen years and the destruction of many of the lives of my friends and peers through the explosion of drugs crime and the aids virus
The Ruination of my finances caused by cycle after cycle of boom and bust which has now turned into bust and bust!
The ruination of society by the I am alright jack and loadsamoney Thatcher years and the betrayal of common decency and values by the left
The ruin of ethical values and spirituality by officially corrupted religious organisations
The ruination of woman caused by the sexual exploitation derived from market forces.
The ruination of the family caused by the above and the false agendas of supposed equality.
The ruination of thought caused by the thought police and the politically correct oh so easily offended censorship agenda
The ruination of language caused by sms and other new media
The ruination of health especially childrens due to vaccines gender bending chemicals and the devoid of any nutrition ration packs they call food these days.
I won't say more. Oh aye that guy Salmond hell ruin the country right enough.
DRB, Him and Sturgon (Spelling) just look like they cannot be trusted. I know that is very shallow but that is just the way it is. If Westminster revolk (is that a word) on any of the promises there will be another Referendum, there is nothing in place to say we can't, and the No Campaign will have lost before they can get started. Salmonds currency issue was a major stumbling block, for me anyway, and without a definate no too the Euro there was no way I could vote Yes. Hail Hail
Completely disagree DRB. We know most politicians are only in it for personal gain, but I feel having a Scottish Government ruling our country, they'd be close enough for us to see the whites of their eyes n there's less places for them to hide!
19 Sep 2014 14:47:57
There won't be another referendum or vote on Independence. Not now and probably never again. Salmond said not for a generation and Cameron said it this morning. So there's two very good reasons that blow many no voters logic of we will get them next time. There won't be a next time. But I can assure you like I know there will be a tomorrow. The establishment is coming. Look out Scotland. The Thatcher years will look like childs play by comparison.
Hb, . its not a Scottish govt or independence i'm against or any form of govt that would help the people, i'm just pointing out an opinion I hold of salmond and that a lot of people I know both yes and no voters also hold/held, which I think affected the yes vote, welcome back hb I thought you had joined isis after the biton carry on, sopot in your rant you seem to hate everything and everybody, does this include the snp or are they the paragon of truth and virtue for you?
Sopot, Talk about Scaremongering. I disagree, like the Tic, Onwards and Upwards. Hail Hail
19 Sep 2014 16:51:51
DRB Your comment does not deserve nor warrant a reply.
19 Sep 2014 16:59:47
TTT. Call it what you want to. Disagree by all means. For myself I said what I had to say and I am now keeping my own council. Good luck Scotland.
I Can't understand people who distrust Salmond, and probably gave Gordon Brown a standing ovation for his 'inspirational' speech, now there is one guy I would'nt trust after he passed up the chance to punish the bankers instead of saving their bonus system., but I agree with you DRB, there is a lot of people who think like that about Salmond, the ones I know are west of Scotland tic supporting labour supporters, relatives of mine that I gave up trying to change their point of view long time before the refreendum.
A question asked in a civil manner . why no answer?
I know we have the argument it wasn’t a vote for SNP but it was all their ideas for an Independent Scotland that we heard, the other parties put nothing except doom and gloom forward so folk did get worried.
Salmond was not confident in dealing with the issues over currency and that for many was huge. Its alright saying folk were selfish in how they voted, of course they were. Most will do what’s best for their own family first and foremost, its quite naive to think otherwise.
What I do object to is some No voters saying we need to accept this vote and just get back to normal, aye you would like that. The reason this whole vote came about was almost half the nation are not happy with London rule and some who did vote No weren't that happy either but the fear of dear knows what was put into them.
19 Sep 2014 19:06:56
A civil manner does not mean a civil question. It was highly personalised as well you know. However as Boethius said "There is no place for hatred in the minds of the wise". I would agree and tend to work very hard in my life and general dealings to assist people not to hate. You call my dialogue a rant. Please explain why you use that terminology; Is it to lower its meaning or devalue the truth in what I am saying? What is your concept of truth and virtue. I would be interested to know.
What is your basis for logic in your distrust or dislike of Salmond. You say your not against any form of govt that would help the people. Then you state you dislike distrust Salmond. What is it you distrust? Tell us all what he did that makes you appear to dislike him so much? Why do you equate independence with his personal glory and why is he as a person so much of a problem. You appear to dislike him so much, (you and the others you appear to be talking for) that you would be happy to pass up independence as that would deprive this man you dislike so much of personal glory and in any case he would ruin the country. You know it sounds like you actually hate the man.
I have an interest in truth. My many posts are about getting to the truth.
What is your motivation in posting? What are you trying to achieve?
Civil questions in a civil manner. I am looking forward to your response.
Aindoh, I tried to reply earlier so there might be two replies, this is a shorter version, after what you said bout your family, I noticed during the whole process among friends co workers that no matter their usual political allegiences that catholics /celtic supporters where moving to yes voting and rangers/protestants towards no, was this a countrywide thing or just a inverclyde /glasgow thing, did anybody else think see this?
DRB, I live in the east and most celtic supporters, and otherr people I know know were going to vote yes, that was why I was surprised when talking to the ones further west, they were coming out with this Salmond line, and after seeing the result, maybe I don't get out enough, or I'm mixing with the wrong crowd.
I cannot believe any Celtic fan could have voted no.
Salmonde may not be everybody's cup of team but no matter how much bad he could inflict on the Scottish people
It would measure very low on any scale compared to English Tories.
55% of Scottish people should be ashamed of themselves .
Sopot, you attack the left and right in your post and I wanted to know if you thought the snp where better and why,, this was personal as I was was addressing your post and it read like a rant to me,, on reading your reply I now don't care what your views on anything are as you sound an pretentious, arrogant, egotist, yes I dislike salmond and like millions of others in this world can only form an opinion through gut instinct as we will never meet the person we dislike in person, so don't try and paint me as some hate filled person, you say you don't hate others but you seem easily angered by others or maybe I just write like one of the people the education system put in your way to stife your superior intellect, also at no time did I say how I voted so how do you know i'm happy to pass up independence,
20 Sep 2014 16:32:46
After some thought to answer to your scurrilous implied accusations please note.
My basic issue is that you offer and have avoided offering any explanation of the reasons and logic behind your statements i.e. dislikes of Alex Salmond except to qualify it with lots of people dislike him and second due to not ever having met him you rely on gut reaction. You put a lot of faith in your gut and you see this emotional judgment to be appropriate. This is a man’s character we are discussing politician or not and it is reasonable to ask for more information as to why you have this opinion. You have a very broad approach and seem to be very free in coming to judgement about the character of men. Where do you get such wisdom? How can you ascertain so much so quickly and without error. You appear to be an intellectual heavyweight.
Your comment about his personal Glory you also side stepped and ignored. When it comes to ruining the country I offered a number of reasons both personal and through many years of observation which supported evidence that the country was ruined both in the past and at the moment. Your reply was to dismiss this as a “ rant.” Was this ego on your part? By reply you made a judgmental statement pegged onto a contemptuous question in which in your opinion and the evidence supported in the rant (as you put it) meant I now had to defend myself against your thoughts. Those being that I hated everybody and everything. Now you may perceive my general reply in whatever way you wish but please base it on evidence and logic. I am just glad I was not accused of a hate crime, many are you know, for just expressing the truth.
I at first chose not to respond as it was a ridiculous assertion. You then basically demanded an answer, once received you again had a go at my character, is this how you debate things when someone says something you don’t like, attack with puerile personalisation. Did you expect me to crawl under a rock? I will leave that to the Unionists. You got a first answer and you did not like it, again maybe someone’s ego was under scrutiny here but it was not mine. Then after demanding an answer to your post and getting it I am subject to further personalised comments which to be perfectly honest are out of line. You also talk about which way you voted. I did not mention this. It is called muddying the waters and I am well capable of dealing with untruths in a discussion. FYI I am pro Scottish Independence and freedom. You appear based upon evidence at 4 at least, to support the anti-Scottish Independents. See your post at 4. I may be wrong but common sense would indicate that as you expect the country to go to ruin etc. under Salmond, then it follows you would vote against independence or abstain. To then start a disingenuous debate on what I said and you said and how you voted is churlish to say the least.
Your assertion of my thoughts as a superior intellect is also ridiculous. Personalisation is not wise but you go there again. What if I truly have a superior intellect? Why is that a bad thing? Intellect by nature is assertive. In any case I was pointing out that in the past there was no streamlining. To clarify further, most guys of my background and class had their education ruined by militant teachers and poor organisation. Try learning about Julius Caesar when half the class does not want to learn and many others have poor reading skills. Does that make me superior? It’s an interesting take and can I suggest some inverted snobbery in your statements regarding this.
You have avoided properly answering the question; you have bandied powerful words like hate, truth glory and virtue without in my opinion knowing the true nature of these words. You have answered in an imperious manner when confronted with the truth and your post made it very clear that my rant as you like to describe it, you saw as an attack on you. It was not a personal attack. It was meant to provoke thought. I think it has. On that level I have been successful.
In closing please look at Boethius, A Roman who was more Pauline than Christian. He was a philosopher and had a great intellect; don’t dislike him for having an intellect. The Romans disliked him. He spoke the truth, without him the enlightenment which gave us incredible Scots like Hume and eventually led to the great American Revolution without which we would all still be serfs. He gave us the knowledge of the Greeks Plato etc. Please also look at Neoplatonism. Many people have been martyred for having such views.
I am saying all this for one reason. When involved in lively debate do not facelessly accuse another man or woman by attempting to decry their character. Justifying opinions and attempting character assassinations by relying on insults or gut reaction is highly flawed. It is pointless and comes from ignorance. It leads ultimately to mob rule, censorship, selective law enforcement, state control and eventual slavery. For example my gut reaction may say the earth is flat, mathematics and physics says otherwise. My gut reaction may be (as I have never met them) a no voter is a traitor, the truth may be they are ignorant of the facts and are really patriots.
Boethius (it is reported after many years of imprisonment) was executed. They tied a rope around his head and tightened it until his eyes popped out. I am sure the Emperors gut reaction was kill the traitor!
I am no Boethius, just an ordinary guy who has no superior intellect. I just read a few books and have had some experience of governments. Many will think what has all this got to do with anything. DRB may think the same, but can I remind all that I did not bring up the subject of virtue and truth, glory lies and ruin, or even the SNP. DRB did. A last thought as the young Robespierre (Alex Salmond) is standing down.
“The secret of FREEDOM lies in educating the people whereas the secret of Tyranny is keeping them ignorant”. Maximilian Robespierre. French Revolutionary executed by the French state July 28 July 1794.
20 Sep 2014 18:01:05
Apologies. Having read through my post I see I have misquoted. I of course should have used gut instinct not reaction. I think they are interchangeable as terms. Happy to hear anyone elses thoughts.
19 Sep 2014 05:06:37
I never really looked into the history of our Red Bull Salzburg :-
www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/they-are-the-most-hated-football-club-of-our-time.25362342
What has Red Bull got to gain from doing this to the original Club?
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