Celtic Banter Archive January 12 2014

 

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12 Jan 2014 23:09:44
Would love to see Peter Crouch/Robert Snodgrass come in this window. Reckon that both would fit our structure and that both would do a right good job.

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You really have to be joking right?

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Would love to see Ronaldo and Messi come in but that's not going to happen either

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Ronaldo + Messi wouldn't get a game ahead of Forrest or Stokes at Lennon's Celtic.

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13 Jan 2014 13:04:14
HaHa, very true HB

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Here hammy boay sorry tae say thit it wiz me who broke in it the weekend pal bit your "wide screen telly it 12 inches isnae realy is it?"
mibee yur missus wiz rite whit she sade aboot yoors then eh by the waey tell her wed nites aff untill furthur notis ok bye, wee timbo best washes

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@5 That post has cringe written all over it.

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Zactly hb the people who right in like that totaly doo my head in what's the point lol pathetic joe bhoy

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14 Jan 2014 13:00:49
Zacly, cisely, ain't it just. pea

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12 Jan 2014 21:28:24
Hi Ed just want to talk about the game today I think the young lads mad a good account of themselves and personally watched the two games they mean nothing but I'd like to see puki and blade starting in the spl I think this could be a good partnership all fareness it was friendlys but It was against decent sides what you think

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{Ed007's Note - I'd certainly give Pukki the chance to play with a recognised scorer, I just always think that him and Stokes are too similar to play together. It's always been in the back of my mind that perhaps the club expected Stokes would leave this summer after initially rejecting the deal last summer and Pukki was signed as his replacement.}

I think that's exactly what happened, also Lenny does seem to be wary of Stokes.At least if he gets stroppy we will get a decent fee.

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I can see the logic, but after losing Hooper we really do seem to have made one huge cock-up. The forward line was really struggling for long spells, especially our misfiring CL campaign. The scurrying about on the last day of the previous transfer window for a striker and the refusal to play Balde has altogether made the manager's judgement look poor.

JJ

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12 Jan 2014 22:18:58
Well after watching tonights game I found it quite entertaining, I usually hate those type of games but what I enjoyed about it was Gala put out the big boys in the 2nd half to please their fanatical support and run over the top of our youngsters but failed. We have to utilise Balde, the boys a talent and Biton looks class. All the youths that played can hold their heads high and a mention for Jamesie who gets unbelievable stick, I think a lot of our support better watch what they wish for by wanting rid of Forrest, we might get another Boerrigter. Had to laugh when the Gala fans brought out the flares and pyros in the first half it was about a 15 min display, kinda puts the GB's so called mis-demeanors into perspective

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Be fair mate, Forrest was hardly a stand out, couple of good runs but still does not know when to pass.That shot with his left foot should have been slipped to the player left of him.

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12 Jan 2014 20:32:05
What was the score against gala?

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0-0 we lost 5-4 on pens Forrest missed
Dhman

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12 Jan 2014 20:19:18
Hi ed think everyone is in agreement that the youth needs to get a chance, but was just wanting your opinion on how you would go about integrating them into the team.

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{Ed007's Note - Over the coming months I would phase out players like Mulgrew, Forrest, Kayal, Stokes and bring in youngsters to get first team SPFL and Scottish Cup experience. Sell those four in the summer and with Samaras leaving and probably Ledley there is plenty of room for the youngsters. At some point something has got to give and they get their chance or they leave, it would be sad to see quality youngsters leaving only to be replaced with more mediocre foreigners.}

Hi Ed, regular reader but first time poster. I am glad to finally see someone writing something about Mulgrew. I have thought that for a while now he has been believing his own press.
Arrowh

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{Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site buddy. Mulgrew done a good job when he first came back but he has went back the way and would be best moved on.}

Hi Ed, need to disagree with you on the players you are talking about phasing out. Charlie is a very versatile player, lb, cb, dm and was our player of the year last year. Forrest gets unbelievable stick from our support, I think they expect a messiRonaldo run every time he gets the ball, his end product is better than McGeady's was but he probably needs to increase his goals ratio. Joe Ledley is Mr consistent and every good team in the world has one, nothing spectacular but always available, breaks play up and chips in with a goal. There are players there who could do with a rocket up the jacksie's and giving the boys some game time will do that, but it would be ridiculous to think that the bringing in the boys in place of these experienced pro's would make us a better team. I agree that we should be looking at playing 2-3 of them every week and starting them not putting them on the bench, that allows the squad to rotate and keep everyone on their toes BUT when it comes to the Euro qualifiers you still need experience to get you through some sticky ties, this year the prime example. As a club we do not bring through anywhere near enough young players which is a disgrace considering we have the p[ick of the bets in the country. I think the question is why, is it the managers fault or is it the coaching? Now and next year is a great time to blood some young players but will the support be willing to accept some poor displays even defeats while these kids get their chance?

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{Ed007's Note - Just because a player is versatile doesn't mean he is any good, Mulgrew can't even lay claim to a position for himself. Who would you drop for him, Ambrose or VVD, Izaguirre or put him in instead of Biton? Mulgrew is nothing more than an average squad player and with the wages he is on we don't need to pay that for versatility, we have young players who could cover the positions Mulgrew does.
Forrest will be 23 this summer and still plays like an 18 y.o, he has not progressed over the last few seasons at all, his decision making is very poor as is his ability to cross the ball or even beat his man. I don't expect a Messi or Ronaldo run from him, and anyone who does will have a long wait, but that's the battle cry of people who like him, so what do you think he brings to the team seeing as it's you, not me, comparing him to Messi, Ronaldo and McGeady? I do expect our wingers to be able to beat a man, hit the line and put quality balls into the box, you know, the basic stuff any winger should be able to do. It's not me that is comparing him to anyone in particular is it?
I only said about Ledley because the longer he doesn't sign a new deal the more likely he is to leave, I would prefer him to stay but wouldn't be overly upset if he moved on.
Fans are accepting some dire performances just now, why should it be different if there was youngsters in the team? The fans who would complain about it are the ones that think you need to spend money to be a success. Produce good quality youngsters and then you can spend money on a few top players to improve the team rather than just add numbers to the squad. The same fans would be the ones that would see youth promotion as penny pinching from the board.}

Charlie Mulgrew was brought back to be in direct competition with Izzaguire and because he can do a job at CB and lately as a holding mid in the absence of Wanyama he doesn't have a position of his own. It is strange however that he can play as a holding mid against Belgium and not give their superstars a kick of the ball, and yet he isn't valued at his own club, though I think his fans number more than his detractors. I am not comparing Forrest with Messi or Ronaldo what I said was that people expect him to get the ball, take a man on every time, get to the bye line every time, delivery an inch perfect cross every time and every time he shots to score. Forrest has had a lot of injuries and while I agree he needs to work on some aspects of his game maybe a quick look at the likes of Lennon, Valencia, Miralles, Hazard will show that they don't deliver the perfect ball every time and they are perceived as the best in the world. Aiden McGeady was exactly the same, a lot of tricks but poor delivery and his goals to chances created ratio was very poor. Hopefully if Forrest can stay injury free then he can kick on after all he is one of our youth players. Agreed the performances are dire and I would love to see NL play 2-3 kids every game, from the start and force the so called stars to step up to the plate. I would rather the club produced their players than bought them and we have so many kids going through BarrowfieldLennoxtown and yet we very very rarely produce the finished article. Why buy a 20yr old Icelandic striker, can't we produce one from our own ranks, that is the question that the club need to answer. The more we produce from our own ranks the better for the club and the game as a whole remember it was 12 scots who won the big cup.

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{Ed007's Note - I couldn't give a monkey's what Mulgrew done against Belgium, it is irrelevant to me, the fact is he is not good enough to stake a claim for a position at club level. For every position you say he can cover we have a youngster that can do the same thing on a fraction of the money.
Tell me then, what do you expect of Forrest during a game? You yourself are agreeing he needs to work on aspects of his game so at nearly 23 how much more do you expect from him, as he gets older he will lose his pace and then what? You can't keep saying he will get better when it's obvious he hasn't so far, I can't see what makes you think that he will in future. The Forrest you see just now is as good as it gets for him and there is no way on God's green earth we would get the same money for him as we did for McGeady.
Our strongest right side is when Lustig and Matthews play there, that says it all.}

13 Jan 2014 15:41:05
Wouldn't get rid of mulgrew versatility is important for a couple of players in your squad . He might not had a gr8 season but when asked to fill in he doesn't let the team down in my opinion. You said a while ago on Ronaldo messi subject a good player can play in all positions and b4 u say am not comparing them just saying he can play in most and do a job. Although am all for blooding youngsters you need other squad players not just youngsters. If we were playing in Europe and Vvd was injured for a big game ad much rather go with mulgrew than a young bhoy.

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Allymac I agree with pretty much everything you said mate. Most sense I have heard on here for a long time. I feel eds rant is a bit unfair but to each his own, mulgrew did stake a claim to his place at cb remember? Then after he won player of the year in that position lenny thought he needed to sign Ambrose? Charlie is a victim of his own success, plays well pretty much everywhere and has the most quality deadball in our squad. I'll agree with ed that lenny should start behaving more like a manager than a rockstar we shouldn't need to goto turkey to try these young guys. But we the fans have made him fear losing so much he sticks with his best team every game regardless of form poor judgement by us all. I think Celtic fans need drama and are creating their own cause the thing they love to hate is gone. It's why most of us are still obsessed with the dark side and poor performances rather than actually supporting the team and manager. But I only support Celtic so have no back up team for when they aren't on form. I hate english football and refuse to watch it.

Darrenbhoy

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{Ed007's Note - Darren if Mulgrew staked his claim at CB then why were Ambrose, Steven Mouyokolo and van Dijk signed? Obviously NL doesn't see Mulgrew as a reliable CB. We also have Lustig who can play in the middle and young Lewis Toshney. Add to that players like Marcus Fraser, Eoghan O'Connell and Stuart Findlay who could all play a part domestically. So if there is an injury in the CB department we only need to move Lustig inside and Matthews plays at RB without even playing any youth player. I'd go with Lustig/Ambrose rather than put Mulgrew in there if van Dijk was injured.}

12 Jan 2014 20:56:10
On that showing against Galatasaray it has only confirmed my thoughts that we don't need to pinch young players from other teams in Scotland. We are developing our own and they are not half bad. Herron, Fisher and Henderson stood out by a long way.

~seamus~

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12 Jan 2014 20:59:07
Well that was an enjoyable game thot full team played well back line was solid thought fisher was excellent again hardly put a foot wrong all this talk of a left back being needed a feel fisher is more than adequate cover both Henderson and biton were excellent also both can pick a pass and put the foot in and a thot balde and pukki linked up well pukki looks a far better player playing off a tall striker feeding of him and as for balde yes he's raw but he has an eye for goal and seems really confident a feel a couple of signings a creative midfielder and striker and giving these boys a game we would be in a good position once cl qualifiers come around. I would be really disappointed if some of these players aren't selected for the Motherwell game I feel they've earned there chance

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12 Jan 2014 19:38:11
Why can the kids be trusted against a top team like galatasaray but can't get anywer near the 1st team against poor domestic teams? friendly or not these youngsters deserve a chance in the league after tonight. Some of the so called 'big players' in the 1st team should take a look at tonights game see what work rate is. Well done bhoys done us proud

GunnieBhoy

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I never seen any of this tournament, I wasn't paying Premier Sports for a friendly.

Good to hear encouraging comments about the youngsters.

Lets hope they get game time in our competitive games but you would think with some of them playing in the Youth Champions League competition, that would be enough for Neil Lennon. Strange decision at times

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They gave a great account of themselves Mrs E its baffling how apart from fisher and atajic against motherwell that none of these bhoys are nowhere near the 1st team yet. Galatasaray had a full strength team apart from drogba so that shows they def took it serious. Young henderson looks a great prospect in center mid especially playing the 2nd half against a champions league winner in wesley sneijder

GunnieBhoy

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I've seen Henderson play before and does seem a mature player.

I always have that wee nag in my head about our centre half pairing, love big Virgil but anytime they are tested (Europe) - we don't hold up well.

Neil Lennon is in a position no other Celtic Manager has found themselves in domestically, suppose with the league not won you have to play the best team available but it would be good for the fans to see the youngsters introduced a bit.

Don't think anyone is suggesting we show complete lack of respect for other Scottish Clubs and use them as a training exercise to see how good our Youth are. Cheers Gunnie ~ Mrs E

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12 Jan 2014 19:25:26
'On the fourteenth of June 2012, when the business and assets of Oldco were purchased and transferred to Newco, Rangers FC CEASED TO BE A CLUB as defined in the rules'

Direct quote from the Rangers lawyers. Seriously, how on earth can this fiasco be allowed to continue?

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Made similar point last week and made reference to Sevco TV and was blocked or ignored. But the charade is getting beyond a joke.

JJ

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12 Jan 2014 19:21:43
What a game! The offside goal should have counted and could of had 3 in the first half with the chances. Great showing for our club and the youth squad against first team gala minus drogba. The tourny was the right thing cause we saw what the new players can do so maybe people can stop written them off before they are settled.
Maybe people on here can stop having a go and bad mouthing our own club for going to the tourny because the players seemed to like it and maybe gave certain players the chance to break out in the league. We handled ourselves greatly and didn't diserve to lose the game, the club seems to be in a lose lose situation cause some would say play the youth and then complain we didn't sign anyone and if we sign some players they will complain about not playing youth. Hope to see a lot less of fans on here complaining and having a go about our club and just support it better in this new year. C-Bhoy

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{Ed007's Note - Wouldn't it have been better to stay here and play the youngsters in competitive league matches, matches that actually mean something? It was a ridiculous decision to go to Turkey and if NL needs pointless friendlies to see how good some of our young players are he shouldn't be our manager. I suppose posing for his own calendars and merchandise pictures is more important than watching our own youngsters matches or training sessions.}

12 Jan 2014 19:58:59
Seems a bit of a harsh attack on Lennon, weather he is doing his own Callander or not has nothing to do with anything. Prob done it in his own time.
A think Pukki, balde, biton especially will have gained from these matches.
Am guessing Lennon prob never made the decision to go to Turkey either

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{Ed007's Note - How's it a bit harsh? He should know exactly what level all the youngsters are at and whether they are ready, if he doesn't he isn't doing the job that allows him to hawk his own calendar or merchandise line. Part of his job is to watch the youngsters so it doesn't matter if he done it on his own time, it's hardly a 9-5 job is it, do you think it is OK that our manager has time to pose for pictures but doesn't have time to watch our youth games? What other club manager do you know that his own calendar? It's beyond cringe and is up there with his embarrassing Tw@tter stuff. Managing CFC is a 24/7 job, that is how managers at big clubs usually behave and rightly so. Here's a recent interview with Man City manager Manuel Pellegrini:

http://goo.gl/mNpPYu

That's the level of dedication you need to succeed, great managers know there club inside out and know every detail of the youngsters they have, it's part of their job. Youngsters shouldn't need dragged across Europe to play in meaningless friendlies for the manager to know their capabilities. }

Totally agree that the new players got a chance to show what they can do . And Forrest showed us all, apart from our Manager, what he can't do .
He wasted too many of Celtic's attacking chances by being too greedy to pass to better-positioned players and making poor decisions when he actually did attempt to pass the ball . Which asks the pertinent question - "Why was he made Team Captain for the match .?" Not a team player, in my book .

The Sno Man

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Why having a pop at nl Ed? Don't you think playing against gala first team squad did the players a favor in that they know they have skill and confidence to take on a top club like them? Instead of a spl club? All the players have been happy with the club desicion so why are you upset and having a go at nl? Maybe nl wanted to see just how good the youth is against a top club, this is the problem with you and some fans, the players liked how they went over and are happy to be playing yet you and others like to find the problem with everything. Not having a go at you but don't understand all this made up dislike. Playing youth in the league would have been good as well but they chose something different and I think was the better option for it will do the players good. I'm sure you read how the youngsters are happy and the players, plus we saw what the fringe players can do and after that showing don't you think nl might just change things up? Instead of playing youths a game and then go back to the normal players. All in all everyone is happy as I'm sure nl is and might be thinking of something different. Going away is what some may have wanted to get out of the norm and to add something different

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{Ed007's Note - It doesn't matter how good the young players played in a meaningless friendly. The SPFL is our bread and butter, I'd rather see the youngsters prove they can play at that level first. I said at the time it was a stupid decision to go and play in this tin-pot meaningless tournament and I stand by that. We have a World Cup this summer and CL qualifiers in July, the club's priority should have been to get the league sown up ASAP and allow players rest time towards the end of the season so that they will be ready to play the CL qualifiers. NL is moaning about players being tired yet they are over playing pointless games not to mention the travel involved, the flight delay for a day at Glasgow etc etc. A totally meaningless trip which has served no purpose whatsoever. People have been saying for months that we have youngsters good enough to make the step up so what has changed?}

12 Jan 2014 21:06:05
It's hardly slave labour going over to turkey for afew days. Am sure pukki, balde, biton have all benefited from it aswell, not to mention Henderson going toe to toe with sneidjer.
Each to there own sure other top managers have done books while managing so if Lennon wants to do a Calendar who cares he has done enough in my eyes to get legend status at celtic and can do a calendar if he wants, just sea like something petty to have a go about

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{Ed007's Note - Well personally I would rather see him doing the job he is getting paid for instead of massaging his own ego with calendars and his own clothing range. Did you also think it was petty when we got pumped in the CL this year, or put out of the League Cup by Morton, what about the fact that he hasn't managed to win a treble with no Rangers to challenge us? He should be concentrating on doing anything possible to better the team, that's obviously not happening as the team has regressed.}

What may be meaningless to you may not have been for the players. Haven't seen any player go against the games, we are undefeated and the league will be won early. Just think its pointless hate/dislike cause we don't know what will happen and what you want may just happen. Missing one game in league is nothing yet your all bothered over it. Going to have to agree to disagree and we both have our view on it. I chose not to have a go at the club or nl and just support.

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{Ed007's Note - That's called blind loyalty, you're the perfect customer for the club, well done you!}

Nl won't play kids in the spfl because all he gets is flack when celtic don't dominate or win a game. Ed007 you're so blinkered and negative it's not true. Play kids and lose or draw a couple of games and no fecker turns up for the next one and every one is moaning.

Foxy

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{Ed007's Note - Have you seen recent attendances? Nobody is turning up anyway. If you don't want to turn up because the team draws or loses a couple of games that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me.}

12 Jan 2014 21:47:25
Some people are never happy " meaningless friendly "
tell that to the young boys, a sixteen year old getting
game time, being able to play with a bit of freedom,
well done NL and well done boys, we struggle with
experienced campaigners every week in turgid games at
times, this was a chance to get more than one youngster
On at a time, if we played that game here everybody would
be praising NL, I'm happy to flex our muscles and go on
this break . Ths.

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{Ed007's Note - If we played that game here hardly anyone would have seen it. If fans can't turn up for league or cup games how many would have turned up to watch a meaningless friendly that they they had to buy a ticket for, especially if NL had said he would be playing a lot of youth players?}

I sort of agree with you ed, and with mb, when nl became manager at first I gave him a chance but I just could'nt agree with some of his team selections, but last year every thing seemed to fall into place better, and ok, he has made some bad signings but overall I would say he ended up with the most impressive signing history so far of any tic manager, but I totally agree the young celtic bhoys should all be given a chance in the first team, rather than buy foreign maybe good, has been good players, but you have to remember nl is still a young manager.

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12 Jan 2014 22:44:33
Haha Ed, you just sorted the sparcity of posts in one fell swoop, the blog has been pretty slow for a while, well you just wakened us from our sleep, I think you've hit a nerve,
Anyway keep up the good work . Ths.

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{Ed007's Note - Sometimes I think I expect too much from the club, I should probably know better at my age :)

12 Jan 2014 23:08:16
Morton and Barca games have got nothing to do with clothing ranges or calendars. Managing celtic is a full time job not a 24/7 job . Did Alex ferguson not do a book while managing utd, am sure there's all sorts of stuff done by managers and players outside of there football jobs.

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{Ed007's Note - What has writing books got to do with anything, do you think people actually sit and write them themselves? Who else apart from CFC fans would buy any NL calendars or books, it's sole aim is parting gullible fans to part with even more money, ffs the calendars are down to 2 for the price of one today! You say other managers do things outside of football, who has anything as cringy and as tacky as their own calendar, clothing line and merchandise?
I'm sorry but the CFC job is one of the biggest in football, if you don't give it 100% you will be found out, getting beaten my Morton and pumped in Europe plus the football on show is honking to watch as we scrape 1-0 wins against teams we should be easily beating, all of that is down to one man, the manager. He has shown a lack of tactical knowledge time and time again and has been outsmarted by managers with a fraction of his budget when it has came to some important games. The Morton game was an important game in the grand scheme of things, CFC should be at least contesting the business end of the League Cup, especially with no Rangers to challenge us. I wonder how many trophies Gordon Strachan would have won if he had still been here over the last couple of years.}

Nice debate there, got to say the Ed has a point. the team has been crying out for something different for months. All we hear from NL is that the squad is thin, the players are tired etc etc etc. FFS the manager should be managing his resources first and fore most. He is guilty of overplaying players, and the calendar - first I had heard of it - he ain't big Johann in the looks department. WTF is that about. Could you imagine Big Jock, WGS, MON doing that crap? And BTW, that's 2 games we have missed for meaningless tournaments this year! And don't get me started on the 6-1 and the Morton game. Rant over.

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13 Jan 2014 06:49:13
What's books got to do with it? Exactly what has calendars got to do with it . No they don't write book themselves they do however sit down with who is writing it in there own time they also go out and publicise it a don't see how that effects there managing job. A never said a agree with doing a calendar a just don't see why your bringing it up and saying because he does a calendar he's not doing his job properly . Seriously how long would it have took to pose for afew photos

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Personally, think Lennon was picked as a ploy by the PLC. He was a guy famous for "Celtic to the core" with the fans - even though he admitted the first time he stepped foot in Celtic Park was the day he signed from Leicester at the age of 29, hardly through and through is it? As this "Celtic to the core" figure he would be given plenty time by the support. As a rookie manager he's in no position to demand this and that from the board. His style of football and tactical decisions have gone backwards. He's now in the mentality it's his favourites who play week in, week out, regardless. This season has been embarressing. Forget all this "unbeaten record" crap. The football has been dire to watch, attendances are dropping rapidly, the summer signings as a majority so far have been a failure. We got pumped off some unknown mob in Kazakhstan, then scraped through in injury time at Parkhead. We suffered a record defeat in the group stage to Barcelona's second string. Our fortress record at Celtic Park is now in tatters after being horsed by a poor Milan side, and beaten by Barcelona down to a poor double sub tactical decision. We got put out the League Cup at the first hurdle - Morton at home. But the bedwetters will still be giving it "unbeaten after Christmas" and all will be forgiven.

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13 Jan 2014 10:09:50
HB why are people bed wetters if there not overly critical of the team, manager, board? What do we do moan for the manager to be sacked? Who would want to come to a job that you get sacked for being top of the league and unbeaten in it? And who would do any better? b4 we made CL group stages most people were agreeing for celtic to get there was an achievement but then when were there it's a different story. The Morton game we obviously should have won, to be honest dnt kno much about it a was on ma stag do, but did the youngsters and fringe players mcgeouch, rogic, balde and maybe more not play and let NL down

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MB, a bedwetter is someone who is constantly accepting the reducing standards that Celtic are offering and accepting all the excuses they feed us - whether that's down to tired squad, not able to sign first choice targets, injuries, suspensions, etc. The bedwetters term could also be used for those people who constantly apologise to other fans, media, government, police, etc for rather than sticking to the attack on one is an attack on all mentality that has fizzled out at Celtic. Now it's all about caring what the animals say, opposed to what gets sang on a weekly basis. You've jumped straight on the "unbeaten record" bandwagon, are you happy with the quality of football on offer for the price we pay at the moment? An unbeaten run of poor performances against poorer opposition? I certainly can't justify spending £25-30 to see a Public Limited Company raking in multimillions of pounds on an annual basis struggle against a wee diddy team on a shoestring budget less than a quarter of ours! As for fringe players letting NL down? Lustig, Ambrose, Virgil, Mulgrew, Brown and Pukki all played that night. Stokes, Matthews + Commons came off the bench as well - 9 regular picks alongside fringe players who have came from teams of better quality than Morton and on better wages than their highest paid player losing to them simply isn't on! There's plenty people out there who could do the job Lennon's doing. It's a monkey's job - a one horsed race, with a very real chance of doing back-to-back trebles. The very least that should be expected domestically is the league with two cup finals per season. Lennon's been dumped out the SC at SF's two years ago, LC at SF's last year + LC at first hurdle this year. If you want names of who could do Lennon's job on par with his performance - Steve Clarke, Malky Mackay, Martin Jol, Morten Wieghorst, Paul Hartley + Jackie McNamara come to mind straight off the top of my head!

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13 Jan 2014 15:27:06
A never jumped on any bandwagon of got ma own mind m8. A simply says what manager would won't to come to a team that sack there manager who sits st top of league unbeaten and got us to the group stages that were acceptable to get to b4 we got there.Morton even worse that team should have walked that game so why does the blame lie at his door, he picked a team of players that were easily better but they let him down that night, you dnt get sacked for losing a shock result.
All managers who your guessing would do a better job than Lennon, McNamara when did utd last win, Clarke sacked, McKay sacked where are there tes just now?

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It's not one shock result though, is it? Ross County in the SC SF, Braga + Utrecht away, Sion home + away, Hearts in the SC SF, Kilmarnock in the LC Final, St Midden in last years LC SF, Morton in this year's LC 3rd Round, Karagandy away. You could even include Arbroath taking us to a replay up there in last years SC. They're all howlers in my opinion - and that's a lot of howlers to have in 3 and a half years! I could guarantee if he wasn't such a yes man he'd have got his marching orders for they kind of results. As for your comments for the other managers. Jackie McNamara has Dundee Utd punching well above their weight - they've sold prospect after prospect for the past few years and he seems to have unearthed yet more gems for them. Hence why their young players are being linked with big clubs in England + Spain, and ours aren't. Steve Clarke has been involved at Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham + West Brom - all EPL sides. Malky was sacked for being outspoken about the lack of support by some eedjit who knows nothing about football. He got Cardiff promoted to the English top flight for the first time in their history + won Championship MOTY last season playing very attractive football. But Tan wouldn't spend to prepare the side for the EPL, Malky didn't like it + Tan sacked him.

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13 Jan 2014 17:30:22
Ross county intern manager of Mowbry team, st Mirren, hearts both SPL clubs . Arbroath did we get through, Karagandy 2 legged game we won 3-2. Morton a poor result . Utrect, sion rookie manager then he got it rite and took us to last 16 . Who is to say McNamara, Mckay would do any better no european experience either. Clarke number 2 at all clubs bar WBA wer he got sacked after a year and a bit. McNamaras players are getting noticed by all these big teams am sure lennons had this to.
Oneil, stachan both had poor results

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I know Lennon's brought out various products from calendars to menswear to womenswear to accessories. But I think you need to take the NL tinted glasses off mate lol. Regardless of who the previous manager was - that Celtic team who got pumped at Hampden off Ross County a few years ago had Robbie Keane, Andy Hinkel, Aiden McGeady, Scott Brown, Georgios Samaras, etc in the starting XI. All internationally acclaimed players. Three were actually captain or vice captain of their country - Keano, Broony and Sammy! St Mirren + Hearts may have been SPL teams when they beat us, but both were (and still are) bottom half teams. They simply shouldn't be beating us to a Cup Final. Utrecht + Braga were his first season as manager, but he made the same mistakes the following year against Sion. The simple hard edged facts are that Lennon's done no better a job than Jimmy Calderwood or Billy Reid (heck even me or you) could've done given the money at his disposal and lack of competition!

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As for Strachan, he done magic for us - yet some didn't like him. I loved the wee fella and his record speaks for itself:

Jun 2005 to May 2009

P182, W122, D28, L32, W% 67

SPL winner 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08
SC winner 2007
LC winner 2006, 2009
Last 16 of CL 2006, 2007

Robson + Hartley for me is one of the strongest CM pairings I've seen at Celtic in 20+ years. Add also Boruc + Naka, who for me are modern day legends.

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13 Jan 2014 20:23:15
Love NL always will can't see how getting rid of a manager who is winning the league comfortably would be benaficial for us, get a manager who every chance could do worse .After all that u still don't give Lennon any credit for making last 16 something Martin Oneil couldn't do.
So Lennon should have gon in and made mowbrys mess a sucses, Mowbray who couldn't get all those captains and stars to perform for him.
Many times did strachan qualify for Champ league through qualifiers? A remember Bratislava . If he got straight in those years then he had time to bring in players b4 it started, something lennon doesn't get to do he needs to qualify b4 being aloud to strengthen not given much time for players to settle

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13 Jan 2014 20:35:19
Am not interested in Nl merchandise a just don't think it has got anything to do with his abilities to manage a football club.

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{Ed007's Note - No but it has to do with his priorities and the public image of the club. How do you rate his abilities as manager regarding numerous cup defeats to lower level teams, the car crash that was this season's CL campaign, his inept tactics and the poor overall style of football being played? Not to mention his obvious lack of knowledge and lack of input in training the club's youngsters and 'projects', projects he sanctioned signing and then by his own admission he has been too busy to work with.
Note that he wasn't too busy to launch his own merchandise line or go chasing daft lassies, even kid on lassies, on Tw@tter was he?}

13 Jan 2014 21:30:50
Name me 1 celtic manager who hasn't suffered defeat to lower level teams .
Sorry won't agree doing a calendar in your own time affects your managerial skills absolute nonsense. Long would photos take 2 hours tops next you'll be saying he shouldn't be aloud to go for dinner in his own time either.
A never argued about images at all, only Callander not affecting job

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{Ed007's Note - Obviously I have higher expectations of the club's manager than yourself. I'm still waiting on you naming any other manager who has their own calendar, clothing line and merchandise. Those two hours could be spent working for the club that pays his wages, perhaps taking some training or coaching with the youngsters. Seeing you are the expert on what he does with his time, how can you confidently say it was all done in his own time? There is no way of knowing this, you are only assuming, deal with the facts as you know them, I could assume that he had the pictures taken over THREE days while Mjallby and Parker took training.
So aside from his mortifying self-promotion then can you answer why has a CFC manager, by his own admission, been too busy to work with or even watch the club's fringe players, young players and even his own 'project' signings? Or and I am repeating myself here, what about the car crash that was this season's CL campaign, his inept tactics and the poor overall style of football being played? The attendances at CP show that fans are not happy with what is on show, again that buck stops firmly at the manager's door.}

13 Jan 2014 22:15:22
When did I ever claim to be an expert on NL time?
A gave you ferguson doing a book but for some reason that publicity doesn't count . A don't know what other managers have done for publicity but doing a book is a pretty big 1. Now your telling me I'm assuming he done it in his own time, well your assuming he isn't where's the difference . Am still waiting for you to give me a celtic manager that hasn't lost to lower level teams .

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{Ed007's Note - Alex Ferguson or anyone else did not write their own books, what exactly don't you understand about that? Alex Ferguson was the first in the door at Carrington and last to leave unless he was away on club business, he knew every detail of every player on Utd's books, even down to the schoolboys in training a couple of nights a week. NL has admitted he has been too busy to do this, doing what?
I never said as a fact that NL didn't do it in his own time, it was you that started assuming that he did, I just showed that I can assume things as well, it doesn't make it right.
Frank Connor was never defeated by any team during his time as CFC manager by the way so now will you answer any of the questions I have asked you or will we just keep going round in circles about this? Please try and stick to the facts as you are starting to sound like an excited child repeating the same thing over and over, and to be honest you are boring me. I have better things to do with my time than argue with people who can't answer straight forward questions, I've answered everything you have asked me, if you can't return the courtesy and do the same then this conversation is over.}

13 Jan 2014 22:42:36
Your using Frank Connor only a caretaker or assistant and am not getting ferguson lmfao, 4 matches he was caretaker gr8 argument haha

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{Ed007's Note - You asked me to name a manager who hadn't lost to lower league teams, I done that so what's your problem, because I could answer a straight question with a straight answer? You still no answer to any my questions though so as I said, this conversation is over. You are only trolling now and your obvious lack of knowledge is only showing that you aren't smart enough to debate or discuss anything.}

14 Jan 2014 07:03:48
That's a couple of times we've had discussions and u always seem to result to insults. Frank Connor was never manager only caretaker or assistant never had job on full time basis, a never asked u to name a caretaker manager!
And if you can't see that ferguson doing a book is self publicising in the same way as Lennon doing a calendar only on a bigger scale then that's your problem.
And again ferguson sits down and tells whoever is writing book what goes in it he doesn't write it himself in the same way lennon doesn't take the photos or put the calendar together.

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12 Jan 2014 19:21:37
Impressive display from the young lads, most of them didn't look too out of place.

Why does Lenny not trust these players in the spl, with the absence of the great unwashed this was surely the perfect time to bring through our youth rather than spending good money on average players.

I have always been a big fan of Lenny but he really needs to mature as a manager and learn from his mistakes, I feel his time is running out.

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12 Jan 2014 18:56:51
are the 3 Dundee utd midfielders getting the rave reviews better than Henderson? is souttar better than odonnell or fraser?, herron and fisher played out of position and done well also, biton good again same as balde and pukki . let's not buy more squad players and give our youngsters their chance, but sadly I don't think that will happen and we will bring in 2-3 average within budget signings to warm the bench,,,,, deep river bhoy

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Thought the young boys were impressive tonight. Biton and Henderson especially. We need to give these lads a shot at it rather than clutter up the bench with overpriced overpaid squad players. No point signing these boys and never letting them see the light of day.

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Bang on mate.Lenny must start dripping these kids into the first team.Some outstanding displays out there today, that needs to be rewarded.

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Totally agree. There are good players at celtic who should be given their chance. They had more of a chance with WGS than they are getting under NL. And before I'm accused of bashing Lennon there are posters out they're who are agreeing. Integrate a crop of youth with experience. The only way forward.

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12 Jan 2014 18:49:20
What a hugely encouraging display from the kids, some of the first team should be looking over their shoulders after this. Some great stuff from Henderson, is it just me or is there a touch of the Roy Keane about this boy? In their face and no respect or fear shown at all, outstanding.Heron had a cracker as well, I now see why this boy is so highly rated. Fraser and O'Connell were both well tested and came through unscathed, and big Amido looks to have learned and worked his end really well.Young Fisher cannot be ignored for much longer, added to the fact the boy has not put a foot wrong when playing for the first team.

The youth is there Lenny, it's up to you to integrate them as early as possible.Forget this unbeaten nonsense, we will receive no credit for it from the press anyway, the greater good is what we need to deal in. When you think back to the Dublin game v Liverpool it is poor some of these kids have not had game time. Very impressive all round and very unlucky to lose out on a trophy.

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12 Jan 2014 19:22:14
GJ thought Henderson was brilliant was in your face no fear but on the ball the way he used that turn on more than 1 occasion to get away from players was excellent. Im not sure is that the Cruyff turn?

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12 Jan 2014 17:50:29
Biton looking a decent find . bossing it nicely in there . Turks have a strong team out for the second half. Will test the younger lads.

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12 Jan 2014 18:46:37
Thought that was a decent wee game there Bhoys done well Henderson and biton for me stand outs . A lot have slated this tournament but think it could have gave some players a much needed confidence boost most notably pukki and Balde, pukki on these 2 performances looks as if he could prove afew wrong me included. And big Balde with that penalty must fancy his chances to score in SPL . All round a worth while exercise for me.

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12 Jan 2014 17:23:24
Enjoyable half, encouraged by big Baldie and Pukki 2 games in a row .Hopefully Baldie will get a few games in succession, seems to be improving .
I'm sure Lawwell has spotted the GB has infiltrated the home fans and will do everything to ensure this is stamped out .

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12 Jan 2014 16:49:58
Game live on Virgin 551 for free
Kevbhoy

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12 Jan 2014 16:38:47
Just seen the team for the game.Man it's young! could be interesting or could get very nasty in front of a big crowd of mad Turks! Brilliant to see young Fraser back in the Hoops.i think this Bhoy could be a real star of the future for us.Really looking forward to this now.

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12 Jan 2014 16:12:35
Radio Scotland yesterday. Q " Did rfc die"? Graham Spiers " yes they did, the club died I'm not buying into this mythical company nonsense. I refuse to have my intelligence insulted" well said GS maybe now other journalists will maybe show some balls and stop the same club p!sh. Over to you radio Snyde.

Briggs

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Dont hold your breath mate. Spiers has always said this but the collection of clowns on snyde never will.

Perfect example Guidi: I don't care what UEFA say they will always be the same club to me.

There you go.A reporter on a national red top claims it does not matter what UEFA say. Ludicrous.

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Heard that on radio Scotland, thought tam cowans next question was funny too

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Agree GJ I've heard you mention that but we live in hope.

@2 was that; 'next question, should Graham check under his car in the morning?' Funny but with a hint of truth in it.

Briggs

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12 Jan 2014 14:17:30
Hi, any links for the game today. cheers all
Ticbhoy

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Premier sports 16.35 channel 551 virgin media
dhman

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12 Jan 2014 16:26:08
What's peoples team for the night fancy try changing up a wee bit give some fringe players the time needed, dnt kno who's away but.

1. Zaluska

2. Fischer 5. Odonnell 4.Ambrose 3. Izzy

6. Biton7. Mulgrew

8. Pukki9. Atajic10. Brighter

11. Balde

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12 Jan 2014 16:28:38
Wow sum changes no experience at the back could be a mistake

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12 Jan 2014 13:05:41
For a few months I have been meeting a sevconian while out walking my dog.He always seemed like a pretty reasonable dude, thought the club was new being the big opinion he had, but something has changed him.

Talking this morning about the laughable 'land deal and co-op bank loan' non story he claimed another twist on this, one I have not heard.It seems we are sitting on some piece of land with around £50m of mineral rights hanging on it.As I say I have not heard of this so could not argue with him, ED perhaps you could enlighten me?

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{Ed007's Note - I never had you down as a dogger mate, is it Billy Davies you are meeting by any chance ;) It's a non-story that was made up on CQN to wind up the desperate Sevco fans:

www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=14469

Thanks Ed, except for the dogger quip! Well it seems to have worked with him!I thought it sounded like nonsense but hopefully he spreads this round sevconia and the usual suspects can 'investigate' then report back to McTurdo.

Incidentally, do you think we should tell the police to go to legless's house? He has disappeared since claiming the board at ibrokes would be ousted?

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{Ed007's Note - I noticed that he has been missing, we never even got to read his annual puff piece about a group of jakeys passing the pox-ridden Loving Cup around.}

To be fair Ed the loving cup (what a piece of irony that is!) just does not work with cheap cider in it does it?

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{Ed007's Note - Oh is it alcohol in it? I always thought they all cracked one off into it before passing it round, hence the 'loving' part.}

And that answer is why your top Ed mate! Still chuckling at it.

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{Ed007's Note - The whole thing is ridiculous though, what other club (or company??) go through BS ceremonies like that? It's like something out of a Dan Brown novel, would you honestly drink out a cup after The Slug has had his greasy lips on it?}

Key word 'ceremonies'. You know they love a ceremony! I was surprised they never had their trouser leg rolled up and a nipple showing!

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know about nipples but there was plenty of t*ts there!}

12 Jan 2014 02:37:44
Manchester United watching Jordan Larsson, ., .kbarry

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