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31 Dec 2017 14:08:01
Wanted to get back to transfer activity as the mad month approaches. Is there any transfers we know are likely coming our way. I have said I'd of liked a decent centre back, even better right back and a left winger to challenge or even out do Sinclair on the opposite wing. Saying that we've got one centre back coming in (unsure of the quality and Europa league cup tied) and news on a right back? How about musonda?

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1.) 31 Dec 2017 15:21:36
Don’t want Musonda if it’s a loan

Sign permanently or stay a prospect in the EPL reserves.


2.) 31 Dec 2017 19:37:14
Hate loans unless u can buy.


3.) 31 Dec 2017 21:19:59
I'd take a player on loan for 18 months if it's to benefit our chances in Europe. It's not always about making money on player but progressing as a team at a competitive level.


4.) 01 Jan 2018 01:47:54
A right back? Bring back adam matthews. Recently watching the team at throw ins has been brutal.


5.) 01 Jan 2018 10:22:36
PMCF I liked Matthews but I'm sure he scrutinized the club when he left. I think we could do better.


6.) 03 Jan 2018 03:24:57
We need to be more dangerous from set plays, but I don't think Adam mathews is the answer.


7.) 03 Jan 2018 23:16:12
If we hadn't played 10 games more than any other team in SPL . We would have 30 full days to train and practice set pieces . I am sure that would make us more dangerous from them.


 

 

 

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03 Jan 2021 13:56:30
Reflections on the game and season so far. Its been a strange one. Meant to be our biggest season in recent history. We've broke many records along the way but the 10IAR was the one we wanted. Unfortunately I think it's now out of grasp, it's luck we need, outwith luck there is no way to win the league now.

This season has been disappointing due to no fans attendances, poor recruitment, injuries/ C.V., our domestic performances, our continental performances. We seem to have been hit with so many factors and seem not be be able to overcome them.

Yesterday's performance outwith the result was encouraging, it was dominant it showed we have when fit the strongest team in Scotland. 11 v 11 we didn't look likely to lose. As much as Biton was sent off (deservedly) and he was playing well until then, he wouldn't of even started had jullien been fit. Which yet again sums up our season.

Who hold the blame for our season. Neil Lennon? The board? Lawell? Nick Hammond? The players? It's easy to point fingers. Genuinely the final blame will always be at the managers feet. But I think Lenny has went and thought about how to get the best out the team and the last 6 games with the diamond has shown he has the knowledge to make good decisions.

I personally hold lawell and nick Hammond accountable, there recruitment strategy and management of finances of recent has been nothing short of diabolical. These two need removed and replaced.

The team: well we need a GK, another 1 maybe 2 centre half of decent quality. We need frimpong to have a challenge in his position but he needs to work on his end product. Left back laxalt is good, but his defensive side needs improvement. I don't see him being here long term that's another replacement. Midfield Christie, Moi, brown, ? rogic, ntcham all likely to go this season. Eddie and? Ajeti gone. These are players that will all need replaced with decent quality. If we want to progress this can't be with loans. The fact we could be in such a disasterous recruitment situation comes down to the money men and recruitment "specialist".

Hopefully we can recruit better (starting this month) and in the summer. You never know luck might be on our side and things change but we should be working towards long term strategy than such short vision. The guys that caused this should be held accountable.

What's your guys thoughts?

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1.) 03 Jan 2021 14:09:30
I think, like you, that recruitment has been poor this last year or two, with the exception of Turnbull? Can we rebuilt off CalMac, Soro and Turnbull? It’s a big task, and I suspect we need changes at the top to get it done. There are a lot of assets to be sold, so there will be cash. But we need to buy better. The other mob have probably bought better than us over the last two years, but where they got the money from, who knows? And they’re effective, but not a great team. We were better than them yesterday with eleven.
So, who goes and where, and who comes in?


2.) 03 Jan 2021 14:33:54
I think CalMac, Soro and Turnbull have the good basis of a midfield. We still would need at least another 2 possibly to replace Soro and Turnbull if our players weren't fit enough or injuries etc. Forrest and Johnstone back will add width to the midfield. Griff needs games under his belt but will always be a decent striker. With Eddie and (hopeful Ajeti) away we need a striker of similar quality to an inform Eddie/ Moussa mould. We are talking millions needing to be spent or at least a world-class scouting network finding players with real talent who are 80% of the finished product rather than the 50/ 50 game we've been playing. They might be good but we're not sure attitude. I just don't see with Hammond and Lawell such actions being taken but. I think they need to go and we should be picking appropriate replacements.


3.) 03 Jan 2021 14:37:37
Hammond is no better than congerton and should be sacked for not doing his job. l genuinely believe some of us if given the opportunity we would do a better job.


4.) 03 Jan 2021 15:10:16
I hate saying this but I don't think we are an attractive club for recruitment.

Potentially the other side across the city looks like a more attractive club to sign for at present. They have an ex-England captain with a good football pedigree as manager (as in playing at a high level, players know by playing for him he knows what it takes to make it in the EPL) . They have steadily progressed in the last few years they have been last 16 in Europa League and look cert to win the SPL against a team that has had the financial upper hand.

We in turn have struggled to make the last 32 of EL most years of recent, unable to make the CL. Won the league but looks like a possibility of winning nothing. When BR came in he changed the professional approach of the club. We had decent recruitment initially we looked strong in some of our CL games. We were invincible. Players had the belief that playing with Celtic meant CL exposure. We have the likes of KT and CalMac making progressing from the academy. Do they beleive that now? we have players trying everything to push for a move. We need a big change, good investment and restored faith in the direction of the club.

We knew McGinn was the right player but Lawell didn't want to spend money. Toney (Championship top goalscorer) was the player to go for in the summer we dragged our heals and brought in Ajeti a West Ham reject. Why sign rejects and not players clubs don't want to lose? The boy in the MLS McKenzie getting great review but we will drag our heals. I'm all for getting the best value for money but if we need the player and we have the money just spend it, don't spend the same money of a player of a lesser standard. This is the attitude that has cost us so dearly.


5.) 03 Jan 2021 16:46:50
Great honest post 4leafclover.

Everything you have said is the truth.


6.) 03 Jan 2021 16:56:50
4 leaf clover good points 👍.


7.) 03 Jan 2021 17:03:52
I think your spot on 4leafclover.
They can change lennon for who ever they want, same old story will continue until we change our recruitment/ strategy. We don't bring through enough youth and our recruitment beggars belief at times. I want real change and DOF. I presume desmond is the only one who can bring about that kind of change.


8.) 03 Jan 2021 17:56:11
I've got no doubt that BR leaving had a lot to do with our ambition as a club and Lawwells non stop interference in all things relating to signing player's.

BR isn't a yes man, Lawwell will not back down, BR leaves with the club picking up 9M in compensation and we get NL - a yes man who needed a job.

Fast forward to this season.


9.) 03 Jan 2021 18:32:07
4leafclover, good post.
As many have said previously, we seem to dilly dally sometimes when we are in for a player.
If we were to sign any SPL players who would you all want?
Lewis Ferguson is the one for me.
What about Eamonn Brophy, surely would be better than Klimala?


10.) 03 Jan 2021 20:01:10
RJ10 Lewis Ferguson because of the midfield role he could play. I'd even take Lewis or marciano for goalkeeping as they've done better than we've got.

But there is a lot more leagues to look at Championship, league 1 (England) , ligue 1 France, seria a lower team Italy, MLS, allsvenskan, eliteserien, Danish superliga, Hungarian league, super lig (turkey) . Plenty of decent players to recruit from. There will be in those leagues at least 4 gems that with proper scouting network we could have a chance of recruiting. We need to be willing to pay the reasonable rate asked to take these teams better players and create a wage structure to compete with decent European teams. I just think we appear to have limited mentality in recruiting.


11.) 03 Jan 2021 20:39:28
4leafclover, I'm with you mate.


 

 

30 Nov 2020 13:55:14
I've been vocal recently about the poor decisions from the management/ coaching team. Some have been really bizarre. I've also moaned about our constant downsizing. Selling decent players replacing them with very average. We've went from entitled champions league mentality to praying each summer we make the Europa League. This has come from boardroom and lawells mentality. They are not willing to gamble spend to accumulate and at the same time club progression. Early door under Rodgers I seen us as a club wanting to set standards similar to some of the Dutch and Portuguese teams this has since faded.

Frankly, last night was a disgrace a tarnish on our supporters reputation and as a club. I understand if we did sonically distanced peaceful protest to allow the club to hear the fans voice but it was a mess and has embarrassed us.

Id love to see lennon pull this back and walk away in May with 10 in a row, not many more "celtic" minded people in football deserve it. But I think if he hadn't been aware of the hysteria him and his players were causing until last night then he needs to go unfortunately. We need a fresh professional high standards of coaching staff with experience. We need a mindset and mentality brought amongst players and club. What was brown doing as a captain to increase moral amongst players during a C.V. (if nothing then he passes that role over) . This is the time for true leaders to come to the front of celtic. If lennon stays then an overhaul of coaching, training set ups and players (in January) are needed.

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22 Nov 2020 12:27:36
Didn't catch the game yesterday due to work. But seems from comments much the same from before the international break. I feel as though we've managed to get a result then the break has came and put us back to square one. I think its a lot to do with tactics, unsure of our strongest team, loyalty to players in positions, the lack of wingers in the team, loss of professional standard, lack of belief and unfortunately out of form players.

This is clearly down to factors coming from the training field, management and certain players. The problem is there is in theory possibly only 5 points between us and them with 3 old firm games to go and more half a season. Do we change manager and backroom staff early and gamble on that being a success of further hindering out chances? Or do we continue with the belief and backing, hoping to ride out the rough patch and salvage this?

One things for sure if we don't get the cherished 10 in a row, heads should hang from board room down to the players. We've had money, players and further opportunity. Fans have backed and continously invested in the club and to have it thrown back in their face is an unacceptable standard at celtic football club.

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1.) 22 Nov 2020 12:41:17
What is the gap going to be after another week of Lennon in charge? and another week after that, and then another week after that? If the board don't sack Lennon now it's because we can't afford a decent replacement!


2.) 22 Nov 2020 12:46:22
I’m with u malkybhoy, I said the same thing to my mate after the rangers game and again after the Aberdeen game. I’m not overly fussed about the europa compared to domestic this season but even the performances there, especially that Prague game that’s another game lennon could e easily gone after. Like u said how many more points dropped and rank rotten performances have we to witness before something’s done?


3.) 22 Nov 2020 12:52:41
Malky I ain't a fan of lennon. I think tactically he can be naive. It appears he has prepared for big games in the past but doesn't keep that professional standard every game.

You hear the likes of brown talking about the professional standards Rodgers brought to the club a different way of thinking and preparing. Why was these standards not there from the start and did Lennon not have these prior? I'm just cautious that we go for a cheap foreigner or overhyped lower table BPL or championship type manager, who doesn't bring the standards we require.


4.) 22 Nov 2020 13:17:56
It was clear at half time that elyounousi and Ajeti weren't working. This is when Eddy and Grif should have came on.

It just seems that Lennon cannot get the team motivated for these closed door games. There is just a lack of passion and urgency.

We need changes and we need it now!


5.) 24 Nov 2020 12:03:52
That doesn't stop Broony being professional himself regardless of manager. He's been rotten like the rest. Laxalt and Christie get a pass from me. The rest have chucked it.


 

 

08 Nov 2020 09:25:53
So after somewhat emotional (but honest) opinions from majority fans recently about the teams performance and leadership. I'm going to throw a question at you all.

We all want Lennon to do well, its good for the club its good for him as he is one of our own. The bigger picture is we are 9 points behind with 2 games in hand (likely 3 points of a difference) not the end of the world. But the panic button is we can't seem to string consecutive results together and Lennon until Thursday seemed lackadaisical on criticising the team and admitting problems (let's hope this has changed) .

Now to the question. We are looking from a response from players and fans and a continued domestic winning streak from now until the winter break - to ensure 10iar is required.

But.

What kind of a result this weekend would you be looking for to suggest Lennon has addressed the issue of players attitude and mentality?

4leafclover

1.) 08 Nov 2020 09:58:20
I don’t think a win today addresses the problem alone. It of course requires first and foremost winning result but the performance levels need to be 100% improved on and all that needs to be done over numerous games. Most thought after Lille and the semi against Aberdeen we were back, didn’t take long to realise the truth. What absolutely amazes me is an interview with lennon I read this morning where he states he made the team watch a rerun of thursdays game and that’s the first he’s done that in a long long time. well my god what about after the rangers debacle? Would that not be one of the first things you’d do with the team and sit them down and analyse the full shambolic 90 minutes? Same with the ferencvaros game? What are lennon and his coaching staff doing up at lennoxtown during the weeks?


2.) 08 Nov 2020 10:12:04
Gerry I seen that myself was a bit shocked. In modern day football following our defensive errors of late the team should be going through vigorous video analysis of our defensive errors and made to learn. It seems as though professional standards have dropped.
I was under no illusion with Lille or Aberdeen. Lille started well but the problems were seen after the 2nd half. Aberdeen was a stop gap, the players performed when it meant more to them but the performance in general was not breath taking as the way it was made out.

I'm expecting goals 2/ 3 minimum from our side. First to every ball and collecting scraps. Defensively solid and players putting there bodies in the way to get this result. Anything less shows - no change. I'd be happy to see leadership on the park supporting any mistakes but also players making others aware of their faults. Its moments like this that the bhoys become men and champions stand out.


3.) 08 Nov 2020 10:16:58
I think any result today will only paper over the cracks.
I know Lennon is a great servant to the club and is a fan but this shouldn't hide the fact that he isn't a great manager.
Tactically he can't seem to get to grips with our defensive problems and we no longer create much at the other end, also the fitness levels don't look great as we look out on our feet at the end of every game. Sevco are routinely outplaying us and Lennon has no idea how to reverse this trend.
I truly hope we get a result today as I hate all the gloating towards us at the moment but it shouldn't disguise the limitations of the manager and that things need to change sooner rather than later.


4.) 08 Nov 2020 10:46:11
It doesn't matter what the result is today, he has lost the dressing room and I think a victory today will only paper over the cracks, and with the 2 games in hand are you sure we would win those games they way we are playing at the moment because I am not so sure, also I don't think there is a winter break this year.


5.) 08 Nov 2020 11:04:43
Marco that's why fear is setting in because we can't string results together and there is no certainty that we can close that gap. This appears to be the first instance this season lennon could use a tough love approach if this doesn't work then we need a different manager to change things.


 

 

05 Nov 2020 22:34:08
Appreciate Lennons somewhat honest (maybe slightly held back) interview. He recognised the fault comes on him and his dressing room. He apologised for the result and admits its unacceptable. Personally I want to say he's to late. We're out of Europe, we look an inferior team in comparison to rangers and someone else needs to take command. However if he comes back in gets some discipline and professionalism into this squad he could turn the league around at least - but his days are numbered.

Personally there is a list of players needing dropped out this side. Duffy for Welsh (get Julian, ayer or bitton in as the main centre back) get elhamed into right back as we need a defender even Taylor in at left back until we get a proper left winger. Until forrest is back we need to use frimpong as the right winger and laxalt on the left. We need a balance in the middle of the park turnball, calmac and christie/ moi (after his 2 week disciplinary for his actions) and then we go for grif upfront (even for the first half to get goals) and get Eddie in after he finds his confidence and form back. Ajeti couldn't get in a West ham side and looks more unfit than grif, and for all the effort klimala puts in he needs 7 shots to get a goal, it ain't good enough.

Lennon needs to set a standard for players stop wrapping them in wool, if the fans had attended they'd of been calling for resignations and players to come out answering. Hopefully this is the light bulb moment for the manager and his team and they recognise change is needed.

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1.) 06 Nov 2020 00:27:11
Lennon needs to walk end off, if he doesn't walk PL needs to sack him, its Lennon no 1 else just leave, u might love my club but so do I and I couldn't manage just leave NOW.


 

 

 

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11 Jan 2021 13:44:35
The club deserves nothing more.

I had faith we were heading back to our normal ways. But it seems the clubs management/ decision makers are made up of self entitled ar**holes who seem to think that footballers are above the rules and can do what they want. First time I can truly say I feel the values of the club are no longer aligned with the fans. They've basically showed no thoughts for the people dying and seriously ill from this challenge not to mind people suffering from the downsides of lockdown. What part of essential travel did they not get? regardless if we were not in an official lockdown Glasgow was in tier 4. They club should have anticipated problems and potential a PR disaster. 13 first team staff down what a humiliating outcome.

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29 Nov 2020 17:47:33
JFP not embarrassing its gutting this is what we have resorted to. We had belief in going for the 10. We've been fed sh*t. Its okay to pay for virtual season tickets at excessive prices. Pay for club merchandise but been forced to watch the sh*t whilst they collect in excess of 10k a week salaries. The fans are voicing their concerns can't complain about it this time.

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24 Aug 2020 16:48:35
Id like to think we'll get over £35 million at least for Eddie with at least a 10% and on. We are a selling club, but don't need to sell our assets for cheap. If we get Cl football we're guaranteed 30million +. I do think he will go to a top 10 England, top 4 in France or italy. But will be either end of this season or by October this years if we don't mke CL.

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22 Jan 2020 17:03:35
Griffiths on his day, given his age etc. Is clearly a £12-15 million pound striker and what he adds is superb, set piece taker, fantastic natural striker of the ball and a deadly goalscorer. But given his issues and performance over the last 18 month anything about 7 and he'd be off for me. That money could be used elsewhere.

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01 Dec 2019 11:35:08
Surely Griffiths and sinclair have got to start at some point. Playing players in their natural positions.

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03 Jan 2021 21:21:01
The board needs to have the bottle to sack and replace them. We need to go out and find the right men for the job. Lawell has done well ensuring the club becomes wealthy but he has taken more than his fair share and jeopardised the football on the field. I understand he hasn't wanted to gamble to much, but he really needed to be willing to invest more in the quality of players.

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03 Jan 2021 20:44:46
JFP, we should of been working on the basis of x2 £7 million signings for players from teams such as ferencvaros, molde, rosenborg, midtylland, olympiacos and PAOK. £7million plus add ons and we should of been looking to develop these players into £15+ whilst taking us further in Europe and at the same time the odd 1 or 2 £3 million gamble on players like turnbull, sorro, kilmala and hoping at least 1 or 2 them might break in, alongside our youth.

That's how we should of been developing for the last 5 years. But instead we've constantly gambled on the £3 million players and sold our best players Foster, van djyk, Tierney, ki, Johansen, wanyama, hooper, Armstrong, moussa for a fortune, we've not regularly replaced these players with quality. We seem to take on frequent projects. This is where we have went wrong its okay doing that and buying the likes as above for buttons, but our luck is running out with these constant gambles, why did we not invest in a squad regularly? That's as I said lawell and the recruitment teams fault.

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03 Jan 2021 20:01:10
RJ10 Lewis Ferguson because of the midfield role he could play. I'd even take Lewis or marciano for goalkeeping as they've done better than we've got.

But there is a lot more leagues to look at Championship, league 1 (England) , ligue 1 France, seria a lower team Italy, MLS, allsvenskan, eliteserien, Danish superliga, Hungarian league, super lig (turkey) . Plenty of decent players to recruit from. There will be in those leagues at least 4 gems that with proper scouting network we could have a chance of recruiting. We need to be willing to pay the reasonable rate asked to take these teams better players and create a wage structure to compete with decent European teams. I just think we appear to have limited mentality in recruiting.

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03 Jan 2021 19:17:34
UI I wasn't overwhelmed with the signings.

Barkas I only seen when he played against us he was okay then. I based my early opinion on a Greek international. I'd of hope the scouting team and done their job.

Duffy, I never rated I hope the mention of a no nonsense defender was what was going to follow, that was a lie. His international experience ment Fek all. Mainly because I don't rate the ROI squad that highly, and I certainly don't rate a sub/ reserve player of Brighton highly. Again would of hoped the scouting team done their job.

Ajeti I honestly didn't know. I was hoping like most fans the money that was spent would of been of value. But again why is celtic football club who want to be a regular CL team going for their second option in a Westham reject.

Laxalt again never heard much of, he was ac Milan sub/ reserve which is naturally not a bad thing. But at same point hoped that the scouting team had done their job. I think he's been a half decent wingback just needs to work on strengthens the defensive side of his game.

So in short our recruitment was ifs and buts. Barkas wasn't our first choice, Duffy is duff (loan) , laxalt isn't the finished article we are working on him for what ac Milan to sell to someone else (loan) , moi blows hot and cold again Southampton reject isn't worth £15mill but isn't a bad squad player (loan) , turnbull decent signing which we all knew he had serious potential to be, ajeti looks overweight slow and from the occasional game he has an attitude which to me he rates himself higher than he is, he again was our 2nd choice. One bad signing is allowed but only 1 truly decent signing says it all from the recruitment team.

That's my honest opinion. This should of been avoided with less of a gamble on our 2nd choice players.

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03 Jan 2021 15:10:16
I hate saying this but I don't think we are an attractive club for recruitment.

Potentially the other side across the city looks like a more attractive club to sign for at present. They have an ex-England captain with a good football pedigree as manager (as in playing at a high level, players know by playing for him he knows what it takes to make it in the EPL) . They have steadily progressed in the last few years they have been last 16 in Europa League and look cert to win the SPL against a team that has had the financial upper hand.

We in turn have struggled to make the last 32 of EL most years of recent, unable to make the CL. Won the league but looks like a possibility of winning nothing. When BR came in he changed the professional approach of the club. We had decent recruitment initially we looked strong in some of our CL games. We were invincible. Players had the belief that playing with Celtic meant CL exposure. We have the likes of KT and CalMac making progressing from the academy. Do they beleive that now? we have players trying everything to push for a move. We need a big change, good investment and restored faith in the direction of the club.

We knew McGinn was the right player but Lawell didn't want to spend money. Toney (Championship top goalscorer) was the player to go for in the summer we dragged our heals and brought in Ajeti a West Ham reject. Why sign rejects and not players clubs don't want to lose? The boy in the MLS McKenzie getting great review but we will drag our heals. I'm all for getting the best value for money but if we need the player and we have the money just spend it, don't spend the same money of a player of a lesser standard. This is the attitude that has cost us so dearly.

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