Celtic Rumours Archive May 04 2016

 

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04 May 2016 05:30:46
Hi Ed not posted in a while bud hope all well with you, was just to see if you had any inside info on who new manager will be, me personally would like Moyes with Clarke his assistant but not sure if Clarke would fancy being a number 2 again but think they would be good team. As a said hope all well with you bud hail hail.

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{Ed007's Note - I've nothing concrete, sorry, Chris. I really can't see it being Moyes as I think he's got jobs he has his eye on before he would really consider CFC and he would have a lot of demands that will rock the boat.
If Moyes gets the job there's no need for Clarke if he can persuade his No.2 Steve Round to join him we'd be gettig one of best young coaches in the game and it would be quite a coup getting rouund. Here's some of the murmurings etc doing the rounds:

Now this is a mix of half rumours, half truths and possibly a big dollop of BS in there as well but I'll try and make it as sensible to read as I can mate.

- Peter Lawwell's position has been being independently audited over recent months - board members are not happy with the way things are going. Dermot Desmond never even stayed for the penalties at Hampden and made it abundantly clear to Lawwell late on the Sunday night that it was unacceptable.

- Dermot Desmond has taken it upon himself to appoint the next manager which could spell the end for Lawwell and Park if true. And we know DD likes to aim big(ish).

- A Director of Football has been discussed but who or by whom I couldn't even guess. MON over Roy Keane has been mentioned but I think that's pie in the sky stuff.

- The Keanes and Moyes level of manager are not prepared to work under the current conditions with Lawwell and Park and want significant investment in the team.

- The Keanes and Moyes level of manager want to be able to bring in their own people (if Moyes could bring in Steve Round it would be quite a coup imo) and have full control over player recruitment in a more traditional approach.

- Bitton and Johansen will be moved on to provide the manager with funds to start with a portion of any sales going into that fund too.

- The two board members who wanted Neil Lennon out are adamant that he won't be returning to the Club.

- One the main reasons that Scott Allan hasn't been getting a sniff is that players like Commons and Forrest were in his ear the moment he got in the door undermining the manager and it has seriously affected Allan's frame of mind, the lad doesn't know if he's coming or going and is listening to bad advice from the rotten apple players and unless they get their one wish it could cost a few players their CFC career.

Remember I'm not saying any of that is true, but this is.

-Serial snake and part-time media mole Kris Commins has told his very good friend and go to guy in the media HUGH KEEVINS that Neil Lennon will be returning. Which has upset a lot of people - has Peter Lawwell now twigged the worst kept secret in football in where stories the stories from CFC are being leaked from.
Remember it's not just Commons who needs the high profile of playing at Scotland's premier club - his Mrs enjoys the WAG celebrity lifestyle up here she could only dream of down south where... let's just say both their reputations make them very unpopular in English footballing circles which was the main reason he wanted to move up here in the first place.
Brand Commons would be as insignificant as the guy selling lighters on a street corner wheras up here they've played a PR blinder and got everyone eating out their hands keeping the profile up, even when he wanted a new contract he had his clothes horse wife out on the campaign trail travelling to away games on supporters buses (which Club security advised against) and pulling pints in The Hoops down the Gallowgate to just show how much the Club and fans mean to them - which is obviously bollocks, both of them together have manipulated people at the Club and the fans. It's a just a pity so many of our support fell for their marketing ann PR ploy.}

04 May 2016 13:02:46
ED007 thanks for all that "info/ gossip/ rumour" whatever it is, I too believe Commons and Mulgrew were the main troublemakers under Delia, Forrest has a cheek if what you say is also true. I hope DD will now take a more positive interest in the running of our great club.
My own preferance for a manager would be Di Matteo and Clark as coach, I believe both worked together at Chelsea.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't get the fuss about RDM, he landed on his feet with a chance at Chelsea and remember the tactics they played in that final? I think things might become a bit of a circus. I'd replace John Park with Stevie Clarkke in a heartbeat as long as the incoming manager manager agreed with the appointment.}

04 May 2016 13:53:35
Wow. Interesting stuff - especially the KC part. Funnily enough, my main gripe with him was on footballing grounds, but that stuff really takes the biscuit. I heard Keevins say a current player had told him that Lennon would be returning. For all Mr and Mrs Commons love the PR game, that one was ill judged. If Commons is so desperate for an ex player to take over, maybe we should go get Stevie G πŸ˜‰

On a serious note, All things considered, is there someone you would like to see get the gig ED?

I mentioned the other day that Karanka or Hughton? (whomever doesn't go up automatically) would be interesting. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Hughton from a realistic PoV.

Moyes (with SR) would be great for a host of reasons, one of which being the statement of ambition. I'm not for Larsson, Martinez, McKay, Lennon, RDM or Rodgers. They do nowt for me.

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{Ed007's Note - I''d take Stevie G as manager just to see the look on Commons face and I hate the guy! If I'm honest I don't know, there's guys like Yakin I'd love but I can't see it. I wanted Yakin the summer RD came in. Out of the usual suspects I have to pick Keane for no other reason than it's Keane so my heart - and hormones - are ruling my head. There's that many brilliant young coaches and managers out there but who's to say they wouldn't come in and face the same problems that arose with RD.
I 100% agree with your definitely no list.
Where do you guys think we're looking:

A - The usual suspects of Moyes, Keane and *shudder* Neil Lennon returning?

B - A top foreign coach with a reputation - that will cost plenty? Someone mentioned Artur Jorge to me but he's older than Timalloy - perhaps a DOF role?

C- An up and coming young foreign with limited success but a decent reputation - another RD?

D- Dredging the barrel and getting names like Hartley and Stubbs - and we force RD out for results in Europe?

What people need to remember that it isn't just a new manager or coach we need, we need people who are going to work at changing the way the club was ran. I still think Lawwell had the right idea in getting RD in, but he was trying to do things that the dinosaurs making the decisions weren't willing to change incase it rocked their cushy wee set-up of all the boys together. Who do you think John Collins spoke to more at a social level, his manager RD or his old friend from Hibs, John Park?
I would be delighted to see Collins never work in football again, I'm sure he'll find his place in amongst the Andy Wakers, Suttons and the despicable S*n columnist John Hartson. Any ex-CFC player who writes in that rag should be sin die from official club events and just ignored by the fans.
They'll soon find out that soup doesn't keep warm very long.}

04 May 2016 12:10:59
Ed my old man heard somethng similar about Commons etc. saying that they tried to get in Kieran Tierney's ear to get him to turn on the gaffer and he quickly told them where to go. Give me 9 Kieran Tierneys. and Sviatchenko and Griffiths lol!

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{Ed007's Note - I've heard the same about KT to the extent him and his agent (might be his dad) held talks and threatened to bring in the PFA, so you can imagine how the atmosphere between KT and those players are. Are we willing to sit back and let these players basically bully the best young player we have brought through in years?
When Alex Ferguson first took over Man Utd he had to break the power of the drinking culture clique at the club, players like Paul McGrath and Norman Whiteside just had to go and the Club backed him, RD was never given the same backing because it wasn't up to him which players stayed, look at Tony Watt. RD told Watt and his agent that as far as he was concerned it was a clean slate and he was looking forward to helping Tony focussing on getting his career back on track, 2/3 days later Tony Watt didn't turn up at training and when RD asked where he was he was told he was being sold.}

04 May 2016 15:41:21
No worries mate thanks for the feedback and happy birthday to you mate have a great day.

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{Ed007's Note - Cheers Chris.}

04 May 2016 16:49:14
I definitely think Commons toxic attitude towards Deila has had an influence on a few of the first team, I'd say especially the Scottish contingent of players barring 1 or 2, But I guess with Kris Commons being one of those players in some fans eyes "who can change a game" and "create chances" and him and his wife being Mr and Mrs Celtic, he can basically undermine anyone he wishes (remember his comments about Ambrose after the Juve game) , how dare Ronny ask any of the names mentioned to live the life of an athlete 24/ 7, I mean that's just unacceptable to ask that of a PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER.

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04 May 2016 18:04:05
We need to get rid off the poison and rotten eggs at our club. It's been obvious for most of this season that something has been wrong behind the scenes. Whoever the new manager will be he needs to be a strong character who won't take any bullsh*t. Sadly Ronnie comes across and being too nice but I wish him good luck wherever he ends up.

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04 May 2016 17:11:03
I never knew that about Tony Watt Ed. It's never really sat well with me that we sold him tbh. He obviously had a bit of an attitude problem at times but I thought the natural talent and potential he had would have been worth persevering with. He's tall and strong but really quick as well and knew where the goal was.

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{Ed007's Note - After hearing RD speak when he came in I was looking forward to seeing Tony Watt knuckling down and became the top player he should be. I know it still isn't going well for him but let's look at the change in Leigh Griffiths, he's already talking about how close he was to the exit (which people denied or refused to believe) after receiving a final written warning, he was banned from Tynecastel and Ibrox and has to sit in the executive box at Easter Road by order of the clun and look where he is now, who's to say RD couldn't have worked with Watt and got the same result?
I am still not LG's biggest fan but I take my hat off to him and applaud him for the way he's worked and applied himself, he's even calmed down with the off-field nonsense. In years to come I have no doubt in my mind that LG will say RD played a major part in his career - let's just hope he keeps as focused and doesn't slip away now that RD is leaving

04 May 2016 17:35:27
Ed I also heard johannsen was affected by these trouble makers also heard everyone's other favourite brown was in on the act with stokes Mulgrew and Forrest have you heard the same names. As for commons never liked the man he's worse than playing with a man down and had many an argument with fellow fans over him and his comments after the juventus game about ambrose just made me hate him more.

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{Ed007's Note - What I heard was that when Johansen went in a bit robust with KT in training a few of the seniors players got rather upset with Johansen (who they were already upset with for not joining the clique) and they hoped the over-reaction would help make KT one of the 'Bhoys'. Scott Brown was upset as soon as John Collins was announced as assistant manager, so he's probably been involved to some extent but him and RD personally got on fine as far as I know.}

04 May 2016 19:35:02
Well Ed, That's interesting digesting that lot

For me he has to be a real safe pair of hands it cannot be another experiment or an unknown quantity

You were of a previous opinion that we would probably go down the route of someone "Celtic minded" to appease the fans well that would be PL's overview

I have a sneaky feeling if DD gets involved he might go back for MON mate MON was always content here although the book on him today going to Everton has shortened big time (y)

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04 May 2016 19:36:49
What a load of old tosh saying that about commons, the guy is Celtics best, most creative player when 100%. Where do u get your info from that him and his misses are toxic?? It's absolutely baffling. The guy was wrong to act the way he did to Ronny, but was very apologetic after. Also saying him and Charlie are in people's ear turning them against top figures. Where does this come from??

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04 May 2016 19:55:19
You all seem to be bagging Commons, let's remember that Commons went from scoring 32 goals to a bit part player/ scapegoat overnight under Deila, Deila continually played inferior players in front of him so understandably he was a bit miffed, every fan has their favourite player but Commons is probably our most naturally gifted player .

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{Ed007's Note - Remember his first season full season here where he fell out with Neil Lennon, downed tools, got himself sent off at Tynecastle and scored ONE goal in 33 appearances?
If things aren't going EXACTLY the way Kris Commons wants he causes problems, he's been the same his entire career so I don't understand why anyone is surprised, his reputation in England is that he is no more than a moody waster who's not worth the ego, trouble and baggage he brings.
If Commons is our most naturally gifted player we should chuck it right now, take a touch and shoot - that's it. He's lazy, has poor positional sense, has average control, he struggles to beat a man, he can't cross a ball either. I could go on but there's really no need.}

04 May 2016 20:00:35
Does anyone know if brown was part of the rotten apples I know he came out to support rd but was it sincere given his previous run ins with Collins etc
Hopefully that's Forrest out of the equation once and for all
Also think that Kc has became a better player in people's eyes since he's been out the side
On another note Martin oNeil as dof and Roy Keane as coach/ manager heard from a guy in the gym who works with agents providing scholarships in America.

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04 May 2016 21:29:51
Hi ed first off all happy birthday mate hope your day went well, 2nd the incident you mention with kt and sj in yraining is this the incident i asked you about privatley a wee while ago?

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{Ed007's Note - Thanks mate. Yes I'm sure it must be the same incident.}

04 May 2016 22:27:31
If Commons is such a trouble maker behind the scenes, then why was he not sent out on loan? .
This to me just shows how weak Ronny was, he should have insisted from day one who was the boss. Players soon pick up on how strong or weak a manager is, and they play on it, especially if that manager hasn't got a track record as a player.
I don't agree with players acting like that, but I think that when you have players who have won titles and cups, faced with a manager who hasn't won what they have won, and isn't allowed to make decisions, the result is almost inevitable.
A squad of players with big egos need a strong willed character who can deal with those egos in my view, you can have all the good ideas you like, but if the players don't respect you, you've got no chance.

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{Ed007's Note - The simple answer is, and you might not like this, Bolton couldn't afford Commons, nobody else was interested so where else was he meant to go? You can't get rid of players that nobody wants. FFS we had him and his wife along with their cronies running a political campaign with fans fans to get a new contract - what's he done since then?
Does his wife still go pulling pints, hanging about the Gallowgate and travelling on away supporters buses, well there's no pictures so that'll be a definite no. They make me want to puke for the way they have used both the Club and the support.
Commons is your future Andy Walker or John Hartson and people will look back and realise exactly what he always has been.}

04 May 2016 23:09:26
Just don't know where this MON with Keane as his assistant rumours are coming from! Theyr at the euros which runs from June to July! In which time we'll be in pre season and getting ready for CL qualifiers! There isn't a hope in hell of either walking away before the euros so I really can't take these rumours serious!

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05 May 2016 03:46:47
Just catching up with the site and a lot of really interesting reading in there. Some which I have been saying for a while but some fans will always be blind when it comes to commons

Also just seeing it was your birthday ed. Sorry it's late but happy birthday πŸŽ‚
Hope you had a good one and you made a wish for massive clear out at celtic this summer πŸ‘.

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{Ed007's Note - Tnankd buddy.}

05 May 2016 09:30:51
Fae what I heard brown and manager on quite good terms and that brown been the one trying to keep a lid on it all.
Have also heard that 9 or 10 of the 1st team squad not talking to John Collins at all.

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05 May 2016 10:07:03
All of the above regarding Commons etc, totally goes to show you how ineffective and ineffectual a manager, Ronnie was, is, I hope he learns from this experience that it is easy to look a good manager when you have a willing workforce, but you really get shown up when a few won't toe the line, and you stand there with your mouth open because you don't know how to handle it.

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05 May 2016 05:49:13
ED, the point I'm trying to make is that when you have a disruptive player in the squad, it takes a strong manager to deal with it.
I'm not disputing anything you say about Commons or his wife, but a situation like that should never have been allowed to fester. It obviously wasn't anything new, as he did the same thing under Lennon, another inexperienced manager.
Ronny and the board could have got shot of commons a year ago when his contract was running out, if they didn't have the bottle between them to do it, then it just confirms the shambles that the club have become these last few seasons.
I really hope that we don't go down the route of another rookie boss, we badly need someone who has the respect of all the players and won't take any nonsense.

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{Ed007's Note - So explain to me what RD could have done considering, it's nothing to do with him who gets a new contract and It's nothing to do with RD if no team except Bolton would touch him but couldn't afford him.. Do you think RD was responsible for Commons getting a new deal., you're blaminh him for something that happened that he had no input onnwhat so ever. Managers don't have anything to do with contract negotiations. Look at Craig Gordon, signed sealed and delivered before we knew who the manager is, assistants forced on him yet you believe it was RDs fault about Commons.
After him and his wives political campaign played the CFC for mugs and got his new deal Commons has been happy to sit onnthe bench as long as, the wages keep coming In and his wives is a chavvy media embarrassment it'all good with Brand Commons - where class and taste mean nothing - as long as the photo shoots, PR media work for his Mrs keeps rolling in.
Commons and his wife couldn't give a stuff about CFC and our fans, as long a the publicity for Brand Commons keeps the money rolling in,RD constantly spoke of trimming the squad size yet we kept bruning in more and more players that the manager clearly didn't need or ask for.
It is NOT in RD's remit to negotiate players exit -so why accuse him of failing to do it.?
When Lawwell and Park decided, and went against their own plan of offering over 30s a one year deal it was obvios who made the decisions, Ronny Deila played no part in contract negotiations - why would he, or any manager do that these days except for arsene Wengner.}

05 May 2016 08:07:29
Ed I heard yesterday that Brendan Rodgers will be our new manager got him at the bookies the other day at 5/ 1 now he's 2/ 1. I would rather we went for someone one proven in europe. Someone like marco Simone although he is way out of our league.

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05 May 2016 15:21:58
ED, I blame Ronny because he is happy to be part of the whole set up.
Lawwell and Park operate as they do and I think it badly needs changing, but Ronny took the job knowing the way that things are done, if he thought that was the right way to do things then he's just as responsible in my view.
I don't get how it's okay for Lawwell and Park to take all the blame, but Ronny seems to be immune from any responsibility. The fact that he was happy to take the job under the conditions that Lawwell and Park laid down makes him just as bad in my eyes.
If Ronny has so little influence on things then it just confirms my view that he is basically a lame duck.
This job wasn't forced on Ronny, he went into it with his eyes open, he must have been perfectly happy with the restrictions placed on him.
If he agreed with Lawwell and Park about how the club should be run, why should he not share the blame with Lawwell and Park when that way has shown to be wrong? .
All 3 of them are to blame in my opinion.

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{Ed007's Note - There' some amount of lame duck managers out there then because over 90% will work under the same condition as RD, why would he turn it down?
The days of stadiums being full of flat cap, tacketty boot wearing pipe spokers are long gone and anyone who believes modern managers have complete control really need to look up the set up of a modern football club. Contracts and wages have ZERO to do wit the manager or coach, from Man Utd and Chelsea to Real Madrid and Barca, they're systems are set up so that the coach is just that, he's there to coach/manage the team and has no place in the commercial or financial side of things. The coach is seen as a transient employee and clubs move through transition smoothly because the club keeps running along smoothly regardless of the manager or coach.
Far too many supporters are stuck in the 80s when we had managers like Jim McLean
This is NOT difficult to understand. Why shouldn't we use the modern approach. Do you think Guardiola is involved in transfer and contract talks with Bayern players or Pellegrini at City? Both these teams targets for next season are the exact same no matter who the manager is, is Guardiola a lame duck manager then, he never personally picked any signings at Barca, their President and members run campaigns with promises of the next superstar signing to get re-elected. There are a lot more powerful people at Chelsea than any manager no matter who he is, AVB was sacked because his training methods weren't seen as up to standard by Mr Abramovich, and Piet de Visser has mbromich's authority to sign any player in the world he wants, without even needing t contact anyone at the club.
Remember RD spoke out against loaning players in and having a squad of 22/23 with the rest made up of youth players - so you're saying he contradicted himself and not even 6 moths later he threw his famous meticulous planning and signed GMS and Armstrong, not even a year later a player from the lower leagues caught his eye as a player who could help us reach the CL, Scepovic and Ciftci anyone?
RD watched, scouted and was that impressed with Ciftci that he bought him for Β£1.5 million and put him out on load 6 months later - all of this, everything, goes totally against RD's philosophy since he started.
He walked in the door, had a CB pairing of Denayer and VvD with Guidetti up front - fast forward and we have Boyata and Leigh Griffiths, damn we lost Guidetti... Euroka! We'll get Carlton Cole in.
The first time RD spoke to Scott Allan in person was when he turned up to sign - he must have been REAL delighted to finally get his man eh?
RD is a coach, he had his faults but he's getting dragged into and blamed for things that were nothing to do with him like contract negotiations. He's getting the blame for Lawwell's and Park's failures but that seems to the plan hatched by Pedro and his little pet bloggers on CQN.
It's ridiculous the people who claim to know about football but still thinks we're stuck in the 80s. Man Utd will NEVER have another manager with the power AF did and the only manager left in the game with it is Wenger. Modern football clubs are big business and most are set up to make a smooth transition when coaches/managers change. It's up to the club to develop that and we are miles behind other clubs - clubs our fans expect to compete with. How many managers have Chelsea went through and until now had their fair share of triumphs, that's down to the set up behind the scenes, a new coach comes in and THE best of everything is there, he doesn't need to fight with players over diet and fitness.
This goes back a lot longer than RD, as The Great Man himself wrote:

"My first game [for Celtic] was Clyde, away, in the third round of the Scottish Cup. We were beaten 2-1. It was a nightmare. I wasn't happy with my own game. I did OK, but OK wasn't good enough. After the game – the disappointment. As I was taking my jersey off, I noticed the Nike tag was still on it. When I got on the bus John Hartson, a really good guy, was already sitting there and he was eating a packet of crisps – with a fizzy drink. I said to myself: β€˜Welcome to Hell."

05 May 2016 18:10:11
ED whatever way a club runs it's affairs, the coach still has to be able to command respect from the players.
This system that we operate was in place before Ronny came in, he didn't introduce it.
Whatever way Celtic operate, the manager still has to have respect from the players. If he isn't able to command that respect then he is weak in my view.
I'm not saying that it's right, but at clubs like ours there is generally quite a lot of players with big egos, a manager or coach has to be strong enough to deal with those egos, you only have to look at a lot of the performances this season to see the players are not playing for him, it doesn't matter who bought them.
It doesn't matter to me whether it's 1980 or 2016, whatever way you want to run a club, the managers job is to get the best out of the players, that's what Guardiola does, that's what Mourinho does, I've no doubt that they have had to deal with difficult players but they are able to deal with them. Ronny on the other hand doesn't seem to be able to handle them at all.
Do you honestly believe that no other manager working under our present set up could not get more out of this group of players than Ronny can? .
I think there are.
If as you say we are miles behind other clubs who operate in this way, then I can't for the life of me see how appointing a rookie boss who nobody had heard of is going to help us close the gap.
Me and you agree about Lawwell and Park, I think that they are failing our club, where I disagree with you is that I think they got the last couple of managerial appointments wrong as well as buying the wrong players.
I don't believe that after getting so many things wrong regarding signings, Lawwell and Park somehow got Ronny's appointment so right, from what I've seen it was just another bad decision by them.

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05 May 2016 20:29:07
Top post there Edo. I nearly quoted that "welcome to hell" bit RK's 'Second Half' last week when I was up a height about something.

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{Ed007's Note - Can you believe there's people who don't want Keane as manager in case he upsets people?}

05 May 2016 21:33:02
Upset who? A bad apple or somebody he feels is making a sh*te decision that might hamper his work? The guy doesn't muck about. Having read what you've said about KC over the past couple of days I'd love to be a fly on the wall if RK was on the wrong end of that. He wouldn't find himself on the wrong end actually. He's firm, but I think he's fair. He seems to get a lot worse rep than he deserves imo. He must please a few purely on the basis he's celtic minded, na, he's got much more sense than that.

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{Ed007's Note - Not jut the bad apples at the Club, JT, imagine the horror and outrage if he said sometething to upset the the press and they wrote bad things about him, the Club and the fans.}

06 May 2016 07:21:41
He'd call the press out for the BS they write and drag out the closet. That alone ticks a box for me.

What have you got on his proposed appointment the last time Ed? I can only read into his comments that:

A) He wasn't too happy about RD being made his assistant.

B) He wasn't getting paid enough or didn't appreciate the gesture of a rolling contract.

C) He wasn't happy with things like budget, strategy, infastructure etc.

These aren't necessarily mutually exclusive either.

My heart tells me with the "right club. Wrong time" bit that he possibly also wants to see major changes? Do you think he wants to be a manager?

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{Ed007's Note - My heart is getting pulled apart here, JT. I would love to see Keane as manager because of who he is and the way I feel about him but I'm not convinced he's what we need right now.}

06 May 2016 13:14:45
So you agree with him then in a way: right fit, wrong time. Interesting. My head says it's a wee bit early for him, but it also says he could help give the stagnancy a stir, which could be a hell of a lot more beneficial than qualifying for the CL or winning a double. He wasn't top of my list, but I don't know who is, and I'd take Keane over the kind of thing I'm half expecting.

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{Ed007's Note - It's no secret how I feel about Keane and the league next season will be a dawdle next season so i's back to Europe. If we fail to qualify for the CL there will be fans calling for his head, no grinding out results will be allowed, a 1-0 late winner against Partick was a disaster under RD but was seen as the team fighting to the end and showing great character under Strachan and Neil Lennon.
Not many managers fancy a job where winning the league isn't good enough for the toxic element of the supposedly 'Best Fans in the World.}

06 May 2016 14:40:53
I get you now. I'm not head over heels for him the way I've picked up that you are. But he's one of the biggest men and most endearing characters in the game, for me. I feel exactly the same way about the expectancy and even treatment from some of the support right now. You're saying you wouldn't wish that upon him?

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