Celtic Rumours Archive September 03 2012

03 Sep 2012 21:01:03
ed,,was the miereles move to fenerbache agreed before our deadline ? and if not would it be possible for us to lose players now? to somwhere like turkey,,,deep river bhoy {Ed007's Note - I posted a list of the different deadline days over the weekend mate. I am sure the Turkish window is still open and I know the Russian one is, Zenit are working on a deal for Nani and have signed Hulk from Porto tonight.}

I must have missed it , nice quick reply as always , ta,,,,deep river bhoy {Ed007's Note - No probs DRB.}

Zenit signed Witsel from Benfica today also for £31.7m.Glad we didn't get them in Champ Lge and also Benfica are missing another player now.

Jungle Bhoy.

03 Sep 2012 16:21:37
Ed have u heard how much we would have to pay to keep Miku if he turns out to be a success? Been told today that the total deal would 7m euros and thats including the loan fee that we have payed. Not sure that's right after hearing some of the figure that have been mentioned before.

Daz the Hoopy {eEd007's Note - If the fee next summer is £7 million that is getting nearer Getafe's valuation Daz.}

In a years time Miku may only have a year or 2 left to run on his contract at Getafe. I think the future fee will have been set at around £3million. It seems as if they have let him leave on loan because he is desperate to play in the champions league. The financial situation is spain will only get worse as well so I don't think Getafe will be able to demand a fee any where near £7million {Ed007's Note - Wouldn't they just have accepted the 5 million Euros bid last month if they are so desperate for the money?}

The thing that interest me is why would Celtic take him on loan and agree a future fee if they couldn't afford it. I think if push came to shove Celtic could go to £4m max.

Daz the Hoopy {Ed007's Note - I will be surprised if the loan leads to a permanent move Daz, that's just my opinion.}

They dint accept the bid ed cos Miku didn't want to goto swansea or anywhere except to a big club that's his own words.

Hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed007's Note - There was the Trabzonspor bid as well. The point is Marco, would a club reject two bids then agree to one of lesser value for a year later? It was the club that rejected the deals, not the player. He never held any official talks with anyone else. As I said last night I seriously doubt that Miku was anywhere on any list of targets NL had, if he did why did it take so long to tie up a deal, it was because the club were trying to sell him and nobody would agree to the asking price. A loanee and a player available for free do not take months of negotiating to conclude deals. Anyone who thinks that Miku or Nouioui were genuine targets of NL's before last week are kidding themselves on. NL would have expected the board to at least back him with some money. Miku at 27 and Nouioui at 26 hardly fit the description of young, hungry players that we have brought in recently.}

Ed I think that miku is hungry to play and going by what he has said sounds like he has a good idea of the club and what it means, he seems down to earth and ready to go and take the pressure. But that being said it could also just be the regular transfer talk of a new team, but he has convinced me so far and can't wait to see what they bring.
With the new strikers Ed do you think we will play with 2 up front when we go against benfica and Moscow for an aggressive attack? I do but against barca think we will defend and use a counter attack, we might leave hooper out and the sub him in (always looks good coming off the bench, but would like in the team)and go with height to use in set pieces and long ball. {Ed007's note - I think we will only play with one striker in the CL games and that it will probably be Hooper, the formation seems to work for us, especially if Samaras (O is on his game.
Hooper at least deserves the chance to lead the line, dropping him could really knock his confidence and personally I think that he is a confidence player, if he is playing well and scoring he seems happy but if he is struggling his head can go down sometimes.
Miku can also play just sitting off of the main striker and out on the right so i would start him on the bench and see how Forrest or Samaras are doing then look at bringing him on. I would use Lassad as an impact sub and would like to think that Watt will get some CL game-time, it won't do his development any harm getting a run out and the experience will serve him well.}

Well with the money we will make this year I think the board will be willing to spend next year as it will be harder to get into Europe. We will make 20mill at least with cl and ki as well we prop will be selling someone else(wanyama, hooper unfortunately) so I see this as a try out to see if Miku can be our next main striker, since he has played in the best league so paying 5mill or so may be good buisness. What do you think Ed, think they will spend more to rebuild next year? {Ed007's Note - I don't think there will be any significant investment in the team next summer, there is nothing that would point to it.}

Maybe the loan might be similar to Forster's.Loan for a year,like what we see then loan for another year before we buy for around £2 or 3 million.

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - His contract will have expired in two years time JB.}

I didn't know that,cheers ed.I'm actually looking forward to seeing him,i hope he's not a let down.

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - I'm hoping he can run amok in the SPL and Europe JB but the whole deal just looks a bit questionable to me. I just hope the fans are getting something back after the fantastic way they have backed the club in recent years. Loaning players that leads nowhere for the club has been going on for a while now. For every Fraser Forster there is a Diomansy Kamara (£2.5 million fee agreed and now top goal scorer for Eskisehispor in Turkey). I prefer to see money spent on transfer fees rather than loan fees, it is not investing in the squad IMO.}

I think your kind of jumping the gun a bit here ED. Doesn't it all depend on how good of a footballer he is. If he brings us success, we have made a good choice in taking the fella on, If hes a flop then we haven't spent a load of cash on some ejit. With the current direction the squad and the club are going, on the up. I believe that if this guy is good enough, we'll fork out the cash for him, were not taking backwards steps anymore.

-Quack {Ed007's Note - He he could come over here, score a barrowload of goals then move on, remember it is only the clubs that have agreed a price, the player hasn't agreed to anything except being here for a year. Or he could come over here, be a massive flop and we will be right back here next year and over a million pounds + wages out of pocket. Would you have thought it was a good deal if we had loaned Wanyama to an EPL team for a year? CFC are far too big a club to be taking players on loan, I said it about Keane, Bellamy,Forster et al and I will continue to say it for every loan signing we make.
I think that going from bidding £3 million for Rudnevs in May to taking a player on loan is a definite backwards step and as for Lassad, NL has said he was already signed before he had even spoke to the player for the first time. So we have signed a 26yr old free transfer from the Spanish Second Division (and even then is was a bit of a farce) and you think these signings aren't a backward step?
The timing of the signings speaks volumes about the direction the board made NL take on transfers this summer. Deadline day deals (and beyond) for loans and free transfers smacks of desperation, especially as there was over 3 months to get in players.}

3.5m euro is the fee I heard about after paying 1.5m euro fee for the seasons loan.

I understand exactly what you're saying about loaning a player in but when you put it against the backdrop of loaning out Murphy and Bangura. It makes alot of sense to pay his wages to contribute to the team than pay the other 2's wages who contribute nothing to the team.
Also if we loaned Wanyama to an EPL team and his value rose to £15-20million would that be good business? {Ed007's Note - Wanyama would not be sent out on loan though, that is my point. Players who go out on loan are fringe players or youngsters needing game-time. Keane was surplus to requirements (nobody would buy him) at Spurs as, Bellamy was on his way out of Newcastle (labelled a troublemaker), Kamara was on his way out at Fulham (Roy Hodgson had been trying to sell him), and Forster had not played a single match for Newcastle. How many loan signings actually become permanent deals? Hooiveld to Southampton is the only one I can think of involving CFC that had any significance apart from Forster, and even then there was a problem with that because of his agent's fees.}

You don't seem to take into consideration that we had just qualified for the Champions League 2 days before the deadline closes, a lot of business goes on during those two days. And Celtic are too big a club to take a player on loan, that is hilarious mate, by that logic Man UTD, AC Milan, Tottenham, Liverpool are too big to take players on loan, but they still continue too. The bottom line for me, considering Miku, he came to us to win trophies and not be apart of another mid table team, therefore if he is good as i think hes going to be he will want to continue winning trophies and call me naive but I think he will want to do it with us.

As far as Lassad who I didn't mention before, you put him down by saying hes only a Spanish Second Div player, but Levante are continuing to fight a a lost cause for this lad, and Levante came 6th in La Liga last season, there must be something about the lad, don't go knocking these guys yet, we haven't even seen them play.

-Quack {Ed007's Note - If we had to rely on CL money to sign a free transfer and a loan signing then we might as well chuck it just now. The Transfer window opened in May and we had to wait to the last two days and a day after it closed to get signings in.
As for other teams taking players on loan, look at the calibre of players Man Utd or that take on loan, and their loans are players who's season are closed. There is a difference between taking players on loan through choice or through necessity. CFC should not be loaning in other teams Daryl Duffys.
If NL had wanted either of Miku or Lassad they were readily available throughout the entire window. Lassad didn't have a contract for two whole months before we signed him the day AFTER the window closed, his team had won promotion to La Liga and they let him go. We had ST money, the money from outgoing transfers, and are saving £92k a week in wages but we have to wait for guaranteed CL money to sign a loan player and a free agent, and you think that is fine?
I stick by what I said, the board has let NL down big time this summer and he has been left to bring players he had no interest in, Lassad was signed before NL had even met him. NL has said himself they bid £3 million for a player in May (Rudnevs) and he spoke about looking at Henriksen. He wouldn't have said these things if he wasn't expecting money to spend, which I think him and all his back-room staff deserved, there should have been no reason to sign players at the last minute (and beyond) who's agents were hawking them around Europe all summer. I can't imagine their signings were dependant on CL qualification, they weren't exactly in a strong position to make demands of any club.}

We aren't sitting pretty as a club just yet, we have to depend on the lure of the Champions League football, 'not the money', to get players interested in playing for our club, especially without Rangers in the league. We aren't at the level yet where we can bring in a player in July, without knowing our European fate first, we don't have that luxury that other clubs have.

Did these two strikers not also play pretty much every league game last season for their respective club, they are hardly rejects.

One point I can agree with you on is Henriksen, I wish we had have pushed more to get him in, but I can't agree with the rest. And I think that only time will prove me right or wrong, and I believe that with Miku I will be right, he will be a great signing for the club and not a last resort deadline day loan flop. Il even go as far as saying he'll be top goalscorer this season, yeah that's right.

-Quack {Ed007's Note - How can you say we need to see our European fate to 'lure' a loan signing and a free transfer? That is ludicrous Quack, come on.
Miku might not have been a reject but he was available all summer. Then there is the 'Getafe needed Miku off the wage bill' story, they spent a total of 5.4 million Euros this summer, if they can spend that when they need to cut costs what does that say about us?
Lassad was top scorer for Deportiva in the second division, they won promotion to La Liga, knowing his contract was expiring. They didn't make him an offer, preferring to loan in eight players and let their top scorer leave for nothing. If Deportiva had offered him a deal he would have happily signed it. That is a reject to me, it is like Dundee letting a player go.
How any CFC fan can truthfully say they are happy about this transfer window is beyond me, the board have let NL and the fans down. Approx £10 million was brought in with transfer fees (Hooiveld, Juarez and Ki making the bulk of it) and £92k a week saved in wages. With those figures the level of investment in the squad is shockingly low.}

The guy Miku said he wanted to come here to win trophies and play in the Champions League, straight from the horses mouth, so its not ridiculous at all. For me its more about he calibre of player, than the money spent.

-Quack {Ed007's Note - And did Miku say this before or after we signed him? Don't tell me, we are the only club he ever wanted to play for, he had seen our games on TV when he was a kid and knows how passionate the fans are and what a great stadium we have blah blah blah........ I wonder if the translator is paid per player or it's a standard speech they give to every new signing.
Has NL say he had spent all summer trying to get Miku and Lassad signed up? As I've said, he hadn't even met Lassad until after he had signed.
And you are happy with the calibre of the signings are you Quack? Did you watch many Spanish Second division games?}

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about this Lassad guy. Although I barely mention him at all and we havent even seen him play yet, remember Gary Hooper came from the lower divisions of the English League. To be perfectly honest I think this guy Miku is the only continental signing who we have made under Lenny that I actually knew before we signed him. And I think its shrewd business.

-Quack {Ed007's Note - I don't have a chip on my shoulder over anything, why should I? I am looking at the facts, just because I am not wetting my pants over a diabolical transfer window doesn't mean I have a chip on my shoulder. Look at the quality (and ages) of our recent signings and compare them to this window, it stinks of an agent's desperation trying to get his players a deal anywhere he could.
As I keep saying apart from Ambrose (a third choice keeper isn't really a significant signing) I would bet my last pound that none of the other transfers were an option to NL at any time over the summer, in fact I would be surprised if either the players were watched in the flesh by anyone at the club. Who mentioned anything about Gary Hooper? But as you brought him up, what age was he, along with Kayal, Wanyama, Matthews etc.
All young hungry players that will have a good sell on value, wasn't that the new direction the club was going? That idea seems to have been derailed by the board not matching the manager's ambition. Out of curiosity, with everybody fit, what would be your starting line up for a CL game?}

Were not gonna agree on much here, so here's my team. Obviously things will be different when playing Barca, and this is only a basic 4-4-2.
Forster

Matthews Ambrose Mulgrew Izzy

Forrest Wanyama Ledley Samaras

Miku Hooper

{Ed007's Note - I think it will be one up front and five in the midfield with Wanyama sitting in and protecting the defence. If Brown is fit he is a certainty to start IMO, you don't drop your captain if he is fit and Commons has came back like a different player after last year, he has looked especially good in Europe. Miku can play just off the main striker or on the right, that is the only place I can see him starting any CL matches. We need to keep it tight and organised so I don't think he will be given a free role behind Hooper. My starting XI would be this (A/R/W is Amborse, Rogne or Wilson. I am not sure who will start and Commons/Samaras is dependant on form).:

.........................Forster.............
Matthews......A/R/W.......Mulgrew.....Izaguirre....
........................Wanyama...........
..................Brown............Ledley........
Forrest......................................Commons/Samaras...
..........................Hooper..............

It's good to get back talking about footba, thanks!!!!}

03 Sep 2012 15:40:54
ed do you have any idea the fee which we payed to get miku on loan. he looks quite good the few times i have saw him and think he should fit right in with our set up.

also ambrose seems a good addition to the team. lenny has been chasing him a long time so lets see what hes like

i dont get why people are criticising the board for not spending a load of money. why should we? im happy with the young bhoys playing in spl and letting them grow into first teamers

Kieran67 {Ed007's Note - I don't know anything for definite on the Miku loan fee Kieran. It depends on what his wages are, what percentage of them CFC will be paying, and the fee agreed with Getafe. At a guess I would say it would be no more than £2 million, but that is just a guess.}

I thought we paid £1m and a further £2.5 m if we keep him. {Ed007's Note - Getafe rejected bids of 4 and 5 million Euros last month, they value him at 8-10 million Euros so I doubt they would be willing to let him go for that price. They could have sold him for more last month and either scenario means they don't have the use of the player for this season.}

03 Sep 2012 01:12:53
Levante. Plan to sue Celtic
It's in the online newspaper.

Hail hail

Marco1888

Why would they sue Celtic who have done everything by the book? I understand they have an issue with an agent. Nothing to do with us.

Lavente cant sue celtic it would have to be the player and if they didnt use correct agent and player himself didnt sign they have no case

Skinnybhoy

Its nothing to do with Celtic it's whoever said was representing the player and wasnt

They cant sue Celtic, only the player himself. For entering into 2 contracts at the same time in theyre eyes. Its to do with another agent who says he represents him and arranged the transfer to levante. I imagine it will be settled before it gets out of hand.

The usual Tabloid p!$H trotted out,i think they have a pre-written formula to fit situations like this,sensationalism to sell their otherwise boring rags.

Green Judge

Maybe they can sue the dodgy agent but Celtic would not have signed him if there was any wrong doing.

Its just bluff!