Celtic Rumours Archive June 30 2012

30 Jun 2012 23:18:30
Thanks for hosting my blog and I would be happy to answer questions from anybody from any team. Thanks.

@ShaunGibson1888 {Ed007's Note - Not a problem Shaun, welcome to the site mate.}

Read your blog today on twitter mate @edwardpaton, good stuff, you should do more.

sparky88

Shaun, I am not on twitter or facebook, if myself or others ask you a question via Celtic site will you be able to answer us.?
Timalloy {Ed007's Note - If you have questions for Shaun I will let him know Tim and he will answer no problem.}

Thanks ED007 if you are happy to post replies on here I will go first...
Shaun, why are Ticketus being so quiet? You would think that a company that had lost £24m would be making a lot of noise but zilch, are they still involved behind the scenes?
Also all this guff about Sky pulling out.
Correct me if I am wrong, but does the contract not last for 1 more year, so Sky are contractually obliged to show SPL games.
And as an extra to that I heard that Sky have about 350,000 customers in Scotland paying an average of £40 per MONTH so Scotland viewrs have a pretty strong hand if we threaten to withdraw our subscriptions. Timalloy

30 Jun 2012 22:02:19
Ki will be leaving celtic for the tidy amount of £8million

Will be confirmed very soon

Skinnybhoy

Would be a great piece of business as although he's undoubtedly talented I don't think the Scottish game suits his style also he'll need to do his national service soon

Totally agree its good money but with ki only being 23 his best is yet to come, alot of folk seem to forget he was probably our best player before xmas last season. Would take big money to replace.

I'd be happy with even half of that...he's gash!!!

Iain

Lets face it we are innundated with midfielders and do not need to replace ki ! Get the cash spent on rhodes and a decent centre half and i will be happy

Skinnybhoy

He's certainly not gash, but if it's true a good bit of business, and lets get a good CB and a target man.

A very sad loss. By far the best midfield player Celtic have got. Everyone waxes lyrical about the spanish players ability to keep the ball and pass, we have aplayer who can do this and he would be a wonderful asset to have in Europe next season. I know 8 million is a lot of money but we are always moaning that we dont buy big plsyers, Ki is a big player and will only get better and better. This is the only good thing to come out of the Mowbray era and now thta they have gone we will win the league for the forseeable future, it is Europe where the challenges come. Over the lats few years in Europe we have given the ball away far too easily and that has meant we are under pressure all the time, Ki is the one player who can put a foot on the ball, pick a pass and play with composure. Still I suppose we will get the usual stuff about he doesnt get stuck in, he doesnt put it about, well we have players who can do that, he is the one player who can unlock teams. A sad loss if he does go.

8 million he has to go, for all his wonderful talent. I don't think he's as good as Ledley/Kayal or Wanyama. Broony is always gonna be in the team as well so effectively we could get 6 - 8 million for a bit part player. Great piece of business.

Jamesy Bhoy

Skinnybhoy you've called a previous matter correctly so I would like to think you're correct again! It's a cert he's going yes! But that quickly? Can see it actually happening as surely Lenny would get some of the cash to strengthen the squad! I hope so anyways
Cb

Cb this is gong to happen asap mate mate was said " £5.5m for whole of rangers and we are going to recieve £8m fir ki " also that hoops were wanting rangers in sfl1 with a points deduction in place if promoted next year were happy not to show there hand as hearts dundee utd etc had already "burried them"

Skinnybhoy

30 Jun 2012 19:28:21
I have no objections, in theory, to the reconstruction of the Scottish game or the merging the SPL & SFL. The way it is at the moment, there is no promotion into the 3rd division and very liite chance of gaining entry into the senior game in Scotland. I would also welcome the play-offs between the top 2 divisions being introduced.

However, what I do object to is the wording of David Longmuir's (SFL Chief executive) statement 'The SFL is trying to address the question of whether we are in a position to 'accommodate' a solution to the Rangers FC scenario'

What does he mean by 'accommodate a solution', what is the Rangers FC senario and why is it different to say Airdrie in 2002 ?


There was no questions of accommodating raised then.. Airdrie had finished as runners-up in the 1st division, went out of business, a vacancy was created in the 3rd division & their application was rejected in favour of Gretna. Lets hope Jim Ballantyne of all people remembers this and his views would be interesting indeed...(Although some might say he is a Rangers fan)


The set of papers sent to SFL clubs is bullying of almost naziesque proportions and shows the powers that be at Hampden as blackmailers, useless and grossly incompetent.

I was reading a blog today that raised a right good few excellent points and found it very interesting. Ed007 what do you think ??

shaunyfbblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-last-throes-of-battle-2-2/

Mrs E {Ed007's Note - I know Shaun and have read his blogs as anyone who follows me on Twatter will know. He is one of the few bloggers I would actually recommend that CFC fans should read compared to some of them out there who are only in it for their own gains.}

Good God almighty!
Are we seriously comparing TRFC IA to Airdrie?
Fan Base...Sponsorship...TV rights.
That is why it is different.
Is there really that much solace to be sought from delusion?
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - Ok then, how about comparing them to Woolworths? Customer base....no of employees...worldwide recognisable brand... GONE!}

Yes...I am seriously comparing them to another Scottish club that went into liquidation. Are you on here seriously suggesting that Rangers and Celtic should be able to operate as they wish go into liquidation and receive preferential treatment ?

It is exactly this attitude that has resulted in the backlash you are now experiencing and your reply is beyond ignorant.. There has been no apology or humilty shown from the club previously known as Rangers and they have arrogantly assumed they should not have to go through the process other senior Scottish clubs have. How very dare you reply like this. A very annoyed Mrs E

Im a rangers fan and i think comparing rangers to airdrie is very acceptable to say they should be right back in because of fan base etc is ludacris there entry should be the same as everyone else...... maybe we should get approval from the sfa like airdrie united and buy a smaller team rename and move to ibrox

Not arguing with the concept Ed.
The guy did ask the question.."What is the RFC scenario,and why is it different to say Airdrie in 2002"?
My reply was stating the bloody obvious,so what is it he doesn't get?
Are you seriously suggesting that any of this has an allegiance to all things RFC? Absolute BS.
It's all about money nothing else.
Okay, so the ideal scenario unfolds,TRFC IA are kicked out of Scottish football forever,where do we go from there?
Who is going to fill that void?
And Ed,with all due respect,comparing Woolworths to Airdrie is an even worse analogy than the previous one.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - I was comparing Rangers to Woolworths. Why does the void need filled? Rangers problems are their own making, nobody else's. POB mate, you really need to realise that the Rangers you have grown up supporting is gone, like Woolworths, MFI, Third Lanark and Airdrie. You can dress it up all you want but that is a fact. When liquidation happens they will be nothing but a memory. This bastardised version of Rangers means absolutely nothing in terms of football, they have no power, no history, no accounts, a threadbare squad and most important they have no guidance. The carcass is just sitting there rotten and no matter how much John Brown wants to poke it with an empty wine bottle it will still not be the same team or club. This talk about relegation is complete gibberish, as there is no membership of any FA or league then it can't be relegated. If the rules of the game are broken to accommodate a brand new team into anything other than SFL3 then the game in Scotland is dead, Rangers can't be kicked out of Scottish football, there is no Rangers in Scottish football any longer, and the only people that can be blamed for that is Rangers, no matter what the latest drum beater getting wheeled out the pub has to say. 'There'll always be a Rangers'..... not according to HMRC and once BDO do their job that will be proven.}

ED and Mrs E: I have been following Shaun for a while now and find his blogs to be very interesting.I agree with Mrs E,the wording and content of the notifications to the clubs is astounding.This is a new club,nobody seems able to even say this to sevco fans.It feels like there is a concentrated effort to make every one think nothings changed.The phrase "accommodate a solution" sounds like a Mafia godfather explaining how protection works..........green jhedi

I'm not sure if POB is talking about the blog, but he's used a quote I said and called me a 'HE' !! Obviously never read any of the post properly and I am now annoyed and offended. Mrs E

POB you have no team, no league and no shame, even your toys will need to be renamed from teddy bears to sevco soft toys. Timalloy
PS when are fans like you going to apologise.....?

It never fails to amaze me how worked up some people get on here.
I replied to one point in Mrs E's post.
The comparison between TRFC IA and Airdrie.
There is no suggestion whatsoever from that post that i'm... "seriously suggesting"
anything. I made no reccomendation whatsoever.
Therw was no need for your rant either Ed,as again i made no refeence to anything that you posted.
I do not think Rangers or Celtic have a divine right to anythng,but let's be honest Mrs E, the two of them have done pretty much what they wanted for decades,and were allowed to do so.
Why do think this was possible?
The football authorities have deemed it necessary to look at league reconstruction,not me. So they obviously think it's important for the future of our game. No offence to anyone on here but i'd rather take their opinion against any football fan,who will play down any level of importance or significance attached to another club other than their own.
If the various league executives and SFA bosses deem it appropriate then there must be valid reasons for that.
The club could not be demoted or relegated from the SPL. Because there is no SPL2 to go to.The SFL is a different organisation with different articles of association.The only option left was expulsion from the SPL.
However the committee deemed this too harsh a punishment.
I'm not and have never intimated that this is the proper thing to do,but the people at the top of our game think it neccesary.
Despite all the jumping up and down from SPL club chairmen about sporting integrity,fan appeasement and consultation,Rod Petrie of Hibs drafted the majority of this document. Stewart Gilmour of St Mirren addressed it also,and admitted if he were to stand up for SI then his club may have to lay off staff,and would not be signing new players. That Ed is the void that will be left,if Sponsorship and other commercial partners desert them. This is what this is all about,nothing more nothing less.
Okay so a subtle cosmetic argument could be made for sponsorship deserting in the event of SI being sacrificed,but i doubt it. It's simply down to finance and Rangers and Celtic have always been the "Cash cow" as far as that's concerned.
No denial,No delusion,and no precedent for this within the SPL.
Apologes Mrs E for the reference in my previous post.(The Guy,lol)
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - There was a need for my rant POB. You have came across as having more faces than McCoist. Your nonsense about Findlay and his karaoke showed you up for what is simmering underneath the surface with you. Even in this post you are making out like it is some sort of apocalypse that Rangers will be liquidated and Scottish football will die without 'The Rangers'. I am not getting into an argument with you over this but you should at least stick to your guns, you haven't even answered Tim or GJ without resorting to child-like insults, for someone who likes to portray themselves as a pseudo-intellectual I am afraid that Odious Creep leaves you in his shadow. Answer people's questions to you in a debatable manner is all I'm asking. Start with this one, will Rangers, the club you have supported exist after liquidation, a straight yes or no would be a nice change. If you have any questions for Shaun I am sure he will be happy to come on and debate with you, or we could all do it on Twatter?????}

I have apologised in that regard Mrs E.
Your assumption is correct. I saw the link to the blog under the statement and associated that as Shaun's.
P.O.B.

Out of interest Mrs E you seem to be quite vocal against the newco, did you happen to be at the no to the newco protest at hampden today?

BNB {Ed007's Note - Strange that you have appeared after POB gets a bit of pressure......... Were you at John Brown's laugh in the other night? My God him and Andy Goram asked for £500 appearance money to talk at a fund raiser and now they are the slurred voice of 'ra peepil'. Give your head a shake mate.}

Ed... I've only read Mrs E's first comment since I'm on my phone it's a bit of a pain the arse trying to reread every comment.

As far as john browns embarrassing event no I wasn't since I'm in Spain but by all accounts it was s**te and a joke. I don't mind admitting that. I don't want brown near my club. But at least people turned upto that. {Ed007's Note - Well if you can't turn up to a club saving bevvy session why should you question where Mrs E, or anyone, was today? Have you enlisted for a ST yet?}

POB, BNB, NYTABOW which letters of the alphabet will you use next?
I have a question for you also, what do you make of the season ticket fiasco and no direct debit facilities for ex club rangers, but your new bank Metro has branches in London only, very convenient for all your Glasgow fans, never mind did you see what their promotion gimmic is to get more customers yes they give out FREE DOG BISCUITS! One other question, do bears/ostriches like dog biscuits? Timalloy

Out of interest...why do you want to know ?

I spent most of today trying to get someone at Rangers to explain why money was taken from our bank account for my hubby's season ticket.

What is your interpretation from my post about being 'against the newco' ?

They don't have the manners to say 'please' and that annoys me, it has been all threats and arrogance (or stupidity whatever way you look at it) Mrs E

Ed. As far as GJ is concerned you are seriously misguided or have been misinformed.
GJ and his wee pal Timalloy have being giving it large on the Rangers site as well as on here. If you have not done so, and since you raised the subject,i suggest you check it out in the interest of fairness to your allegations.They have been less than adult in their behaviour.
Accusations regarding posts,and psuedonyms,Timalloy is a complete twonk,i stand by that statement.
As for the DF post that was done in a light hearted manner.There is nothng simmering underneath,and i resent your ambigous statement regarding this.
You appear to be smearing me with a tag that has no foundation. Although it's origins are well documented in GJ's and Tim's posts.
However i am a big boy and will get over it.
Ambiguity appears to be the order of the day Ed. More faces than McCoist?...Stick to your guns?...Answer people's questions in a debateable manner?

So you think there will be no financial implications associated with RFC's demise?...Really?
I don't want to get into an argument either Ed but since we appear to be playing hardball.
Why don't you contact SFA/SPL/SFL via t**tter or otherwise and ask them why they are bothering their backside with any of this? Then you could maybe contact Sky and ask what their plans are beyond August 2012/2013.
All of the above perfectly viable and debateable points.
P.O.B.
In answer to your question..
Yes. If you don't understand that fine.
It'll take more than a new owner or change of company name to eradicate the memories,the depth of feeling and spirit. IF we're still at Ibrox,still running out any shade of blue strip,with the same fans supporting them. Like they say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck,then it's an f/n/ duck.
There appears to be more obsession with CFC fans about the possible termination of RFC's history than anything else.
As far as that goes Ed, no one knows what will happen,remember Fiorentina?
As i understand it,it could possibly be purchased in the future.Why? Because the SPL have no articles of association pertaining otherwise.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - I have no interest or control over the Rangers site, I read what you posted and it shows what you think of sectarianism, 'unfortunate'??????

'As for the DF post that was done in a light hearted manner.'

Is that your post that was light-hearted or the incident? I can't see anything light-hearted about either. So are you saying that CFC fans singing pro IRA songs is light-hearted.......

I don't need to contact anyone over Twatter, I can lift a phone and get any questions answered.


As for Fiorentina, are you sitting with a multi-pack of straws? Keep clutching, your club is dead, that is the reality you need to face, and no drunken shambles of a man or crowd can do anything. Remember Third Lanark, Airdrie, Gretna....Wimbledon....Rangers.....

ED007: with regards to POB claiming i have been "less than adult in my behaviour" once again total nonsense.I simply pointed out what he had said.Only a fool would try and wriggle out of being caught in such a fashion.He speaks of "the possible termination" of RFC's history,thus proving he is indeed a fool.In a matter of weeks that club will be extinct,the history will,of course,always be there,but nothing will be added to it.Ever............green jhedi {Ed007's Note - You guys can banter and argue all day on here, but if someone asks you a direct question you should answer it, it is common courtesy without resorting to childish jibes and name calling.....POB seems unable to do that... so far.}

It doesn't matter how you feel or if you like ducks.

This is a NewCo looking for direct enty into the top tier of Scottish football ! If its not a NewCo then why are we having this discussion ?

For you info, a very good friend of mine is an Airdrie die-hard. Rarely misses a game, home or away...that is one of the reason I feel so strongly that the route available to ALL NewCo's should be the same. Mrs E

To pob your duck is plucked.

30 Jun 2012 17:17:13
Had it confirmed that Forster has signed. Got told today when on a tour of Celtic park

30 Jun 2012 11:22:49
ed just seen that ki has been picked for olympics but just thinkingf because he is 24 can celtic refuse to let him go {Ed007's Note - Ki is only 23.}

30 Jun 2012 14:01:03
Hi Ed, first time poster.

Just a thought, if all the other SPL Clubs are going to try to use the current situation to gain leverage over ourselves with regards to the voting rights, bigger share of TV, gate receipts etc can Celtic not point blank refuse to allow themselves to be televised at all?

For example, St Mirren V Celtic, although we are playing away at another clubs ground and they ahve given permission for the cameras to film, can Celtic not say that they have not agreed to be filmed (image rights and all that?) That way yes we may lose out on 1-1.5m on TV money but all the other leeches will miss it more than us. Surely that would be enough to get these greedy chairmen crawling back under their rocks. Would love your thoughts on this ED and the rest of the bhoys/ghirls.

Great site by the way.

Ballybhoy {Ed007's Note - Thanks mate and welcome to the site. There is no way that any gate-sharing will ever happen. The basic principal of it is ludicrous. Would Aberdeen or Hearts be happy to give half of their gate money to Motherwell or Kilmarnock just to get half of 2 games against CFC? Plus with CFC's more expensive running costs to be taken into account means CFC could probably make out any deal like that. You also can't give away ST sales money to other clubs so it would only be on sale of matchday tickets with visiting teams needing to pay half of the CFC's matchday running costs (police etc). The TV money should be more evenly distributed anyway IMO.}

It wasnt that long ago celtic fans were slagging of rangers, for saying they wernt going to go to away games, and now your proposing saying your not allowed to show us on tv to stop them getting money!!!

Sharing gate receipts has never been on the cards and this has been stated already by the "10" , Hogging the lions share of the TV revenues is just pure greed. It takes 2 teams to play a game of football,

Pretty good shout ED on some points but isn't it strange that the trend is now for Celtic fans to call for damaging other clubs who may dare to ask for something more than they currently get? On the issue of gate 'sharing' I agree this is unlikely to happen> However don't be too surprised to find an additional 'couple of pounds' being added to Celtic's away allocation by more clubs this season - especially as it gets closer to winning the title. I'd also imagine that the costs for catering etc will also rise.............. {Ed007's Note - I think other teams should sell as many tickets as possible to CFC fans, all this boycotts talk and hurting other clubs is not my cup of tea at all, but everyone should make their own mind up about it, not be told what to do by people who take the moral high-ground.}

30 Jun 2012 11:17:33
all this talk of deals to do with rangers has got me thinking.everyone kind of agrees that they should be going to the bottom rung.now im not the fan of compromise when theyve obviously done wrong but with this talk of reconstruction and creating an spl 2 then why not go the whole way and create an spl 3 and get every club under the same branch.we dont really need 4 divisions in such a small country.who not combine division 1 and 2 into and spl 2 of 20 teams and division 3 can be the spl 3 with ten teams.thats where rangers go.introduce playoffs and have 2 up and down from each league.introduce a pyramid system so that the bottom of the third is competitive too.gives teams like spartans more of an incentive to accept the proposals. might be too short a time we have to sort it out but could this work.any thought ed?

MK BHOY {Ed007's Note - If there is time to fast track Zombie Rangers into the league set up there should be time to do anything mate.}

I like the idea but think it should be done a little different. In the SPL, first, second, third division and highland league there is 60 teams, a prefect number to make three leagues, each containing 20 teams. A little like most of the best leagues in the world (england, france, spain, italy, germany) each team in each league plays each other twice a season, would get rid of the imo silly split towards the end of the season. It would also make the leagues stronger and more completive. Three teams relegated from leagues 1 and 2 and three teams promoted from leagues 2 and 3. This would be alot better for teams in the now division 3 as they would only need two promotions to get to the top level of scottish football instead of the 3 it takes now. Also it would benefit the highland league as how it is right now they have to wait until a team decides or is forced out of the leagues before they can apply to play in the higher leagues. It is also better for the players in lower leagues to get spotted or given a chance by the better teams (i.e. celtic, hearts, aberdeen, dundee utd) which is better than the drivel most of they have to get from the english league 1 and 2 that only come to play for these teams for about two years until there contracts run out and they hope a championship team well give them higher wages, so can only improve the quality of players at those clubs because the are more likely to be glad a side give them a chance they might stay longer and these clubs can sell them on to teams to get more money generated for the clubs, which can only be a good thing for scottish football.

Agree cant Scottish leagues be the same as the Italian league?would make it more competitive trickycelt! Ps also from mk.

3 leagues of 14 adds up as a starting point. I'd have a pyramid system underneath to allow non league sides into the leage and prevent stagnation in the 3rd tier. I agree with playoff's between all divisions to generate interest and revenue and see restructuring as a process rather than a single action that may see further restructuring that reduces slightly the number of pro teams which at 42 is too high. Rules on seats and stadia should be scrapped and replaced by rules on approved youth policy, pitch standards and financial transparency. Top division to have a halfway split with a top 6 and bottom 8. This removes the imbalance in the current split and maintains the same number of games for the top 6 (can't go higher with Europe in mind) and allows a scope for winter break which Celtic (and possibly others) want for commercial purposes. The bottom 8 have more games to compensate in part for the immediate loss of income from RFC gates and long term loss of income from 1 fewer game against both Celtic and Sevco. Additonally it is likely the Top 6 and play off's would be attractive to TV. This set up maintains integrity, see's Sevco start at the bottom but reduces by 1 thenumber of years they'll take to get back. It ensures the claims of both Dunfermline and Dundee to be club 12 are fairly accomodated, increases the size of the SPL as supporters have intimated they want in a sensible way which protects revenue (16 and 18 do not do this). All of these under a single body as planned. I see this as better than the scandalous stuff the SPL/SFL/SFA are cooking up just now. And if they say you need to give all sorts of notice to do this why is that suddenly not the case for their plans. Paul

Having three leagues of 14 doesn't really add up to me and also seems quite complicated. I have a few problems in seeing how it works, 1 is there a winter break for everyone or just the clubs in the top six. 2 I dont see how teams in the same league can play more games than the other teams in the same league, can you do that? 3 the teams in the 2 and 3 leagues dont have european football so i dont see the top six wanting to play fewer games than the teams in the bottom 8(money) 4 and finally I'm not a fan of the split in a season anyway because I feel it is a unfair to say to teams they cannot finish higher than 7th, because they (and teams do, happens a lot that the clubs in 7th, 8th etc finish with more points than clubs in position 6th, 5th(I know they are playing better quality teams) could put a really good run a results together at the end of the season and finish challenging for european football but they cant because of the split. But I do agree with the pyramid so that the bottom division doesnt become stagnant as it is now.

30 Jun 2012 00:50:21
Just heard fraser forster has signed I hope its true but it was the daily fail who published it any one know if he has? James1888

29 Jun 2012 23:44:03
Forster has signed for Celtic!

O'Neill

29 Jun 2012 23:36:17
daily fail are saying forster has signed
FozzY