Celtic Rumours Archive July 26 2011
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26 Jul 2011 23:25:22
Neil Lennon has won more trophies as Celtic manager than Ally McCoist has won games as Rangers manager
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Never compare Alastair McCoist MBE to that crackpot again... please
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Well not difficult considering Rangers have played 2 competative games this season
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At last count lennon i trophy (scottish cup)
rangers 2 wins (lingfield.Blackpool)
rather trivial but as usual you are Wrong
Tony
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Ok put it this way lennon has won more trophies than fat sally has won competitive games for the shame . how's that ya nugget
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Marco1888
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Again never mention that mentalist in the same breath Mr McCoist {Ed007's Note - It was Sir on the Rangers pages last week, amazing what a couple of dodgy results can do to a man's credibility.}
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Even if Super Ally lost all 38 league games, lost 10-0 in Sweden next week, and got knocked out of every cup in the first round.... he'd still have more credibility than Keith Lemon {Ed007's Note - I will say again, I doubt Sally will lose all 38 league games, I'll be surprised if he is manager that long.}
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Gloating again? Did yous not learn your lesson last year?
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26 Jul 2011 23:24:59
Celtic are going to sell Beram Kayal, Ki Sung-Yeung, Gary Hooper, Emilio Izaguirre and Scott Brown for £2.35million and are going to replace them with Keith Lasley, Liam Craig, Darren Mackie, Alan Maybury and Edwin de Graaf...even if that was true we'd still win this league HAHA JUST A FAT PAUL LE GUEEEEEEEEEEEN
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26 Jul 2011 23:23:53
I know its ridiculous, a week ago it looked a done deal but the fact he's sayin it could go either way must mean his agent has told him the german deal might collapse, fingers defo crossed on this 1.
Drew
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26 Jul 2011 23:14:15
Was watching the Knowledge Musona interview again and i picked up on something I missed the first time. He said its 50/50 he will go to Hoffenheim because and i quote 'the celtic thing is coming up' earlier in the interview he also said 'ive only been to germany so far' are we back in there on this 1? Possibly.
Drew {Ed007's Note - Drew, I have been digging, e-mailing and Twittering all over about this today, it is becoming so strange that you would struggle to follow it with radar!}
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26 Jul 2011 23:14:07
deal for AFL has collapsed
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Never in for him in the 1st place mate so stop talkin mince. The striker comin in will be either Knowledge Musona or the guy we have on trial, Katlego Mphela.
Drew
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Thank god for that, I used to work at barnet fc and have seen AFL play on a number of occasions and let me tell you he is not Celtic quality, we could do far better than him
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Who is AFL . is this Adam Le Fondle cos that would be ALF lol
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26 Jul 2011 23:04:43
Lets not get to carried away bhoys. Remember GS 1st season, beat in Bratislava and drew at Motherwell. Wot happen and that? Though it is good whole it last hehe. Just hope we can get a good gk, striker and rid of some deadwood and that should see us home.
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26 Jul 2011 22:41:47
Anyone else fancy a trip to Sweden ? im sure we could all get in and support the mighty Malmo Surely we arent banned from going to support the home team wud rub them right up seeing a swathe of green and white on their stands getting behind the home team
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Cant w think of our own ideas seeing aas rangers did that when we played hamburd fs
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That will b the only CHAMPIONS league game yous will get.
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The closest you mob will get to sweden is ikea at braehead fancy a trip to sweden gies a break ya dafties 2bobmob
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26 Jul 2011 22:36:25
rangers played an unknown trialist tonite, his name was BOOOOOOOOOOO, had a belter of a match by the sounds of it.
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26 Jul 2011 22:24:56
Scott macdonald of to th gers.
Watchd them in the Champions league and realised celtic weren't there AGAIN In ally we trust. 1.2.3.4 here we go
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Rangers aren't there either. that was a qualifier. they lost
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Rangers have one foot out of the Champions League and by tonights performance they will struggle to sign any quality players once they have no European football
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I can't believe it Honestly I'm dumbstruck by the revelation that theres an Orc who can count as high as the number 4, you've been watching CBeebies haven't you clever boy.
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Go get washed ya mank scott mcdonald is his name you useless unwashed leper And he hates the shame kiss bye bye to Europe yer pi5h and fat sallys just...A fat paul le guenhaha
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There goes the "£10m" that you were relying on to buy the wee arab ned, no more players after doreen, ally under pressure already. smashing
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HAHA MCCOIST IS THE NEW LE GUEN AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT...
THE BEST YOU CAN DO THIS SEASON IS 2ND PLACE, ALTHO A REPEAT OF 2006 LOOKS LIKELY AND YOU HAVE WON 1 OF YOUR LAST 22 EUROPEAN GAMES.
IN SALLY WE TRUST
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4 being the amount of games in a row you havent won.
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26 Jul 2011 22:13:45
Tomorrow's daily rankers headline:
R@*gers cruise to comfortable defeat
Ben Bhoy 1916
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"Plucky And Brave G**s Contain Mighty Malmo", Its only half time says Fat Sally, We'll take a large travelling support to Sweden.......oh wait a minute.
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26 Jul 2011 22:10:43
the only subs the court jester was thinking of tonite was subway, beef and mustard for the fat one.
taxi for ally
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26 Jul 2011 22:09:13
EXCLUSIVE Rumour has it, tomorrows headlines will be " we dont want euro glory this year says ally" as he say's they are only interested in league duty.
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26 Jul 2011 21:58:42
Samaritins will be busy over on current buns page tonight It's depression central lol
Hammy
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Its nevur too late tae call the samaritauns : 0141666666, & if the person answer "hillo this is Craig whyte " jist anser " this is craig whyte , ye shousda seen the rangurs the nite"slam the f***in fone doon"
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26 Jul 2011 21:50:11
Haha bring on Dublin this weekend.. there will be a few funny songs gettin sung after that tonight :)
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Rite ed its me bit am ah jist dreamin ur did ah jist here thit the currants jist goat malkied wie wee henke < as the song goes " some thing s wull nevir change , hey vera cum here ya wee waster boabys staunin up fur the nashinal anthum,
so its good nite fir me & its prob good nite fae wee boaby,
" wee sally , hello is that sue barkin? listen hen whoos goat ma joab n wen kin ah hiv it bak {Ed007's Note - He has no chance now, he spat the dummy out with the BBC. There is a saying "get off to a flier" well the opposite to that is "get off to an Ally".}
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26 Jul 2011 21:43:49
youre just a fat paul le guen, youre just a fat paul le guen.................singalong bhoys
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I kind of feel sorry for Ally. Hes a good guy but that team he has inherited is rank. Walter new wot he was doing getting out when he did.
Celtic supporter( believe it or not)
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Your just a fat Le Guen your just a fat Le Guen.....lol.......sing up
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26 Jul 2011 21:43:26
Rankers record in Europe 1 win in 22 no wonder our co-efficent is so low
Hammy
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Beat us to the league then and u can improve it Remember Artmedia? End of {Ed007's Note - It's not the end, it is only the beginning, is that it? A result from 6 years ago is your best come back? Remember Kaunas? At least you won't need to spend money travelling to Sweden for the away leg, every cloud and all that.}
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Very short memory all off u were calling for lennon's head the begining of last season but to fair at least he got the backing of mr lawell .
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Thats pi5h mate, the majority of celtic fans got right behind lennon. Just coz use want rid of Sally already haha
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Not wanting rid of ally i will always back ally it is whyte i am not sure about
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Learn some songs and sing them for your team. All I heard was booooooooooooooooooo
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Aye good comeback Ed. Your fellow jungle jim is the the one bleating about the co-efficient. Like I say win the league and take it by storm next year i am sure. Enjoy the Europa league. Just hope u don't draw FC Utrecht again. Ripped u again Ed. {Ed007's Note - Enjoy Coronation Street on a Wednesday night, are you travelling to Sweden for the game next week?}
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Seriously Ed give it up pal. Firstly, champions league is on a tuesday as well as a wednesday. Second, u have thus infatuation with no fans in Sweden. That must mean there no bigoted septic fans right? Wrong. U r like a parrot, ur comebacks are all the same {Ed007's Note - I didn't say there were no bigoted CFC fans at any point. But CFC fans aren't currently banned from travelling to watch their team with a further suspension hanging over them. All's "FARE" in love and war, pal.}
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Aye ok Ed. It's just banter eh. You seem to be infatuated with this ban on travelling supporters. And it's is justified as I have reservations about taking my wee boy to ibrox even in the family enclosure. And let's not pretend it would not be the same if it was parkhead ge wanted to go to. {Ed007's Note - I'm only winding you up mate, but I did say I thought the away leg would have been a tricky one for Rangers. As for not being comfortable taking your son to Ibrox, I can't comment on it apart from it is sad that you don't feel that even the family enclosure has an atmosphere you do not wish to expose him to. My seat is in the upper tier of the south stand (old stand) at Parkhead and I have took a lot of young family members to games over the years and I can honestly say that I have never encountered any problems. I myself stood in The Jungle for years, but I would never have took any young family in there, and always got tickets or paid in at another area if they were with me.}
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26 Jul 2011 21:43:00
lennons wishlist=the treble
fat allys wishlist=not to be sacked for xmas
ho ho ho
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At least he will be available for the Question of Sport X-mas special.
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Nah...remember he spat the dummy oot wae the bbc.
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26 Jul 2011 21:38:30
Larsson stuns the Buns, again Ha ha, haha, ha ha haha ha ha, haha, haha.....Miko
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26 Jul 2011 21:29:52
Wouldn't have bothered had the Shame won tonight, what with the co-efficient needing some wins. Tell you what though, we're absolutely pissing ourselves laughing watching these numpties....the league's in the bag Five minutes left, let's see what happens....Miko
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Some of the malmo players look more than decent wouldnt imagine they would cost that much might be worth taking a look
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Nah yer wrong hereso you want the manks to get the cash windfall do you? i wont them out of business...period
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26 Jul 2011 21:13:40
Rangers in talks with comedy central with the possibility of showing there games on prime time
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26 Jul 2011 20:50:59
We should sign this Larrson LOL
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You are my Larrson my Daniel Larrson, you know the rest LOL. MACCA
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I think we might have spotted a keeper.He played a blinder 2nite and kept a clean sheet at Ibrox.
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Dont think the keeper was any good tbh but liked the look of larsson
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26 Jul 2011 20:41:51
Im hearing strong rumours coming from ibronx that once again some guy who goes by the name Larsson is running amok lol
If malmo go through does that mean theyl be out of europe all 2gether?
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Nah mate they'll drop into the Europa Lge with us as I understand it.
Pi$$ funny though eh, you couldn't make it up, lol.
Evening Ed, on that topic, when is the draw for the Knockout round being made mate?
Shaunynhoy {Ed007's Note - For the Europa league I think it is the 5th of August, Shaunny. With the games being played on the 18th and 25th.}
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If they dnt go through they are out of europe all together
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Cheers Ed,
Wandered onto Europe Lge website, you need a degree in Quantum Physics or summat to work that $hit out.
Honestly, I've never heard of half the teams in it and we could end up in some unpronouncable backwater somewhere (assuming we're seeded - think that's where the degree comes in).
Should be an interesting adventure, here's hoping.
Shaunybhoy - CAN spell his own tag, honest. {Ed007's Note - No hassle Shauny.}
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They, ll only go into the europa league if they lose the next qualifier
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If R*****s loose next week they drop out of europe If they make it to the next qualifiers and loose them then they would go into europa laegue.
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26 Jul 2011 20:40:47
Larsson Who wears the number 7 .. who scored on the 18 minute.. lennys number
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26 Jul 2011 20:39:07
0-1 Malmo half time, guess who scored their goal?
LARSSON you could not make it up
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26 Jul 2011 19:18:07
Yeah correct Ed he is only 17 seemingly he broke into there reserve squad last season on a couple of occasisons so may be worth a chance ( We will see ). By the way first time ive posted on this site so glad to see it came through ok. {Ed007's Note - No worries and welcome.}
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Played for a West Brom XI against Rochdale tonight, came on as a sub in the 2nd half but then went off with an injury 20 minutes later
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26 Jul 2011 18:57:54
Celtic apparently ready to offer west brom youth team player Donervon Daniels a contract. Supposedly a good player and obviously fits with the current singing strategy of young players to develop and sell on. {Ed007's Note - The young West Indian? He is only 17.}
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Ha ha just read my first post meant to be signing strategy. But after so many posts today maybe singing strategy was correct ha ha
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26 Jul 2011 18:41:13
You have to giggle that Rangers fans are on crying about celtic singing sectarian songs but by all accounts singing song about the I*A is not classed as sectarian as it is not based on religion and that is what sectarian means and celtic have banned the song not the government by law as the full leguslation has not been fully published yet . I*A songs are political not sectarian. Also that would mean the damn buster song rule britania would be banned under new leguslation as the scottish government has already published what they want banned i.e sectarian and political songs .
I for one agree these songs should not enter football ground or our streets but until there is a law against political songs being sung celtic fans aint breaking the law , they might be mindless morons giving our club a bad name but they are not breaking the law.
like i said celtic have banned the songs , next step the government. you can argue all you want but the law states that sectarian singing is songs causing offence by religious prejudice towards others there is nothing based on political views.
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So where does Rangers being banned from singing God Save the Queen come into your non-sectarian/political argument come then? think you might find the government was looking at anything.song, flag, person or otherwise that might give rise to hatred and insight trouble etc., being it political, religious, bigoted, racial or otherwise
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26 Jul 2011 17:49:53
Juarez off to Zaragoza for the season-
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Hopefully that will boost his confidence and he will come back a better player. Didnt think he was that bad though, i personally think it has something to do with mexico scandal last season
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26 Jul 2011 17:23:20
wish we would actuall sign people instead of bringin them on trial Dont know what to believe ed sort it out
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We are bringing them in on trial to see if they are good enough to sign.
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The editor can sort out Celtic's policy of taking players on trial by doing what exactly? Haha {Ed007's Note - I've got more than enough to keep me busy anyway ;-)
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26 Jul 2011 17:09:39
yep he has now signed a one year loan deal. im quite happy he will now get some playin time :D {Ed007's Note - Efrain Juarez}
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26 Jul 2011 16:35:31
Its not the way to do things tho, musona should be allowed to speak to whoever is interested.
Drew {Ed007's Note -Especially if the financial package is better than the Germans offer, as has been reported.}
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26 Jul 2011 16:28:14
Musona's team want him to goto Hoffenheim because they have a track record of nurturing african players, i.e Demba Ba etc. Wouldnt be surprised if they have a sell on clause in the contract hence holding out for that deal.
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26 Jul 2011 16:21:27
Could be sumthing in that Drren Mcgregor one tho, Leenon was at the game last night, dont play st mirren to the end of next month so must be looking at sum1.
Drew
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26 Jul 2011 16:14:51
Afternoon Ed. Think this shows Chiefs have no intention of selling Musona to us. Shockin way to do business.
Drew {Ed007's Note - Yeah Drew, I saw it. There is something definitely strange about the whole saga from what I have read and been told.}
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26 Jul 2011 16:12:12
heard from reliable source that roma are in for big sammy , there forward line will be mince and totti
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That is a shocking attempt at humor mate
daviebhoy08 {Ed007's Note - I thought it was Tim when I read it.}
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The joke is ment to be, did you hear that totti signed for rangers and whoever your talking to goes no you say yeah to go with the mince they already have
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26 Jul 2011 16:09:20
Knowledge musona has came out and said that he knows nothing about Celtics interest in him. Just goes to show the ridiculous way kaizer chiefs are doing business. Celtic made a 1.6 mil bid 3 weeks ago and they didnt even tell the boy. He says its 50/50 weather he will go to Hoffenheim. I truly think if we coulds just speak to the guy then we would get him. Source is kick off magazine.
Drew {Ed007's Note - Good afternoon Drew.}
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26 Jul 2011 16:05:59
celtic to try and beet rangers to the signing of david goodwillie.
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LOL Dream on Timothy he won't go near yer Breeze Block Stadium
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Goodwillie will NEVER do a Broon and go to yous... he's a Bluenose through & through
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Rangers can't afford him. he will go to blackpool. don't want him anywhere near celtic, he's a ned
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Why do u idiots grudge brown for comin to celtic? Its not as if he had a choice between the 2. We paid the money hibs asked for, rangers didnt/couldnt. What was he supposed to do, stay at hibs for another 4 years until craig whyte could afford him (allegedly)?
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Just like we couldn't afford to give McCulloch, Naismith, McGregor, Whittaker and Davis new deals... just like we couldn't afford Lee Wallace..
I'm no maths genius but by my reckoning the spending this season is thus... Rangers - £2.25m, c*ltic - £1m
Took any more players on trial? Found a goalie yet?
Thought not.
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Yees paid well over the odds for lee wallace tho? hes never worth 1.5 mil? nice to see yous are goin out your way te tie deals up fast incase someone else comes in for them because we all know they will choose the other team over yous
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Aye daivd goodwillie is a brilliant player mate and we should sell big sammy
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Goodwillie is a decent player but not as good as Hooper, and no better than Stokes. Don't care if R*****s sign him he's not needed at Parkhead.
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26 Jul 2011 15:55:01
thomas hitzelsperger 40k a week without payin a fee. cant see y we dont go for him that would be a great signing {Ed007's Note - The 40k a week part is why, and he is in talks with Wolves.}
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We have enough good midfielders in the team already...
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Hi Ed how are you? i'm gettin sick of hearing that we cant afford to buy these players surely if we had invested some descent money in the last 3 year the we would have lost 3 in a row and would of most likely received all of it back plus more with champions league money, ED how much champions league money have lost out in the last 3 years? speculate to accumulate comes to mind {Ed007's Note -That is a valid point, but there is money there for the right players. CFC had tracked Wilson and Matthews for over a year and tried to buy Wilson last summer and in January. It is only a myth that CFC do not have any money to buy players, if the right players become available CFC and NL will do everything they can to sign them. Apart from a GK we aren't exactly screaming out for new players. Isn't it better that way than just buying players for the sake of it?}
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I think the right players have come along with the likes of keano and given, keane alredy prove his worth so he wouldn't be another graverson and i'm sure he would of agreed to take a pay cut to come to the tic. and given has been one of the best gk in rhe english prem for over a decade i think they should of pushed the boat out for one of these. i think the team can defo improve striker, gk, cd at least. thay need to get rid of those dummys starting with that donkey sammy,
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26 Jul 2011 15:52:47
my mate said heard from 1 a the st mirren directors that celtic have had a bid knocked back for st mirrens centre back darren mcgregor in the region of 200k any truth in that ed? {Ed007's Note - That would be a fantastic signing ;-/
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26 Jul 2011 14:11:58
Heard that the board and in particular is unhappy with Lennon, expect him to get the boot shortly.
Paul Lambert will be approached. {Ed007's Note - In particular who? The BT guy that was fitting the phone the other day?}
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Seriously these muppets need to get a life. The only thing these ridiculous posts suggest is how good a job lennon is doing and how increasingly annoyed they are getting over at Mordor.
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Why do some people talk s**te. You tell me where you got this information from and don't say it was one of your buddies.
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Na mate im a gers man and what it shows is that both teams have their daft wee 8 yr old fans that think this stuff is witty
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Can picture this guy sitting in front of his sceen in urine stained breeks caused by laughing at his latest joke post that has us all shocked and panic stricken
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I think Rangers fans are seriously worried, every day they are on the Celtic site posting all these disaster rumours about Celtic. Go back and post something on your own site about all the millions you have and all the top quality players they can buy for £4.50 and a chomp
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Another exclusive based on cold hard facts. the original poster has two braincells.....unfortunatly for him, ones went missing and the others away to look for it.
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Is this the same board that said he was doing brilliantly right b4 the scots cup final, only 2 competitive matches ago?? go finish of the rest of that dubi uve been smoking.
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I think he means "Card board" another manky from the dark-side over at ipox, scared of the dreaded fat sally moisty's year of hell that already begun. GBNL
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WISHFUL THINKING AND WHY WOULD OUR BOARD BE UNHAPPY? WE HAVE A VERY TALENTED SQUAD, THE FANS ARE UNITED AND WE ARE 2 POINTS AND 2 GOALS AHEAD AFTER JUST 1 GAME...
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26 Jul 2011 14:11:38
ED what happened to Sickboy?
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He was 1 of the few that didn't spout s**te, just made good conversation.
Ben Bhoy 1916
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Ed 007, you never printed my reply, was i right in my guess?
Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - I couldn't possibly comment on that.}
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26 Jul 2011 13:17:42
see if the shame sign goodwillie does that mean watp will mean we are the perverts
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OMG This from a club with our past. Grow up and talk football. eedjit
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Lol beat me to it mate .... some folk just dont think eh?
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I thought he was cleared.... have I missed something? {Ed007's Note - He was not cleared, charges were dropped after it was ruled there was insufficient evidence. Being cleared would have involved a court case and a not guilty verdict.}
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CLEARLY A RANGERS FAN TRYING TO REFER BACK TO ONE INDIVIDUAL IN THE 70S, SICK PEOPLE
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26 Jul 2011 13:01:57
Italian press reporting that ex arsenal keeper Alex manninger is to chose between Celtic and sampdoria within the next 48 hours
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26 Jul 2011 12:42:25
Have we forgoton about gregorz sanderomski?
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26 Jul 2011 12:20:45
its in the times today that west ham have offered 5.5million rising to 8 million but for some stupid reason reading want to keep him till the end of this season.
Marco1888 {Ed007's Note - Shane Long.}
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Yes mate its also on the BBC gossip page
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26 Jul 2011 12:07:29
feels like hooilveld is out the door for on sunday kelvin wilson was wear number 6 which was hoilvelds nnumber
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Actually hoovield is now number 17 and is still at celtic
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26 Jul 2011 10:59:33
see if the shame sign goodwillie does that mean watp will mean we are the perverts
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The charges were dropped so stop with the pervert crap
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So were OJ's. We are the people = We have a hard wired superiority complex.
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Theres a chance he'll sign for us so I wouldnt get on the boys back just yet
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I don't want goodwillie anywhere near Celtic park
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Why dont you want him at celtic. is it beacause he, s a rangers fan
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No its because he is more bother than he is worth.
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Not the first player to get into bother. happened to lots of celtic players in the past hopefully hes learned from this.think he would be a great signing
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That fat little deviant is taylor-made for the lurid b**e of the Shame, he's welcome to join the rest of the convicts and pavement pirates that inhabit Orc Dome.
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Hope celtic dont go near him. constantly in trouble if its not being accused of rape its assault etc
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26 Jul 2011 10:20:12
Not a rumour Ed but what a signing we would have if Lenny went for John Carew on a free. Also Cant believe were not looking at Mcfadden.
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5years ago these two would have been fantastic signings. But now..... they would be a terrible waste of wages. Carew doesnt score enough and faddy is more injury prone than malloney.
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26 Jul 2011 10:14:59
Been out side lennoxtown all day trying to get a few autographs.. Ive just seen Craig Bellamy not a word a lie.. He just rolled down his widow and signed a autograph for me ... send me your number i took a pic on my iphone , roll on the marque signing {Ed007's Note - You can post the pic on the CFC Sightings page.}
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Suprise, suprise, no uploaded picture of craig bellamy
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Another gers fan talkin s**te no doubt
watp = were all total pr**ks....
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Rite wee sacs so theres no lying on your part get the picture uploaded
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Don't be surprised if there is a picture of Bellamy......David Bellamy that is.
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Does he not have electric windows? Lol W.A.T.P
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It may have been credible if he'd been at the fabled celtic park burger van, buying a vegeterian pie for his pet unicorn.
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26 Jul 2011 07:11:05
Juarez twitter and facebook status and tweets are just smily faces. Judging by the comments looks like he signed for Zaragoza last night
Jamie
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Close to a years loan. will happen in next 48 hours
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26 Jul 2011 02:52:55
I have been told tonight that we are after a dundee utd striker and its jonny Russell for a fee believed to be 1.5 million plus darren odea on loan for the season
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Hes got the potential to be far better than goodwillie, however i would wait another year to see how he improves
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26 Jul 2011 01:48:46
heard a wee story that Jos Hooiveld is being offered to several clubs for a nominal fee, but no takers so far. Virtually certain to leave in the next few weeks.
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26 Jul 2011 00:19:08
Heard from a source inside parkhead today that a 600k deal for Adam le fondre is almost complete subject to medical on Friday. Remember where u heard it {Ed007's Note - There is confirmed interest from a Scottish team in ALF, but I can not find out who it is from anywhere.}
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Hi Ed. I am with you on this. I have heard rumours, but not sure whether it is us or yous he is attracting interest from. Time will tell no doubt, but he is a decent player. {Ed007's Note - There was a story that it was Hibs but I can't see that myself, but I know there is a confirmed interest from Scotland although there are teams in England interested as well.}
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Has a really really good record in england all b it at a lower leavel worth taking a chance IMO
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