Celtic Rumours Archive June 24 2012

24 Jun 2012 22:38:07
Hibs say NO

DIN22

Well done the Hibees another nail in the coffin..... Maybe sporting integrity will win an Sevco go to Div 3

Bigbr

24 Jun 2012 19:24:02
dont know if true or not but it seems rosenburg are having finacial problems and want us to make a concrete offer for henrickson if this is the case we should also try and get john chiubuke as well, big strong fast left mid with an eye for goal ,if we got these two then the prospect of losing wanyama is more than covered ,,,,,deep river bhoy

24 Jun 2012 17:43:10
I've just read about your fans planning to boycott away games next season for all those who vote in favour of the Newco, and I find it ludicrous and frankly ridiculous. You should all be putting your club and players first. How do you think your players would feel walking out in a ground with no Celtic fans? Really getting behind the team that isn't it. Anyone who agree's with this needs to get a grip and realise who they support. I wouldn't listen to people telling me not to go to LFC away games, its about supporting your team, and as fans there isn't any need to get involved in 'Club Politics'.
JFT96
Smithy

Smithy/ED007 just read the CSA statement. Myself like most Celtic fans has enjoyed our "jelly and ice cream moment" but I think we should now all get back to supporting our club.
Instead of a boycott, why not offer an incentive to all other clubs. Promise to buy our full allocation of tickets, spend our money inside their ground.
As for Celtic FC they should be looking at fairer ways of distributing TV money,etc..
Timalloy {Ed007's Note - I've said it before Tim, the only people who will tell me not to watch CFC are Moneypenny and the bank manager. I'm 38 years old and capable of making my own mind up.}

Smithy - Celtic fans will stand up for what we believe in and we believe in sporting integrity, which means Newco going to Div 3.

Anything else is a disgrace.

Those clubs who want Newco straight back into the SPL should hang their heads in shame. They would only be making that decision on the basis of two home games against Newco each season, which distils down to financial reasons.

These clubs are prepared to sleep with the devil for financial gain.

These clubs have no place in football and do not deserve the support from Celtic's supporters.

As such we will do the right thing and boycott their games.

A message must be sent out to these clubs that sportining integrity must come first and foremost.

K-Dot.

This guys spot on.how can we boycott other teams when we as a club have not made our stance known.not a fan of romanov of steven thomson but at least they have stated there intentions.as for boycotts?we should forget about that lots troubles and do what we do best,support glasgow celtic fc!hail hail the celts will always be here

Lets forget all this boycott nonsense and wait and see what happens instead of trying to bully other clubs into a decision if they are allowed into any league other than div 3 then take action. Tulip

OP, If I typed what I'm thinking it would not pass the vetting stage so I better not. I will however say I disagree with completely and I will tell you why. For a start why should Livingstone get papt oot and any other team be allowed to stay? You can't make up the rules as you go along even for cash reasons. There are some thing in life more important than cash and this is one. You mention how our players would feel in a stadium with no Celtic fans, well it would feel strange for them but how would the Celtic fans feel with themselves if we let Sevco and the dead Rangers and you and SFA/SPL and other SPL teams with no morals a lack of integrity walk all over us? Celtic fans are more behind Celtic than words can describe more than the old Rangers fans for example, Rangers fans made more fuss outside Ibrox when they signed a catholic ( Mo J ) compared to what's happened to them now, they have watched their club die and spent the fighting fund on grass. Fans don't need to get involved with some things but they do with this as we are the heart of the club! Sevco are lucky to even be given the chance to go to div 3 because Rangers were cheats unrivalled in this country and have lied to everyone and carried out illegal acts and tax dodged. If other clubs vote yes they better call duff and duffer for admin because we are not going!

Its not about club politics its about whats right and wrong and its wrong for scottish football to bend over backwards to accomodate cheats.After all rangers didn't care what happened to the rest of the clubs in the spl when they were cheating

I think the bhoycott is just s athreat to the smaller clubs to make them vote no. nothing more. there will not be one because they wont get in.

Been following CFC since 1975 and go to all home and away games. No one will tell me what games I will go to. Whatever happens to club 12 happens, I will always follow the World Famous Glasgow Celtic.

I can make my own mind up and i wont be going back to any ground that votes the newco in and that includes celtic

24 Jun 2012 17:34:27
ED007 pub discussion, do you think that Lawwell is watching devolopments at Ibrokes before issuing Neil with any
funds..
Most Celtic fans, myself included are waiting on a signing or two, but none seem imminent.
Has Neil got a transfer budget or as it appears more likely, he has to sell
before he can buy. We should not be worrying about Newcorpse Fc, we should be looking to Champions League, if we sign 2 or 3 better players we will recoup any money spent if we get to group stages of CL.
For next 3 years our focus should be
a) win league but just as important
b) go as far in Champions League as we can.
If we do well in europe our finances will surely improve. Timalloy

{Ed007's Note - The transfer window isn't open yet Tim.}

Neil lennon will definitely have to sell or just let go of a few more players to trim that enormous squad regardless of what happens at Ibrox. {Ed007's Note - There is a lot more than the six NL said that have already left. I still expect Ki to leave over the coming weeks and Hooper if anyone will meet the fee.}

I also expect ki and hooper to leave. ki im not so bothered about losing. yes great player but now is definately the right time to sell. hooper is one i have mixed opinions on. on his day is unplayable and other days has the touch of a donkey. if get good money for both il be very happy and we will strenghten. im sure of it. let lenny go about his business as he has done in the past and we will not fail!

all the rumours of players coming in i can near guarantee not one of them will cause when do celtic let there targets be mentioned?

in lenny we trust! ooh and pl to! great job your doing bhoys

another point just when i am here. i think its great our supporters are saying no to newco. they shudnt get away with what they have done and the clubs that vote them in shouldnt get the money from our fans. just my opinion and alot of my friends opinion to.. great work btw ed with everything

Kieran1967 {Ed007's Note - Thanks Kieran. I have heard that Blackpool are about to bid again for McCourt between £500K - £750K. He could be used as a makeweight in a part-exchange deal for Matty Phillips.}

Hooper has already said he wants to stay at club and play in CL, can't see him leaving. Ki yes could go and we should get good money for him. As the transfer window has not opened it is hard to comment on who may be going or coming into CFC but I am sure Lenny will have his eye on a few good players. {Ed007's Note - If Hooper was so keen to stay he would have signed the new contract and told his agent to stop hawking him around England.}

24 Jun 2012 15:31:22
Ed - any word on how the Celtic Supporters Assocciation meeting went this morning.

K-Dot. {Ed007's Note - At the Celtic Social Club in London Road this afternoon the Celtic Supporters Association unanimously voted in favour of a boycott any club that decided to vote in favour of the Newco admittance into the SPL, regardless of the outcome, successful or not.

The North American Association of Celtic Supporters, The Irish Association of Celtic Supporters, the Green Brigade and the Celtic Trust have all backed the CSA stance today.}

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this at all. We are Celtic fans Faithfull through and through. We should be there cheering the bhoys regardless! {Ed007's Note - I have said before that the it should be up to the individual

I really dont see the point in a boycott if the Newco dont get into the SPL. If any of these clubs go under because of it thats what the bears are wanting no?
Henrik's Tongue

Thanks Ed.

I think this is the right stance to take. We must stand for sporting integrity.

K-Dot.

Just a thought but what if we vote to let them in?

This is a difficult one. I believe Rangers should go to 3rd Division and we should not let Sly dictate who plays in what division. However I don't believe a boycott will help the team. With no support we could struggle on many occasion. Also until we come out and say yes or no we can't judge others. We would be better cancelling our Sly subscriptions.

Right Mr Opinionated gas bag.
Sporting integrity...My arse!
Do you condone your club and your managers stance regarding the referee situation a few years back,and NL's conduct towards them last season?
That's what you are spouting on about K-Dot.
Perhaps the following analysis of sporting integrity gleaned from elsewhere will enlighten you somewhat.
All political groups, religious bodies and other similar authorities, tend to create moral systems and frameworks that impose artificial and overly complex values on our lives, typically to suit their own ends and purposes.

But there is a problem with it, which the analogy with football highlights perfectly:
There are too many instances of cheating and rule-breaking, bias and discrimination, self-indulgence and psychological egoism in football, as in the vast majority of human activities.

So the question we are left with is this: through which source do we come to understand the values of honesty, equality, fairness and integrity that are assumed to sit at the heart of sport, morality and life? Who or what defines them?
If we define these values through engaging in basic human activities and practices, they become susceptible to individualistic preference; if we have them imposed on us through external authorities, they become susceptible to authoritarian bias and corruption.

When we talk about upholding the value of integrity in sport, how do we know that our understanding of integrity is authentic; how do we know that our sense of integrity is not in some way tainted by our own individual preferences, particularly in football, when individual preferences are partly definitive of the competition itself?

Do we rely on the relevant authorities to define integrity in terms of the notions of fair play, sportsmanship, transparency and tolerance? Do we assume we understand this definition in a non-circular way? And how do we know that we can rely on footballing authorities not to subtly modify the meaning of integrity, as a direct consequence of their commercial responsibility to maximise revenue in the game?
The crux of the problem is that if you try to define the notion of sporting integrity from a vantage point within the system that it is supposed to regulate, it comes under pressure from competing and contradictory demands. If you try to define it from outside that system, there is a danger that the definition will fail to cope with the complexities that emerge from within the system.

It is incredibly difficult to get out of this tangle.

Our interpretation of what sporting integrity consists in is dangerously close to losing its authenticity whichever way you define it.

And its function as a standard is just as useful as one of Ludwig Wittgenstein’s elastic rulers that shrinks or expands to fit the size of the object it is measuring.
P.O.B.

I do agree with this. Hit them where it hurts. Also agree Ed, I think it should be up to the individual and think that at the end of the day, people like yourself will continue to go to games regardless of the vote today... MrCheshington

What happens if peter lawell votes for rangers

I feel that life is too short, its a game of football, rangers are finished and if the new rangers are allowed into spl (will never happen) they will either be fighting relegation or administration.
Im also sick of the same words banded about, transparency, sporting integrity, Im a season ticket holder and know fine well the board at any club really dont care about the supporters, just trying to make money. jj

Hey POB lots of big words don't change the veracity of the argument. Consider the opinion of those outside the goldfish bowl, namely HMRC. So, please drop the protestations ( hope I spelled that right ) and leave NL out of the fog of war surrounding you're debt ridden and soon to be re-administrated/liquidated shamble of a club. You're word sound like the death flails of yon monster in "Hellbhoy" (oops spelled that wrong)

HI pob

Even philosophy can generate no defence for RFC. I prefer the elegance of a parsimonious explenations. The boys in blue cheated, they got caught, they are no more. Back to the second year post modern social constructivism textbooks for you, i suspect you have an exam soon

grout {Ed007's Note - Whoah!!!!! Less of that talk at this time of the night!! Is that you Spiers???}

The Celtic board have to declare which way they intend to vote, I hope the above decision/vote aim is for this as much as anything else