Celtic Rumours Archive April 14 2012

14 Apr 2012 22:56:51
Talking to a mate n he raised a good point,if rankers go bust what will the fallout be regarding all the stuff minty sold? Shirts and catering? will they sue? My mate (gers) thinks money was paid up front as a fee every year. ED?.....green jhedi {Ed007's Note - I don't know the ins and outs of the deals mate. But there must be clauses etc, I would imagine company's would be helpful to Rangers over such deals.}

Ed007; thats what we were saying,they can renew all those deals and thats another income stream,looks like whyte was maybie thinking like that as well. some punishment this is turning out to be!.........green jhedi {Ed007's Note - That could possibly be one outcome, only time will tell.}

If Rangers go bust all deals will come to an end. A Newco will then be in a position to set up new deals.

14 Apr 2012 21:25:09
Remember all listen to radio Clyde at 6pm on Monday Alex Thomson will be on about 7.. and reveals what reporter threatened him......

My moneys on king he's a right wee knobhead

Today his alex Twitter comments:

So - Sat morning and not one of the journos who doubted I'd been threatened has accepted my challenge to say it to my face on Clyde

We all know who you are - see you 7pm Monday Radio Clyde or do you just disrespect a colleague when he's 400 miles away?

What king Darrel or Ian ? .Both of them are total knobheads.........DH

14 Apr 2012 19:58:33
A few have raised the question of clubs sueing Rangers for loss of earnings from potential Euro or domestic cups advancement but what about individuals?
Could not players and managers AND fans seek recompense for actual losses (players,managers) and especially in the case of fans, from being denied the pleasure of seeing their teams (for some a once in a lifetime chance) on a big stage. Here I'm thinking if a company,say, sold tickets to film buffs to meet and greet some big star and the event fell through, even if the company refunded ticket and travel costs there could be action by some of the fans to recompense for the disappointment. I off now to see my solicitor!

I'm not sure I understand you, clubs suffering loss of earnings from potential Euro and domestic cups? I guessing you mean if Rangers were to remain in the SPL?

Firstly, if Rangers remain in the SPL then that is up to the SPL, not Rangers. You'd have to go after the SPL for loss of earnings.

Secondly, Rangers will be banned from Euro for 3yrs what ever happens. The ban is on Rangers, not SFA/SPL - so the "Slot" vacated by Rangers is still availibale to the other clubs (so no loss, maybe better?). Did I misunderstand you?

Just to clarify my "loss of earnings" statement. I'm thinking of teams that were perhaps eliminated in an early round of one of the domestic cups by an "overpowerful" Rangers team using tax money to field players they wouldn't otherwise have had. The losing team would have missed out on further progress. Rangers finishing higher in the league than they should , may have denied European access to a club(s) costing them again. Players and managers could have lost out on bonuses that would have been due had their teams been more successful. Some players may have had their careers stunted because they missed out on big stage exposure, say, in Europe and consequently never got noticed by the Liverpools and Uniteds (or Rangers!) of the world. This last point would be very difficult to prove of course. If a standard
3-nil loss was imposed against Rangers for games where they were proven to have used "illegals" then it could be relatively simple to calculate the effect on league positions (consequently Euro losses). For Cup games one could only establish a losing team should have advanced one more round rather than being eliminated by Rangers at whatever stage.From those results calculating financial costs would be possible.
The fans' claim would be much more difficult but the courts do regularly make rulings concerning esoteric damages (defamation for instance) and I see no reason why an informed judge couldn't decide if sport fans had suffered because of cheating within the sport and award monetary compensation for their disappointments. I think a class action, where a large number of fans of a club that ,say, didn't get to go to Europe join together to register their collective sense of being cheated might be possible. I'm not talking millions per head just a sum of a few tens of pounds to underline that an injustice had been done. Collectively, and considering several teams might be involved, including European clubs that lost to Rangers the total sums could be large.
Of course cases where no direct loss could be established would be a risky endeavour and I mentioned these somewhat more to emphasise how the cheating has far reaching effects rather than to say that the case was clear cut. The other losses, to players/managers, would be more easily quantifiable and I do not see why awards could not be made ASSUMING the sporting authorities make a definite ruling that Rangers had fielded "illegals" and so give the courts a clear indication that people had been unfairly deprived of income.

14 Apr 2012 19:14:40
Does anyone know if these rumours are true about when rangers are liquidated and the transfer of history to a newco? Surely a newco starts from the beginning with its own history?!

If Rangers manage to return to the SPL through a CVA and keep their history intact, then the other 11 clubs should resign from the SPL and start up a break away league with new rules that equally benefit all. These cretins cannot change the rules to suit Rangers. The other 11 clubs should be using this threat now to save scottish football being a laughing stock once again. Make them apply to get into the third division and start as a new company. Simples !!

14 Apr 2012 18:54:39
Scott Brown....Championship winning captain.
El Had Diouf.....Relegated to League 1

That is all.

14 Apr 2012 18:50:47
ed,can we arrange a minutes silence,say,no posts for a minute tonight at 7 pm,just to show our sympathy for el hadj djiouf and his world beating doncaster rovers,who,were relegated today.all together now..........awwwwwwwwwwwww.artybhoy.p.s.GIRUY

14 Apr 2012 14:33:07
Ed is it true that Jelavic told the Everton players at half time it was over and they had won the cup?

In all honesty am glad hes scorein down there shows the spl isnt a bad standard they all fink and there full of over priced strikers that arent fit to lace gary hoopers boots

14 Apr 2012 13:21:00
Hi ed read on the Rangers site some guy saying if rangers are liquidated any newco get to keep their name their badge and their history something to do with the SPL rules is this true?MACCA {Ed007's Note - As far as I can see it is only possible to keep their SPL record preserved, everything else will be wiped......... 'in the SPL’s eyes, "a club" would not cease to exist if a share is transferred. If Rangers’ share is transferred from oldco to newco, they would not be required to have a new club name, new badge or new colours and their SPL record would be preserved'.}

Sorry for being a pest ed but does that mean their history would be wiped out from before the spl was formed then?MACCA {Ed007's Note - From what I can see, and if it's true, yes Macca.}

1) this was on the report STV's Grant Russell had on their site, he was claiming it was disclosed to him by someone in SPL

I find it hard to believe {Ed007's Note - I am not 100% sure about it myself either.}

Celtic should insist on everything thing been wiped clean including the trophy cabnet in ibrox if they havent already been pawned also insist in a name fitting with their tainted history (band of theives fc ) something like that .Also their new jersey should resemble a prison uniform and the badge have a picture of hector .Then a percentage of their gates divided out every week amoungst the teams cheated out of league titles cup finals and European football .And as a novelity their in coming chairman should bend over backwards and kiss the arse of every chairman in the SPL .Then and then only should they be admitted .................... opps thens there's point deductions ..... cant be enough santions .............. TTTS

13 Apr 2012 23:55:52
After listening to the rangers supporters representitve on sky sports news threatening the clubs with a boycott for next season was a disgrace . There are two things that really got on my nerves, Firstly how does he know that his team will be around next season , and secondly you would think that rangers are the the victims in this mess. What does he expect the other teams to do as his club owes at least 5 teams substantial amounts of money.
67Coatbridge

It just goes to show what we've all known for years - what the true character of a Rangers supporter is. Vile.

Could they not start the Boycott this season and not take tickets for the game on the 29th April? It will save a lot of damage being done to Celtic Park by the Manky Mob. They will not have the money to pay for the damages so it will be left up to Celtic to pick up the cost.

Your treating all rangers fans with the same brush by saying there all vile hmmm eh would say your just as bad judgeing every single person by what some people think

The boycott thing came as a surprise to me. Didn't wind me up though so much as it made me laugh in disbelief.

In regards to SPL rulings, I really don't know what Rangers supporters feel they have a right to protest about considering their club could potentially have a rap sheet the size of their ever-growing list of creditors this time next year. In fact, the proposals, even if somewhat expected, are pretty lenient considering that any newco formed would otherwise be paying near enough jack-all of their bills and effectively getting off Scot-free after years of overspending and effectively gaining unfair advantage over other clubs as a result. A 10 point penalty for 2 seasons hardly makes up for the way Rangers board (and I stress - board, not fans) have conducted themselves; and as for financial penalties even a 75% fine - if one that big is even dished out - won't cover the damages if the big-tax case goes against Rangers. They didn't honestly think they'd just get back in on a whim did they? There simply has to be a penalty for rule breaking and a price to pay for automatic re-entry into an advanced league. If this isn't to be the case I urge Lawwell and Desmond to get the cheque books out - go right ahead and buy Messi, Xavi, Ronaldo, Rooney with 10 years salary paid up front and wayhay! Let's just liquidate! After all, we can clear the debts and just start again, no?

But in all seriousness, if anything, Rangers fans should be directing their protests towards the disgraceful way their club has been run for the past 15-20 years, and that only; and leave the protests regarding sudden changes to SPL rulings and differential treatment (Gretna? Motherwell? Dundee? Inverness? anyone?) to the other 11 clubs in the SPL who'll be affected by this, not to mention the 30 or so sitting below them in the SFA governed leagues who I'm sure would happily entertain league reconstruction from the bottom up should Rangers cease to exist.

Having said all that, in retrospect, it's exactly the response that one would expect. The supporters trust had to have some sort of statement. Better it be a defiant, threatening one plagued with uncertainty for SPL chairmen (and yet with a hint of victimisation and persecution to potentially gain support from certain sections of the media) than one of fear or apathy.

In truth, I think the chairmen stand to lose most since in the end it's them and their respective clubs - reliant on scraps of revenue - who're the real victims here. Have they or the Rangers supporters trust even thought that a vote in the direction of a "free" Rangers newco entry and the trust basically getting their way could see thousands of fans all over Scotland boycotting matches? Lose-lose for clubs who really need the money.

I think a speak for every Celtic fan when a say am sick of our beautiful stadium been polluted by quadruple XL kebbab stained tops anyway so bring on. 1888

U would think with the way there carrying on it was the whole split who Had broke the law and cheated not them. Airdie bhoy

You cant boycott if you dont exist

You would think the SFA took notice and thought,right,div3 it is then.......green jhedi

As a rangers fan if we liquidated returned as a new co and got back in the spl I would be utterly disgusted we Shood be starting from division 3 provided we get the vote n not for any reason other than its wat we deserve it might have been the boards fault for the debts but at the end of the day they done it on behalf of rangers