Celtic Rumours Archive July 13 2012

13 Jul 2012 22:07:14
When is the decision on whether Dundee or Dunfermline are promoted? Have a soft spot for Dundee so would love them to get up!Am very keen to have a new striker in and a centre back more importantly is lennon definitely in for 1? i think a centre half is essential! Any news on either points?

Intresting that CQN now have Dunfermline listed as team 12 but it may just be a case of making up the numbers at the moment as nothing has been announced officially ( heard that a decision will be declared on monday ) Dundee would be my preference for football reasons as their presence in the north east would be a major financial boost to those previously dependent on sevcos ill gotten gains and yorkson is strangely quiet on the matter .... but we're dealing with officials that dont know their erchie from their elbow and I can envisage yet another debacle on the horizon if the outcome isn't watertight .

13 Jul 2012 21:42:47
Hi ed have you any idea of when we might hear if rangers will have tainted titles stripped. IMO this has to happen to maintain the integrity of the league. I personally don't care if they render them years void or give them to Celtic as long as the get stripped. You can't cheat and expect to get away with it if you are caught.

Celticthomas {Ed007's Note - It will all depend on the findings of the FTT, until that is known nothing can be done regarding any punishments.}

Who cares about Rangers,Lets concentrate on Celtic,...

Why do they have to wait there's already a case to answer even if comes back they don't owe a penny on BTC they still used double contracts

Rangers, who? aw i remember them, wore blue , played at ibrox, sorry what was the question?

Take their tainted titles from them, they dont deserve them

You guys are so short sighted its unbelievable, the team that is going to suffer most from all this after rangers is celtic. No old firm games to lure good players, and dont think champ league football will because with only one old firm team in europe the coefficient will be on a par with ireland so after this yer the best celtic can hope for is europa league for the next 5 years. Not to mention what will happen to season ticket sales with playin in a one horse race league. Enjoy!

Short sighted/Like the way murry and co were.Stay on your own sight you have enough to worry about.Then, maybe not if double contracts go against whats their name again?
Tambhoy (original)

I dont get the relevance of the FTT. Its an issue of dual contracts, nothin else. The FTT culd rule in Rangers favour and they'd still be illegally registered. SPL board have said the legal team looking at it haveaid RFC "has a case to answer" Therefore, IMO we should deal with this now and end ths tedious affair. That way we can get back to football rather than talking about FTT etc.

13 Jul 2012 21:20:18
Ed, what about Michael Owen on a pay per play basis? Wealth of experience, proven goalscorer and has played in the biggest arenas. Realize he is injury prone and not in first flush of youth but wee bit of a crowd puller and good to have on bench in CL games {Ed007's Note - Personally I think Owen should retire and concentrate on his horses.}

I think he'd tear spl apart and that confidence would help him do the buisness in europe. Put him, hooper,stokes, sami one on one with keeper. Who'd u fancy btp {Ed007's Note - I'd prefer someone young and hungry, Owen's injury problems are pretty bad.}

Are u havin a laugh, Owen is well passed it. Hooper & Stokes is our best bet but personally i would like to see Jordan Rhodes pair up with Hooper, and maybe sent Stokes out on loan to gain some more experience, remeber Stokes is still young. he has alot 2 learn

13 Jul 2012 18:29:43
Don't listen to the media or even the ?R*ngers? website. They are in the 3rd division and nothing will change that. 25 out of 30 says so. And even if they did try to get this SPL2 up and running, it would never be in place for the start of this season. It's now time to move on and get back to football and forget this whole sorry saga. And by the way, Integrity did win in the end.

BigRab

What if all the teams said to doncaster they will not vote or say no to an spl 2 as the clubs are the share holders of the spl and can throw the idea of it out

Well said BigRab, couldn't have put it better myself.

It is time to move on and concentrate on football as this whole sorry saga is turning out to be worse than an Eastenders omnibus.

Yes. Time to move on, justice is done, apart from dual contracts. had a look on the sevco site, its getting like rangers media.over there.
Yorkiebhoy.

Imo sevco will do a year in the nick also known as SFL DIV 3, a new SPL format will be in place for the following season with 2 divs in which sevco will be voted to SPL 1 in having served their time ........ aw they maybe get a years ban this season from the scottish cup ....... UNLESS the dual contract EBT is found against them, then its a whole new ball game ........ {Ed007's Note - Teams leaving the SFL need to give two years notice.}

Ed 007 , point taken unless all leagues are put under same umbrella, ie lets change the rules for sevco,,,,,,, {Ed007's Note - Our game should have one single, competent, governing body. It is ridiculous that a country of our size has the SFA, SPL and SFL. It is fat cats, free junkets and jobs for the boys. I don't think Sevco will be automatically invited into the SPL1 either. Clubs have shown how they feel about what has gone on so why or even who is going to cause massive changes to our system just to accommodate Sevco, they had their chance to help them and refused.}

Integrity indeed seems to have won the day but my paranoid alter ego smells a rat and part of me fears that the establishment will still manage a salvage operation and come to the aid of their stricken team ,, if not this season then next ......... utmost respect to the so called d*ddy teams all the same their collective actions do give me hope for the future .

I agree that there will be a new structure for Scottish football in the 2013/14 season. Newco will be in D3 for a year then SPL1 as the above poster says. There wont be a need for two years notice as all clubs will be under one governing body

edg

Ed007..... i get your point , lets agree to disagree , i just think they might they might bend a little , you dont , lets hug on it lol {Ed007's Note - They might do mate, all I am saying is why do it in a years time when they could have done it this year?}

Ed007, maybe its polotic, maybe it wasnt the right time, maybe its me being skeptical, i just cant see sevco doing three years in oblivion .......

13 Jul 2012 16:58:51
Monumental day for Scottish football guys n gals! For once financial gain took a back seat and the integrity off our game came first! Not posted for a week or so as im sick of talking about this nonsense! Hopefully we draw a line under this now and look forward to actually supporting our team for the coming season! Have to say I'm very proud off our smaller clubs not being bullied into letting sevco straight into division 1! I will follow my club all over the country in the coming season to show my support! This could be a new Dawn for scottish football! C'mon the hoops!

Byars

Well said mate, couldnt agree more. Lets leave them in the gutter where they belong and move on.

Drew

13 Jul 2012 16:18:45
Now that the newco have been voted into Div 3, I hope our board don't start penny pinching. We have to keep improving the squad, & by the time the newco get into the SPL, I want to see us as big players in the CL, we now have at least 3 years to achieve this.

JillyGreenGiant

Hate to burst your bubble but season after next there will be restructuring and unless " the Rangers" totally implodes ( very likely in my opinion) then they will be invited .
As long as all finances are in order etc

I think we should put the money to the development of our young players , as we know there will be a financial burden to bear(pun not intended)how about a scottish 11 fielding for celtic , I personally would like history to repeat its self .c'mon the hoops .geo

Why would Celtic change a very succesfull transfer policy.

Buy young players cheap and sell on at a healthy profit.

K-Dot.

If their is a re construction of two spls then sevco will be in the bottom spl the other clubs wont allow them to pluck a club from the bottom tear into the top

Maybe you should get use to scottish teams not being big players in the champions league not for the immediate future at least

13 Jul 2012 15:17:13
Ed a French billionaire businessman is interested in buyin over Rangers. What do you know about this? {Ed007's Note - You can not buy a liquidated company.}

It might be Jaques Costeau he's went down a few leagues in his time........

On the ex bears site, someone has named him as Serge Dassault, a French billionaire......
I think they missheard and it was Sarge
charge this bear with Assault! lol Timalloy

Ed the old rangers is not liquidated yet they r still in admin if u need proof go on companys house {Ed007's Note - The liquidators have been appointed, it is just a matter of time. Are you now saying there is 2 Rangers?}

Serge dassault is that french for craig whyte lol

No its noy sarge dassault its sarge default which they are used to on payments

Yes but all tht is left of the oldco is the name cooparate shell and liablities

No theres a rangers and a sevco until such times as the old rangers change there name and then sevco officially take on the rangers name

13 Jul 2012 13:24:26
Seen this on the Rangers page, although why they thought they had to do digging in Celtic accounts now is anyone’s guess. We all know about the Celtic situation in 1994 yet almost 20 years later Rangers fans have decided ON THEIR OWN that its somehow the same. It beggars belief and is laughable.

How many explanations of LIQUIDATION does a group of ra peepul need before the penny arcade drops…I blame the schools.

'So which Celtic company do we play against?


Following last week's posts about Pacific Shelf 595 Ltd, I have done a little more investigation and have come up with the following:

There are 3 main companies in this discussion:

1. Celtic plc - this company was formed in 1897 and was previously known as "The Celtic Football And Athletic Company Limited". Its name changed in 1994 to Celtic plc. It was the football club until a restructuring on 15/2/02 when "aspects of (its) trade" were transferred to Celtic F.C Limited . It continues to own the players (ie pays the transfer fees), Celtic Park and the 1/12 share in the SPL.

However its accounts also states that "Celtic F.C. Limited has the main activity of which is the operation of a professional football club." It admits that the football club IS Celtic F.C Limited.

2. Celtic F.C. Limited - this company was formed in 2001 and was previously HMS (402) Ltd. as mentioned above, it is a professional football club. It receives all the gate money, employs and pays all the wages of the players and other staff. It receives the TV income. It is the company that competes in Europe.

It is also insolvent to the tune of £23 million.

3. The Celtic Football And Athletic Company Limited - This was set up in 1994 and was previously Pacific Shelf 595 Ltd. It is not the football club despite its name. Not much goes through it. It had £80K of turnover in 2010. It was probably set up just to preserve and maintain the old name.

The conclusion is that the football club is Celtic F.C Ltd, a company that was formed in 2001. It won the league in 2002, 2004 and 2006-8, although it seems that the 2002 win was done by 2 separate companies. However the Celtic fans don't have any problem in acknowledging that season's league win.

I don't understand how a company that is not the football club can own players but I don't know the exact regulations and presumably they are not breaking any rules. Perhaps Whyte was looking at a similar arrangement for Rangers and having Rangers Group owning the players, but the club continues to pay their wages? That's a scary thought.

The bottom line is that the company that plays Celtic's games was formed in 2001 and has won the league 5 times. "If you know your history" and all that....

Mrs E {Ed007's Note - That is complete and utter gibberish and shows the level of intelligence and how desperate some Rangers fans have became to flog their dead horse club. Sorry for the cut and paste from my notes Mrs E:

The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Ltd

I think when you have been asked the same question about six times in a few days it’s worth explaining the issue here. If a football club is liquidated it’s finished. Continuity with its history and records ends. This is not the same as a football company changing its name.

Celtic was established as a sporting club at a meeting in a church hall in November 1887, in many ways, no different than a million other football, karate and badminton clubs.

It subsequently registered with the SFA in 1888. In April 1897 it incorporated as a private limited company, registering as The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Ltd at Companies House. It was the 3487 th company to register in Scotland and was given the incorporation number SC003487.

In 1994 the company became a public limited company and changed its name to Celtic PLC but, of course, remained the same company, with the same incorporation number and retained the same registration with the SFA.

You can check our corporate history, from incorporation in 1879, to name change in 1994 to our most recent annual return, dated 31 December 2011 (or relevant year), at Companies House.

On the same day Celtic changed its name to Celtic PLC, Fergus McCann changed the name of an off the shelf company, securing the old trading name ‘The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Ltd’, which is fully owned by Celtic PLC, but is not registered as a football club.

I assume this was to secure our old name for the club and to protect it from potential abuse.

Can change your company name many times you like its the company number that holds everything that the heart of the company when that goes the company dies. i.e. ranger being liquidated


sweeney 007

Well ed i see some someone has clicked unbelievable to your goodself and mrs e original post, we dont have to guess which mob they used to support do we,you'll never ever be able to explain the answer they are basically as thick as pig shi*. keep up the good work.
davy

Listen bhoys the way to beat spawn of satin is simple bet £100 if they can tell you the name of the administrators in 1994 and the liquidators in 1994,trust me the stuttering answers youll get back will live long in the memory.............jim the tim hailhail..

Next they will blame catholic schools or neil lennon....

Ding dong the witch is dead the wicked witch the wicked witch ,ding dong the wicked witch is dead :) Can't get this song out of my head and I kind of like it!

Celtic changed its name and can change it back if it wants, and keep changing it every day if they like ... rangers where liquidated and can not go back or their committing a criminal offence ... do these people not understand CELTIC FC IS A FOOTBALL CLUB THAT CHANGED ITS NAME... RANGERS FC IS A NAME THAT CHANGED ITS CLUB

13 Jul 2012 10:31:07
Good Morning Ed, just a quick visit today, I hope you are recovering well
from your operations. I am coming on better than expected also.
Ed, if Ki goes for reported £7m fee, will Lennon be allowed to spend it all
on the squad? I hope we get Henricksen as he looks a good player, and as he is young, he will have a good sell on fee, Is there any word on what centre half Celtic are looking at?
Looking forward to Champions League.
hail hail Neil T {Ed007's Note - Nice to hear from you Neil and even better to hear you are keeping well mate, I am getting there, slowly. PL will back NL in the transfer market, if he needs the £7 million then it will be invested in the team.}

13 Jul 2012 00:25:40
Now I'm reading that it's a dine deal 7M for Ki to QPR to be announced tommorow! Not sure what to think but always knew he was offski. Not bad bit of bisness tho bhoys IMO!
Cb
{Ed007's Note - QPR and Werder Bremen are fighting it out for Ki's signature CB.}

7 mill and a decent percentage of sell on 15 - 20% and i'll be happy and wish ki all the best
bigD