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15 Sep 2017 12:43:55
Today's Guardian about Scott Sinclair's 2007 solo effort for Plymouth vs Barnet





11 Sep 2017 12:08:03
I see that armed police have been authorised for tomorrow nite.
On the whole, I don't buy the terror argument; I don't even think the policy is primarily about preventing terrorism or catching potential terrorists. I live abroad and can't attend as often as I like, so it doesn't directly effect me, but I am curious how you all view this.


1.) 11 Sep 2017 12:17:26
You got s conspiracy theory you would like to share?

If an attack did happen, regardless of the level of risk and no armed cops where there, how do you think that would play out?

Yeah me too.

After the attack in Paris it has to be done. Regardless of risk.

2.) 11 Sep 2017 12:42:30
Not a conspiracy theory, Magic, but some more or less ideological considerations, which I'll be happy to share below.

3.) 11 Sep 2017 13:28:28
After Paris, Barcelona, Manchester and everywhere else, I mean I know they were talking about making it harder to hire a van, but don't know if they have done anything yet, after everything that has happened they would be better erring on the side of caution.

4.) 11 Sep 2017 13:29:34
Cut to the chase.

5.) 11 Sep 2017 14:18:12
The world has changed and there will be armed police at every major event from here on in. That's just common sense. To not do that and an attack happened, we would get, they don't care about Celtic fans blah blah.

It's just a requirement now in relation to terrorism.

6.) 11 Sep 2017 15:29:41
they are there to protect both sets of fans women and children aswell don't for what happened in manchester it doesn't matter to them isis targeted kids and women at that event.

7.) 11 Sep 2017 15:32:26
Don't agree with it at all. Don't trust the polis wae pepper spray never mind machine guns.

8.) 11 Sep 2017 15:15:14
I agree that in the extremely unlikely circumstanes of an indiscriminate attack on a large crowd, armed policing is the best way to quickly contain the threat, and will undoubtedly help to minimize the number of casualties, along with other emergency personnel. We may wish society to police every large gathering of people in this manner or not, but on this view it makes sense to allocate the resources to the largest gatherings, and the most high profile events, and perhaps especially to those with international dimensions. Maybe France, and Paris, should make us especially cautious given events of the last years.

The examples from London suggest that having armed units nearby or on call can be very effective in the event of even premeditated attacks. But I don’t think this is what is being proposed: rather, I imagine visible patrols of armed officers, and all the regalia of militarized policing. Why, if we can all agree that even the most robust armed police presence will not deter such an attack (although it might conceivably cause the perpetrator to choose a ‘softer’ target) ?

A storm-trooperesque spectacle, it can be argued, fosters certain behaviours in crowds, and by extension in the societies that they form part of. If you accept the idea that this ‘makes us feel safe, ’ as well you might, this is just one way in which an armed police presence can incline you to behave, or think, or feel, in a given way, but it is hardly the only one. Studies correlate much less intrusive surveillance practices with startling increases in self-correction, self-censorship, and broad civic obedience. People are known to curtail their self-expression by considerations of being watched, and by the potential of retribution. (Think of the videotapes being used to single out ‘trouble makers’ in the crowd, for example) .

At a time when the corporatization of football is virtually complete, where FIFA or UEFA or ‘the Board’ tolerate no dissent, no sullying of their brands, all sorts of behaviours are now deemed to be undesirable, and to ‘have no place in football. ’ The anti-British-establishment songs associated with our team are a prime example, as are our ‘illicit’ political banners. Now, does arming the police have a bearing on those sorts of behaviours? On setting off fireworks, or smuggling a flask into the ground? I would suggest it does—not on the supposition that deviant behaviour will meet with pistols at high noon—but because it projects an irresistible view of authority and produces a more deferential citizenry. That, some argue, is the point of an armed police presence.

Until recently, the UK police have sought to govern by consent: the social contract and, failing that, the law itself was thought to be coercive enough to maintain order. More visceral forms of coercion are not needed, the argument goes, and are anyway incompatible with prevailing ideas about freedom and democracy. At a time of austerity, of Brexit, of Independence—all fairly momentous as politics goes—it is not unreasonable to presume that some folks might reject the decisions of authority and, it may be, a new paradigm is required. Crises are often used to usher in unpopular changes. Either way, this move risks normalizing a more directly repressive and coercive version of state authority than we are accustomed to.

9.) 11 Sep 2017 16:50:37
You missed out Islamic terrorism from your list of things that are happening today, or is it not politically correct to say that?

10.) 11 Sep 2017 18:20:16
Could someone tell me how a police person with a machine gun could have stopped the Manchester attack or the London attack?

11.) 11 Sep 2017 18:44:26
Didn't the armed police shoot the guys dead in London and in that place near Barcelona, and that policeman that was stabbed to death in Westminster was unarmed.

12.) 11 Sep 2017 19:01:51
Let me repeat the question for you Aindoh as I don't think you quite understood it the first time.

"How would a police person with a machine gun could have STOPPED the Manchester attack or the London attack? "

I put the key word in capitals for you.

13.) 11 Sep 2017 19:14:30
Ah, I see what you mean, but you agree then police armed with machine guns can stop an attacker or attackers, from killing more innocent, after the initial assault.

14.) 11 Sep 2017 19:52:42
Yes shooting someone dead does stop them doing anything else but I suspect you could stop them without having armed officers with machine guns.

Here is a something to consider, why don't we just change our foreign policy and stop supporting terrorists in the first place and then the attacks wouldn't happen.

15.) 11 Sep 2017 20:22:05
Britain and America are the reason for most of the atrocities, leave other countries and their resources alone, their actions have stirred a hornets nest in the middle east n it's going to take a lot of fixing before anyone is safe.

16.) 11 Sep 2017 20:42:16
It will never be fixed, gone too far😞.

17.) 11 Sep 2017 20:57:40
@gedceltic - I'm sure they said the same in Ireland but that got solved by both sides sitting round a table and working on a plan to move forward.

18.) 12 Sep 2017 13:43:02
with some big names in town they're obviously not taking any chances after what happened with the dortmund team bus recently.



11 Aug 2017 23:02:05
Kolo Tore: couldn't he have been the answer in there, and what's the craic with that?


1.) 11 Aug 2017 23:10:16
BBC reporting that BR says that he is hopeful of bringing in some maybe even before CL game could it be Roberts I wonder?

2.) 12 Aug 2017 12:22:45
Kolo was on a serious wage last year and to be fair to him did his part to get us through to the groups. Made a few errors and stepped back. I read true or not, north of 30k mentioned as his salary last year.

Saw in other thread's he was wanting to play with a full contract or get involved with his national side youth development which is always an honourable part of African players ambitions to give back to their communities to support those that haven't made it yet.

We have 1 fit natural cb, ajer, lustig, nb, kt and if pushed broony as cover.
We won't buy a ready-made cl cb this window.



02 Aug 2017 18:15:22
Another way to look at the tie tonite: We've no been beaten since November 23rd 2016. So long as it stays that way, we'll be grand.

Griff all the way for me too.




14 Jul 2017 23:14:45
To put the hat on backwards for a jiffy, why in the world don't City want to keep hold of Paddy Roberts?

If he was a Celtic player-a Celtic winger-and showed the kind of form he did last year, I'd imagine the so-called elite clubs would be all over him. I am besotted, like the rest of you, and wee Kieran. But what are we missing? Let's say he'd be, as some have said, the best Celtic signing in a decade or more: surely that level of player would be more than tempting for the lot we were unlucky to draw with twice in the last 6 months or so.


1.) 15 Jul 2017 03:23:49
Ok here goes and I'm ready to be slaughtered , probably starting with the ed but you got to call it as you see it or what's the point. The elite club's would not be queuing up for Roberts because he was not even nearly the biggest influence in the team last year as a matter of fact for a large part of it he could not even get into the team past Forrest and when he did I can only remember a couple of games where he made the difference. Sinclair , rogic, and Armstrong were much more influential and made the difference in a lot more game than Roberts did, so the elite clubs as you call them would surely be much more interested in those three players. Yes he is young, yes he can be very exciting to watch, yes he has potential to be a great but I think the hype is disguising just how good he was last season , now I'm off to put on my tin helmet.

2.) 15 Jul 2017 06:36:37
Forrest isn't as bad as people make out and paddy isn't as good as some people tout him . the difference is paddy is still young and can or should improve he certainly finished the season great but was patchy up until then . why don't city want him probably because they have the top epl club beating the joneses spending affliction . money to burn and no time / desire to develop.

3.) 15 Jul 2017 06:39:39
Quite simply City are a better side. Roberts was great for us, but they can go out and buy the ready made article. It's a wonder why City even bother with all those resources though. Not just Roberts, but generally. They must have a huge global network, they've got a massive complex, the staff to go with it and even a stadium for their youth teams that would put a lot of Scotland's to shame. Yet they continue to go out and buy players rather than bring them through. Iheanacho looked to be the one to break that mould, but apparently they're even after selling him. For us, picking up these well scouted, well trained young players from City, Chelsea et. al is a great way to go about business imo.

4.) 15 Jul 2017 08:50:28
City and Chelsea are very similar with the stockpiling of players. Quite simply they can pick up a Oliver Ntcham for 1 million, send him on loan for a few seasons, pay at most a small proportion of his wage and then make a £3.5 million pound profit on him. De Bruyne, Lukaku, Ake, Atsu, Borini, Salah, Bamford, Unal, Mooy, Poso, Lopes, Rakik etc. all suffered this fate and made both clubs a healthy profit.

5.) 15 Jul 2017 08:55:41
City buy talent and paddy will never get near there team they don't have the ti. e to wait on him. But last season there were quite a few games the wee man turned on his own ifbu think about it. get him signed HH.

6.) 17 Jul 2017 20:47:39
Paddy was developing with us, he has undoubted skill and is nowhere near the finished article. In my opinion his contribution to the team improved drastically towards the end of his time with is. Money in England makes paddy represent a 'marquee' signing for us, but hardly a massive investment for English clubs.
If we sign him (and I hope we do) I would expect him to kick on again, however we need a sustained period in Europe to improve our players. Experience at the top level, pressure and quality opposition is what is needed to progress.
For me paddy has shown he has more than enough about him to be a first pick for us right now (and I included European ties here) and the potential to take his game to another level. Then I think he would move on for the foreign riches at a club not fighting relegation down south.




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25 Aug 2017 23:08:50
As a black Celtic fan I was pissed off to read about the darkie on BT Sports. Okay I didn't watch the show.


{Ed007's Note - Nobody used the term 'the darkie'. Behave yourself and stop looking for something to be offended by. It's been explained and if you've got a problem take it up with BT or even the man himself as he's been known as Darkie in sporting circles and the media for years.}



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25 Aug 2017 22:46:28
'I'm the context' or 'in the context' Dafa?

Probably were talking about a different language anyway.




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25 Aug 2017 21:16:37
Fair enough Ken, thanks for explaining. As a former 'Starky' I catch your drift.

I still object to 'darkie' however. Its not like the word doesn't have a very specific usage and history in British English. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as follows: 'darkie. A Black, esp. a Southern U. S. Black (usu. considered patronizing or offensive) ' To use the term, however unwittingly, is to invoke a history of enslavement, segregation, and white supremacism that is anything but over.

But then I never did get why it was 'Packie' Bonner either. Sometimes, a name is just name. The fact that both are very white males makes all the difference to the context, of which I was wholly unaware. But 'Darkie on BT sport said' invites a challenge, surely!




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25 Aug 2017 18:01:12
I thought I heard some banter about Hartson on the matchday chitchat, Ken. Didn't catch his remarks myself, but they're obviously offensive. It wasn't that long ago we were all outraged at the vile treatment of Scott Sinclair after all. Let's keep the language inclusive on here, at least.




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25 Aug 2017 14:07:10
emmm *who* on BT Sports?!?!?!





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21 Sep 2017 15:25:08
I think Dembele was rested for the tie and expect him to start. Since Griff hardly deserves dropping I think we'll go out shooting both barrels. Probably that means Paddy dropping out and Forrest as starting, with Ntcham, Sinclair, and Broony filling out the midfield.

Have we got a back line of Lustig, Boyata, Simunovitch and Tierney all fit? I really could see a back 3 to enable an extra midfielder bombing on, and could see any of Armstrong, McGregor or Rogic all making sense.




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20 Sep 2017 16:12:29
Am I right in thinking that most teams get a boost when the dump a manager, statistically speaking? Or is that something that takes effect on a new appointment? They'll be tough, for sure.




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14 Sep 2017 08:02:34
I used to fairly despise Ronaldo, but the comparison puts wee fook knut in the shade. The man may have exhibited an arrogance on the park, but his generosity to worthy causes was exemplary. Same might be said about many of the German World Cup winners.

Aindoh: I think 'charite' was used in the first English Bibles to translate 'love' (before we came up with that monstrosity, in the 14C) . If ever there was a word misapplied to Nay Mare that's the one. :D.




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13 Sep 2017 19:23:22
The primary sense of 'invade' is 'to enter in a hostile manner, ' and, by extension, 'to intrude upon, infringe, encroach on, violate (property, rights, liberties, etc) . The Latin root is vadere, to go, walk.

That enough pedantry, aindoh?




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13 Sep 2017 11:49:48
Spot on up to the last point. Rodgers did indicate the standard of play: under-12. That's a pretty scathing assessment.