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22 Apr 2016 21:28:00
With all the on who the next manager is i thought I'd change it up a little lol. What's everyone's thoughts on signing jermaine Defoe in the summer if Sunderland get relegated he might just be affordable for our board plus I think him and griffiths in a 442 or one just behind the other would be really good for us especially in Europe, wether we would get him or not what is everyone's thoughts on him signing for us.

RonnieDelicious

1.) 22 Apr 2016 22:48:28
I think he'd still be out our price range. I think he's a great player, scores wherever he goes. Him and Griffiths would be a bit similar though and they'd never pass to anyone else! Saying that, with brown, johansen and bitton in midfield I might not pass to them either!


2.) 23 Apr 2016 02:51:52
Griffiths is and never will be good enough for us in Europe people need to accept this.

He's an upgrade on Stokes where he can be relied on against the dross domestically but can't be trusted when we step up a level.


3.) 23 Apr 2016 09:00:26
I would have defoe in a minute.


4.) 23 Apr 2016 20:20:29
Aye and I would keep Defoe a minute.


 

 

18 Apr 2016 21:39:28
I know his name is thrown around a lot when it comes to the Celtic job but what is everyone's serious thoughts on larsson? Me personally I would like to see him giving it however he is inexperienced and is still learning, wether he would take it under current circumstances is another matter hypothetically if he would take would you want him?

RonnieDelicious

{Ed007's Note - Why would you like to see Larsson get the job, can you give me one reason why he should be even considered?}


1.) 18 Apr 2016 21:51:43
No chance should Larsson be given the job! He's has done absolutely nothing as a manager so far. hopefully in time that changes and he could be considered further down the line. but now is the time for a manager with experience, not handing it over to another rookie.


2.) 18 Apr 2016 21:54:31
Well one because he knows what it means to the fans and would give 100% as he did as a player, 2 he is very well respected at the top level of the game and is known as being very intelligent when it comes to football, I already stated in my OP that he is inexperienced but he fits the bill for the cheaper option while also being a good motivator for players because let's face it if your at Celtic and don't give your all for someone like larsson then who are you going to do it for. I know this team is full of mediocre players but if they were all giving 100% percent I bet this season would be going a lot better than it is.

{Ed007's Note - I read as far as 'he knows what it means to the fans' and decided not to harm my brain by reading the rest of it.}


3.) 18 Apr 2016 21:58:07
I don't get the Larsson talk. As well as which, a few people on here have said no to Roy Keane and Owen Coyle because they said no when asked before - well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but so did Henrik. And for what it's worth, Keane and Coyle are way more experienced than Larsson, and would (in my eyes) be better equipped for the job. Not that I'm set on either of them personally. Although, as a United fan I LOVE/ D Keane and think his management experiences are often underplayed - or more accurately, people who know little about it see his last few jobs and assume he's a poor manager.

This talk of Brendan Rodgers too? What's that all about? I'd rather Derek McInnes than Rodgers or Moyes - and I'm dead serious about that.

{Ed007's Note - You're not allowed to mention Larsson turning the job down.}


4.) 18 Apr 2016 22:17:56
Giving it to L arsonn would be as bad as giving it to another Ronnie.


5.) 18 Apr 2016 22:25:42
Well we have a problem RD was fourth or Fifth choice and RD only got it after he was supposed to be number two!

RD will be replaced but at 300k renummeration who will take it?

Lets not forget fat sally was earning more than TWICE! RD was before pay cuts (y)

{Ed007's Note - Just changing manager isn't going to fix what's broken and as things stand a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.}


6.) 18 Apr 2016 22:30:04
Is that because you can't bear the fact your wrong ed? I never once mentioned the fact larsson turned down the job a few years ago while still under contract at his boyhood club. He has more experience now than he did back then and if you get off your high horse and read my above post you would see why I think he should be giving the job. You seem to know it all ed so why don't you tell me who should get the job? And please be realistic.

{Ed007's Note - No it's because you're first reason was just another way of saying 'Celtic minded' and I was trying to be nice.
I could name 100 managers who are respected and I'd like to think anyone working at CFC is intelligent when it comes to football, in fact it's a kind of prerequisite I'd say.
You have no idea how Larsson is as a coach or at motivating players so that's just you making up stuff. What formation does he play, what system and style of football does he play? Do you even know his managerial record?

Falkenberg: P. 30 W. 9 D. 6 L.15.

Helsingborgs: P.38 W.13 D.7 L.17.

Helsingborgs are currently sitting THIRTEENTH in the 16 team Allsvenskan. We brought in the top coach in Norway and it hasn't worked out and you want to bring in someone who's struggling in the Swedish league? Any suggestions why all that respect he has at the top end of the game and football intelligence isn't helping Helsingborgs?
Maybe he's not giving it 100% or doesn't know what it means to the Helsingborgs fans, maybe his system and tactics don't work and he doesn't know how to change them, maybe the players don't respect him, maybe he can't get his message across, maybe he doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
If any player at CFC doesn't respect the manager then they shouldn't be at CFC, playing for the support and the jersey should be enough for anyone regardless of why the manager is. I can just see the reaction if a player came out and said he wasn't really trying under RD but he would if it was Larsson that was manager.
Well I think that about covers it - now where did that high horse get to?}


7.) 18 Apr 2016 22:35:51
Care to share why you think that aindoh? Larsson is in another league compared to Ronny? Ronny delia was known in Norway and that was about it larsson is known world wide, has respect and contacts Ronny could only dream of.


8.) 18 Apr 2016 22:38:59
People keep talking of experienced managers, like who? Peter Houston? We will not get the type of manager most desire, they are way out of our budget and would no doubt laugh at the suggestion pl and Jp will be signing players for them.


9.) 18 Apr 2016 22:46:40
Henrik Larssson doesn't seem the person to take risks and the Celtic job these days is too big, too soon for him in my opinion - apart from the fact he has no more experience than the previous two.
I posted earlier that Roy Keane would be ideal because of his no - nonsense approach, reputation and experience and he would possibly attract better players [budget permitting].
The fact that he had mixed success in England is irrelevant as there have been plenty Celtic managers who struggled in England - including big Jock - who achieved very successful stints at Celtic.


10.) 18 Apr 2016 22:50:18
Yes Jamie he was that and he's also a example why just because you where a legend as a player doesn't mean it's going to be the same as a manager it's a totally different game fans forget pretty quickly when they don't like what they see on the park!


11.) 18 Apr 2016 22:53:07
So what are you trying to say?, sally was getting paid 800 grand a year so if you want a better manager than sally you have to pay more, wakey wakey, i'll let you into something maybe you didn't realise, sally was getting paid toooootoooo much, you don't have to pay over the odds to get a good manager, you just have to get a good manager.


12.) 18 Apr 2016 23:26:47
i meant in managerial experience larsonn and ronnie would not be that much different, just because Henrik was one of the best players ever doesn't mean he would be good as a manager,

{Ed007's Note - Hypothetically, Aindoh, if Larsson had came in 2 years ago and had the exact same record as RD do you think we'd have been having the same discussions and debates we've had since RD came in?}


13.) 18 Apr 2016 22:29:43
Is there two two ronnies?


14.) 18 Apr 2016 23:49:24
Aindoh you have to pay the going rate for a manager

People are talking about Moyes and Rodgers I asked Ed out of curiosity how much Rodgers was on at Liverpool and it was something like 4 million a, year Moyes 6 million

You ever hear the saying" you pay peanuts you get. "?

Circa 300k does not get you much in fact Keane ridiculed it and so did the managers association that he asked to double check it!


15.) 18 Apr 2016 23:55:17
thats a hypothetical question ED. and any time i hear a polititician on tv, they will not answer hypothetical questions and i will concur, whatever that means.

{Ed007's Note - It's OK, you did answer. :=o


16.) 19 Apr 2016 00:02:26
Delphic mentioned Bielsa a lot that would be a good appointment but probably too pricey for us. Michael O'Neil or Age Hariede would be within budget but Age has took over Denmark now.

{Ed007's Note - Why would we appoint a manager that can't speak a word of English?}


17.) 19 Apr 2016 00:12:54
Ronnie, I'd have Peter Houston before I'd have Larsson.


18.) 19 Apr 2016 00:30:32
Henrik will not put his hero status with the fans under threat to take on the poison chalice at this time, he'd be on a hiding to nothing under this board's financial constraints much as the Pieman was in Sevco .


19.) 19 Apr 2016 00:55:14
I have very little optimism that whoever we appoint will make much of difference . Remember P Lawwell will most likely appoint the new manager . People have accused R D of being a "Yes" man . Surely to God P L is not stupid enough to appoint a manager who is going to be uncooperative with him . P L will have him well sussed out at Interview& pre interview stage that P L and new manager can work together . That's why we will be lucky to have even the slightest improvement .

If u were talking to PL, he would say R D was very unlucky, he had the team playing well enough to create numerous chances compared to them . Miss a complete open goal . P L would argue that the players at his disposal were good enough to win
So he wouldn't accept any blame personnaly.


20.) 19 Apr 2016 01:05:10
The only problem with that assertion Old Bhoy (that Lawwell would point to chances etc and claim we were unfortunate) is that it only addresses the final result. Had we won it wouldn't have changed my thoughts on the game, in particular that first half. We were shameful. They were hungrier, fitter and quite simply wanted it more.

{Ed007's Note - I had to listen to a drunk mate babble on for an hour about us having 33 shots at goal and they didn't have a shot at our goal from the 28th minute until Halliday's equaliser but there is no excuse for that first half display.}


21.) 19 Apr 2016 05:17:44
Chances missed, shots at goal, unfortunate, all only cloud the real issues. The possession was 60-40 in Rangers favour mainly due to:
a. We seemed clueless how to work together in pressing a team with the ball (coaching/practice) .
b. We seemed clueless how to pass the ball properly when we did have possession, so kept losing it (coaching/practice) .
These are two basic principles of modern football we seem to be incapable of doing.
How many hospital passes did we play?
How often did we punt the ball up the park to a lone striker, hoping?
Why did so many of our players appear to have cramp, are they not fit?
Simply, we were outplayed by a team from a lower division who did all the things we should have been doing far better than we did, and deserved to lose.
So what do we do, accept it and learn, or make excuses? The board's choice really, and if they go with the latter, then they should simply go away and don't come back! We sing, "to play football the Glasgow Celtic way". Is that it?
The Champions League: Do you really think I'd want us to be in that, getting stuffed 4, 5, 6-0? We finished bottom of our Europa League group, remember!
The entire coaching staff should be sacked immediately, along with a quite few of the players as they are simply not good enough. We had a gilt edged opportunity 4 years ago and wasted it.
We don't need a big name coach or players, we need a 5 to 10 year plan to change the face of not only Celtic FC, but Scottish football. To do that we need coaches, lots of them, and good footballing technical coaches at that. Don't waste money on mediocre players, get coaches.
I hear we have around 80 kids, but we need around 800, and if out of that we get 1% or 2%, then that's a good return (do the maths) . If we sell a few, so what! Build, progress, build, progress, getting better all the time. Get a style of play that's effective, and stick to it, but continually be prepared to analyse and adapt.
Then maybe we can go into the Champions League and compete, and maybe even dream!

{Ed001's Note - you would destroy the chances of any making it if you have 800 kids. If anything, 80 is too many. What you need is to work with a small group of players and a large number of coaches, like they do in Germany and Spain.}


 

 

10 Apr 2016 21:22:30
Has anyone heard McGees excuse for blanking Ronny? He said that he had gone to shake his hand before the game and got blanked (even tho Ronny didn't see him and he accepted that) so he did the same after the game and then said he holds his hands up he misread the situation but yet he shook JKs hand? I call BS, I think he got caught being a sore loser and now trying to make himself look better.

RonnieDelicious

 

 

06 Apr 2016 21:51:41
Hey guys heard a lot of people calling for Fasan to be giving a game, Can I ask why (and I'm being serious here) as I haven't seen anything he's done to merit being giving a game nevermind being first choice, like I said never seen him play so don't know if he is good or not but he's never played for the first team so i'm a little confused as to why some people think he should play.

RonnieDelicious

1.) 06 Apr 2016 22:46:06
Because Ronny isn't playing him. If he was, they'd be contrary and use that as a reason to complain about him.


2.) 06 Apr 2016 22:46:27
It's beyond me why Fasan should be considered for a start. He has no experience goalkeeping for a first team.


3.) 06 Apr 2016 22:52:29
Not the time of season to be changing your goalkeeper, especially the way things are poised, we need an experienced keeper for these last few games.


4.) 06 Apr 2016 23:28:41
Think the goalkeeper is the least of our problems. Biton Brown and Johansen have gone stale, not an ounce of creativity between the 3 of them. More worrying is Efe getting a shout for the run in alongside Boyota. Can't understand why we don't play Lustig at centre half, played him there a few times a couple of seasons back and thought he done well. i'm an ABBA fan Anyone But Boyota & Ambrose. Mama Mia don't fancy Taking a chance on them or we could be sending out an SOS


5.) 07 Apr 2016 12:20:54
I have seen him play, The lad is fantastic! In the EDL league / development games he was the stand out when being gubbed!

Last season I witnessed him save a penalty whilst initially diving in the opposite direction only for him to re-position himself dive the other way and still save it!

I suppose I have championed the lad, even in NL tenure for the record I am a CG fan, an ex GK myself and believe that Fasan is the best natural young keeper I have clapped my eyes on he is the most agile, best shot stopper and fabulous penalty saver!

His one weakness in his game is his game is his kicking if he improves that he will be in the Italian set up within 5 Years IMO, IMO he is the best GK @ CP.


6.) 07 Apr 2016 15:16:14
I sincerely doubt that. Italy are notoriously loyal (in terms of players as they get older) and that's doubly so for goalkeepers. Currently they have a core group of goalkeepers that have years ahead of them and any youngster breaking into that group will (almost certainly) be Gianluigi Donnarumma.


7.) 07 Apr 2016 16:12:02
I don't TPP Buffon is 38, Sirigu? 32 and been overturned @ PSG

I Have a good friend who is D O Youth @ a football club and know for a fact how well Fasan regarded in England after performances!

I never said Italy No.1 I said involved in the first three.


8.) 07 Apr 2016 16:33:26
I know what you said. I wasn't talking about him becoming no. 1, I don't think he'll be involved in the first three either.

Even discounting Buffon, Sirigu, Marchetti and Perin are all in there. Sirigu will leave PSG if he can't get his spot back from Trapp - but even if not, he'll still be there and there abouts in terms of Italy. As I said, in the event of a youngster breaking that up, it'll be Donnarumma.

You know for a fact how well a DOY rates him in England? Fingers crossed that's who's picking the Italy team then.


9.) 07 Apr 2016 16:53:18
No I said I know a DOY who knows how well regarded Fasan is

So your suggesting a 17 yr old will be propelled ahead of a 23 yr old with more experience?

Have you ever seen Fasan play?

In the arguments propelled above of how poor we have been above you would not want a Celtic keeper involved @ that high level?


10.) 07 Apr 2016 20:01:41
The fact he's 23 and not even a number two yet should give you a clue as to where he is. I've seen him play a handful of games - enough to see he is a capable goalkeeper. I'm taking nothing away from him, but you'd you'd think we were talking about Courtois or De Gea (both of whom where playing for their first teams at 18) . Like I say, he's 23 and not even a number two. Courtois is only 23 now!

And the 17 year old in question has played over 20 competitive games for AC Milan - which is roughly 20 times more than Fasan, so I don't know where this "more experience" chat is coming from.

I would LOVE Fasan to be a world class talent, no.1 (2, 3) for Italy - but wanting something to be, doesn't make it the reality.


11.) 07 Apr 2016 21:32:41
I never compared him to De Gea or Courtois

Your lad you highlight made the team against the back drop of a Lopez injury and a Milan team in descent but would now accept he would not be ousted

I have a high opinion of Fasan and stick by what I say that he would feature in 5 years.


12.) 07 Apr 2016 22:28:39
Jamiebhoy 7 Five years is along time away . He may not play first team football for 2/ 3 years and still be in and around the Italien squad in 5 years .


 

 

10 Feb 2016 09:59:27
Why are people so obsessed with the dons, The reason they can do what their doing on their budget is because the do not have to win anything for the manager to keep his job (like most of the league) So DM can do what he wants ie try out players formations etc etc as he doesn't have to worry about 40,000 fans calling for his sacking because he lost 2 important games. Last season Aberdeen finished without a trophy yet people think they are even close to the level celtic are at, If mcinnes wins the league he will go down as one of aberdeens best managers, but ronny wins 2 out of a possible 4 cups and everyone wants him sacked. let's face it the bottom line is success depends on him keeping his job, We can win every comp by defending for 90mins and scoring once and people would still not be happy, Do you want excellent football where you fall at the final hurdle (arsenal comes to mind) and end the season trophy less like the dons? . My point is celtic have a way and that is stick by the team, Do any of you think delia is not frustrated by the system he has found himself working under (JP, PL, JC, JK) but he knows the honour of managing celtic and he's willing to try his best, Delia has good ideas we have just got to force the board to go with them and stop selling him down the river if we back ronny and not the board they cannot sack him to keep us happy (as someone suggested may happen) RANT OVER! .

RonnieDelicious

1.) 10 Feb 2016 11:04:48
If RD is so hard done by, hung out to flap in the wind by those above him, why not leave with his integrity and dignity intact. He could then tell the world the truth about the constraints he had to work under.
Call me an old cynic, but when he goes, and he will go, he will be another one happy to take his severance with the gagging fee included.


2.) 10 Feb 2016 11:52:06
Ronnie delicious,
I don't think fans are so concerned about the sheep, the point is how far we have gone backwards.


3.) 10 Feb 2016 12:08:49
Ronny knew the constraints he would be working under when he took the job, that's why he can't really complain, I assume that when he was interviewed he must have told the board that he was happy with these constraints, and that he would be able to bring success to the club working with those conditions. Nobody put a gun to his head and marched him to the managers office.
As much as I dislike the board, I don't think that Ronny should hide behind it to cover his own failings.
We should be able to play with a bit of style in Scotland, we are bigger than any other club here, it shouldn't be beyond a manager to produce a winning team and an entertaining one.


4.) 10 Feb 2016 12:42:26
Gerry,

''As much as I dislike the board, I don't think that Ronny should hide behind it to cover his own failings. ''

How has he failed? He has met every objective the board has set him all be it in a terribly boring way but he has done as required. I am on the fence when it comes to ronny, As I don't get to see behind the scenes it remains to be seen whether the repetitive mistakes we are making are his faults or those of his assistants. I do agree he should be doing it in a more entertaining way and I will happily admit I have been bored to death all season but he has not failed by any means and that was my point, Do you want to be arsenal (play fantastic win nothing) or grind out results the old fashioned way we can't all be Barcelona although in the league we are in, we pretty much are. We do not spend an awful lot on players, maybe 10mil at most a season. If and when RD is sacked who could really come in and work with what he has to? Why do you think roy keane walked out after 1 day of talking to PL? There is really no one who could come in (or be willing to) work under what ronny has to with the recruitment processes etc and still have an entertaining all conquering team. IMO.


5.) 10 Feb 2016 12:46:45
Ronnie delicious of course we will win the league in Scotland. We have the largest squad, the most money best facilities. We have signed 20 players since Ronnie arrived that is more than the rest of the teams in the league put together. We have spent about £15 mill. Aberdeen have spent £1 mill. So it's a no competition league. We need to look at what happens when we come up against teams who have similar spend to us like Warsaw and we know what happened there. So don't start telling me what a great job Ronnie is doing. He has all the top players in The SPL at his disposal. We are buying the best players from our opponents making them weaker. Any manager in the SPL could win with those advantages.


6.) 10 Feb 2016 12:47:16
There are always ebbs and flows in football but I should point out that we have not gone as backwards as some people think.

If you actually look at Lennon's record in first two seasons (he actually had advantage as he was allowed to spend big in his first full season and had the end of a season to prepare) then he did not do as well as Deila is currently doing.

Lennon had 1 2nd place finish and a 1st place finish when Rangers imploded. He failed to qualify for Europe in his first season and only got to Europa group stage in his 2nd season when Sion got kicked out for fielding ineligible player. He won 1 Scottish cup and got beat in a League cup final against Kilmarnock.

If Deila does the double this season he will have 1 more league title, 1 more League Cup and 1 last 32 in Europa League, compared to Lennon.


7.) 10 Feb 2016 12:50:26
I actually like and agree with OP. I also accept the other comments about him knowing the constraints.
I also can't blame him wanting to manage the biggest club in Scotland.


8.) 10 Feb 2016 12:57:33
DBB,

Have we really gone backwards tho? i'm in my 20's been a celtic man all my life so since early 2000's. And I can honestly say that since Larsson left it has been going south ever since, Can you really say the GS, NL TM teams have been a real improvement or a joy to watch, Although lennon/ strachan had their moments overall it was a pretty average team and with pretty average performances. So I do see it as going backwards but rather not going forward.


9.) 10 Feb 2016 12:58:40
Johnny Mac, remind me what happened against Warsaw. Did they not cheat? And did we not progress to the next round?


10.) 10 Feb 2016 13:09:16
Johnny,

I 100% agree any manager should be able to win the league with celtic (as ronny has done easily I must say) And when it comes to Europe as rabmac pointed out lennons team got beat from sion (WHo the F*&K are sion? ) and Strachan certainly had his failings. So don't go trying to tell me ronny has been the one that made celtic the joke it is today, Last season celtic were excellent domestically and not entirely terrible in Europe so has he really done that bad? Are the players letting him down with lack of effort? Look at jose at Chelsea he had about 100x more money to spend and a squad celtic could only dream of yet when his players stopped giving it their all they were nearly in the bottom 3 so don't try and tell me that because we have more money we should be able to win without trying, The players need to want to win for the club not the manager, Anyway Chelsea sacked jose replaced him with Gus and yes he steadied the ship but there still in 13th? So a change in manager isn't always the answer, better recruitment is imo.


11.) 10 Feb 2016 13:35:56
I couldn't care less about Aberdeen - I've got enough on my plate with Celtic! I never gage anything we do on how other clubs are performing, whether they're in this league or praying to the devil to get promotion! You set your own standards in life, and I'm judging us on everything over the whole season! Europe was hell, we didn't learn from last year, it was worse, period! Ronny wants the players to improve every day he specifically said, well they're not improving, the team isn't improving and the management team aren't improving! We can't pass the ball, don't speak to each other, aren't aggressive enough, at set plays or general play! We don't look fitter either! I'd love to say something positive about the team, but I'd be making up lies!


12.) 10 Feb 2016 13:40:09
RonnieDelicious, I think he has failed, in Neil Lennon's last season we were playing in the Champions league, 2 years later we no longer play in the Champions league and we can't win a match in the competition below it.
We won the league by 29 points in Lennon's last season, last season the gap fell to 17 points, this season we will be happy to win it by any margin, if this trend continues then even if we win it this season, we won't next season.
If these are the targets he has been set, then I think that the targets are wrong, with our size and financial advantages, we should be doing better at least domestically.
As I said before, if Ronny had said at his interview that in 2 years time we would no longer be a Champions league team, and that we would be struggling to win the league, do you think that he would have been given the job?


13.) 10 Feb 2016 14:02:12
Even a lot of the elderly fans that sit near me are totally exasperated - they don't shout and moan, but they just shake their head and say that they're total imposters! Any manager worth his salt would come out and say that they are ALL letting the fans down, and that we should be beating teams like Malmo and Molde. If it was once or even twice fine, but we are continuously losing to teams on tiny wage bills compared to us! It's not just Deila's fault - the whole world knows that, but he should still be doing far better. I still don't think it's dawned on him how much of a brass neck the whole thing has become, because whatever way you try and butter it up he is complicit!


14.) 10 Feb 2016 14:12:18
Gerryc, I should point out that when you are comparing two things then you need to compare like for like but you are not doing that and you were also being very selective in what facts you presented.

As I have already pointed out Deila has done better than Lennon in his first two years in charge. I also pointed out that Lennon had advantages over Deila:

1. He was allowed to spend the vast majority of the McGeady money.
2. He knew the club well as he had played for us and had been working in the background before taking over.
3. He had nearly half a season in charge before he started his first full season.

The only thing Lennon had harder was the fact Rangers were in the league. However, this only really applied to his first season as they imploded under McCoist in his second season and as we know they went into liquidation.

One interesting thing to remember is that there were loads of fans calling for Lennon's head back then and he could have been a goner if he had not turned around a 3-0 half time score against Kilmarnock and finished 3-3.


15.) 10 Feb 2016 14:29:36
Quick question Rab Mac nothing to do with NL. If we went to Killie tomoz and went 3-0 down in first half would you be confident of Ronny getting them together and making a fightback?


16.) 10 Feb 2016 14:41:12
Bankie bhoy you must be a complete idiot to think Warsaw cheated us it was a genuine error on their part but the guy played about 2minutes at the end of the second leg. Yes they were found guilty and punished but Ronny got a right humping no matter what the history book says. Can you remember too much joy leaving murrayfield?


17.) 10 Feb 2016 14:49:04
I am not obsessed by Aberdeen, or any other potential opponent or rival, but there seems to be a group of supporters that are obsessed with defending or glossing over the serious decline in our club.
The current manager is not totally to blame, but he is not as untouchable as some will have us believe and has made several mistakes in tactics, line-ups and personnel choices over and over.
You just have to look at the current squad to see the lack of real quality in key areas and an absence of craft, skill and creativity associated with all the better Celtic teams over the decades.


18.) 10 Feb 2016 14:50:34
It is impossible for me to answer that question as there are so many unknown variables. However, what I can say is that I would most likely be blaming the players just as much as the manager if we went 3-0 down to Kilmarnock.


19.) 10 Feb 2016 15:05:13
There is not a decline in our club, unless you are comparing it to Martin O'Oneil's tenure.


20.) 10 Feb 2016 15:08:48
Jim72, Warsaw cheated. End of. We progressed. End of. If you do not comprehend the meaning of cheating I will spell it out. You can let me know. Or just look up imperfectly registered players. You will find that under sevco! Good to see you showing your true colours. Lol.


21.) 10 Feb 2016 16:25:20
RabMac, I don't accept that I am being selective with facts.
At the end of Lennon's first season in charge regardless of trophies won, the team showed a marked improvement from the previous season, granted we lost the league in the run in, but when you look at how far we finished behind Rangers the previous season, it was still an improvement on the previous season, at least we had started to move forward.
Since Ronny has been in charge we are getting worse, he can't get us into the Champions league, we are now struggling to win the league, and the football on show is pretty average at best.
As regards the advantages Lennon had, he may have spent more money, but we were coming from a long way back, Ronny can't even keep us at the same level as when he took over, and he hasn't had the competition Lennon had.
If Ronny was any good, you'd see him linked with other top jobs, the fact he isn't tells me that most of the rest of football doesn't rate him.


22.) 10 Feb 2016 16:42:44
JJ2,

''You just have to look at the current squad to see the lack of real quality in key areas and an absence of craft, skill and creativity associated with all the better Celtic teams over the decades''


I 100% agree but as many here would admit, Ronny does not decide who is signed he may have input but the final say is with PL hence why the squad is so bad.

I would like to state I in no way think ronny is faultless but you have to say a huge portion of the blame does not lie at his door. He will only be judged based on performances of players he did not sign or probably even want, That's why I think it is a bit unfair when most on here lay the blame on ronny. Yes his tactics have been poor at times but as he has said himself WE ARE CELTIC we should not have to adapt how we play to beat anyone domestically, It has only been in Europe where he has looked like a tactical clown but how much experience did he have of CL or EL as a player or manager? Should that have stopped him applying for the job? Of course not. Should that have stopped PL from hiring him? Absolutely but he did anyway so why not back the manager since the board don't want to. Ronny is nothing but PL's Scape goat IMHO.


23.) 10 Feb 2016 17:08:03
A politicians answer Rab, simple question mate, would u be confident Ronny could turn it round.


24.) 10 Feb 2016 18:01:27
It is not avoiding answering the question because like I said there are too many unknowns to be able to answer it.


25.) 10 Feb 2016 18:08:33
@Gerryc - You may not accept it but that does not change the fact that you are being selective. For example you choose to give the points difference instead of the total points. One could assume that this was because you want to paint a certain picture.

I should point out that by choosing to focus on the points difference is a case of choosing the wrong stat because Celtic have no control over how well another team does, apart from when we play them and if memory serves me correct, the season in question we pumped them 4 times out of 4. The right stat to choose would have been total points.

However, you choose not to use this stat because it clearly shows that we have not declined and it also would have shown how much Aberdeen have improved.


26.) 10 Feb 2016 18:47:21
RabMac, if you think that we haven't declined under Ronny, then you are perfectly entitled to that opinion.
I can only give my opinions on what I watch, and I think we are poorer than we were a couple of years ago, if you are enjoying the football we are playing then I'm pleased for you.


27.) 10 Feb 2016 18:55:41
Bankie boy, yes they cheated by fielding an ineligible player at the end of the game when they were 3-0 up. If you want to use that to support your argument fine. The point was when we come up against teams with similar budgets we get beaten buy you hang onto the cheating argument and bury your head in the sand.


28.) 10 Feb 2016 19:17:55
OK no probs mate. Question avoided.


29.) 10 Feb 2016 19:59:28
Bankie boy did Malmo cheat, did Fernabache cheat, did Maribor cheat, did Ajax cheat. The answer is there. When we come up against teams outside Scotland with a bigger budget than SPL teams we get exposed. It's not just Ronnie as the entire recruitment and financial model is tosh but these players are not performing under Ronnie. Will they perform better under anyone else? We shall see but if not then we will continue this decline and maybe it's too far gone to arrest without a major clear out?


30.) 10 Feb 2016 21:52:57
The facts are Ronny has taken the club backwards, around this time last season Celtic were 3 points clear of Aberdeen with a game in hand . Now we have the same number of points. As Abeerdeen& also have a game in hand . Last season we finished 17 points ahead of the Sheep.
From around this time last season R D had the majority of fans giving him loud support and encouraging the team in every game . Will he have that this season?


31.) 11 Feb 2016 16:47:09
I have no doubt that RD can turn this around, but the fans have to start supporting the team no matter what. Do you all think its just Deila who gets nervous with all the negative noise?
Deila said the youtube clip, that when all you try is not to do mistakes, you'll end up thinking about nothing else and you cannot perform propperly.
And this is what i think happened in the CL. The team looked in really good shape and played some decent football before the Malmø games, but they fell thrue in those games. Why?

Rosenborg has been Norways best team by a mile for the last two decades, but fell appart like a house of cards when they finally lost the league for rhe first time in 13! years in a row! Why? They had the best team, the best coaches and the best facilities, but still they couldn't keep it up.
Now you have Molde, Strømsgodset, Stabæk and Odd fighting for the and the norwegian league is much much better, hence better results in Europe and the national team is also getting better every day.


32.) 11 Feb 2016 18:56:13
I would hope that our fans would cast aside their reservation about R D and show their love for Celtic by getting behind all the players in all the games both home and away for the rest of the season .
After all we are all Celtic supporters arn't we .


 

 

 

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11 Apr 2016 18:51:18
i agree with the above poster I think he has done a lot of good for the club business wise however, I think we need someone with good business sense but also a good understanding of the footballing side of things. If Lawell leaves hopefully park gets the boot and Ronny gets a bigger say in transfer dealings.

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11 Apr 2016 18:49:02
why do we insist on buying 12 goal a season (in the spfl lmao) strikers, Kane Hemmings from Dundee would be a much better buy IMO. As for maggenis not really seen enough of him to comment on it, personally I would like McLean from Aberdeen if they would sell to us, I thought he did very well on his Scotland debut and could very well be the replacement for brown that we need what's everyone's thoughts on him? .

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10 Apr 2016 15:10:40
Would be great if they did it and bankrolled them but I agree not much chance of that happening with Peter Lawell around.

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08 Apr 2016 19:07:53
No matter what the stats say, when moyes is under pressure he cracks. Look at both his jobs since he left Everton. Do I think he could handle the constant media bombardment and then their praise of the Rangers and their saviour the bread man no I don't but that's just my opinion. I think Ronny is way behind some at the club in terms of being sacked.

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23 Apr 2016 20:30:41
id go Roberts left rogic middle and Johansen right with biton and Armstrong in the holding, what's Ronny got to lose in dropping brown.

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22 Apr 2016 21:34:25
I've got to say I'm not surprised ronnies going but I really liked him who knows if things might of being different had we recruited well in the 2 windows only those inside know who signed who ( I didn't believe Ronnie when he took responsibility for it) but it wasn't to be, perhaps he wasn't good enough. IMO I think it is undoubtable that Ronnie gave his all for the club and stepped down when he realised that it wasn't a good fit for both parties, so with that being said I think it is only fair we back him and our club into the 5in a row.

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21 Apr 2016 15:30:16
Aindoh the pressure from fans like yourself does not allow for giving youngsters a chance. They have to be allowed to play without fear but that doesn't happen at Celtic one mistake and a youngsters hoops career can be over with those faithful supporters baying for blood.

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21 Apr 2016 15:13:54
champions league last 16? The players signed in his reign were miles better than those under Ronny and even strachan IMO. I'm not saying I want him back but if it was him or moyes I would rather have Lennon. What has moyes done to merit the job? He managed in the bpl that is the only good thing on his cv.

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21 Apr 2016 11:36:27
Thanks for the statistic bestybhoy as I said in the OP don't know much about him but thought he looked alright.

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