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01 Jan 2017 17:20:16
Happy new year to ED and all the other contributors on here ( including our resident/ swaying loyalty sevconians that post here) , your families, dogs, cats and any other beings held hostage in your abodes under the pretence of being pets/ loved ones

Gotta say i was impressed with sevco yesterday, best i've seen em play, i think we allowed em to play as well as they did however as our defence was pretty poor but fair play for em stepping up a bit against the big club, they played like it was a final and almost got a result through our sloppyness. That said it could easily have been and perhaps should have been 5-2 to us.

Think we missed Rogic yesterday he would have ripped em to shreds, there was loads of space between midfield and defence that mcgregor didn't step into and armstrong only did in 2nd half.

Dembele had a cracker after his goal what a player we have on our hands there, He showed he has a bit of everything in his locker yesterday (apart from missing a sitter) . Almost scored goal of the season too.

Overall benn a good start to the season. Embarassment to the red imps (although i suspect there were a few bets on by DD and PL too build up our funds on that one) my only real blot on the report card.

I loved a comment from Brendan the other day about the accies game where he was talking about players getting into passing lanes, i've noticed it a few times and it really is great to see our players being aware of these sorts of things, long may it continue.

Evinguu

1.) 01 Jan 2017 23:52:12
All the best to you too.

I can't confess to having seen that much of them, but I thought it would have been a great game for the neutral, so fair play 'gers in that respect. Anything they can do we can do better though, and we only really turned up after half an hour, which was still more than enough. And I felt that was them at their best mind.

Sinclair and Dembele could have got a hat trick each, another day. I think Broony (again) deserves a bit more credit than he's been given, possibly MOTM for me, but I'm biased.

No real grumbles from me (worth causing a stir about anyway) . It's more about the attitude of the club as a whole, that's all I'll add to that.


2.) 02 Jan 2017 01:14:47
Must admit was surprised at how well The Rangers played, or appeared to play, the gulf in the difference between the teams became more obvious the longer the game went on, like a cat playing with a mouse, teasing, taunting, before delivering the blow that emphasises the differences between the two adversaries.


3.) 02 Jan 2017 10:05:27
I think we were a bit wary of them in the first 30, letting them play and allowing Barry McKay to get a few runs which built his confidence up. For what I've seen of Sevco this season and going with the comments from their support, their first 30 was their best football of the season.

After that though it was a game of shootie in and there should have never been any doubt about the score. This mob cannot compete with us, we are a million miles ahead of them and counting, the gap is becoming a chasm. If things had continued then Brendan would simply have changed formation to suit as we did at Motherwell.

If we strengthen in January, we should have the league dusted early to let Brendan tinker with the team to get the perfect squad. CL qualification is now our biggest goal of the season. Without it, we will level out to where we are now. Dominating Scottish football is incredible but the CL is where the experience and glamour ties are.


 

 

10 Dec 2016 01:46:56
Theres no denying the vast change from the last few years in this squad.

It is mostly down to the structure the manager has brought in and its one they players have bought into.

Is this just down to it being a big name manager? one the players automatically respected more?

Were the ideals that Deila was trying to imliment in th e squad so different? for me there were 3 main reasons.

1. Ronny not having as clear an approach on the training ground that the players could understand.
2. A greater sense of the season being a foregone conclusion.
3. John Collins.

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1.) 10 Dec 2016 14:09:38
I have no doubt that RD was hampered and hindered because of his inexperience and naivety by senior players and maybe even his 'appointed' coaching staff.
His theory and philosophy seemed ideal, but not all players were either willing or able to take it onto the pitch.
In BR we have a much stronger, forceful character who has experience and nous to back it up and put ideas and strategies into practice - before and during games.
RD was often caught out during games, where he and his management team had no plan B or tactical resolve.


2.) 10 Dec 2016 15:49:39
I think the big difference between Rodgers and Deila is that Rodgers has a tactical knowledge that Ronny didn't have.
It always looked to me with Ronny that somehow if you were fitter than the opposition then everything else would take care of itself, the problem with that is that when we ran into teams that were as fit as we were, Ronny didn't know what to do.
Fitness is a given in the modern game, every team is fit.
Ronny's problem was that he could only win games against domestic opposition who we could beat whatever the tactics, whenever we faced a team who stood up to us, or employed tactics different to what we expected, he didn't have a clue what to do.
I think we won the league these last 2 years despite Ronny, and not because of him, we were on a downward spiral, that's why Sevco were so confident going into this season.
Thankfully we now have a manager who seems to know what he's doing.


3.) 10 Dec 2016 19:39:15
Despite R D trying his best to get the results we all want, R D is regarded by a small number as a total failure . Brendan is implementing many of R D ideas .
Some people are hard to please, I read one person thinking we won back to back
Spls despite R D . That is plain stupid and it shows a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the role of manager and keeping the squad together and working together for a common goal .
Imagine for example how Commons would behave with a completely weak manager.


4.) 10 Dec 2016 22:35:21
Old Bhoy, Ronny was a failure as a manager, he left us in a far poorer state than when he started.
If he was any use as a manager I'm sure that he would have found a job with a decent European team. It seems like none of the top European clubs seemed impressed with the job he did here, they surely can't all be wrong.


 

 

10 Dec 2016 01:46:56
Theres no denying the vast change from the last few years in this squad.

It is mostly down to the structure the manager has brought in and its one they players have bought into.

Is this just down to it being a big name manager? one the players automatically respected more?

Were the ideals that Deila was trying to imliment in th e squad so different? for me there were 3 main reasons.

1. Ronny not having as clear an approach on the training ground that the players could understand.
2. A greater sense of the season being a foregone conclusion.
3. John Collins.

Evinguu

1.) 10 Dec 2016 07:51:15
You're bang on there with the automatic respect bit. I don't think it's right, but it's a huge factor.


2.) 10 Dec 2016 08:32:04
Br is Desmonds pick which gives him more respect / power . he will be allowed to do his job as he sees fit without the interference / hinderence / Influence of others (collins. Park lawell) . the job was too big a step up imo at that stage in his career for ronnie right/ correct ideas / philosophy but just not enough experience to implement them at a club our size?


3.) 10 Dec 2016 09:19:11
think the ronnie bashing on this forum isn't right imo, he spoke the same way as rodgers on the game but little brats in our squad undermined him at every chance they got. he brought tierney thru, bought jozo, eric, brought us 2 titles, a cup, a good run in europe, but people will still look at his legacy as the manager that lost a semi to rangers. might be in the minority but ill never bash a celtic boss, even barnes, good luck ronnie wherever your travels take you.


4.) 10 Dec 2016 09:45:27
It's not Rd bashing saying the current manager and team are far better than his.

I actually liked Rd but it was bordering pitty. He was well out of his depth but in fairness to him he didn't seem to have a great deal of support.
John Collins as a no 2 had me concerned from the start especially after his problems at hibs.
Player revolt didn't help, commons in particular.

What he is responsible for is, playing players injured.
Playing several players out of position, Armstrong an example.
He didn't stand up for himself against the board or players.
He didn't get his message across in terms of tactics.
Never qualified for CL.

Personally I'm much happier with the current set up, there seems to be a style and structure to what we are aiming for.

HH.


5.) 10 Dec 2016 09:50:33
wasnt talking about this post tbh Tick, just in general pal.


6.) 10 Dec 2016 10:12:23
Maybe Ronnies just no a good manager the football was dyer he's a decent guy but something wasn't right and we're now seeing how a top class manager works night and day for me.


7.) 10 Dec 2016 10:27:26
He's a coach not a manager but that's something we should have identified before we brought him in.

Bhoywonder not having a dig mate I totally get your point it's harsh ripping him when he did actually do some good. It's just the current set up is night and day but I agree that I wish him all the best for the future.

HH.


8.) 10 Dec 2016 11:04:19
Wish you would all stop tslking about Ronnie.


9.) 10 Dec 2016 15:29:09
Hopefully when we are celebrating 10 in a row (for me the ultimate goal) we will appreciate Ronnie's two titles and place in history.
Everybody has their opinions on the guy, but he's left the club. I wish him well and hope he's part of the 10th title celebration party.


10.) 10 Dec 2016 15:46:14
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08 Dec 2016 19:10:47
since I've not posted much in a while i may as well go in apologies to all who can be bothered reading.

Of all the things that have made me happy so far this season it was Brendans interview the other night where he was talking about how the players know that they have to look after themselves first and put their bodies into the right place before they can stake a claim to go onto compete at the level they should/ want to. This 1 point for me has been one of the main reasons why i think Scottish football has struggled so much recently. We do not have enough full time professional players who are good athletes when compared to their counterparts in other nations. Being the best athlete you can be in any professional sport should be just as high on your list of priorities as being technically sound. For me in modern team sports you can fill a skill gap (to a degree) by being the best athlete you can be, again something i have always found lacking in Scottish players especially and lot of other pro footballers that ply their trade in Scotland.

As a result of this increase in athleticism (and clearer tactical instruction) i am seeing an increase in players on pitch intelligence. This was something I always thought scottish teams lacked as usually the on pitch intelligence is limited to the elite players and clubs who have always tried to play more expansive games than the rest. However this season so far has shown me that this intelligence can be raised as a direct result the athleticism of individuals. A lot of this comes from the better coaching and more analytical approach but shows that it is possible to improve if the will is there within the individuals. Hopefully the rest of our game can get on board with a similar approach, it seems hearts could be about to and i really hope it pays off for them even though i dislike them profusely, but to make us better we need our opposition to get better.

The last 2 away games we played in the CL have in my opinion been 2 of the best away performances a Celtic team has put in away from home in Europe for years. The thinking was clear that the team were not going into these games to try and not get beat and hopefully nick something on the break. This attitude for me is something that hounds Scottish teams more than any others and almost every previous manager of a Scottish team in Europe has said this sort of thing at some point is the gameplan, this is a negative mindset to send a team out with and has usually resulted in poor results when used more often than not (barca away is a prime example) , it gets used a lot in the league when teams come to us, they usually end up taking a hammering. In Europe especially though i have felt this mindset has more often than not been the case and mixed with the old ways of coaching, the lack of athleticism by a lot of pros in this country and this mindset of keep it tight and maybe nick something is a big big reason why we have seen so many failures by teams on the bigger stages. I hope with Brendan this is now a thing of the past even after he is gone. Yes we will still take some doings but overall our opponents will have been in a game win lose or draw regardless of who the opponent is.

In terms of the current team we have a few areas to improve still, especially at the elite level. The biggest for me is Right Back and Goalie. I love Lustig but i just don't think he has it at the elite level, he backs off players too much and although has good pace we need someone who is a bit more explosive pace and as for Gordon well. i refer you all to ed007's thoughts as mines are the same, he cannot deal with his near post!

Evinguu

1.) 08 Dec 2016 20:08:07
Great post Evinguu, got to agree with all of that.


2.) 08 Dec 2016 20:33:53
For the first time since Mon days we have some real quality throughout the team and even on the bench.

For me our gk is the week link and it's not just his near post his command of the area is non existent.
It's pointless building the defence with exciting players like Tierney, sviatchenko and sumo with him between the sticks.

Would also like another dm along side broony. Broony is playing the best football of his career but he needs someone in there helping him out especially in European games.

HH.


3.) 08 Dec 2016 21:17:16
Cheers Bhampot. Positivity is always appreciated.

Tick67. Without going on an Ed style rant 😀 he is just pretty poor in a few areas for what we need, no doubting he is a decent keeper and think it was sutton who said the other night he is a good number 1 but just not for Celtic.

I think we can replace a few folk with better quality, however if the curve some of our players are on continues further then there's no reason to suggest that we don't already have it in our squad and coming through the youth, Extra cover in that area would be good as although i have liked Biton he isn't mobile/ intelligent/ brave enough for our current style of play and one who I think will be getting replaced in January/ summer.


4.) 08 Dec 2016 22:19:45
Reflecting on Tuesday night's game one of my main memories was the speed of the players, plus fast accurate passing, amazing to watch . Funny thing Celtic matched them every inch of the way . Despite Manchester's super turbo start over the first quarter Celtic matched it, both teams scored and both teams could have added a goal or two.
Up to this season I think we haven't seen Celtic play with such speed and accurate passing since maybe the Lions . B R talks of need to improve and of course that is right but if we see noticeable improvement we will have some team.


 

 

14 Dec 2015 12:04:05
We all want a more exciting product on the park. In football most excitement comes when either a) a goal is scored b) players/managers play handbags c) iffy/contentious decisions d) we witness some downright good skills/tricks/play and a few more I can’t be bothered listing. But I would say those are some of the main ones.

In Scotland we have a terrible product on the pitch at times (in fact more often than not) Usually we have low scoring encounters between teams that are playing to not lose instead of playing to win (there are few exceptions to this rule and multiple reasons why I understand the need to play this way) . This mentality of playing to not lose quite often is one reason why I feel our teams fail in Europe so regularly but this isn’t the point I intended to make (I do like tangents) .

One thing that has increased the spectacle in Rugby is the bonus point system. I see no reason why this cannot be introduced to Football too. Could argue the cut off but I would say 3 goals is a fair cut-off for earning one, win lose or draw.

In my humble opinion this would encourage a more attacking style of play to develop in Scotland putting the onus back onto the technical ability required to achieve the bonus point on a more regular basis. It could lead to more open free flowing games and ultimately entertainment for the punters which is what we want when we go to a game. Too often I am left feeling shorthanded entertainment wise when going to games in Scotland.

This said it could also have the opposite effect in certain situations. E. g. a team is 2-0 down at halftime against their closest rivals in the league, do they open up more to try and get back into the game? Running the risk of it not working and their opponents opening up 4 points in one game? Then revert to park the bus? I think that’s a risk we should take as it would have probably have been a decent first half with both teams going at each other and at least 1 team would be continuing to press for the extra goal instead of them playing out the 2nd half and taking what they have. This is just one possible scenario and there could be many more negative ones but even then I’m not so sure it’s any different to what we have now.

I feel it would open up more possibilities overall and encourage a more progressive style of football in more teams than what we see at present. Also think it could see more entertaining battIes up and down the league and possibly allow more teams to possibly maintain title challenges longer. I do however doubt it would change much for us at Celtic as teams would still be coming to play us to not lose more often than not.

Still think it’s something that could be made to work. They have offered the bonus points in the League cup why not shake up the league a bit too without the rushed through reconstructions etc they will end up doing. Wouldn’t be hard to try it out!

Evinguu

1.) 14 Dec 2015 12:59:55
Some good ideas there evinguu. I would welcome something like the bonus point system. It defos would encourage attacking football.


2.) 15 Dec 2015 17:03:32
Suggested this 20 years ago and still think it would work- 3 pts for a win, 1pt for a score draw and nothing for a no score draw. Everybody would know they need a goal to earn anything before a ball is kicked and for the odd great game that ends scoreless, that's just tough. It's not a drastic change but enough to bring teams out.


 

 

 

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Ohh I can see this going down well with some of the anonymous ones ( rich from me considering I am mostly anonymous on this site these days) so I shall start the calls of derision now. what about freedom of speech Ed? you should change your name to DasFuhrer007 :)

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Haha was it not some sort of dating site. Undeaddating.com or something? That piece of scrubland has had some plans attached to it in recent years!

Anyways I cannot possibly see how anything that link explains would make them unwelcome amongst an element of our support :) {Ed007's Note - I can't remember what it was but the fact they considered it was enough... Or was that another prank they fell for?}

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Mr Ed the mole I wonder who the Guinness smart erse was indeed? I do have to admit though they would make a good sponsor for us!

Im all for a little bit of extra revenue for the club so its an I don't mind from me. so long as they don't take stupid ideas from the likes of the Nashville Predators and call it the gaylord entertainment arena like theirs used to be called then I would be happy enough. {Ed007's Note - Remember they wanted to paint Ibrox pink??? I always thought a CFC top with a Guinness harp on it would look amazing. The April Fool's joke prank was brought up the other week and my friend sent me this link, I would bet that some sections of our support would have a problem with it happening:

www.goo.gl/VbQD3Y

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12 Dec 2016 20:34:31
i think folk who hit disagree should be forced to write why they disagree! you have to be logged in nowadays to do it so why not. Get the convo going rather than hit disagree, there's sometimes you come on here and its 0's all the way down then all of a sudden every single post has 1 disagree. oh crap I've given myself away there haven't i?

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10 Dec 2016 20:37:41
It is a good question.

I agree with Passing Time, free flowing attacking (but winning) football. I have also taken it as if you score 7 we will score 8 unless you are Barcelona and we are trying to park the bus 😀

I don't think its related to playing any particular formation. I would say that even though Strachan had his team playing winning football and brought a lot of success it wasn't the celtic way for me as i didn't find it very entertaining (yes there were moments) , but overall i wouldn't have said we were playing any form of progressive football like we are trying to do now and did in 67. Under MON i would also say he was not trying to play the celtic way but with the quality of his squad its what we got (sometimes, as sometimes it was a little turgid) . Again i'm not saying it was bad in these eras where we had very good success. but i just prefer the approach at the moment and if we fail after giving it a right good go and trying to take the game to an opponent it makes any defeat a bit easier to take and that is the Celtic way as long as our team has tried its best to impose a fast style of attacking football regardless of the outcome i'm a happy bhoy.

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10 Dec 2016 01:35:55
Michael_Dundee_7

Whilst i totally agree with your sentiment about that rubbish having absolutely nothing to do with football and having no place in a football stadium, I think the what about the children line is a bit much.

Children only grow up to be easily led and drawn towards this unsavoury behaviour if they are brought up to not think for themselves and given a clear distinction over right and wrong (a cliche I know) . Yes they can rebel at somepoint but your child is going to grow up and at somepoint will see murderers, wars and rape on the TV and even potentially see horrors infront of their own eyes outwith your control. (we can be an awful species a lot of the time) but because he/ she is being exposed to it doesn't mean they are going to go out and do it at the first or every opportunity. If people are brought up to glorify people whom in principle have valid political and social goals but have some completely abhorrent ways (and yes the reactions were provoked over a long long time, still doesn't make it right) of trying to get what they want without pointing that bit out you are going to end up with a wee fud

The fuds that generally go in for this constant tripe (from who i have met) are brought up in an environment where this is acceptable and normalised behaviour, they do not know when enough is enough or they are such wee fuds that they just don't care and do it purely for the reaction of others, like trolling really.

Try having a convo with the people that consistently drag this stuff up at matches and you will see that they just don't care what you are saying and have no real idea what the ideals are that they purport to support. Bring your kid up with the facts, don't hide the unsavoury from them because you are worried it will appeal, let them learn why these people do it, let them know what can happen to people that take it too far and i'm pretty certain you will end up with a more knowledgeable person as a result. i'm not saying to get the rebs on and purposefully expose a 6 year old to it all, they are still too innocent to grasp it all. But it hearing it through the telly or at a stadium etc is hardly going to turn them into a wee fud unless you as a parent allow it to. For example I've listened to death metal my whole life and my son is Autistic (he picks up the tiniest of nuances in everything around him and without close watching will run and run with the oddest of things if allowed) but he doesn't go around saying he is going to rip someones head off because he heard it in a song, he still knows that yes you can think it if angered but don't bloody say it or do it 😀 and he has less of these right normal social filters that most of us have naturally.

Yes point out where these fuds are being fuds, but don't hide your kid from the world because some of it is unsavoury, let them see it (in doses where possible, but sometimes crap is going to be flung infront of your face and teach them what's the right and wrong way to go about stating your beliefs and expressing yourself in the correct and appropriate places.

I hope I've made sense here, easy to think out but not to type without sounding like a sanctimonious turd ( which i know i actually am) 😀.

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10 Dec 2016 01:35:55
Michael_Dundee_7

Whilst i totally agree with your sentiment about that rubbish having absolutely nothing to do with football and having no place in a football stadium, I think the what about the children line is a bit much.

Children only grow up to be easily led and drawn towards this unsavoury behaviour if they are brought up to not think for themselves and given a clear distinction over right and wrong (a cliche I know) . Yes they can rebel at somepoint but your child is going to grow up and at somepoint will see murderers, wars and rape on the TV and even potentially see horrors infront of their own eyes outwith your control. (we can be an awful species a lot of the time) but because he/ she is being exposed to it doesn't mean they are going to go out and do it at the first or every opportunity. If people are brought up to glorify people whom in principle have valid political and social goals but have some completely abhorrent ways (and yes the reactions were provoked over a long long time, still doesn't make it right) of trying to get what they want without pointing that bit out you are going to end up with a wee fud

The fuds that generally go in for this constant tripe (from who i have met) are brought up in an environment where this is acceptable and normalised behaviour, they do not know when enough is enough or they are such wee fuds that they just don't care and do it purely for the reaction of others, like trolling really.

Try having a convo with the people that consistently drag this stuff up at matches and you will see that they just don't care what you are saying and have no real idea what the ideals are that they purport to support. Bring your kid up with the facts, don't hide the unsavoury from them because you are worried it will appeal, let them learn why these people do it, let them know what can happen to people that take it too far and i'm pretty certain you will end up with a more knowledgeable person as a result. i'm not saying to get the rebs on and purposefully expose a 6 year old to it all, they are still too innocent to grasp it all. But it hearing it through the telly or at a stadium etc is hardly going to turn them into a wee fud unless you as a parent allow it to. For example I've listened to death metal my whole life and my son is Autistic (he picks up the tiniest of nuances in everything around him and without close watching will run and run with the oddest of things if allowed) but he doesn't go around saying he is going to rip someones head off because he heard it in a song, he still knows that yes you can think it if angered but don't bloody say it or do it 😀 and he has less of these right normal social filters that most of us have naturally.

Yes point out where these fuds are being fuds, but don't hide your kid from the world because some of it is unsavoury, let them see it (in doses where possible, but sometimes crap is going to be flung infront of your face and teach them what's the right and wrong way to go about stating your beliefs and expressing yourself in the correct and appropriate places.

I hope I've made sense here, easy to think out but not to type without sounding like a sanctimonious turd ( which i know i actually am) 😀.

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09 Dec 2016 15:05:06
I think we should get the best out of roberts while we have him, but as season wears on and we keep playing like we are there will probably be plenty of time to mix the team up as the season wears on if we pretty much wrap the league up by february.

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