19 Oct 2017 21:01:10
Before anybody tells me (Ed) I know that our two pumpings have been dished out by teams with the potential to win the Champions League (at least one of them) to which we can add our biggest humiliation in my memory from Barcelona. Aye Brendan can send out a team to attack as is the case every week in the SPL. But here's my question-can he set up a team to defend away from home and avoid a pumping or is that his weak spot? Would Lennon, Strachan or O''Neil have lost the three games I've mentioned by the same margin? I think not. ☘️.

1.) 19 Oct 2017
19 Oct 2017 21:23:19
What was that score in Barcelona?,6-1,who was the manager again?,

2.) 19 Oct 2017
19 Oct 2017 21:54:11
Aindoh am I missing something or did you fail o'level maths? ☘️.

3.) 19 Oct 2017
19 Oct 2017 22:08:28
Jfp we got pumped 6-1 off Barcelona when Lennon was there. and do u remember in Bratislava with Strachan! I do agree that Brendan has to adapt our game to playing these higher level teams! I'm not saying just 10 men behind the ball but the space we give these teams is unbelievable and it will continue to happen if the manager won't alter his tactics in the CL!

4.) 19 Oct 2017
19 Oct 2017 22:55:54
the only way we can beat compete with these teams is 11 men behind the ball and we would need to replace half of last nights team with 5/ 6 who can defend better - and IF its tight with 10 minutes to go then throw on 3 strikers!

all of the above not the Celtic way - so sadly we need to line up our regular best team and get beat 3/ 5-0 as the other teams are simply better than our best team.

5.) 19 Oct 2017
19 Oct 2017 22:57:35
No my maths is better than my memory, do you not remember who the manager was either?

6.) 19 Oct 2017
19 Oct 2017 23:35:17
Digi nailed it for me. It's not the celtics ethos to defend. Brendan doesn't expect to win but he expects to compete and unfortunate they aren't at the same level to compete hence the pumping. Playing the standard domestic attack formation ( albeit with different individual instructions) for me isn't a good idea against a potential winner of the comp. playing 2 wingers who are very attack minded coupled with another disjointed back 4 is not the correct decision. We could play that match another 50 times with same team out against same team and not win once.

7.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 00:17:47
I agree with Digibanger too people want us to go out and play the Celtic Way - Unless we lose then we should have parked the bus. To further develop the way we play we have to try and do it against the best. Test our way against thiers and see where it comes up short, then try to improve on it. If as we look likely to do make the Europa League it will be interesting to see how we do, playing quality European opposition but not coming up against the 5 or 6 'Superteams' will be a good indication of where we really are in the grand scheme of things.

Apart from our results against the absolute cream, we have an excellent record in Europe this season.

8.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 07:27:48
same old crap on here . we need to defend against these teams,10 men behind the ball, hit on the break, wit a load of bull youse will be the same guys start moaning when we get pumped playing that way . i for one hate celtic losing but i hate celtic losing more when just defend for full game and get horsed id rather get beaten trying to at keast attempt to play.

9.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 07:30:33
I want Celtic to go out and play the Celtic way, not being able to find a teammate with a pass, is not the Celtic way.

10.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 07:26:20
The celtic way each and every time, as usual another manager has been let down by that penny-pinching board. We are a traditional attacking team, why change our dna? 🍀🍀🍀.

11.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 07:56:34
To me there ate times when we need to go more defensive. My reason for saying this is because against teams like psg Munich Barcelona or Madrid we will be pushed back and not see a lot of the ball anyway.
What we need to do is be better when we do win it back.
Do the basics right.
Pass to your team mate
Support your forward
Don't put the ball directly out of play.
Get your shots on target.

12.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 07:57:12
Before Brendan in Europe we would always have the worse passing and possession ratios in the competition last year in the group stages brown had the best pass ratio in the cl this year ntcham has completed 90% of his but people are on here saying he's crap and can't pass personally I think I would rather get beat trying than getting beat parking the bus.

13.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 07:59:38
The Celtic way can work but not with the defence we have. We need better defenders, at least 2.

14.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 08:01:26
We're first to criticise when teams from the SPL come to us and park the bus. It looks to me when we play bigger European teams that the team is over awed by the opponents. Passing is rushed with mistakes being made, far to much space and time is given and there is no confidence in our ability to be the dangerous, attacking team we can be. It's so disappointing to see such a normally well oiled team collapse because they are playing better opposition. Parking the bus and inviting these teams on even more would be so wrong in my opinion. It's time for the team to start believing in themselves more.

15.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 08:47:03
People really forget the difference in budgets between us and the likes of bayern and Barcelona. They go out and spend 10's of millions on players, some of which spend most of the time on their bench. A prime example is Renato Sanches at Bayern, he's a hell of a player that Bayern paid a large amount for yet couldn't get near the first team. Alcacer at Barcelona is another example. We've got to accept that these teams are a lot stronger than us and we need to spend most of our time defending. If we went out attacking against bayern and left only boyata and Lustig back then I reckon we would be discussing a much larger defeat than 3-0. Their attacking players are simply too good. On another note, I've been saying for the past couple of seasons that Gordon needs to be replaced, I think that would be my priority and give you Ajer a run out.

{Ed001's Note - have you ever actually watched Renato Sanches play club football? Only I doubt you would be saying one hell of a player if you did! One hell of an overweight, unable to pass to a teammate, ponderous, deer caught in the headlights player maybe....}

16.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 09:25:12
Playing defencive and on the counter does not have to be parking the bus. Look at Lennon against Barca. Not one fan here would swap that for trying to play open and attacking football.

17.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 10:27:54
Ntcham completed 90% of his passes, was that against Bayern?, but it just show you how meaningless statistics like that are, its the importance of and in what part of the field the 10%, he didn't complete, that is more telling, was the 90% safe, short, sideways kind of pass, was the 10% in crucial parts of the field, putting the team under unessecary pressure or ruining good attacking opportunities?

18.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 11:13:34
I saw us getting beaten 3-0 in Porto and it could have been more and the same result in Lyon under MON and we have lost other games against Rosenborg, Anderlecht, Shakhtar and Benfica by similar scores - - plus defeats to Qarabag, Artmedia, Basel, Aalborg, Malmo, Karagandy and Croatia Zagreb all away from home in the last 16 yrs.
this does not include defeats to europes top teams and recent hamme rings by PSG and Barcelona.
The point is, we have absolutely no pedigree away from home in Europe and our strength has always been home ties and CL nights at Celtic Park to achieve any success.
I feel the disappointment like all of us when we get turned over easily and although these results are often a foregone conclusion for most, I still feel Celtic belong in this competition and if only they could lose the fear, nerves and cut out the schoolboy errors, we can improve.
However, we still really need to invest in better players in key positions and stop going into this tournament with one hand tied behind our back just to save a bob or two - while the cash earned by the players just sits in the tin.

19.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 11:43:40
Our defence is weak even if we have all current first choices.

To know that and do nothing in the summer sees us playing on Wednesday that couldn't keep weans oot a Close.

Rogers fecked up big time here. No excuses. We now have Simo out further and no one, not one defender who is class to come in. In fact we don't even have competent. That situation going into the CL group stage is shocking management.

They had better be working on it now because another window where we flap about like beggers in a charity shop looking for a Hilton suit needs to be over.

We don't have a fortune but we have made enough these last two years to buy players that don't give you nightmares thinking about them getting a game.

20.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 11:41:30
Ed, look at Renato pre bayern Munich for benfica and portugal. Bayern ruined him, he's lost confidence.

{Ed001's Note - I saw him playing before then and never understood the hype.}