04 Dec 2016 11:54:51
I really can't understand the constant Craig Gordon bashing with some of our support!

Every goal we concede somehow seems to be Craigs fault, its ridiculous! The fist goal yesterday, i'm hearing he could have done better! but who expected the boy Moult to do that! why can't people just accept it was a brilliant goal which no goalkeeper could do anything about, the other 2 goals he was badly exposed by the defence!

Yes, he took a dip in form but since being dropped by Brendan Rodgers I think Craig Gordon has been outstanding! Get off his back!

On the plus side great game to watch yesterday, team showed plenty of guts and character to wine that game. If Tom Rogic can add a bit of consistency to his game we could have a hell of a player there!

{Ed007's Note - For the first goal Gordon would have made it a lot more difficult if he had stayed on his line, so we can't question why was he standing so far off his line? He was standing in no man's land ball watching and expecting Toure to get it when he should have been thinking what happens if Toure doesn't get it, it was very poor positioning and rank rotten decision making by Gordon in reading the game.
The second goal? There's nothing to say except he was beaten at his near post for the umpteenth time AND he got a very weak hand to it again for the umpteenth time.
It's the same mistakes all the time and he simply doesn't seem to be learning from them, every team we play know he is weak at his near post and will try and expose him there.}

1.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 13:53:41
Didn't see game yesterday Ed007 but think criticism based on recent performances is a tad harsh. He's been excellent apart from booting the odd player in the heid and in my opinion is a first class shot stopper. All keepers have howlers at times. On the other hand Toure for me is Brendan's one failed experiment and a bomb scare and would be better going down the road in January 🍀.

{Ed007's Note - Gordon is excellent at reactionary saves but when he needs to think about things it usually goes horribly wrong, and Rodgers looks for a lot more than a shot stopper in his GK. Watch his positioning for the first goal yesterday.



I still wouldn't be at all surprised to see Rodgers try and bring in a new No.1 before the CL qualifiers next year.}

2.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 14:26:53
Defeinately too far off line for first goal as you said Ed Bond only slack I'd cut him is that goal came that early in the game he hardly had time to get on it 😀 Agreed also beat at near post which shouldn't happen but guy took it very well and would still stop short of calling it a howler. Think he's improved with ball as his feet as well. I still rate him Ed but Toure proves it doesn't matter how could you WERE we've all got a shelf life and sell by date. On a positive note some strike from Rogic on his other foot after 90 minutes as well and Armstrong is starting to look a player. Cheers Ed.

{Ed007's Note - (yes)

3.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 15:57:41
I hate to criticise any player, especially Gordan who has been in quite good form recently . Gordon must have been day dreaming for the first goal . His positioning was so bad that it was very easy for Moult to lob him .
The reason those goals are so scarce is that keepers don't make it so easy for the striker.

4.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 15:59:59
To even think about blaming Gordon for 1st goal is ludiscrous. It was a quality goal end of.
I with you martin some people look for a mistake when we lose a goal and its "Gordon should a done this or that" etc.
Just for the record anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knows NO goalie stands on his line when the other team is attacking esp when the defense is exposed, they are taught to come out to narrow angles and make it difficult for the striker to score.
If the keeper stood on his line the striker could walk the ball up and put it where he pleases.
Yet again if u watching the EPL u would a saw 20m goalies fumble easy shots over the weekend and lose goals, or nowhere at a cross, or parry straight out only for striker to finish.
All these keepers will be classed better than Gordon yet they make more mistakes than him.
Did u see the Liverpool goalie ed lol.

5.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 18:50:29
I have said it many times that he's hopeless at the near post and crosses into the box. Good shot stopper but hopefully a good keeper is brought in this summer.

6.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 18:49:27
Ed I was being kind to Gordon for the 2nd, god help me if I hadn't with his fan club in town haha keeper getting beaten at his near post is criminal u learn that from a young age. Rayman, as for those with football knowledge what should have happened in that situation was Gordon should have been able to see the play develop so whether his position was 18 yards or half way between the edge of the box n the goal line he could still see it unfold, once he sees the ball being played over the top, as Ed says he should be thinking what needed done if Toure gets beaten, that's calledtoure beaten by the flight of the ball, criminal for a defender too, I should know I was one, then Gordon at this point either comes right out n ensures he takes the ball. If he thinks he can't then he needs to drop back n allow the defender to try n recover. The defender should then be trying to nudge the striker wide n getting in a better position, this all the while puts us in a better position defensively as our defender is tight or at least close enough to the striker n should have at least pushed the striker to where he was at an angle on any attempted shot, with this Gordon is then in a better position to do what he is meant to do, stop goals from being scored as the player has to hit on an angle with less of a target to aim for making it harder to score. Then both would have done their part in stopping a goal. However by being where he was he left a massive target n while the boy took it well it was a pretty simple finish, Skippy scored a few like that when he played 4 us.
And as for staying on his line, if u want to be literal withe things, I never said he had to be on his line n stay there, what is this now the Scott Allan world of football where players can't move from the 1 spot because they're playing whatever position, so they have to stay in that one spot, u really r having a laugh. Gordon should have been no more than about 3 to 5 yards off his line n if u watch it again he was peddling back n was lobbed while just outside his penalty box, meaning he was too far out to start, poor goalkeeping.
Funny if it had been last season folk like u would have been using these type of mistakes to have a go at Rd for playing him or whatever. N efe Ambrose is fine to be criticised n abused but that's ok? despite the fact that up until the juventus game under Lennon, he had been quality n part of a strong defence with Kelvin Wilson n gordon can't have made too many less mistakes than efe but it's ok it's only efe.
I give my opinion on players, but I don't ever slag them personally or shout any of the crap I've heard, by some not all, on here but mostly at parkhead n the crap people talk about 1 of our own players, despite his failings, is just bang out of order, the moaning n constant sighs etc if he did anything untoward, as Ed mentioned the booing of johansen as well but some of us come out n tell the game as it happened n what mistakes were made n by who n that's supposedly wrong. While being critical not once did I say drop him, or he's garbage, I will back him while he plays for us but I do feel we need a better keeper n i ain't the only 1 to think that. Toure was poor for both goals n should have done way better, but for me that problem will be solved as big erik n simo r n should be our first choice centre backs, toure is really just backup in my opinion.

{Ed007's Note - I got as far as this in Ray's post and gave up.

'NO goalie stands on his line when the other team is attacking'

7.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 19:19:35
for me it was Toure's fault pure and simple he didn't judge the flight of the ball not for the fist time seems it's not the best part of his game and he got turned by Moult then Moult scored a sweet volley if he had let the ball bounce Gordon may have had a chance and the fact that he wasn't on his line is probably due to the fact that Rodgers wants a sweeper keeper and Gordon has been trying to add that to his game.

{Ed007's Note - Toure mistimed the header and let Moult in, so any time a striker is through on goal we shouldn't expect the GK to do anything? Well we've got the right man for the job there.
You can also say Gordon didn't judge the flight of the ball and that's why he was so far off his line, he was in two minds whether to come for it and was caught out.
And if Rodgers wants him to play as a sweeper-keeper he failed to do that too so he was at fault there, either way he was out of position and along with Toure's mistimed jump it cost us a goal. The 'keeper should be reading the game to get himself into the best position to save the ball, Gordon didn't do that, him expecting Toure to get his head to it is no excuse.
I can't understand how anyone with working eyes can't see if Gordon was further back Moult couldn't have attempted to lob him, he would have needed to volley it and chances are he would probably have skelped it over or wide or both.
Craig Gordon must be the only 'keeper in world football that is never responsible or at fault for any goals his team concedes, thankfully the Celtic manager sees it differently.}

8.) 04 Dec 2016
04 Dec 2016 22:17:54
Well I know you dislike Gordon so there is no point arguing with you 007 but for me, the keepers positioning is inconsequential when the ball should not have gotten past Toure making him the guilty party so i suppose we shall have to agree to disagree.

{Ed007's Note - So what exactly was Gordon doing, nobody defending him can tell me that. Watch it again and Gordon has a clear view of the ball, Toure and Moult, why was he not in a better position? Do you disagree that he would have had a better chance of stopping it or forcing Moult to crack a volley if he had been 2 or 3 steps nearer his goal?
Watch the replay of it from behind the Motherwell goal and tell me why he isn't in a better position, from the replay you can see Gordon knows Toure isn't getting that and he does nothing but crouch down and wobble his legs. It actually makes it look even worse when you see it from that angle. Once the ball is over Toure's head it's down to Gordon to do something - that's a GK's job and just like Toure messed up his positioning so did Gordon, 2 or 3 steps back the way and Moult can't lob him, it's really that straightforward.
My dislike of Gordon is neither here nor there and you're simply throwing that in because you've realised you're defending the indefensible, you're not justifying anything by any argument or fact. I'm pointing out the specific mistakes he made and all you've got is that I don't like Gordon?}

9.) 05 Dec 2016
05 Dec 2016 00:50:21
The point I was trying to make was that Gordon's positioning whether it was incorrect or not he is the one on this site getting the majority of the pelter's for that goal when in actual fact if the defender (Toure) had done his job correctly then Moult would not have been able to shoot never mind score a goal and sorry but your dislike of Gordon is here or there because you already have a biased opinion and, to be honest i don't care I'm not a huge Gordon fan myself I just don't like when people ignore fault's of some player's and highlight any tiny mistake made by other player's (and I don't mean you when I say that) but for me if it had been Ambrose instead of Toure who had made the mistakes we wouldn't even be discussing Gordon and that's the issue I was trying to highlight.

{Ed007's Note - I don't see Gordon getting pelters - it's you that and a couple of others that got a tad excited when I pointed out his mistakes. And you obviously do care or you wouldn't get unvolved in the discussion.
So you do agree he was out of position for the first and beaten at his near post yet again for their second? It wouldn't matter if it was Efe Ambrose, Tony Montana or Bruce Lee that mistimed the ball - Gordon was still out of position.
Did you watch the Bournemouth v Liverpool match - I suppose it was the Bournemouth defenders fault that Boruc messed up big time for Liverpool's second goal? Do you think Mane's shot would have went if Boruc stayed on his line or would he even have taken the shot if he looked up and seen Boruc on his line?
We've got posters on here that come on saying Izzy and Brown's, finished, Armstrong isn't good enough, Commons should be playing rather than Rogic after we were beaten by Barca, yet when the GK ships 2 goals against a honking Motherwell side but we're not allowed to mention it.}

10.) 05 Dec 2016
05 Dec 2016 16:04:40
didn't see the bournmouth game i'll just take your word for it.

11.) 05 Dec 2016
05 Dec 2016 16:44:10
The first he should have anticipated Toure might miss it and come to challenge, that would have put him off possibly.

The second I felt he should have stopped. He got a hand to it and if again anticipated he would have allowed more strength to put the ball round the post.

No player is above criticism. We all have a view and that's all it is. Gordon I think will know he could have done better with both. If he doesn't, I would suggest he studies them
both again.

Still, it allowed a test of metal. We passed that test and psychologically the team will benefit more from recovering from those goals than they would have if he had saved them.

Every player can improve, pointing that out us not an act of treason. We want them to get better. They should too.

12.) 05 Dec 2016
05 Dec 2016 19:17:12
Goodness me we now have someone say it was an easy finish for Moult.
Any pro will tell u that the most difficult skill in the game is taking a ball over your shoulder and volleying it into the net.
The guy made it look easy because he caught it sweet, just like Van Persie did with his famous goal. They will prob try that 100 times and be successful less that 10 %.
The time it takes for Kolo to miss it and Moult to volley must be a fraction of a second but we have people saying Gordon should have come or gone back lol.
Don't know about u guys but a fraction of a second and its happened before anyone can react.
Also the 2nd goal has been described as he was beaten at his near post yet AGAIN.
Sorry but for me he is beaten at his far post as at the point of delivery he is at the near post and the ball delivered to his BACK post.
The point of a back post cross is that the keeper has to travel from his near post to his back post and usually if cross delivered well (which it was) he has not enough time to get there and if he does has no time to react as its at point blank range (which it was) .
Me thinks some are criticising for criticising sakes.
Ed me and u have had many debates on Gordon and we will never agree but when he has made mistakes I have come on here and said so.
I even had the odd go at him myself about his mistakes but these are not 2 of them.
My main point is that during the Euros many keepers made howlers much worse than Gordons and these guys are worth 20m plus and u see the same in EPL and Spanish, german leagues.
But u all expect Gordon to be better than these guys.