06 Apr 2016 22:36:10
---Commons-----Rogic-----Roberts---

This simply HAS to be the three players used behind the striker the rest of the season. These three players WILL push us over the line in the league and the cup imo if played together.

I agree, Commons has been very poor lately and a lot of the season but we know what he's capable of and he's a much better option and goal threat than the likes of GMS, Armstrong, Johansen and this just isn't the time and place now for your Christie's and Allan's, we need players who have been over the course and that means Commons. He would be right up for the Sevco game and has proved in the past he turns up in these games and I just couldn't trust guys like GMS or Armstrong as imo they would crumble in such an atmosphere.

Maybe harsh on McGregor as he was playing well recently but I still feel Commons is the man we need to turn to now. I know a lot will disagree but think about the alternatives for the left wing role? Who would you trust the most from a selection of Commons/ GMS/ Armstrong/ Forrest/ McGregor/ CKR/ Christie/ Allan/ Izzy in the title and cup run in?

Imo Commons--Rogic--Roberts will get us this double we need to end what will be the worst season I've had following Celtic football wise. I'm 23 years old btw.

1.) 06 Apr 2016
06 Apr 2016 23:44:36
Your age explains a lot.

{Ed007's Note - He was 12 on Helicopter Sunday - I was 31 and in tears - but seeing us win the league, 5 in a row, and hopefully the Double is the worst season he's had following CFC. There's nothing else I can say about that, it's beyond even ridicule.}

2.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 00:45:33
Celticforever doesn't matter what age you are. You have made your suggestion and for me it makes sense. Would likes of poeticpatient be saying that if manager was 23 yet won every cup in first season?

3.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 01:15:30
At 23.you should be out playing for the bhoys . I have my doubts about Commons, as he used to not contribute much but scored plenty of goals, which isn't a bad fault .
Now the goals have dried up I am not sure . I would pick Rogic and Roberts every day and maybe switch Roberts from side to side . GMS and mc Gregor are playing well as is Johanson, so I would leave the 3rd man for R D to select based on what he sees and hears at training etc.

4.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 01:17:22
Notice Ed I said 'football wise' as in the football I'm watching on a weekly basis on the park from supposed professional football players.

I keep seeing negative sideways and backward passing from most and in general turgid boring bland football and what's worst is results aren't even coming out of these which at least Strachan had going for him in his dull style of play, but this is 10x worse. I also see passes going astray far too often and not finding another team mate in a green and white hooped shirt regularly enough which just isn't acceptable when we're supposed to be the best team in the country but we're currently not showing this on the park as we don't look head and shoulders above most of our domestic opponents when we should. Let's be brutally the standard we come up against in Scotland domestically in the main is utter dross.

For us to be stuttering our way in what should be a one horse race in such a manner is also unacceptable. We should be at least 10-15 points clear of Aberdeen right now I don't think that's unreasonable to expect considering they've dropped a total of 28 points so far this season, for us to have dropped 23 points at this point in the season is simply absurd and with four 0-0 draws included.

I've spoken with many a Celtic fan in their 50s, 60s and 70s and lot's have agreed that this is by far the worst standard of football they've witnessed from Celtic on the park. Even worse than Macari, Venglos, Mowbray, Barnes sides so they can't all be talking $h1t and they're older than you and witnessed Celtic over the last 40-60 years on the park.

Pumped out the CL Qualifiers to Malmo, not a win in the EL, pumped out the LC by Ross County and now struggling and stuttering over the line in a 1 horse race added to this we've lost for the first time in over a quarter of a century (25 years) to Aberdeen twice in the league in the same season. That's a pretty poor seasons by anyone's standards. Sure we've had more gutting and more depressing ends to seasons. But that was against much tougher opposition. The way we've been playing this season is laughing stock material I don't think that's unfair to say.

You say 5 in a row and a hopeful double but there's no way ANYONE can be confident of either of those. Not with the way we're playing currently and the way Ronny can't motivate the side properly and get the best out of them. Anyway, as I said, if he goes with the three I've said behind the striker the rest of the season I think we'll win the league and cup, any other combination though and I'm a bit fearful as they're the three players I trust most.

Basically I'm just feeling so many emotions just now in regards to Celtic from anger to sadness to bewilderment to confusion it's just been a terrible season so far for me frankly and I can't wait to see the back of it and Ronny.

{Ed007's Note - So this is worse than Mowbray's tenure? The guys that are telling you this is worse than under Macari or Barnes are arseholes, tell them to stay off the Frosty Jack and Benylin cocktails.}

5.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 01:23:29
DN30, Ed already underlined the point I was making so I'm not going to go into that. If you want to ask me a question -- even if it is total non sequitur/ gibberish -- then go ahead.

6.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 01:43:10
Do you not think Macari, Barnes or Mowbray would have also won the league as it currently stands in a one horse race?

{Ed007's Note - Macari and Barnes would have struggled, I wouldn't be confident in either of them. Mowbray would have probably had enough about him to win the league now. I'm delighted to see CFC win one horse races, it's hardly their fault nobody can keep up. Do you not enjoy seeing CFC win trophies?}

7.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 02:06:47
When I say worse than Mowbrays/ Barnes/ Macaris/ Venglos I'm talking about the standard of football on the park and this is most definitely the worst I've seen imo and a lot of others agree who are a lot older than me. I'm not talking about seasons in general as a whole although in fairness they were under entirely different circumstances. But I don't think anyone would argue that this hasn't been a very poor season so far, I mean we scraped by an effing literal pub team in East Kilbride with two scrappy goals from set pieces one of which should never have counted. A pumping of Sevco would improve it but I have no confidence of that sadly.

You mention Mowbray but let's not forget he achieved a great result against Dynamo Moscow in CL Qualifiers away from home in a 2-0 win that season, a result Deila could only dream of against such standard of opposition in Europe. There was no shame getting put out CL that season by Arsenal. Ronny has never achieved an away win in Europe against any sort of meaningful decent side unless you want to include the Icelandic fisherman.

{Ed007's Note - You're just going over the same old repetitive stuff now. I just can't understand why at 23 this the worst season you've known as a CFC fan when it was only 5 years ago we didn't even qualify for any European football and I don't remember anybody calling for the manager's head then - we didn't even win the league! Don't you remember that season?}

8.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 02:12:38
Of course I enjoy seeing Celtic winning trophies, no greater feeling in the world and your spot on doesn't matter that it's a one horse race it's just as good as any other not our fault this is the way the league has been these last few years. I still don't think it's unreasonable though to have expected the title to have been practically wrapped up by now considering the amount of points Aberdeen have dropped all season.

I just think we should be expecting better, much better. I'm not asking to be competing for the CL Trophy here I'm simply saying we should be a lot more convincing and light years ahead of the rest domestically which we clearly aren't currently and I don't think that's too much to ask for.

9.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 07:50:10
@patient just thought your reply was bollocks mate. Age doesn't matter.

10.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 07:55:55
Why do we have to play 3 behind the striker can we not play 2 up top? I think we do have a shortage of good striker options but I think kazim Richards is never a left winger or man in the hole he's a central striker who would be a different player ( in my opinion) playing alongside LG. he wins headers, has pace and power and would be a good option to play alongside the wee man. LG looks tired and has been up top all season himself surely Ronny can see that.

11.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 08:44:06
Oldbhoy, you missed out that after seeing and hearing what goes on in training RD, reads page 73 of the sports science manual, before making his team selection, next week he is reading page 74.

12.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 08:44:30
DN30-

It wasn't a dig. It was a realization and, as I said, it explained a lot (about his comment) which ED expanded upon.

For the record though, context and comparative experience does matter if/ when you are claiming that this is "the worst season [you've] had following Celtic football wise", otherwise it's a totally blank statement.

13.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 09:09:40
if the cup is lost and the league is lost, will it suddenly become a worse season or will the people who base their opinions on how good a manager Ronnie is, still say its not been that bad and will the people who base their opinions on the teams performances throughout the season say it has been the worst ever.

14.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 09:32:19
Aindoh -

Worse than what?

15.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 11:04:48
Doesn't matter what age you are; everyone on here cares passionately and loves the club enough to take time to express an opinion.
Of course, there will very rarely be total agreement, but this comment certainly seemed to generate a lot of comment.
I will be 60 very soon and have some unforgettable memories of managers, teams, players and games and there have been many 'cycles of success and failure' and although we have won several trophies since 2012 - there is still a certain amount of disappointment, because expectancy and standards continually passed down are so high.

16.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 02:50:47
Completely and utterly different circumstances to today Ed so not really comparable. Lenny left Ronny a side which sauntered it's way to the league title the season Lenny left and also had qualified two years on the bounce for the CL groups.

The season you mention we didn't have any European football Lenny came up against a side in Braga in the CL qualifiers who reached the Europa League final that same season so were obviously no mugs and also came up against a fairly decent Utrecht side in which we were unlucky not have beaten as we gave away two silly penalties and you're always up against it if you do that. Hardly the shame of losing to sides such as Legia, Maribor and Malmo in qualifiers over two legs.

Also that season we played some really decent football with the likes of Hooper, Forster, Izzy, Kayal, Matthews, Ledley brought in and we all looked forward to upcoming seasons.

Football wise on the park not a chance that was a worst season for me, a gut wrenching end it was right enough.

If we had been up against that same oldco side this season under Ronny the season would be well over by now and we'd be miles behind. Luckily it's a slightly less pish Aberdeen side we'e up against this season but Ronny is making a one horse race look a lot harder than it should that's for sure.

{Ed007's Note - 'Lenny' left a team that had embarrassed the Club in the CL including a 6-1 drubbing off Barcelona and put out the cup by Mortin - by far two of the most embarrassing result in recent memory.
RD took that team who had lost an English international GK and replaced it with a GK who had hardly played in 3 years, won a double and qualified for the later stages of Europe.
Or are they not comparable either?
Didn't 'Lenny' win a one horse race with a meagre 79 points in 2012-13, drawing 7 games and LOSING 7 as well, that's 35 dropped points in a one horse race? RD's only 7 points off beating that total and with 6 games to go I'm totally confident that he will. Or can't we compare them either?}

17.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 12:09:03
Comparing Team A to Team B is never going to end in an agreement. You just go round in circles, with tit-for-tat arguments. The question shouldn't be whether this team is worse or better than previous teams, it should be whether they are good enough and IMO some of them are but many of them are not and it's showing in the dreadful performances we see most weeks.

{Ed007's Note - The initial question was how can this be the worst season a 23 year old fan has ever seen? A cynical reader might suggest that was a hyperbolic statement, personally I'd just call it as BS though.}

18.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 13:22:23
6-1 defeat by Barcelona, more embarrassing than the defeats by Molde, mmmm let me have a think about that.

{Ed007's Note - Best not, it's not really your strong point is it?}

19.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 13:50:53
LOL, Ed.

{Ed007's Note - :=o

20.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 13:58:24
ED, I enjoy reading your opinions but quality wise I'm struggling to think of a poorer season. It's hard to think of a match that I have come away from where I've really thought we've played well.
It should be easy for us to win the league with no sevco and a huge financial advantage but we are struggling to do that.
If winning the league is the only thing you judge them on then fair enough, but I think with the huge advantages we have over everyone else winning the league should be a formality. The very fact that we're struggling to win a league against such poor opposition tells you all you need to know about this team.

{Ed007's Note - To suggest that a season where we win the league, and hopefully a Double, is anywhere near the worst is preposterous verging on sheer stupidity.}

21.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 14:54:03
Ed's right, you can't say a (potential) double winning season is worse than a season where we win nothing but it could well be the worst in terms of enjoying the football. For me the main thing is trophies but I think another manager could easily come in and win the same but with much better football. That's why I would like to see Ronny go in the summer because I don't think under him we'll take the next step to being competitive in Europe while still dominating domestically. The only games I've enjoyed this season are the Hamilton 8-1, Aberdeen 3-0 and Hearts at the weekend. Europe was a disgrace.

22.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 16:13:01
ED, I did say one of the poorest seasons in terms of quality.
I think what the stupidity would be is to ignore the drop in quality that we have seen in the last few seasons, if things just drift along as they are then at this rate there is a fair chance that we won't win the league next season. I hope action is taken to ensure that this doesn't happen.
Winning the double would be great, but it shouldn't mask the decline we are seeing.

{Ed007's Note - So this season is worse than Tony Mowbray's efforts?}

23.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 17:19:36
ED, from 4 years ago the standard of football has got worse every year, I think that something needs to be done to reverse this trend.
The season under Mowbray was bad but at the end of it the club did act, and things gradually improved. I don't want another shambles of a season like the one under Mowbray, but unless we do something about it then that's where we're heading, the quality of football is just about as bad.

{Ed007's Note - You're avoiding answering the questions. Is this the worst season in the last 23 years? The Mowbray season is just an example, is it worse than any season we didn't win the league or any trophies?}

24.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 18:01:10
It's clearly pointless comparing different managers years apart as all circumstances are different. But can anyone say we are anywhere near as good as last season? And in all our lifetimes have you ever heard a team booed off the park as often as this current team has home and away?

25.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 18:06:27
Aindoh do u think RD is as slow a reader as yourself, he was at page 74 three weeks . maybe Aindoh, you are a bit slow at reading yourself .
Jesus people need to get hold of themselves, having spent all season harping on about not winning league this season, we are now expected to fret about next season .
That's nearly as bad as yesterday when someone posted that we would need to win 5 / 6 to ensure we won with style .
I have remembered and enjoyed the league won on goal difference as well as 15 points . Jock Stein MO'N WGS all won Leagues with very little to spare but they were never challenged that a small winning margin wasn't enough.

26.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 18:29:27
You were a bit slow with that reply Oldbhoy, you slowing up?

27.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 19:19:58
ED, I'm not avoiding the question at all, I think given the fact that we don't have sevco, the standard of the league is poor, and we have a massive financial advantage, then the quality of football is about as bad as anything in the last 23 years. The teams for the vast majority of that time didn't have the advantages that this team has.
The team that Tommy Burns managed in 1996 finished behind Rangers losing only one match, according to the way you look at it this team is better, I just don't agree.

{Ed007's Note - Celticforever said this was the worst season he can remember in his 23 years, I said it couldn't possibly be and pointed out seasons where we won nothing as an example. God knows what you're wittering on about now but it's got nothing to do with the conversation.}

28.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 20:07:15
What I've said ED is that quality wise I think this is about the worst season in 23 years, you don't have to agree with me, but I thought I was answering Celtic forever's point.

{Ed007's Note - You could have saved us all a lot a of time and just said you were going down the hyperbole route as well. There is no evidence or proof of that expect your opinion. History, stats and facts easily disprove it.}

29.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 21:07:51
Like gerryc is saying I'm talking about the style of football, it is in the main woeful as I have described. I'm not talking about the potential to win two trophies this season.

I'm talking about the standard of football that we are having to endure on a week to week basis like a chore I thought I had made that clear. Style of football wise this is certainly worse than Mowbrays and that was bad but this certainly shades it as worse.

There is no cohesion, no movement, no creative spark, poor first touches, poor passing, poor positioning, lack of tempo, lack of effort, lack of hunger, lack of desire, lack of spirit, lack of passion just in general summed up as absolutely shocking to watch and I feel for the fans that pay decent money to watch this.

It's bad enough on TV but I will always watch and support Celtic because it's my club and my duty but if things aren't going well and I'm not happy with it I will say it and that does not make me any less of a fan I just want what's best for us.

As bad a season as that was the standard of football was still better than it is today. Players like Maloney and McGeady to watch instead of GMS and Armstrong, Robbie Keane up front instead of Griffiths no disrespect to the wee man.

All I'm saying is I've never seen the standard of football as bad as it is today at Celtic in all my life watching us and plenty other Celtic fans have agreed with that who are a lot older than me as I've stated. We have players week to week who continue to cross the ball into the stands bar wee Roberts lately and give away possession constantly. Simply not good enough for a club like us up against the domestic dross we're playing. I don't think what I've argued is unfair in the slightest.

{Ed007's Note - That's totally different from saying it's the worst season you remember. When was the last time we had all that and you were happy? The football under MON was basically long ball + Larsson, WGS wasn't exactly playing tiki-taka and Neil Lennon played a defensive 4-5-1 most of the time (nobody remembers NL played with the dreaded 1 up front, convenient that eh?), it certainly wasn't any worse than what we're watching and the results show that - although the trophy count is higher.
As an example, people wanted RD sacked for only beating Partick Thistle 1-0 but celebrated the same result two years previous when NL was manager and we scored in the 90th minute while Partick had chances cleared off our line etc. Look at the reaction from some to the Kilmarnock game - so it's embarrassing needing a last minute winner under Deila but it was showing heart, desire etc under Lennon & MON, is that fickleness or double standards? Is that what being Celtic-minded buys you or the even more mythical playing the Celtic Way that died in the 70s?
For somebody that's only 23 I'm struggling to think when you would have seen football at Celtic Park that ticks all of YOUR boxes. The only manager I've seen play the way you want was TB and you're not old enough to remember that.
If this is the worst season you've seen as a CFC supporter you're in for one hell of long hard life - you'll be bald before you're 30.}

30.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 21:27:44
ED, this site is supposed to be about opinions, I thought that was the whole point of it.
If in my opinion the standard of football being served up is rotten, quoting stats is hardly going to make it good.
History and stats can say what they like, but do they tell you why thousands have turned their back on the club? . It's my opinion that these missing fans stopped going because of the standard of football being served up, I'd be very surprised if they are staying away because the excitement is too much for them.

{Ed007's Note - Take the pants off your head and pencils out your nose - you're wibbling now.}

31.) 07 Apr 2016
07 Apr 2016 21:54:35
The fans staying away has little to do with the style of football. If it did, then why is the Rangers game a sell out?