08 Oct 2016 14:34:20
Just read that we have appointed Jack Nayler, formerly of Real Madrid and PSG, to head up our sports science department.

The little I know of him, would suggest it is a great appointment.

Was saying a while ago, that for Celtic to be a top producer of players, then we need to have the best guys running things behind the scenes, so am delighted with this appointment.

1.) 08 Oct 2016
08 Oct 2016 16:28:01
Unlike a few on here, I believe in science. I have no idea about him but to have worked at those clubs would suggest he's qualified.

2.) 08 Oct 2016
08 Oct 2016 17:14:58
We all believe in Science, that's a given but how much of the uses and knowledge of science practices are we prepared to put into practise . Do we want 24 hour professional footballers on diets and nutrients and supplements . Sometimes managements who have went along the scientific route have been sneered at but I firmly believe if the scientific methods are introduced correctly by people who know what they are doing and if the players co operate then the team should be improved.

3.) 08 Oct 2016
08 Oct 2016 19:26:21
Tricky one that oldbhoy. Ideally I would want 24 hour athletes and a rigorous plan, players who can stick to the plan, but more importantly want to. But if a player likes the odd treat, or doesn't enjoy a particular aspect of training/ conditioning; I often wonder what impact not having that treat, or beimg put through particular exercises might have on say, their mental fitness. Will they be happy?
RD put plenty emphasis on sports science, bringing in extra staff etc. I didn't realise quite how far behind we were at the time, from players going to lower league clubs and not being fit too crisps on the team bus. And now the science influence is continuing, hopefully with a higher calibre of professional in Driscoll and now Nayler. Some decent articles and interviews out there with Nayler actually.

4.) 08 Oct 2016
08 Oct 2016 20:49:25
we will never produce the amount of talent other countries do due to the fact's we are more concerned about strength and power and height over ability secondly when managers come in from other countries and try and change the philosophy on training and eating properly players down tool's and they are ultimately chased off by fans waving pitchforks and torches does anyone on here believe that the eating habit's of Scottish players would be condoned in places like Spain and Italy I know players from other countries have come over and have been stunned at the lack of professionalism by players here also allegedly James Forrest was one who does not follow diets that most professionals use and there is a drinking culture in Scotland would players like him get injured as often as he does if he was looking after himself as a true professional should? . And of course I understand we still get players coming through with great talent and ability but they are few and far between could some of these good players have been world class with better training and diet's and being allowed to express themselves rather than worry about losing their spot or being dropped from a team because big Tam who is guff but he's 14 stone and 6'3" and can run all day.

5.) 08 Oct 2016
08 Oct 2016 20:47:35
The modern world is full of nonsense titles. "Sports science" is that the posh way of saying he is the new canteen catering manager?

6.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 05:10:38
That's the attitude I'm talking about, summed up perfectly thanks DN.

Nutrition is just one aspect of sports science. As sports science is one aspect of football. It all makes a difference though.

7.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 05:50:42
I think that on the occasions that we have been shown wanting against foreign opposition it is because they they have an obviously better technique and ball control and playing system, can't remember many occasions we have been outdone by pure effort, it is when more emphasis is put on diet and nutrition than on footballing technique, as Ronnie seemed to do, you end up with ., well you end up with the kind of football that was played under Ronnie, you have to have a proper balance, footballers are humans not 24 hour machines.

8.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 05:57:22
How many letters do you have to have after your name before you know that eating crisps and biscuits and drinking too much alcohol and doing recreational drugs, and not eating a balanced diet, is bad for you?

9.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 07:22:23
That's why we need that aspect against European sides aindoh, we can get james forrest very fit, but you can't suddenly give him the ability to cross a ball.

10.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 12:41:42
The nutrition stuff alone can actually make a huge difference in performance. Couple that it analysis of resting metabolic rate and biological rhythms and training schedules can be made which maximise impacts of physical training and reduce risk of injury. That's before you even look at performance analysis in terms of specific strengths and needs of individual players. It's no coincidence that all of the top European teams invest very heavily in sports science. A lot more to it than some people give it credit for. If I had my time again at uni, I would probably do a sport science degree.

11.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 15:49:51
Here's my 2ps worth

surely we should utilise every thing to get the players into their peak physical and mental condition.

it isn't forever - we are told they get paid so much because their careers are so short. and some players can't hack different aspects of everything about being a footballer so if they can hack having a good diet et al then they shouldn't be at a "top" club.

12.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 15:58:38
Spot on Davie, too many kids and adults eat n drink crap so is it any wonder we don't produce more top players like they do in other countries where there isn't a drinking culture n fast food TV geared lifestyle. Scotland is particularly bad for that, which is why sports science n diet are two important aspects, the right foods n drinks at the right times can give energy when u need it n there is nothing wrong with dealing with the mental side of playing, all teams n employers need to look after the mental health of those they employ as every job bro be its own stress, but too few r interested in dealing with that.
You then have to have players willing to work on their weaknesses and have a desire to constantly improve n be better, the best players always have that n the rest just get big heads n think they're sum big time Charlie when the truth is they're not.
The players were bang out of order under Rd for at times, lack of effort, troublemaking n bitching, n not playing for that jersey as I expect anyone who gets the privilege to wear the Celtic shirt to give 100% always, u work hard to earn the right to play.
Look at Kieran Tierney what an example to all young players, Rd gave him his chance n showed belief in him n it paid dividends n he also took to everything Rd wanted of him n showed a number at the club what's expected at Celtic. Rd got a raw deal n that Is a fact as he did a lot of good work n wasn't backed how he should have been considering he was the Celtic manager.
Aindoh, don't agree with u on a lot but your post the other day about the young dembele boy I could get where your coming from as too much media hype n exposure could ruin him before he's had a chance to even play, he's thirteen keep him out the spotlight, get him through school n if he is that good then he'd be looking at 16 17 to be brought up into the first team to make that progression over maybe a season to 3 span, all depends how he copes at that higher level as too many have got there n not managed to deal with it, n the media don't help they love building folk up to knock them down. Just hope people protect the younger players from hype n the nonsense in Scotland n we bring through a whole host with wee Tierney's attitude n desire.
Anyway aindoh give us a Ronny roar haha.
Hail hail.

13.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 16:01:55
Meant to say not sure how many letters u need after your name to know drinking n eating badly isn't good for you, n yet some footballers who play for us n many other teams still don't get that, commons the prime example, where by the way have all the commons fans on here gone, no shouts of commons needs to start these days so brendan sees what Rd saw in commons, not a lot.

14.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 17:12:10
Hail Hail Davie.

Hail Hail bigshaw. I find myself agreeing with you all the time off the top of my head. You know the difference re Commons, RD was wrong, BR is right. That's just the way it is.

15.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 17:44:54
so according to aindoh's logic a team full of unprofessional players who don't train properly and don't look after themselves i. e good diet not boozing at the club will still be able to compete with players who do look after themselves with "pure effort" if you believe that your deluded.

16.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 18:46:00
Think you are grossly misinterpreting what I was trying to say big. D.

17.) 09 Oct 2016
09 Oct 2016 19:29:00
I think first of all a player has to have ability, the fitness side of things come afterwards.
I think a lot of the modern coaches are only interested in how athletic a player is, it doesn't seem to matter to them if they can actually trap a ball correctly or be able to make a pass to a teammate.
I've said it before, but I wonder how many of the modern coaches would have Jimmy Johnston in their teams?, I reckon a lot of them wouldn't like him dribbling with the ball, and they would no doubt want someone who tracked back better and had a good "engine".
I wouldn't mind betting there are quite a lot of young players out there who didn't make the grade because they were better footballers than athletes.

18.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 00:40:58
On a lighter note. Imagine what the Derry Pele could of achieved in the 70s. He would of had a stand named after him 😅.

19.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 00:44:43
Iceland in the euros. Good tactics and fit as a fiddle. They did ok.

20.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 11:32:31
Paddy McCourt is a fine example, rglen. I wonder what it would have done for him. Such great ability. A cult hero of mine. However more sports science might have gotten rid of his constant niggles and strains, helped him last more than 45 minutes, and sorted his hair out. Then there's his attitude though. I may be totally wrong, but Paddy just reminded me of an old room mate, I can just picture Paddy walking around all morning in his boxers, scratching and eating last nights kebab, going to training and doing a bit dribbling about, then off to an open mic night on the swally.

21.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 12:21:09
JimTim see at the end of the day, if any professional footballer doesn't know how to look after themselves they shouldn't be collecting their £10k etc a week.

It's basic stuff really, eat healthy, exercise regularly and see a qualified doctor if there are any psychological issues. There's no science involved there, just a fancy name for a glorified fitness instructor.

22.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 13:50:38
No science at all DN.

23.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 16:01:04
In any sport or any profession there are many qualities needed to perform at a top level. Ability, fitness, diet etc. are all very important and success probably won't come without them but the single biggest quality needed is attitude. If someone has the right attitude, no matter what they do for a living, then they won't need to have the other stuff forced upon them. They'll know they have to do it in order to achieve individual excellence and the right attitude will make them want to do them anyway. HH.

24.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 16:49:35
When we suffered the 7 nil drubbing against Barcelona, they showed better technique, better ball control, crisper and more accurate passing and had considerably more procession of the ball.
That's makes Barcelona and we probably all ( except possibly Aindoh ) would accept that to be the way it will be for the foreseeable future .
Celtic ran themselves into the ground whilst Barcelona players continued to cruise along as if they were enjoying a 7 aside in the Park .

Now all the Science geniuses in the World, just like the Managers and trainers cannot make a player super fit unles, he wants to .
I think B Rodgers knows he has enough players who will take on board, what they are told and shown .
Let's hope so, I read today one of the best players in Europe over the last 20 yrs Ballack is reported as saying B Rodgers is too good for Celtic, if he is right I hope
B R doesn't find out for at least 10 yrs.

25.) 10 Oct 2016
10 Oct 2016 19:11:31
Completely agree JimTim and big D. It amazes me how pro athletes can't follow simple instructions on diet and nutrition. But then again, these are the ones that think their world beaters.

26.) 11 Oct 2016
11 Oct 2016 14:39:20
Oldbhoy one statistic, that amazed me about the Barcelona game was the amount of tackles that we made, or rather didn't make.

27.) 11 Oct 2016
11 Oct 2016 17:35:40
But spart from thst Oldbhoy, I totall agree with that first paragraph, but how do we achieve the better technique, the more crisp and accuratd passing, the better ball control, is it by concentrating on more work with the ball, doesn't matter how fit you are, if you can't get the basics rightis frustrating and disheartening if you or your teammates are mucking up passes or not trappjng the ball right, Iceland were fit but they also got the basics right, all this sports science stuff might be very well but is of no use if the playersvcant do the simple stuff.

28.) 11 Oct 2016
11 Oct 2016 18:47:11
If u haven't your fitness up to Barcelona's standard u won't get the ball and have time on the ball to match them in technique crisp and accurate passing ball control and every part of the game that Barcelona excel with .
The time some British and Irish footballers eating crisps and drinking sugary drinks plus evenings in pubs, is what makes most of the difference between many based on these islands and the Barcelona squad.

29.) 11 Oct 2016
11 Oct 2016 19:15:41
You can't do anything, relatively, aindoh with regards to making players better technically. Not anytime soon anyway. You can improve them a bit for sure, but to seriously enhance the technical ability of the side (bar chucking serious money at the team) it takes several years. Down from the wee bairns the training obviously needs to change. It should also be of a structure similar to school, each year is a foundation to go to the next, adding different elements, ultimately geared as well mind, towards the way the first team play. La Masia is probably the example most people would think of. But even then, they don't always pridyce the best players, don't have the best side. And that's even when as a club, they have such a strong identity in their playing style. But anyway, I think you're somehow mixing sports science up with coaching, they are intertwined, and both important, but nobody is saying that a bit of extra investment into sports science is suddenly going to give a player great feet, but the key point is it certainly won't hamper the side technically!

30.) 12 Oct 2016
12 Oct 2016 16:54:06
Have to admit, never seen the Barcelona game, just listened to it on the radio, but there seemed to be, according to the radio, at least, many occasions when Celtic lost possesion, thru giving the ball away by not finding a tesm mate with a pass or not contrilling the ball, my point being, if you spend too much time on getting overfit (I will call it) , you will suffer because your basic skills sre being neglected.

{Ed007's Note - I actually thought we done OK in the first-half against Barca, there's no shame going in 2-0 down to them and we had made a couple of decent chances and missed the penalty. It was after Barca brought on Iniesta for the start of the second half we were left chasing shadows.}

31.) 14 Oct 2016
14 Oct 2016 17:24:18
Aindoh, if you ever attended a game or even watched a game on TV, you could talk about it with some knowledge . However you discussed the Barcelona game more than most without even seeing it .
One of the reasons our tackle count was low, was possibly because we couldn't get near them .
Ed007, I think you were right about Inesta's influence in the 2nd half, he certainly upped the tempo and accuracy of their passing but I think our players ran out of steam.