Celtic Rumours Archive January 05 2019

05 Jan 2019 21:53:26
This just stinks of another paper over the cracks move which unfortunately we have become accustomed to for years now. Constant temporary repairs without ever going and doing the job properly will eventually lead to having to knock everything down and starting from scratch. This rubbish of loan signings for 6 months here n there needs to stop and we need to address this here and now because if the dark side do catch us then our board and management have a million sins to answer for. This should never have been allowed to come to this. Sitting back thinking we are invincible, we haven't even been standing still we have went backwards alarmingly fast.

05 Jan 2019 23:06:29
We have 45 mil in the bank. Spending the way we do is a choice, not a necessity.

Unfortunately the overall quality has dropped due to this.

Seen people say Dembele was cheap. Only cheap due to a technicality in compensation package. English sides bid 7 mil for him previously.

Meaning if we actually signed players of that value we can still sell for 15-20 and make profit.

No issue with loans but the way we rely on them is a disgrace.

A 2.3 mil Xmas bonus for lawwells is also a joke.

05 Jan 2019 23:33:11
Out wide is not an area we need to spend money on right now. The money will be spent on a CB or two, A RB and a ST as well as another on loan. Our main problem has been the defence in Europe so if the Dembele money goes towards sorting that out then I'd be happy. Bayo will score goals one thing I can say is he's good in the air and makes the runs to get on the crosses which is something we don't have. The amount of corners and free kicks we pass up as we rarely score from set pieces Bayo will have a field day with.

05 Jan 2019 23:36:32
Where are you getting we have 45million in the bank from? Lol.

{Ed007's Note - Didn't we have about £27 million in the bank and then the Dembele money on top of that?}

05 Jan 2019 23:45:29
Do you honestly think Rangers will beat us to the league title all because they have signed Jermaine Defoe (37 this year) and Steven Davis (35) . Sure it will be closer but we haven't hit top gear yet and we are still top of the table with a game in hand, league cup in the bag, treble treble still on, European football after Christmas, a good young squad (which will be added to) , one of the best coaches in Europe and money in the bank . Compare that to what's going on across the city and its night and day. They are throwing everything at trying to halt 10 in a row. Look at some of the players they are stockpiling on decent wages, guys like Davis, Pena, Herrera, Dorrans, Murphy, McGregor, Defoe, Flanagan, Arfield, Goldson, Katic, Worral . These guys won't be on peanuts and I wouldn't be surprised if their wage bill is higher than ours by the end of the season. They must be seriously flirting with admin#2 if they don't bring in success ( My guess is CL qualification next season is essential) and most of these guys are too far the wrong side of 30 and will need replaced in a year or 2. Too many people jumping on the MSM craving for Rangers to do well and us to be in turmoil. Would you trade places with them in the race for the league and dominance in Scotland. My guess is no. Yes now is not the time to take risks hence why I said earlier I think it would be wise if we brought in an experienced striker instead of having 3 guys under the age of 22 as our strike force. If that's on loan until the end of the season then so be it. Too many fans getting caught up in us always getting top dollar for every player we sell. Leave the money side to the board and enjoy the success whilst it's here.

06 Jan 2019 00:02:57
Can’t be admin 2.

06 Jan 2019 00:26:00
Did Lawell seriously get tbat amount?

If it's true it's a disgrace, what's his combined salary?

06 Jan 2019 00:24:10
Bigp, I'm not one for technicalities with that stuff. Let me rephrase as another administration / liquidation for the club of 'the peepo'

06 Jan 2019 00:32:53
Need to factor in loss of CL cash too. Plus our wage budget is £50 odd mil. I think we’ll be sitting at £30-35m in the bank just now but that will fall as the months go on with less Europa cash and no new ST money. Still healthy but the loss of CL money is a big factor.

06 Jan 2019 00:56:43
But the reason there was no CL football is because we didn't invest with the adequate quality in order to qualify. You need to speculate to accumulate and we didn't. Simple.

06 Jan 2019 00:56:43
But the reason there was no CL football is because we didn't invest with the adequate quality in order to qualify. You need to speculate to accumulate and we didn't. Simple.

{Ed007's Note - Our squad with it's wage bill should have had enough quality to qualify for the CL - the blame for that lies solely at the feet of the players for not turning up.}

06 Jan 2019 08:33:41
Our wage bill is £59.7m and our club only made £7m profit after a season in Champions league.
We are £30m worse off this season as a result and took in £7m for Armstrong, £7.5m for Van Dijk sell on and £19.8m for Dembele that’s £34m and that’s if all the money was paid in lump sums with only the Dembele money being reported that was.
We spent £9m on Edouard so £25m up after transfers and probably made about £5m in Europa League we got to last 32 last year aswell so unless we make further progress we will finish season at best £7m up again before factoring in new Hotel costs, new contract signing on fees, loan fees, for Benkovic and possibly higher wage bill again not to mention directors bonuses in excess of £1m and we still need to win the treble for those calculation which although is likely it’s not a certainty.
Yes we can possibly add a cpl of good players but we are by no means cash rich.
This from Celtic. net
These results, which declare record sales revenue of £101.6m (2017: £90.6m) and a profit before taxation of £17.3m (2017: £6.9m) , reflect a financial year in which everything went well.
The year-end cash net of bank borrowings was £36.1m (2017: £17.9m) , which equates to a net funding position of £27.0m (2017: £13.4m) when adjusted for debt and debt like items (as defined in the Summary of the Results) . This allows the Board to plan for the unexpected and manage the immediate disappointment of failing to qualify for the Group Stages of the Champions League.

06 Jan 2019 12:50:27
Ed007 does the Dembele sale money not factor into next year's accounts?

{Ed007's Note - Yeah but the money is still in the bank as part of Lawwell trying to get some payback on Dembele was that the fee would be paid in full.}

06 Jan 2019 13:57:30
Won't be over 49 million in back come. Money is constantly going out.

06 Jan 2019 15:04:36
Yes downunderboy. Lawwell got a 2.3 mil bonus.

But can't pay an extra mil or so for signings like mcginn for example.

Along with his 1.3 or whatever salary.

3.5mil he gets paid more than most English premier chairmen.

06 Jan 2019 16:17:01
How long have we been papering over the cracks . The last 2 which should bear the brunt of this crack papering, we won a double treble, which can't be too bad because I think it is unprecedented in Scottish football. Even David and Walter, and H Dallas and about 20 players illegally registered couldn't achieve that .
Maybe if we get an opportunity to buy players that are worth more than £5 m we will do so . I know any idiot and their seems to be up to twenty such idiots in the EPL can give £10m £25m, £50m and more for players that may be better than some of ours, I hope to God, Lawwell doesn't take a funny turn and start throwing money away for average footballers.

05 Jan 2019 19:50:37
Bayo now following Celtic on Instagram.

05 Jan 2019 20:17:15
So is wanyama, don't in if that means anything.

05 Jan 2019 20:29:27
Sorry for being a dinosaur but what does that mean? 🤣.

05 Jan 2019 21:39:01
Means Bayo and Weah on the way to Celtic, Wanyama staying at Spurs, would have liked him back until end season.

05 Jan 2019 21:45:26
Tambow. Why would he randomly go follow celtic when he’s linked so much. Happens all the time, then we see players joining the club. Happened with weah before the media news broke.

05 Jan 2019 13:32:35
Am hearing Celtic have withdrawn their £2m offer Bayo and have gone back in with a 6 month loan offer.

05 Jan 2019 16:06:59
Imagine the scenes.

05 Jan 2019 16:08:11
Some quarters saying a final bid of 2m take it or leave it. typical.

05 Jan 2019 16:21:34
We sell a 20mill striker and his poss replacement is in the 2m bracket and we baulk at the fee we never learn lawell at his best.

05 Jan 2019 17:19:37
That 20 million striker was bought in at under a million.
That's how we work. How hard is that to understand.
Bring them in make them better sell them on.

05 Jan 2019 18:43:38
Let's think about this rationally. How would the papers know what we have and haven't done in terms of bidding for a player?

I very much doubt the people involved are running to the paper to tell them every intricate part of the process as it happens. Which would suggest the papers are just guessing or are being fed from someone else professing to be in the know but who is also just guessing.

05 Jan 2019 18:54:29
They don't all have to cost under a million Kev83. We can push the boat out and pay 5mil to make 20mil. Still buisness. Jesus, we could spend 10mil to make 20. Obvioulsy not us, but your statements ish.

05 Jan 2019 19:12:09
That's right kev think a get that my point is there's 20 mill from the dembelle deal and were haggling over a couple of hundred thousand . How hard is that to understand.

05 Jan 2019 19:21:34
Holy I don't care how much we spend as long as the we get the right players.
But to say stop buy cheap because we have 20 million from dembele who we bought CHEAP is mental.
If we weren't buying cheap with him we would have missed out on the 20 million.

05 Jan 2019 19:23:58
I get your point Kev but once that business model has borne fruit to the tune of millions upon millions, shouldn't we then start to spend a bit extra for a more established level of player who we could still sell for big profit in 2 or 3 seasons whilst also improving our levels on the field? I'm happy with us going for this lad because we did spend big on Eddy but if we could do it in a couple of other key positions we could really kick on.

05 Jan 2019 20:23:34
Kevbhoy here's a question? Will spending the 5 10 or 20 million on one player guarantee that they will be more successful than the million pound player?
Or would it be better to scout properly and puck the best player for what we need?

Remember edouard cost around 9 million and he was a youth player.
A fecking youth player.

05 Jan 2019 20:25:48
I think what a lot of guys fail to grasp is, the money from the Dembele sale will be in next year's accounts and probably most of it will fill the hole of no champions league money and go to the wage bill.

05 Jan 2019 20:34:12
It takes a hell of a lot of money to provide ist class facilities, playing, coaching and training for our players . We may not be able to match the EPL wages but we have to do our darnest to give them the best facilities possible . These facilities are important in attracting top and Kung players who will eventually leave at big profit . Celtic shouldn't buy in a £10-12 or £15m player as no doubt it would create a problem in our close net dressing room.

05 Jan 2019 21:02:28
Kev83 nothing is a cert but I think an example of kev Bhoys point is benkovic, we had a chance at him last year for 6 or 7 Mill, baulked at the fee n now look, we'd bite the hand of Leicester for him.

I suppose we have with ntcham and eddy but If you have faith in the process release the funds.

05 Jan 2019 21:21:12
That all I am saying and kevs went mental just push the boat out a wee bit more. why lose a player we obviously want because of a few hundred grand it's nuts.

05 Jan 2019 22:33:15
Some people just want to spend the money, as a sort of symbol, like if you spend £5million on a player then you are guaranteed to get a good player, (wakey, wakey, no you are not) , and if you spend £1million on a player then you are guaranteed to get a not as good a player as the £5million pound player (again, wakey, wakey) , so these people would be quite happy if we spent £5million or more on an inferior player than the one we could get for £1million, because at least the board were showing intent.

05 Jan 2019 12:00:44
Oliver Welcome to the Biggest club in the world Glasgow Celtic .

05 Jan 2019 11:07:29
Burke joins on loan, strange one 🤔.

05 Jan 2019 11:35:58
Hopefully he can regain his Forest form. No surprise Rodgers is adding wingers in Burke and Weah. Only Forrest has had a good season out wide for us. Been a huge weakness all season. No one making an impact off the bench and Sinclair only turning up on occassion. Vital that more wingers contribute in the second half of the season. Morgan and Hayes are no where near Celtic standard.

05 Jan 2019 11:45:32
If anyone can explain the angle here, please do.

05 Jan 2019 11:48:31
Sorry not accepting that Morgan isn't Celtic class. Guy hasn't had any game time and has been limited by injury. Morgan will come good he is too good a player not to make an impact. How you can really judge the boy when he hasn't played I find incredible.

05 Jan 2019 11:55:55
He’s came off the bench plenty of times and shown absolutely nothing. Arzani done more in the 15 minutes he played than Morgan has in all his appearances combined. If he was doing it in training he’d have earned himself a few starts given the form of the others but he clearly hasn’t been.

05 Jan 2019 15:29:23
Morgan needs the Christie treatment. Send him out on loan to a Hibs/ Aberdeen/ Kilmarnock for 18 months and he'll come back ready for our first team. He's not at that stage for me but there is definitely a player in there.

05 Jan 2019 19:43:27
Morgan signed for us 12 months ago, has had 6 months at St Mirren and further 6 with us. During this period we have been ravaged with injuries and loss of form and he has been unable to get into the team other than the odd cameo. He might come good, like Kouassi.

05 Jan 2019 19:45:01
Good to me to send Morgan out on loan to a premiership team surely someone would take him. He needs game time and to beef up a little.