Celtic Rumours Archive June 30 2013

 

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30 Jun 2013 22:35:33
James Forrest is the latest player being linked with a move away from Celtic. Everton are said to be lining up a £8m bid for the youngster with Cardiff also interested.

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I'm a huge Forrest fan and always defend him on here but i've said previously anything over 6 million has to be looked at so 8 million is a no brainer. Great money for player we've brought through. I don't know how true that figure is though.

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9.5-10 just like our last academy player, we turned down 7 two years ago from qpr I think so for me it's 10. If its an academy player who is wanted and has talent like Forrest 10 has to be the mark

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Why would martinez be in for forrest for 8mil when he can get mcgeady for half that and is a long time admirer? james forrest is the most overrated celtic player in history, he's an alright player to bring on in the last 10 or 15 minutes of a game, he's never the player the way some of our fans get on, and lennon 's little prodigy, he's brutal i'd bit anyones hand of for 3mil.(sorry lads that's my opinion on the situation ) belfastbhoy

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A lot of people seem to dislike Forrest because he lacks end product, which is true, but he's the only player we have with real pace who can take a man on, also puts a great shift in for the team. Would like to keep him but if anything like £8m came in for him then I'd take it.

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I don't think he's worth 10 million to be honest. If his season hadn't been wrecked by injury last year and he had followed up his debut season by progressing last year then yes I would probably be agreeing with you but after how it turned out I don't feel 10 million is realistic. I think he's a fantastic wee player and I hope a bid never comes to be honest. I hope he stays injury free and gets a run in the team and silences the doubters.

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I have to agree with 1 of the other replys, I've never been a Forrest fan. Anything around £4/5m i'd say goodbye

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I have been pretty critical of young Forrest, I just don't think he has progressed as he should have.Granted injury has played a part but rarely does he shine.If this is true I would take it, bring in GMS for £1.5-2m and move on.green jhedi

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Your all completely mad, how can you all talk so much rubbish about one of our own? Wee forest is very young by the time he is 23-24 he will leave mcgeady in the dust. I say hold on to the bhoy and let him fulfil his potential were he belongs. But if he does go for anything it should be 8-10, then like green Jedi says bring in gms for the 1.5 and get mcgeaoch blooded.

Darrenbhoy

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Good player injured a lot if we get 8 million for him take it and give mcgeough more game time

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Please let it be true, I don't believe he's worth half that to be honest. Can't cross, scared to go on the outside and sorry but he's just plain lazy.

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Please let this be true, Would take 4. Has pace and that's it. Overrated is an understatement, take the money and buy two decent wingers.

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Last post. Outragous comment. Sopotcelt.

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Agree with most of the comments take the money and run. Don't ever remember him lighting up a game, there is not even a comparison with Aiden. He also sticks his hands out everytime some breaths on him which does my head in!

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Forrest is a great wee player. Forget what he's worth or not worth. His season was wrecked by injury, he shouldn't have been thrown in against Juventus after being out for so long and wasn't fully fit for the cup final against Hibs, the 2 games people keep referring back to. The criticism is shocking he gets on here. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but its as clear as day some people are going over the score as a result of there seemingly being a Pro Forrest camp and an Anti Forrest camp.

I literally can't wait to ram it down peoples throats on here when he starts running riot again for Celtic. I've wrote down a few regular posters names who've been laying into wee shoulders big time in anticipation.

He has faults, no doubt about it. The throwing his arms up when he's had his shirt pulled looking for a foul is frustrating. Even more so when we don't get the foul and he doesn't chase to get the ball back. I'll admit that needs removed from his game but his vision, pace, movement, link up play and potential are there for everyone to see. His crossing isn't bad like people keep saying, its inconsistent. Sometimes its brilliant like the assist to win the scottish cup semi-final against Dundee Utd right on Stokes's head.

He must get himself fit or his development will be badly stunted and he will turn into a Donnelly or a Burchill. But to put him into that category already is just unfair I feel.

Again though lads, your entitled to your opinions. Just keep it fair eh, he's one of our own.

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@belfastbhoy I'd have Forrest in a hoops jersey before McGeady 9 times out of 10. Forrest is quicker, more direct and at 21 has a far better end product. He will continue to improve whereas McGeady reached a decent level and has just stayed there. Just my humble opinion.
Kevbhoy

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Does nobody remember last season when Forrest was being hailed as on of the three amigos? he was at times the ONLY player turning up in games! injury has stifled him this season and rushing back has sent him back. every player has their price but some of the criticism here is unwarranted. Celtic supporters?

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From what I know James does not want to leave so he would have to be forced out the door. Which is unlikely as we don't need to sell.

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I think if you take forrest and stick him at 5 on a list of Celtics current best players.
Then add a player - better above forrest, worse below.
Ledley, Hoops, Stokes, Broony, etc etc - I don't think it would be long before Forrest would be bottom of the list!
So 5-8 million for "not our greatest" player - take it and use that doh to build where we are weakest.
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30 Jun 2013 21:12:08
Is there any truth in the rumour Everton and/or Cardiff are planning a move for James Forrest. I would like to see him stay and get a full season injury free but if its the rumoured figure of £8m then hmm ~ Mrs E

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30 Jun 2013 22:33:59
take it he another donnelly wee boy who won't make it bite there hand off the boy was rotten in cup final

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With the regular occurrence of injuries I don't think he is worth £8m the best we could hop for is £6m as he isn't a amazing player and much of a prospect as wanyama

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I would not be bothered if he went if the fee was realistic and as long as we got a better replacement.
He really fizzled out after a promising start and has been really hampered with injury for a player so young and I feel really big games seem to pass him by; Cup Final and CL in particular.
I really wanted him to develop in the mould of so many great wingers I have seen in 50 years, but hey-ho.

Jungle Jim

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If those figures are true, then take it

Ska bhoy

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Can't believe how harsh everyone is on Forrest, I just don't get it. We are a much better and more dangerous side with him in it. Wait till he gets a run without injuries and you will be eating humble pie. On a side not, I see the crazy EPL prices are striking again as Cardiff have just agreed a £8m fee for Tom Ince. This is a guy let go for nowt by Liverpool and had one good year in the Championship. At these prices Forrest is worth £15m and big Vic £25 as Vic especially is proven CL and this guy has only played in the Championship. Crazy, crazy money down there. If we ever got in we would be competing with the very best. martyc1888

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£8m?
Taxi for Forrest!

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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I completely agree Marty, it was the same as Sammy you would think these people would would learn but no the keep spewing thier verbal diarrhea about players they are supposed to support, majority of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Forest is a very young bhoy with lots of room for improvement. But how is he gona do that when his own fans don't rally behind him. You pot should get a grip and give that bhoy the encouragement he needs.

Darrenbhoy

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Darrenbhoy
You should chillax.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Forrest has had very limited improvement in the last year. It's partly due to injury but it's totally possible that it is ALSO partly due to him not being good enough in some fans eyes, and if the club is being offered anywhere in the region of £6m-£8m then some people might think it would be good business to let him go. What's wrong with that belief? You might not agree (actually it's clear you don't agree) but that doesn't mean you're right and everyone else is talking "Dirk Kuyt" mate.
As for my own opinion? I don't think he's worth it based on his last season.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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I like Forrest and you can guarantee if he was in another Scottish team, Celtic fans would be on here every transfer window with his name.

He is only 21 and was unfortunate last season with injury. He's not only rated (if we must use that word) by Neil Lennon, he has also been capped at every level for Scotland. GMS, for example, hasn't and is a year older. This could be the Youth Academy at Celtic to thank for that but I just think he's on a different level.

I'm not saying he's the next Ronaldo or whoever but he does not deserve the criticism he gets.

I want him to stay for this season anyway, he's old enough now and knows he has to improve on last season. No excuses ~ Mrs E

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30 Jun 2013 19:51:09
I wonder if Ajay Leitch Smith will be back in contention for a move to the hoops after today? Been on the radar a wee while now, bounce game or not, that's what their for!
Can't be bothered with this whole "fits the singing policy" but if that's what the future is then I suppose Smith fits in there?!


Bigbadjohn

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I don't think he is good enough to play for us. We don't need him when we have young tony watt and great other talent comin trough the ranks. Gazdcelt

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You lot have had scouts watching Crewe regularly for the past 2 seasons, Crewe were expecting a bid from Celtic last season for AJ but it never arrived, maybe because Hooper was expected to leave but didn't, so if he does leave this Summer, I think it's more than possible that you would finally go in for him. I think you would be better served turning your attention to a mate of mine, Max Clayton, but I'm not sure he would be ready for a move so far away from home yet. Murphy would be a brilliant replacement for Wanyama, even if he is a different type of player, he is more than good enough to be playing in the Prem, never mind the SPL, a boss little player.
JFT96
Smithy

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17 goals in 83 games for Crewe is hardly the stuff of legends guys. I'd be mighty disappointed if this chap was even a consideration for us.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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30 Jun 2013 17:11:40
Celtic have made contact with Dundee United over Gary Mackay-Steven

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Good player but his final ball is poor. Not any better than we already have in the squad

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He's got the tricks but I'd rather see McGeough get more time on the pitch.
Kevbhoy

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About time if true. ?

Bigbadjohn

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Personally I think GMS could become a rare talent playing in a better team & getting experience in the CL etc few years maybe he can move on to one of those big english teams like Southampton, Cardiff, Hull or Norwich maybe even Villa or Fa Cup winning Championship hopefuls Wigan cause let's be honest use just can't hang onto your best players that people actually want accepting bids at exactly half of your managers valuation. Slag away at the Gers our bus our team our finances Ally McCoist call us Sevco. We will be following on not walking away we're here to stay deep down you know it!

Larky Bear

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Yes Kevbhoy, McGeough is very good with the ball at his feet and I would also like to see more of him.

Fran :)

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Agree with kev would much rather see our young bhoys giving a chance rather than sign a squad player if we are going to sign make sure It's starting 11 material
Gordybhoy44

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OMG no name . Have they really . Who actually told you this? . I'm just back from a seance and made contact with somebody who said your talking a load of Dirk Kuyt like earlier on . DH

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Larky bear wot players r u talking abt that we r selling for half lennys valuation

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Why is a zombie on our site, nobody cares about glasgows 3 team.
On real matters surely we have better young players given a chance and run would be beter than gms. The boy has tricks and would get arses off seats, but hopefully we give our youth a chance.
One other thing are there any hearts youngsters worth signing?
Mac1888

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Thought Wanyama wasn't going for any less than £25million but then Lennon says that the £12.5million was a fair offer. Face it the Scottish game is dead on it's feet & Celtic will never reject an offer over £12million for anyone where as wee teams like Southampton can reject more than that for
G.Ramirez.

Larky Bear

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Zombuw bear your a joke the same as your newly founded club tell me again how much money you got for your exclubs players when they left y
you thanks for all the entertainment provided down govan way from your joke team your joke board and your joke support your totally right you'll keep follow following cause years of blind bigotory will make sure of that its ingrained but no this you'll never be a threat to us again you know it and we know it cause you'll never be allowed to scale the heights of corruption your former club achieved but it won't stop you trying
hope to meet you in the cup.next season to put you well and truly in your place just hope our fair city can handle the fallout such a skelping will result in we know yous can't help yourselfs because you are the peepl
repulsive till you die. again
thommyj

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Thommyj think about it they have got 10 times better than last season in terms of signings and I beleive the way their going when their back in the spl it will be back to the good days great competition, and both teams taking the cups and either rangers or celtic winning the league that's the way I like it instead of having our rival in the league 20 points away from us takes away the fighting spirit

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That's a nice big smashing sentence there thommyj, see you are one of those repulsive Celtic Supporters who tars every Rangers fan with the same Brush nice that's partly how this problem in Britain will never be fixed!
How have I to know what we got for the players like our board tells the truth eh? Hardly any that were worth anything TUPED over so our Clubs Carcass was plucked peace by peace by Vultures in every way possible! I am ashamed of what Murray, Whyte & potentially Green have done to my Club but that does not mean I will stop supporting them. Rangers is a way of Life for most of us & this is the reason that I will Follow on stop being so shallow and see that it was a bit of Banter Christ if I had a quid for every time I've been called a Zombie or knuckle dragger on here I could buy Rangers 20 times but never have I been called a Zombuw! As you see I can laugh at myself and our situation because if I don't I will greet. Make it 10 in a Row when Rangers get in the Top Division and then you can tell me we will never Challenge you again but with a Bus like ours the only way is up surely?!

Larky Bear

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Aye guys stop trolling the guy, he is a decent supporter like most of us, just we hate his club. That doesn't mean we have to hate him. Get a grip and stop acting like kids.

Darrenbhoy

Ps. If you read some of larkys other posts without your I hate sevco glasses on you will find he is a decent laugh aswell. Can't we all just get along

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30 Jun 2013 15:22:07
Neil Lennon has been quoted as saying he hopes to get over the line with another deal and would hope the player would travel to Germany. Any ideas who this may be? Ian L

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McFadden maybe, hope not though.

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Probably that Steven Muoyokolo who has been on trial with us.

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Be good if it was someone a bit more high profile, I like McKay-Steven but I don't know if he's better than a fully fit James Forrest. Ian L

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Given the players we've already brought in and who we have been credited with interest in i'd hope it to be Barbosa or Mackay Steven (that sort of area) but hoping is hoping after all.
I'd put money on it being Mouyokolo too given that Lenny hinted at wanting to take him to Germany. He's only going to be a 'back-up' anyway I guess but I really would have hoped (again) for a more commanding experienced defender.
That said, any transfers to get excited about I think will only happen now once decent sums are brought in if Wanyama or Hoops are sold.

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Think it's Steven Muoyokolo. He impressed Lennon yesterday in the bounce match against Crewe

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He looks as if he's had his fair share of serious injuries, other than that don't know much about the fella. Ian L

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Forrest sold for big bucks. Mackay Steven in. Just a thought. Sopotcelt.

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Jonathan Pitroipa

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Can they not play in the same first 11 like?! FFS.

Bigbadjohn

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It looks to be steven mouyokolo. Gazdcelt

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The french lad is going to germany, so not him. Hopefully another gem from park.
Better keeping our targets under wraps, english clubs would jump in knowing park can spot a gem.
Mac1888

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I've heard a rumor that the player we are suppose to sign is Jonathan Pitroipa from Stade Rennais

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30 Jun 2013 13:25:19
Would anyone take Scott Sinclair on loan? Was quality a Swansea moved to city for the dosh and flopped and also struggled in the 1 cl game he played against Dortmund but a run of games and he could be back at his best. He's on 50k a week pay 20k of that I'd take it.

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Given the circumstances of course, but I only really approve of loan signings if there is potential for a permanent move, in this case there isn't so, no. Commons, Sammy, Forrest are good enough I think. And even at 20k are better value.

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30 Jun 2013 12:33:02
vic and hooper want to leave and we could get approx 17 mill, sell now and we could buy, philip hosiner (att, age 24. goals, 1 in 2.1) sadio mane( lw/mid, age 21, goals 1 in 2.5) robert zulj(att mid, age 21, goals 1 in 4 .1) for under or around 17 mill(if they are not gone already) . these 3 I chose as people on here talk about hosiner and when checking him out the other two stood out in the austrian league stats in positions we are looking to fill, 3 in two out no money spent and possibly a profit .i know other posters could fill these 3 names with other players at a similar price , but my point is that vic and hooper want away and will leave before the start of the season so act now and get replacements in before the cl campaign starts,,,, deep river bhoy

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This has got to be one of the worst posts ever celtic are not going to spend 17 million pound in one transfer window not now and not ever. they will look to hopefully get a couple of replacements in for around about the same price they paid for wanyama and hope to get a gem. hooper will be off to hull eventually and wanyama most likely to cardiff. but no way will you spend even close to 17 million.

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I don't think we should be spending 17 million on any amount of players. Scottish football is in meltdown, we should spend 5 million at the very maximum on New players. I know everyone wants a big signing bit I just don't think it would be a good move for our club

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NL has public all said he is half way through his summer signing policy which means he's looking for 2 more I'd say that if your wish list was correct then only two out of the three. But I think the signings will be a striker and a left back. More than likely players coming in will be free agents like Mouyokolo as cover plus stokes singing a new deal. As we spent 5mill approx can't see any 4mill players coming in now I

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Wishful thinking mate. We just won't be spending like that anytime soon. I do wonder what they will do with the money if we make it to the group stages say 3 years in a row because if it won't be spent on players it must be spent somewhere. Free entrance and strips perhaps. Ps I have seen much worse posts. Sopotcelt.

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Yes our football is in meltdown, BUT, we ARE NOT!we have to be clever but we have to spend just that little bit extra.17 mill from transfers, 10 mill fae champs league?Dont mess it up like we did after the legendary centenary year. Ian Andrews 300,000 grand for a back up goalie.A little bit of IMAGINATION and BALLS, would have got us PAUL MCGRATH, 400,000 GRAND.PAT NEVIN 90,000 GRAND.I WOULD BET MY SOUL WE WOULD NOT HAVE WENT TO GOVAN AND GOT PUMPED 5-1 .MGRATH AND MCARTHY I DREAMED OF THAT FOR WEEKS IN 87/88 . al geri. PS I hope russell of derby co.doesnt come back to haunt us.

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Put the money in the bank. Make John Park an offer to hold to him as he is key to the future if celtic and perhaps scottish footballs meltdown will lead to celtic employing a good lawyer to challenge the resistance of the EPL to allow them to play their. I'm certain work is being done behind the scenes to admit them and the few millions we save now will pale into insignificance for the riches of celtic as eventual higher earners of the big leagues. Scottish football is feck'd

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Russel wasn't needed, we have commons have you forgoten that it was commons who got us into the last 16 he was prop our most important player last year and you would drop him for Russel? You must be high mate. Your not much of a Celtic fan if you don't support the players at the club mate. P.s Russel is scottish they don't sell as well as foreign players. Hutton saw to that.

Darrenbhoy

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Your forgetting the basics of economics. Your estimating 27 mil made from transfers and CL. In comings. What about the outgoings stadium bank loans operating costs wages. We are in a great position better than most in the world but let's not focus on figures mentioned as realistically that money's not hard cash

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If we did pull in 17m, then surely to god another 5-6m will be spent.we need a left winger, poss cover for left back and another striker

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We can all dream of celtic spending 17million in one summer, not going to happen I hate to say. Gazdcelt

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Worst post guy, I never said we would spend 17 I said we could spend 17 mill, wanyama is most likely a one off at that price and you want to get a couple at that price and hope for the best , economics guy I wasnt estimating 27 mill transfers or the cl money I was estimating the price of two players(who are leaving and need replaced) going by what I read they are worth, any outgoings would remain the same if they stayed and if we got the players I named(or any others) for less it would mean a profit towards out goings so if your an economist you must be a rubbish one, to the post about banking it, why, 17 million in the bank doesn't replace our top scorer or best midfielder, sopotcelt yes it is wishfull thinking mate but when are we going to have potentially 17 mill to spend again (and that is money not coming out of the clubs coffers), to john park guy why tie johns hand to the bargain buys and hope they come good I wonder how many players he could reccomend with a 17 mill budget mate,, i'm not saying spend for the sake of it but to replace our top scorer and best mid, deep river bhoy

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I've fantasised about us signing Mane for a while now. Sure we're not going to spend £17m but he'd certainly be one affordable player. Direct replacements are the priority for me though if these two are sold. A goal getter and a powerful box to box holding mid.

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You said 17mil for tge two players on top of 10 mil from CL. = 27. Yes outgoings remain the same however you add interest on to that money and it adds to balance sheet and can be offset on outgoings if required. I'm not an economist but these are facts. Unless your from the David Murray Craig Whyte school of running business why put all or a sustantual amou g of profit on replacing VW when we already have players to cover. I agree a striker but we have to spend in excess of 4mil on a striker of hoops quality it's not going to happen.

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Non economist guy what are you talking about I never mentioned cl money, so you must be from the newco school of seeing what you want to see, and if the money stays in the bank yes you get interest but you don't replace your top scorer or best midfielder, would you rather bank 17 mill (or whatever figure we get)and bring in cheap/loan players like miku, lassad murphy, etc, or spend it on quality replacements? my point is if we get 17 mill then use it all, even count van dijk and balde in this figure 5mill? leaving 12 mill we will have strengthened using other clubs money and put any planned budget(summer and winter) nl had into the bank as profit/bonus,,, deep river bhoy

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Deep river boy. I think I was supporting you more than being critical. You got a good thread going so good stuff. Sopotcelt.

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Sopot celt I wasnt having a dig, I was agreeing with you that it is wishfull thinking, and as you say if the money doesn't go on the team where will it go?but this would be strengthining the team for the future without money coming out of the club directly, i'm not even one to fall out with people and so for those who want to unearth a "gem " for a million then great let's do that,,, but buy 17 of them,,,, deep river bhoy

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Football is all about winning. You win by having the best players. Most of the time anyway. If we have the money we should spend it. The board have done a great job normalising the fans expectations to what they want fans to accept. that's all well and good when we are in a weak position. The sin is not to kick on from a position of strength. If we don't move forwards we go back. We need at least one top recognised signing. I would personally use as much as it takes to get the guy with extra quality. As long as we remain solvent and have the cash then what is the issue? Being realistic is one thing. Bending over to the strategy of the board at every opportunity is quite another. As long as everyone is aware that even big signings flop at times but surely we need to take a few quantified risks in the transfer market. Ten mistakes at a million a time are actually worse than one big mistake as you have to work ten times as hard to offload the ten smaller failures. And we have had ten at least in the past few years. Sopotcelt

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Who says watt or mcgeaoch or twardzik aren't the replacements? Why spend 17 mill when we could at least try these 3 for free. If only 1 is ready for 1st team then so be it, we gona win the league anyway and I'd love to see our youth getting a chance over some foreigner coming in for millions and flopping. Remember fortune? I'd much rather have watt

Darrenbhoy

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No problemo. I agree however if we flop and don't make the group stages its not my neck on the line. Quality players win matches for you. We are all cacking ourselves at the prospect of meeting a half decent team and getting done over. How much of a potential loss is that? A sensible approach is to invest in at least one quality proven player to help ensure we get through and develop our players at the same time. There are plenty winter wednesdays for the young guys to prove themselves in. Sopotcelt.

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What, is Brown, ledley, commons, mulgrew not good enough, all have cl exp, all have performed at the top level including internationaly these guys are who will get us through the qualifiers we don't really need anyone else a few "cover" players is about it, our youth squad has a lot i'd potential aswell so I see no reason at all to piss all that hard earned cash up a wall buying mercenaries who don't give a hoot about us or our club.

Darrenbhoy

In lenny I trust

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Who said anything about buying mercenaries? that's your take on things. My point is pretty clear. I think we need one quality tried and tested european CL player to ensure we get through the qualifiers. I also think on a related point the fans deserve a signing to get the juices flowing. You think we have enough in the locker. Good stuff. But let's be reasonable. All football players with very few exceptions care only abput their bank balance. Sportsman are selfish self centred individuals. They only give a hoot about themselves and I include 99% of the Celtic players. Its not Bertie Auld and Billy Mcneil these days. Sopotcelt.

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