02 Apr 2013 19:36:03
Hello
It takes a lot for me to lose interest (cannot recall it ever happening before) but post Juventus we have been utterly lifeless. Many have commented on a similar theme. From back to front. Forster is no longer a show stopper; more of an average joe who is coming off a very rich vein of form (what happened?). Izzy is a continual target for every opposing team's midfield and attackers. Lump in a high ball and watch him crumble. The Buddies "goal" at the weekend when Izzy pushed the opponent in to Forster was a nonsense. His defensive qualities have been sorely lacking for a VERY long time and it worries me that he doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. Awareness nil. Repeat errors is his only consistent contribution. Extremely worrisome. Our central defenders are a non-event. Wilson perhaps get slight pass marks and Efe maybe can be considered a "work in progress" at 23 (looks about 40 but there you go!) and then over on the right we have Matthews and Lustig or Chuck Mulgrew. Lustig for me is most improved player and I actually like his general consistency. Here is a lad that knows his limitations and plays to his strengths. In the middle of the park we miss Brown's tenacity. I am not his biggest fan but the lead-legged Ledley and on the boil/off the boil Wanyama, plus the (let's keep passing the ball sideways despite there being 40 yards of space to run in to) Israeli known as Kayal would not make any person want to get out their bed for a 12 30 kick off. Forrest at least gives us a slightly different dynamic and option. But then he'll be away for £10m to Spurs (hmm LOL) one too many zeros me thinks. Up front we are all over the place. We have ever had a settled two. Hooper's mind is elsewhere and Samaras is a left midfielder (I've decided); he is never (ever!) a striker and his goals to game ratio domestically must be the worst ever "return" for a Celtic starter! Stokes (cheerio) ; talented yes but (let's just say) lacks football intelligence. The also rans (Miku and Lassad) haven't worked out. Now, I LOVE my team but I do not enjoy watching also rans working at half-pelt and picking up £10k-£15k-£20k a week; it is insulting. We need hungry players and we need to see consistency week to week & above all, we need to see players progressing and improving.
Here is a brain teaser; what Celtic player is currently "improving"? Name a few if you can, even one. thought not
solution
Lennon out. let the big 5 or 6 go. raise £20m. and bring in a lower profile ambitious manager (maybe Larsson or Coleman) and spend money on Scotland's best youth talent and mix it up with some trusty journeymen; forget CL qualification for now, get the cost base down and let's develop a decent core of 5 to 6 young players who will give us 4 good years and then re-cycle. we NEED to stop the 1 year or 1/2 year "wonders" who turn up for half a game and then want away to Southampton; it unsettles everyone and does us no favours!
Hail Hail
I don't agree with Lennon out! Lennon very much in my opinion. He lives and breathes the club and no one right now will do better. The one thing that would be better is better ref's!
Fran
Mate what are you smoking Ledley and wanyama are superb
Was quite an interesting post till it got to 'solution'
Is it just me, or are there loads more unnamed posters recently? Or are they all the same person?
kbt1978
Been waiting for someone as narrow minded as you to come on and comment about football. Might I ask first of all before people get on this and start commenting are you a Sevco fan throwing in a bit of banter? A Celtic fan trying to stir something up or go for April fools?
As everything you have just written I seriously think had no brain power behind it.
The amount of things Lennon has had to put up for the club is more than any of us alone can say has any of our families been threatened, have you been attacked on several occasions, scrutinized by the media and been told to hide your nationality just for the sake of loving the team you support. I doubt it and any Celtic fan on this who says they can why has no one else heard of this.
To remove a true Celtic hero from the ranks of manager for making it to the last 16, winning a league title, most certainly winning another this year and potentially a Scottish cup for god sake that is - the last 16, the league and the Scottish cup all in one season yet you want his head.
Now assuming that your going on about youth development and stuff your probably being vacuumed into the mess of our national team over the last few weeks. It is not up to Celtic to develop that team and as for going on about how the teams of the past have been successful (if I would even say that) might I remind you and any other person who hasn't yet noticed it would take a hell of a lot for the players of previous generations to make it into some of the footballing sides of today unless developed properly. There is now Sports Science, Dieticians, Psychologists and a varied amount of technology and to a degree of discrimination upon football today. In theory if your not 6 feet + or there about you don't make it into a professional you are not deemed athletic enough. Look at the likes of Jinky, McStay, Strachan, Charlie Nicholas, David Cooper, Bobby Lennox, Kenny Dalglish, Dennis Law etc. not one of them were by 6ft now the problem is not that we don't pick smaller players its we go for the tall athletic guy with less talent at his feet and play route one lump the ball at times. No one in football is slow anymore or at least no footballer would get away with hitting the booze and showing up to a game as its a different type of game now. So as for we should invest for Scottish youth maybe we should work further into who we select and how we educate lads rather than just assume were getting it all wrong.
Back to the Celtic squad and as a fan "We don't care if we win, lose or draw, Darn the hair do we care, Because we only know that there's going to be a show, And the Glasgow Celtic will be there. " now I don't know about you but I am faithful through and through and will take the good with the bad. I bet you were shouting the praises to Wanyama, Forster, Hooper, Mulgrew, Matthews, Ledley after the Barcelona game if that is all you do then your not a Celtic fan but a glorified football fan like these Man City fans that appeared from no where. I am not holding onto one game i'm showing you the highlight of our season - the biggest achievement over a 90 minute game in years. If you look at our team see that confidence is a bit low, injuries occur, we don't have anyone biting our ankles for the title and some unlucky refereeing decisions then maybe you'll accept that we've took our foot off the gas and its time we started getting behind the team and cheer them on for the title rather than slander them. I hope that none of our players leave and that if they do we invest at least a fair amount of that back into players who we might get a season or two of great performances and then sell them on because unfortunately that is what we have to do for the moment.
We have some really good players in the squad some maybe even one day world class we've seen what they have let's get behind them and hopefully we get back to our best.
C'mon the Hoops
Gaz
Away & pap peas at my arse, your solution is nonsense & financial suicide. Let's flip the debate & look at the majority who sit on there hands & the only time you here them is to slate or moan at our players expecting to be entertained on visiting Celtic park. The support from the stands is the most non vocal or non supportive I have witnessed since the old board. The green brigade who I do not always agree with when there throwing the toys out the pram on occasion, support in a manner I can relate to & feel this is how it should be. Against united when the ref from the weekend Madden wrongly gave a pen for Adam Mathews challenge the crowd got behind the team vocally result 6-2 by the way the gb weren't present at that fixture. The amount of posters on here who say parkhead would be like a morgue if it wasn't for the gb are spot on, look to the season before last lenny getting bullets & bombs in the post the Celtic support rallied & backed the bhoys the last day of the season although we lost the title what a party what an atmosphere. Last year when the ugly bigots of Scotland went bust, oh how we laughed the place was buzzing the banter was flowing from the stands the bhoys overturned a 15 point deficit. Too many think we have a devine right to win all trophies & games 5-0 that is a mentality that was the downfall of Glasgow bangers imo & unfortunately for them the custodians of Glasgow bangers believed it too along with the puppets at the sfa. AbS HH
This is April 2. The first of April was yesterday DH
Lennon out and bring in an ambitious manager? well let me tell u one thing managers don't come more ambitious than neil lennon and no one who u mention will be more hungrier than him, neil eats and sleeps celtic and the last thing any celtic fan wants (except you) is a manager coming in for the pay cheque. is this guy for real?
and then you go on about us keeping costs down we have done that, celtic are more financialy stable than they have been in years and racking in cash at the moment, not like that mob on the other page throwing money about like there is no tomorrow getting there self into the mess that put them there in the first palce
. wee darren
Hey secvo you lost me at "HELLO" the customary greeting of Sevconians.
02 Apr 2013 22:58:38
O. P not sure about your solution but certainly agree with a lot of your points. First of all like all Celtic fans I have the utmost respect for Lenny and love his passion for the club. Now my opinion on Lenny as a football manager. His record doesn't come near to Strachan who was hounded out by the boo boys, Lenny and his players have already thrown away a title at Inverness, lost cup games at Hampden against Ross county, Oldco Rangers, Kilmarnock, Hearts and St Mirren, about to win the SPL with the lowest points total in it's history. This is a terrible record for a Celtic manager if we want to be honest, and before anyone says we made last 16 on a shoestring budget, plenty other European teams have done the same and even made last 8 on a lot less of a budget than ours. We have hopefully (two) important games left this season, Lenny you've got to win the cup this year, if not i'm afraid your time should be up. Stevie
03 Apr 2013 00:27:53
Not a chance Lenny out. I firmly believe he is going to be a magnificent manager. He has so much passion for the club, the game in general and is willing to adapt and take lessons from every positive or negative result. I really hope to see him with us for a long time. Long Live Lenny! LLL!
Kisy
Quick question why is it when someone has a rant. People harp on about leaving a name what is the difference. if you leav a name or not
Leave a name or not, manner's might be the answer. It would also help to know who you are having a debate with. Op really think you need to go and lie down in a darkened room, it's a game of football, for you to come out and slate nearly every player is a joke, ( especially the one about James Forrest ). You asked who was improving, then answer yourself ( Lustig ). As for getting rid of Lennon, truly laughable, as is anyone who agree's with this part. Keep taking the tablet's mate I am sure it will get better
Tambhoy {Ed007's Note - The majority of anonymous posts usually just get deleted. An opinion doesn't really matter if nobody knows who's opinion it is, good manners cost nothing.}
I read the OP and laughed, but when "Coleman" got a mention I nearly wet myself. Lennon has developed as a manager and a person beyond recognition this season, the team has been a credit to the club yes we have lost some games we should have won, but hey I'd take this season over and over again. But then again I'm one of the 7,000 or so season ticket holders who were there in the Hampden year so I know what it is to appreciate where we are.
Allan J
Take it your a rangers fan of your saying "Lennon out" what an person you really are if you're saying stuff like that,
Remember Tony Mowbray after Gordon, appoint a younger ambitious manager and give him millions to spend haha? 4m on that dud fortune, we ended up with josh Thompson and hooiveld that season so get a bit a sense lol, lennys completely turned the coin into a great project which is nowhere near finished,
do you really think Coleman would get to the last 16 of the cl and beat Barcelona, comon man stop posting nonsense
Greenbhoy67
We are woeful right now and I wouldn't fancy our chances against anyone just now. lennon seems clueless as well he can't seem to get anything more out of them and his tactics are shocking.
Totally nonsense you contradict yourself OP get the cost base down but want Coleman who would cost far more than Lenny, forget about a huge revenue stream that holds your interest and why reduce our cost base when the current squad and manager got us into the CL, providing us with a healthy profit
If you're not interested anymore away and watch the telly or maybe stroll down the road (and a few division ) and watch one of glasgows other teams
Hey Partick Thistle aren't so bad. What other Glasgow team is worth watching anyway? Sopotcelt
The guys got an opinion like everyone else doesn't mean he's a Sevconian. Under lenny we've lost far to many important games and 3 in a row at Hampden could be more? We've been terrible since January in the league and about to win the league with the lowest points total ever. I love lennys passion for celtic but I don't think he's quite good enough to be our manager never have that's my opinion try shoot me down if you want but my question to half of you is do you all have season tickets? if no don't even comment. I pay over 600 quid for my season card and wot we are producing isn't nearly good enough!
The Raff
Hey The Raff. I see you appear to be putting conditions on who is and who isn't allowed an opinion, now I may be picking you up wrongly but it does look like when an opinion is given is it then up to you whether that person has any validity in expressing their feelings according to your own self imposed rules and possible censorship. The rule being are you a present season book holder. that's a dangerous road to travel my friend and its a position I take issue with. Sopotcelt
Sopotcelt i'm fed up hearing people that only see 1 or 2 celtic games a year a cup semi final or the last day of the sesson if we are about to win the league shouting that we are great or wotever no offense to you or people thst can't afford sesson cards but lenny can't do no wrong just cause of everything he's went thru in some ppls eye. Wee strachan got hounded out for much less that's all i'm saying.
The Raff
The Raff. Its totally cool you have opinions but I hope you see my point. Disagreeing is perfectly normal and being peed off with other fans whatever the reason is pretty common; but what you cannot do or allow yourself to do is undermine the genuine comments and opinions of like minded Celtic men just because they in your opinion don't deserve to make a comment. Fortunately or unfortunately geniuses and fools, the powerful and the weak, the rich and the poor are allowed their opinions. When we seek to control opinion because it doesn't suit us then we are heading for the sewer. My god even the dreaded Sevconians are allowed their opinions no matter how ridiculous. I do share many of your frustrations and I know your comments are not personal and neither are mine. Sopotcelt
03 Apr 2013 21:22:29
Greenbhoy you mention Mowbray who I despised as a manager, i'm not sure the points he mustered in 3/4 of a season but I would imagine it wouldn't be far behind Lenny's this season and this season is without the team formerly known as Rangers. You also mentioned Hooiveld who is now plying his trade in the premiership and a wasted 4million on Fortune, remind me how much did Lenny waste on Bangura? My problem with Lenny is his record in domestic cups as I mentioned in my earlier post, totally unacceptable. Stevie
Larsson is a legend but l don't think l would want him as our manager just yet. Look at the cheekie chappie over at the bigotdome for an example of that. Coleman looks a good manager but l don't think beating Scotland twice is any great achievment.