Celtic Rumours Archive May 25 2012

25 May 2012 23:25:44
Ed, hearing that rangers are now taking the sfa to court regarding the transfer embargo, not sure if true but I'm just wondering if it will have implications on us, as I remember there was talk of FC Basel being put out of the last 16 last year and a possible reprieve for man utd? Any info would be appreciated! {Ed007's Note - It is in another thread:

www.celticrumours.co.uk/celtic-rumours/celticrumours8482.php

Apologies {Ed007's Note - No worries, don't be daft.}

25 May 2012 21:49:22
Just seen someone on twitter say Celtic ar close to signing Jose bosingwa from chelsea. Please tell me this is crap talk ed?. {Ed007's Note - Ask whoever posted it on Twatter.}

Jose bosingwa and any other premier league player is to good for Celtic or the SPL so stick to the championship players or player who are 35

25 May 2012 18:54:19
Darlington relegated 4 divisions for failing to reach an agreement with their creditors ooooooooooops lol
Hobbybhoy

Third administration in 7 years two previous agreements were .74% and a whopping 0.009% BILL OF �404736 settled for �3.76 wonder what they offered this time that HMRC wouldnt accept

25 May 2012 18:07:54
Just been reading that the fighting fund is going to pay the legal fees for this! These people are meant to be football people (apparently) and really should be aware of cases like sion etc. I have a feeling that today marks a very grave day as a whole for scottish football. UEFA can no longer turn a blind eye and must now intervene.

This could result (probably won't) in us being banned from europe too, to potentially scottish football losing recognition with the worlds governing bodies! These of course are extremes and one must question the motives of the administrators in this action.

Are they acting out of lack of knowledge? Probably. Are they acting out of blatant disregard ( like others and myself further down have suggested) for all other clubs in scotland I feel this is a possibility. Throughout this whole scenario they have bleated about the impact to scottish football. Then in a week where there have been more chairmen saying further punishments are probably required and a week when some revelations about more of what's gone on at the club in the past and by duff and phelps are they reacting with the only defiant last hurrah they can in an attempt to try and show it may be folly to penalise rangers because they will just go out of their way to bring more embarrassment to the national game and bring possible sanctions to every level of the sport in the land!

The SFA now cannot be weak. I for one am still astonished they even considered sending QC's to this case. It shows to me and possibly UEFA that they recognise the action taken by Rangers. This should not sit well with UEFA and does not sit well with me. The saddest fact now is that all supporters of all clubs now have to completley rely on the SFA alone now! No chairman votes etc to let clubs have a say.

I as stated early am very angered by this action, and actually the more I think with the possible reprocussions of it is actually far worse than any deed the club has done before. I do however applaud the bears on the other site who have recognised that this court action is not a good idea at all. But my only thought on this scenario now is that Rangers must be expelled from the SFA. For how long I do not know but for scotland to suffer the wrath of UEFA I feel they must have their licence revoked. Otherwise UEFA will act against the SFA and we and other clubs could well be left in limbo. Highly unlikley that other clubs will face european ban as I like to think the SFA will have to adhere to what should be a UEFA ruling to expell Rangers Football Club (In Administration) from the sport.

We have entered another very awkward and dangerous episode in this whole saga. I just hope the SFA do what they must!

I understand a lot of this is doomsday stuff. But we need only cite sion ans the swiss FA as an example of what UEFA can threten if they don't get what they want!

Evinguu

I think we should be ok.I don't think the SFA will sit back and watch innocent clubs get hammered.Our books are in good working order,we are 37 in top 50 football brands and i hope that counts for something.

Jungle Bhoy.

Look at the whole Sion fiasco, it ended up an mortal embarrassment for everyone at Sion & the Swiss FA.

Their argument 'If the additional sanction was to remain in place for all or the material part of the transfer window the prejudice on the petitioners would be utterly irretrievable'�

I know i'm getting on a bit...but what does that mean.. lol ? Mrs E

Not Doomsday stuff at all. This shower of idiots could now have a major adverse effect on the whole of Scottish football. EUFA and FIFA always look for a way to flex muscles especailly when it involves minnows with little clout (face it SFA are clowns and this adds the make-up) I can see ALL Scottish clubs banned from Europe all because dumb and dumber think they are clever! CW and SDM should be deeply investigated and jailed {Ed007's Note - It didn't seem to affect Swiss teams or the national team.}

Mrs E, I think it just means woe is us!! Our club was rooked by all and sundry before now and yous are not playing fair cos you punished us fairly and actually within the remit of the rulebook even though the specific punishment was not written exactly as you issued it in the examples. Therefore we are left with no alternative to take court action that if you do not act upon will cause the certain complete demise of scottish football as a whole. .... Give or take a few words lol

JB you are probably right It is a very long shot but I'm irked cos now the potential is there! Same statement to last poster.

Ed is right tho it didn't affect the swiss national team or the league too much, my irk is that it can happen the swiss fa only acted as they were threatened, can we seriously see our SFA having the balls to do what the swiss done? Probably cos they will have no choice.... I bloody hope anyways.

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - The Swiss FA played a flanker, they backed the legal decision and then basically pled ignorance, allowing the Court of Arbitration for Sport to decide. When they found in UEFA's favour Sion were deducted 36 league points by the Swiss FA after FIFA/UEFA instructed them that the whole association could face sanctions. If UEFA/FIFA didn't bother about little backwaters like Switzerland and Scotland then they would have imposed their own ban, meaning Man Utd being reinstated and Basel would have not have been in the CL draw for the first knock-out stages. Who do you think UEFA would rather have seen in that draw? This is nothing about money or power, just like the Sion case, it is about FIFA/UEFA policing their own business and seeing their rules obeyed by it's members, the sporting integrity of both bodies and it's member associations and the interests of 'fair play' and sporting integrity. All clubs and associations know the rules, and their membership of UEFA shows they have agreed to abide by them.}

Evingu, i clicked "Believable" because i do actually agree with most of the points you make.
However, my thoughts are that everyone has gone way overboard about this.
EBT's were legal until 2010,when the goalposts were moved.
RFC are adamant that the authorities,and HMRC were aware that various clubs ran them.
The "wee tax case" has been accepted by RFC,what we are challenging is the penalties/charges.
HMRC owe RFC an explanation as well. How was it that EBT's were allowed for so long without being challenged?
As i've said before,i would rather go to Div 3,and start again,rather than struggle to compete,while subsidising SPL.
If...RFC do lose the BTC, then there must be overwhelming evidence against them. Why has it taken so long then, if Mark Daley said the other night"EBT scheme is actually straightforward?
P.O.B.

I believed that member clubs are not allowed to take their FA's to court, a point re-iterated by Paul67 in his latest piece. So Duff and partners are taking on UEFA as well. This will have ramifications but for Rangers. It will also force the SFA to act. Can the administrators be that thick or is their an ulterior motive in all of this.

Personally after the Jorge Cadete saga many years ago, i have never had any faith in the SFA.

Didn't sion take UEFA to court what's to say they won't just turn a blind eye because its against the sfa n not UEFA {Ed007's Note - No.}

26 May 2012 16:29:06
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/news/newsid=1750524.html

Um apparently yes {Ed007's Note - Where in there is there anything about UEFA turning a blind eye to anything? Sion took their own FA to court before UEFA got involved. At least try and read what is in front of you.}

25 May 2012 18:10:16
Ed can you tell me if rangers go bust will they lose Ibrox and Murray park or will the new co play there ? {Ed007's Note - They will be sold, probably to the newco.}

Murrurrurry park its called now.

If Ipox goes on sale in the open market would it not be worth buying by Celtic themselves or Celtic minded investors. This would guarantee a stranglehold over the dark side - forever.

25 May 2012 16:04:00
Ed I remember a while back reading a link from here about The Lions and man utd during 1967. Do you or anyone know where I can see it?I want to show my da and my mate it.Thanks big chap.

{Ed007's Note - Is this it mate?

jockstein67.blogspot.co.uk/

Fantastic Ed007 !! :-) Mrs E {Ed007's Note - Thank you.}

That's it ed. Cheers

That's a brilliant read that.

Sorry ed just seen Mrs Es post, did you write it? {Ed007's Note - Yes it was me.}

Excellent piece Ed.Wish i was alive back then,would've loved to have seen that team in their prime.

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - It would have been amazing JB. When you sit and listen to guys like Bertie Auld telling their stories it shows how special the team and club actually are.}

Have read it previously and just read it again. A great piece Ed, well done.

K-Dot. {Ed007's Note - Cheers.}

Bertie's absolutely amazing.One of the funniest guys i've ever met.

Jungle Bhoy.

25 May 2012 16:48:58
i really need someone to explain this to me, rangers owe hearts £800,000 for wallace they owe rapid vienna £1.2m for jelavic and i think another 3 teams from europe for loan players . why should the tansfer embargo be removed when they have not paid for players who have left them in jelavic's case for £5m then pocketed the money. now the part that really confuses me .they say we can't afford to pay our debt so we want a cva . but once we get a cva we want to spend millions on new players , surely those millions they want the tranfer embago lifted for should go into the cva , am i being really thick here or do i just not understand the peepuls accountancy skills.. bb

Bb - you are not thick, you are looking at this from a strong moral point of view, and on moral grounds everything you say is correct and I fully agree with.

The trouble is, that Rangers can use various strategies to "get off" with paying the vast majority of their debts.
It is wrong, but legally they can do it.

This is why sanctions for taking such action should be extremely severe, so as to make it the last course of action any club would ever consider, not one of the first.

The sanctions should be far more severe than that which currently stands or is being proposed.

Many Rangers supporters just don't get this, they don't understand why they should be punished severely.

I still think liquidation is the likely outcome, but I strongly believe that they should not be alowed straight back into the SPL.

K-Dot

25 May 2012 15:52:55
Ed correct me if i am wrong... but is this not a complete and utter balls up by Rangers??

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18211947

www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=9291

Surley now UEFA or FIFA have to get involved? they are not allowed to appeal this in this fasion are they not?

Could this be yet another major major blunder from Duff and Duffer ?

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - During the whole Sion saga I went into details about UEFA's stance on anyone challenging football authorities through legal means, that in itself breaks UEFA/FIFA statutes. I said on here last week I wouldn't have advised Rangers to go down this route, it could get very messy now. UEFA ALWAYS win, ever since the Bosman case. To put it simply (not meaning you are simple mate lol), it's their ball, play by their rules or else.}

Ach Ed always assume I am a simpleton i wont mind lol

I am very worried about this action, hence why i was asking the questions in the way I did.

I cannot think of any other way out of this but to expel Rangers from the SFA. AS basically Rangers have spat the dummy out and said if we cannot play in Europe, no one can. If we cannot continue to exist.. no one else should be able to and we will take them down with us in the only way we know how... get them expelled with us from UEFA.

This is being defended by the same guy who was at the hearing and the appeal! Why didnt he put across a case then?

This is very very worrying indeed. I am even suprised at why the SFA have sent a QC? Why they do not answer to this judgement! the answer to UEFA/FIFA!

A very worried and slightly angered
Evinguu

25 May 2012 15:15:57
My fellow Tims not sure what to make of this but I've just seen Gary Caldwell walking out of an estate agents in Glasgow ! Went in after him to see if I could find out if the rumours of him moving back to Glasgow to play for Celtic were true . but the estate agents wouldn't say much apart from the blatant clown who just chuckled .

MR GREENFingers

Did he get his heed stuck in the door.

K-Dot.

I know this is a long shot, but do u think he was in estate agents to deal with buying or selling a house???

Selling i hope

Would Lenny want him back?

Is he not in USA with the Scotland squad for the game tomorrow.

Hope no!!

He's in America,ya nugget.

Jungle Bhoy.

The guy's welcome back in Glasgow any time just not anywhere near Celtic please, he's p1sh!
Iain

25 May 2012 14:25:19
Simpson - 7
Craig - 1
Gemmell - 18
Murdoch - 12
McNeil - 29
Clark - 4
Johnstone - 23
Wallace - 7
Chalmers - 5
Auld - 3
Lennox - 10
Fallon - 0

Total - 119 Scottish International Caps/

Scotlands greatest ever team.
On today's anniversary the number of caps these legends of the Scottish game is the establishments shame. Not one earning enough caps to be
entered into the Scottish Footballing Hall of fame.

But we are paranoid, that we have a nictim mentality. Glasgow Celtic fighting for a level playing field since 1888.

Liam

That is pretty shocking.imagine how much better the scotland team would have done if there wasnt bias.lennox having no caps beggard belief and jinky only 23 is embarrasing

I think this may be pushing the "establishment" cry too far. Those guys probably did win less caps than their ability/performances merited BUT you have to take into account that there are a hell of alot more internationals nowdays than there were when those guys were at their peak.

TerribleBeauty

Nonsense terrible beauty because booby charlton has over 100 caps!
Rangers players would be picked as they were the establishment team just like in ukraine, they only used to pick from dynamo kiev and not shaktar

Was reading an article on Bobby Lennox last night : Over 600 games for Celtic and scored 273 goals and might have had a lot more but for flag happy linesmen unable to comprehend his astonishing pace. Sir Bobby Charlton said " If Id had Lennox in my team I could have played forever. He was one of the best strikers I've ever seen. Alfredo Di Stefano said " The Scotsman who gave me most trouble was Bobby Lennox , and although I remember the Bernebau rising to Jimmy Johnstone I admired Lennox greatly.10 caps= disgrace . Hail the Buzzbomb.......DH

From the period May 27 1965 - 01 June 1975 there were roughty a total of 83 Scottish International games played.

THERE WAS ACTUALLY MORE THAN IS PLAYED TODAY....which highlights the predudice towards our club from the establishment.....the great thing about facts and stats is that they do not lie, there is not arguement against the evidence available and the shameful bias by the establishment against Scotlands all time greatest club team.

Of All the players with over 50 international caps for Scotland ONLY 7 represent or have been associated with Celtic Football Club in one way or another.

Kenny Dalglish - 102
Paul McStay - 76
Tommy Boyd - 72
Danny McGrain - 62
Kenny Miller - 59
John Collins - 58
Roy Aitken - 57

In over 124 years of History we can only manage 7? something not quite right with those stats and facts.

Liam

For,mainly this reason, and also with Roxburgh putting the maestro at sweeper for a couple o games I have no interest in Scotlands football side, never have.

in living memory our players and fans have been made to feel unwelcome,dare I say hated, by Scotland supporters I have always felt more for the republic than the backwater.

personally I feel nationality has more to do with blood and heritage rather than place of birth. I have Irish blood and heritage and choose not to spit in the face of my ancestors by supporting a shower who have openly voiced their dissatisfaction,amongst other things, that we are in their country by choosing to cheer on Scotland.

I hope I'm not alone in this but I'm not changing, regular argument with my mates. They say I'm bitter -I say no I'm moraled.

Jamie Mac(knows where he's accepted)

Scotland best ever player only having 23 caps :D

It's a fact that during this period Celtic players were booed when they played for Scotland.

K-Dot.

During Lennox's career 1962 - 1980, Scotland played around 140 games. In the following 18 years, Scotland played around 203 games.

I need say no more....

TerribleBeauty

Dalglish when he was at celtic was giving a torrid time playing for scotland until he moved to liverpool, then he became KING KENNY and thats a fact...........

Terrible - That does not even make sense the point your trying to make.....like saying 60% of the time is work all the time....
the stats of fixures between the dates i gave are on the SFA website. facts are facts. bottom line is a player held in such high regard throughout the footballing world can only amass 10 caps from a glittering club career from a country the size of ours? even the most blinkered of people have to see there is something strange about that.
The you have Jimmy, agruably the greatest Scottish Footballer of all time only given 23 caps, the most capped player being Dalglish was in awe of Johnstone that there was no better player in the country, even Wullie Henderson a great friend of Jimmy's and played in the same position could not understand how he had so few caps to represent his country. On this day of celebration amongst the celtic family let us not forget what we as a club and way of life have been and are up against where the Scottish Football and Media Establishment are concerned.

Liam

I have follow celtic for 40 years home , away (including europe) and I have never been to a Scotland game , a stat I am very proud of.

Terrible still not responded to bobby charltons tally and if there is 140 internationals how many world beating strikers did scotland have that were better than a european cup winner?

You know what is the most gaulling thing about the SFA. They have inducted an englishman into the hall of fame and have excluded the ONLY Scottish team to have won the European Cup. Please can someone explain that decision to me. Every single one of those players and the players from Rangers, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd european winning sides should be in the Scottish hall of fame as we will never see it again in my opinion.

25 May 2012 13:48:58
been looking at all the recent players weve been linked with for the cf position and the two who have stood out to me are siggurdson(21) and charbonnier(23) both 6ft plus ,siggurdson looks more skillfull and charbonnier more direct but both look good and both would cost less combined than say rhodes and both look better than cox, a johnstone j daly and some others we have been linked with recently ,,,deep river bhoy

25 May 2012 12:30:36
Really simply...

you're coming to paint ma hoose.

we agree £1000 and as an aside agree to split the payment

I pay you £500 --- you get it and pay tax

I then pay £500 into a "trust" ( tax deductable?)

you then apply for a loan of £500 .... it's a loan so no tax :-)

nothing is ever put in place to repay the loan.

so far the above was a tax loophole that existed for some time.

The KILLER element is the side letters..... if there's anything at all that indicates that we agreed the £1000 as the price and not the £500 and/or anything that indicates the loan would never be re-paid then someone's going to be getting jail time


Lost Bhoy 50

25 May 2012 11:56:29
It is an embarrassment to Scottish Football that the SPL/SFA have yet to say or do anything on the back of the BBC documentary. What was known about the rule breaking and corruption from Rangers already is now firmly in the public domain. Even some sort of acknowledgement would be nice! I personally think the other clubs should be lobbying for UEFA to apply pressure, I know they will want it handled locally, but we all know the operating bodies in this country are farcical. Ogilvie for one should at least be suspended pending some sort of investigation.

25 May 2012 11:12:01
Just reading that Ruddy has broke his finger and won't get to play at the Euros for England - so they call up Birmingham City's reserve goalie who's never played a first team game for them. Forster is hardly the best keeper going but the last 2 seasons should surely have been taken into account? Seems like England managers have a real problem picking players from the SPL - making it more understandable that Hooper might want to be away to get a chance at international level as well. Reckon we're just going to have to sling a contract at him in line with the very top earners at the club and hope for the best. On a lighter note at least the suns out and it's nearly beer o'clock. Kevslug.

25 May 2012 11:00:40
I think Henriksen, Gordon, Rhodes, and Mills should all be signed as they are all brillant players and could help us go far in the Champions league, maybe even sign a keeper to be Zaluskas number 2 as i believe hes a great keeper

25 May 2012 00:51:32
Does anyone else feel that the spl sfa can only expell this cheating club after the bbc prog . ed what do you think. how can the sfa and spl justify keeping them in the league without looking like there helping a corrupt club.

hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed007's Note - A lot of people are starting to say that after the scale of the allegations, Marco. All I have ever asked was for the punishment to fit the 'crimes', within the rules of the game, no matter how soft or severe they are.}

Personally i think any judgement passed, has to be in the criteria of same punishments issued to any other team who has been in the same position.

Gretna reformed and are no longer a pro team. why should rangers be allowed to reform as a newco and stay in league?

What about your own EBT -
Rangers declared all EBTs, Celtic did not, the can of worms in now officially open, heres the quote from BBC

"Celtic confirmed that it established one EBT scheme in April 2005, which BBC Scotland understands was for the benefit of the Brazilian midfielder Juninho Paulista. The scheme was worth �765,000 but the club did not declare the trust payment to the Scottish Football Association or the Scottish Premier League. "

Shood the sfa then not be punished for allowing Campbell ogilvie to continue on the sfa board having knowing about the ebts but not disclosing it surely UEFA would see this as corrupt

Ill answer post about the gretna first they were liquidated due to there owner haveing a servere illness and didnt pay bills so they could have reform but no one gave them the money to go so ie pay players wages in new club rangers will get money also ed u say about rules getting enforced i thought there was no rules ie thts y they r meeting next week

As far as I am aware the Junhino EBT was wound up before it had any impact on the accounts in relation to paying taxes to HM Government agencies. As such there was no EBT to report to the SPL SFA or anyone else. All of this was done openly and recorded openly and is and was available for any authority to scrutinise. Compare this to the withholding of information by the administrators of RFC. Sopot Celt

The Juninho EBT has been mentioned countless times. Our new Chairman (at the time) took one look at it, knew it was wrong so made sure ALL monies were paid, including the tax. Our hands are clean.

TerribleBeauty

More importantly,how can Ogilvy,Doncaster and Regan stand by and do nothing,lets highlight them as they are dragging thier heels over this. If they wont act lets get them out!

DAnnybhoy