Celtic Rumours Archive June 21 2012

 

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21 Jun 2012 22:59:09
There seems to be a ground swell of opinion starting to build in favour of preventing Club12 from joining the SPL. At last the clubs have grown a pair! I think this could be a great opportunity to show the bears that they're not as crucial to Scottish football as they think they are. Let's get out there and buy our season tickets in our thousands. Let's see an increase from all clubs and let's have as many teams as possible putting up a good show in the league. Get rid of the negative football, play with flair and creativity and get the entertainment back. Let's hope we get 3 or 4 teams challenging strongly for the European places and that the Celts win the treble!

AC75

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Agree 110%,but wait until after they are voted out

Dannybhoy

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I agree - not so sure about treble though!

Jambo

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Great post mate, couldnt agree more! Here's hoping we get a good fight for the second champions league place, hearts, Dundee Utd and Aberdeen all battling it out = increased attendances for them!

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21 Jun 2012 22:20:54
It just shows you how powerful a statement that was from the CSA the other day and now a couple of days later two clubs have responded by saying no. No walks, no marches and no vile threats just a statement of intent about keeping sporting integrity in our game. Its a pity the old rangers(rip) fans didn't have that sort of clout as things might have been different.

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I dont think and i hope it wasnt the threat from the csa because that would make us the same as them trying to bully other clubs it was when they started there protests that made people turn against them . Tulip

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Irony agreed with the above hopefully we dont bully just democracy

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It would be nice to know which way the Celtic Board are going to vote? Whose the CSA anyway?

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Nothing like the same as them the CSA only wants what best for the game with nothing in it for them but on the other hand rangers (rip) fans threatened boycotts of clubs and sponsors for their own self indulgence and preservation even after the fact that they were caught cheating.... Big big difference

Briggs {Ed001's Note - yeah, I am sure they would have done exactly the same if it had been Hibs, not Rangers. Rubbish. This is just hatred. If it was anything else, it would have just been after the result had come in, not before. None of you care when Lennon is throwing a tantrum at the ref to make sure his next decision doesn't go against you, that's cheating. When your player pulls a shirt in the box, your only worry is that he might get caught and give away a penalty, but that's cheating. Your player dives and wins a penalty, do you get up a march to protest? No, but that's cheating. So please get off your high horse, it's just pathetic how many holier-than-thous pontificate about what a disgrace this is. Yes Rangers were a disgrace and need to be punished, but that is it, end of. None of this marching, it's just petty, from both sides.}

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So ed001 your saying that diving for a penalty or appealing a ref decision or any on the park stuff that happens around the world from amateurs to pros is on par with not paying your taxes, buying players you can't afford thus giving you an unfair advantage over other teams who are playing by the book( off the park) you also rate it alongside not paying the police service?the ambulance service ?other football clubs who they bought players from and then sold on?you rate it along side nearly putting small businesses out of business?not to mention the millions that they have stung the good old British public of from not paying their tax? The list is endless and why you try to compare all that with some onfield skulduggery to make a comparison is quite baffling.

Briggs {Ed001's Note - are you really that stupid? If so don't waste my time, because my point was clear, if you can't understand it, then I am not going to spend my time trying to explain something so simple. If you don't condemn cheating in all its forms, then you are condoning it. But you are only bothered because it is Rangers. Stop trying to be holier than thou. Your comparisons are mindless and nothing to do with the point I made, so please just give it a rest. Go and spout off somewhere else about sporting integrity because you clearly have known and are just a bitter rival fan who is revelling in the chance to put one over a rival and nothing more. By the way, try and learn what it actually means.}

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Edd 001 I'm not stupid maybe you should ask yourself that question. Maybe your getting bad sportsmanship getting mixed up with sporting integrity. A player or manager does not go out to play/ manage a game and intend to cheat they make a split second decision that maybe be a bad call and this could be deemed as cheating. What rangers did over the years was calculated cheating to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents. This is when sporting integrity gets called into question so maybe you try understand that.

Briggs {Ed001's Note - you obviously are stupid if that is what you truly believe. You have never seen a Mourinho or Ferguson team play football, or any Italian or Spanish team for that matter. Neil Lennon deliberately set out to place pressure on referees too. You clearly still do not understand what you are talking about, you still do not understand what the phrase means. If a player makes a split second decision to dive, as you ridiculously suggest that it is with no intention to cheat, why do they not get up and say that it wasn't a foul? Now please try and understand some basic English, there is no sporting integrity in football, it is all about the money. It is not difficult to understand, I just can't see why you are finding it so difficult.}

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Ed001 Obiously you are the stupid one here if you are saying ferguson/ mourinho send out teams to cheat every game and that every Spanish and Italian games played are won by cheating,maybe tell that to the barca fans! Also Lennon had every right to pressure referees after the 'dougiegate' affair. The only thing I don't understand is why you can't tell the difference between what happens in the park to what happens off it

Briggs {Ed001's Note - you really aren't that bright are you? You were the one pontificating about sporting integrity, yet you clearly don't even know what it is! You don't even know anything about the game, clearly you have never watched Busquets feign injury after injury in order to win free kicks and hopefully get an opponent a card. What difference? Are you really this dense? You think sporting integrity only matters off the pitch? Or perhaps it only matters when it is your rival that has cheated? Seems that way.}

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Sporting integrity explain the spl that was formed for more cash hardly sporting integrity what if the fans werent putting pressure on clubs would they vote rangers in a bet they would so wheres the sporting integrity from the clubs the only people that actually have sporting integrity are the fans who deserve to be applauded in that sense

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Edd001 I know nothing about the game? I've forgot more than you know. So you really are saying that ferguson and mourinho put teams out to cheat in EVERY game? and that all Italian and Spanish games are ALL won by cheating? jeez!.... And you say I'm not bright eh? Ps I always find that a person who continually tries to put someone down is usually trying to cover up their shortcomings and that has been the case tonight in your abusive replies.

Briggs {Ed001's Note - ok lad, you clearly are just wasting my time, also you are clearly no psychologist. Go away and play elsewhere, you have been making a complete idiot of yourself with your talk of sporting integrity without even knowing what it is. I am bored now, I prefer intelligent conversation, with people who actually have some knowledge of the game or just an idea what the words they are using mean. Bye bye.}

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21 Jun 2012 21:44:26
Here is what i know about the third kit at the moment.When i get more info i will post.

The top will be white,black shorts and black + green socks.No idea of style yet or exact date,hope to find out next week.

Jungle Bhoy.

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Cheers JB
Conor67

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21 Jun 2012 21:41:27
Latest info on the away kit for those waiting for items.

Socks - a substantial order is being delivered into the warehouse on Friday all stores will receive an allocation from this.

Infant kit – will be delivered into us on Saturday and all stores will receive an allocation from this.

Little Boys Kit – a limited amount is being delivered on Saturday stores will only receive what they have on pre-order.

All stores will receive the above deliveries on Saturday with the exception of Inverness, Dublin, Belfast and Derry who will receive the stock on their deliveries later next week.

The bulk order of the Little Boys Kit will be booked into our warehouse on Wednesday 27th and all stores will receive a full allocation from this delivery.

We are still chasing deliveries on all other away kit product and again once definite dates are known they will be communicated.

Jungle Bhoy.

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Thanks JB. Got to get shorts and socks for the youngest. He has had his top on every night when he has come in from school. Concerned it will be washed out before we can get him the rest of the kit.

Do you know if there are any plans to open another shop in Edinburgh? Shame it closed. It was always busy and Paul & Leanne ran it brilliantly. Nothing was too much bother to them.

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No plans that i've heard of.The shop wasn't doing well enough to justify the high rent.Agree about the staff,they were a good bunch.Derry is shutting shortly also.You should have asked your local shop to check the computer for your kid's shorts and socks as some shops still had some left.

Jungle Bhoy.

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The shop closed in January, as this was when lease expired and Celtic wouldn't renew. It was situated in between Princess Street and George Street, therefore the rent was extortionate. Could have found somewhere a lot cheaper than if they had looked.

Looks like he will have to wait until first game of the season, as I'm not driving through just for shorts & socks.

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21 Jun 2012 21:27:48
i think the majority of 'smaller' spl teams have missed a trick regarding season ticket sales.
those who are concerned about the loss of revenue should sevco5088 fc be booted out, should look at utilising a 'bid down' scheme like this:

1/ work out revenue from last season (£3m for example)
2/ set maximum price for season tickets (say £400)
3/ the more season ticket sales, the less the cost of a ticket, so in effect, they could double their season ticket holders, revenue would increase irrespective of sevco5088, and fans would save on the price of buying their st's

fans would know that the most they will pay would be the same as last year, but if they got more of their friends/family etc to join, then they would all save....who knows, the likes of killie could end up with 20,000 season ticket holders, and all they would have paid was £150!

......or is that too sensible?


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Most fans are not renewing ST because they want Rangers Newco in Div3 and telling their clubs so through not doing so, If they are readmitted to the SPL most will walk I agree pricing is an issue in regards to folk going to games as is live internet access to games on top of the SKY TV coverage

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You do know to only 2 stadiums in scotland (apart for the obvious) that have a capacity over 20,00. and so from what you say if they had sold 20,000 season tickets they would only get 3 million. which is the same as last year so would not be an improvement for they, it would probably be less for more clubs, so i dont think they have missed a trick

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You're missing the point mate, i was adding those figures as a general term, i haven't a clue how much the likes of kilmarnock make from season book sales and visiting fans.

my point was that clubs could say 'right, we got X last year, without newco we would lose Y, so we sell season tickets and tell our supporters that the more people who buy them, the cheaper they will be. the reduction in price would kick in once X was reached, meaning that losing newcos visiting fans are irrelevant.

so, forget the 3m, and 20k season ticket holders, that was just an illustration of how it would work


taco

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But arent stadiums only allowed an x amount of season ticket holders anyway depending on there size

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People forget when setanta went bust, clubs budgeted to compensate for loss of revenue.

The same will be done again without Rangers

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Good stuff Taco...If the clubs would only show some interest and creativity I am sure they would sell more tickets. I have seen some of these so called commercial managers at work. Some haven't got as much as a good housekeeping Scout badge qualification. They do like their expense accounts and free match day tickets though....Sopot Celt

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21 Jun 2012 21:19:18
wot about lookin into the possibility of gettin John Guidetti from man city
sored 20 in 23 games in holland last year and is 6"1' so could be a target
man. also heard flamini has been release from ac milan, i know wages will be high and we have loads of midfielders but great euro experience

greenhornet

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He is going to newcastle ive heard

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He was linked with a loan move to us a few weeks ago.
Then again it was from Talkspurt!
HH
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Guidetti would score a barrel load here

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21 Jun 2012 20:46:17
Do u know much bout blackstock ed
Reports on ssn that we've made a bid
Dez {Ed007's Note - Awful, awful player!}

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So you dont know much about him then ed {Ed007's Note - I obviously know more than you, which I imagine isn't difficult. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you need to act like a cretin. I was asked my opinion and gave it, what did you add to the conversation?}

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That bad lol we don't seem to be linked with
Anybody that good so far though a tend no
To read to much into the media
Dez {Ed007's Note - For a striker his goal scoring record is shockingly bad Dez. His goal ratio is 1 per every 3.5 games, that is nowhere near good enough for a striker. Might as well have McGinn or Daryl Murphy. I would rather see Bangura or Watt given their chance than Blackstock.}

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He's not even as good as awful

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I agree with the ed.he looked like a decent prospect a few years back but he hasnt progressed and rarely scores.weve already got a striker that doesnt score-samaras. one is enough!

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Where is all this blackstock talk coming from ed I can't find it anywhere?I agree he is terrible. Funny how all the ones that like to talk back don't leave a name?
Conor67 {Ed007's Note - Sly Spurts are reporting it Conor. I don't mind people disagreeing with my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own thoughts but at least have an argument to back up what you are saying, it is the whole point of a debate. Life would be so boring if everyone agreed and we wouldn't be on here!}

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I disagree. If you have actually watched him play and not just gone on goals to games ratio, he offers a lot.
He is good in the air, strong, can hold the ball up, can score (1 in 3 is not a bad ratio) and for a big bloke is quite quick.
Ayer coming back from a career threatening injury, he seems more focused and hungry.
I know all this because I like in Nottingham and go to every forest game, home and away.
I'd like to say well done last season and as my second team, purely because my dad bet rangers one day, so I went Celtic, hope you win again next season.
Ed34 {Ed007's Note - This is Ed034 lads, he is a Nottingham Forest fan.}

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I'm fairly prolific in the local coutny league I play in and at only 32 years old could do a better job than Blackstock! When I saw it on SSN this morning I thought of staying in bed all day cos it's obviously not gonna be a good day!

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21 Jun 2012 20:59:14
Dundee United tonight met with Supporters' groups to discuss the newco situation prior to the all club vote on the proposal to transfer Rangers share on 4th July.

Following what was a robust and constructive meeting, the Club's position on how we will vote was substantiated by the viewpoint of the various supporters groups. The meeting finished with all in agreement as to what the correct course of action would be.

The Board of Directors of Dundee United are unequivocal in the belief that a form of sporting punishment must form part of the reasoning behind any decision made and, therefore, cannot vote the newco into the SPL. General sporting integrity and, more importantly, the integrity of Scottish football must also play a significant part in the decision making process. It is our belief that any form of sporting punishment must be unambiguous in the message it displays.

The financial well being of the Club, both in the short and long term, must also be at the forefront of our thoughts. We would encourage our supporters to purchase season ticket books as a show of support to our Club. The Board of Directors will act in the best interest of Dundee United and our supporters and Scottish football on this matter. The financial consequences of not showing this support for our Club are extremely serious.

Conroy777

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21 Jun 2012 19:27:12
Hi Ed.
What's your take at present on how CFC will vote?
I know PL has stated on STV news( i think it was) a few weeks ago that CFC will make a decision in the best interests of the club and it's supporters.
However to an extent he was boxed into a corner on this one.
Given the old firm "Alliance" in the past regarding the voting structure scenario,standing against the threat of the other clubs diluting CFC's input in the future. Do you really think this means what a lot of fans think they heard him say? If you catch my drift?
Also,i see reports that Kilmarnock's season ticket sales are up(If true) what about the uptake by CFC fans,are you aware of any figures on this?
I've no reason to disbelieve the person who told me,that PL is "absolutely disgusted",and "raging" with the other chairmen, for "dithering"
The quotation's by the way represent the way it was relayed to me.
All he would say further when pressed was "Let's put it this way,it's not as clear cut as CFC fans would wish,think,or like to hear".
Be interested in your take Ed,as things stand,with or without the info i've imparted.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - I think PL will vote no}

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P.O.B. - so in other words you don't know how Peter Lawwell is going to vote.

K-Dot.

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Never said i did K-Dot.
What's your point?
Och silly me, it's you,there won't be a point.
P.O.B.

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As a season ticket holder I hope and pray that Peter L. doesn't let us down.We can't allow Any Team to get away with what 'they ' did 3rd Division is the least they deserve Hail ! Hail ! in P.L We TRUST

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CFC's vote looks to be irrelevant.....if things keep going on the way they are.....

Other clubs have sealed sevcos fate.

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Bit economical with that reply Ed.
It's not ike you.lol.
It is possible that the other clubs will vote against it anyway,to stitch both clubs up for the future.
I don't think this vote is just about TRFC to most chairmen. May also be the reason PL's allegedly not to enamored with them .
P.O.B.

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If hes does then thats us,hearts,dundee united and aberdeen for definite. do you think there will be a 5th ed and if yes who?

MK BHOY {Ed007's Note - Motherwell and Hibs will vote no from what I am hearing. I think their only ally could be Kilmarnock if fans of the clubs get their way.}

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P.O.B. - I saw your earlier post this evening in relation to this subject which states:

"Has Mr Lawell not informed you yet?
I have it on very good authority that Mr Lawell is absolutely raging with the other chairmen for dithering. And...wait for it...
It is not what you would wish,think,or like to hear. Flak welcome.
Watch this space...as they say.
P.O.B."

That comment from you tells me that you believe that Peter Lawwell is going to vote No.

If that's not what you're saying, then please tell us what point it is that you are making or what it is that you are trying to say?

K-Dot.

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Pl is a money man i think he would vote them in ... but people need to look at what the laptop loyal are not telling us a newco debt free with no sanctions could put them in a position of dominance ( if their fans back it ) no club including celtic has money men pumping millions into the club rangers last year had outgoings of 35 million and incoming of 25 million leaving them ten short that out going included all the debt which has now been wiped off reducing their outgoings substantially the income included the sale of their season tickets to ticketus reducing their income by a third again that has been wiped leaving them with a full gate the newco is debt free with all their income we have to service a debt of nine million if their fans back it and buy their tickets and we fail to qualify for champions league they could their turn over could be more than ours and if our fans start turning their back we could be in deep trouble

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Approximately 45,000 season tickets sold for next season.

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K-Dot.
The post you have "selected" was in reply to a thread where the OP was giving it big licks,about PL. But if you read it,you knew this right?
If you are going to cut/paste,or select other posts how about doing it in it's entirety,and context.
Interesting that Ed007(sorry Ed) seems to think that PL will vote no.
I have already posted my thoughts above K-Dot.
P.O.B.

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I think Peter Lawell is right to keep a dignified silence on the whole escapade. The fact is no-one except board members know how we will vote im sure they will do the best for celtic and thats good enough for me.
Support your team and stop all this not buying season tickets until we know whats happening nonsense.jj

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Big Peter better vote no!!! No to a new co and let sevco start at div 3

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What annoys me is why has he not spoke to the fans like other clubs ?? does he not think the fans are good enough for an opinion ?? even if he doesnt agree or vote with the fans at least talk to them and let them know your reasons dont just treat us with ignorance

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I'm all for 'vote no to newco and send them to 3rd division' but once this happens the other 11 clubs in the SPL will vote 11 to 1 against Celtic to share all matchday revenue 50/50. This would cost us millions every year

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Big P cant lose. Will wait till rest show their hand majority vote no then he votes no his vote wont count anyway. What the smart money would do.

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If he sits n waits fir a majority to vote no then i dont think we would get his real vote as he would just say yes we vote no just to keep you celtic fans happy he shood be put on the spot and asked before other clubs vote or it shood be in alphabetical order

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21 Jun 2012 19:17:44
dexter blackstock fa notts forest hope not

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Why do you hope not?? Came back from an horrendous injury to score just over 1 in 2 and has scored 1 in 3 throughout his career.
Excellent signing if you ask me

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If you ask me NOT GOOD ENOUGH.One tony Watt. ge the bhoy a go if thats the best we can come up with. timmy tim.

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No chance made up story derbycelt

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21 Jun 2012 18:22:58
Evening bhoys and ghirls,, long time since my last post, was just happy to read everybody else's opinions and rumours!
All the eds ( ed 007 the best tho ha ha) doing a great job wether some people take the rough with the smooth or not? Anyway.....my question. Did I see somewhere Celtic playing in a 4 team tourney again this pre season? Or was it just the under 19s and the ghirls champ league? I know we've got Norwich, Ajax and real...... Cheers

Bigbadjohn {Ed007's Note - Cheers mate. I don't know of any tournament......}

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Its the under 18s in prtugal for two weeks in a tourney

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On guys cheers, wasn't sure! I must have dreamt it?

Bigbadjohn

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21 Jun 2012 16:10:02
hi ed

just seen that adrian mutu's move to geneo has collapsed,

do you know any info on what sort of fee he would command? he only has 1 year left i think!

surely he is the type of target we shood be looking at for champions league qaulifycation.

joecfc88 {Ed007's Note - The fee wouldn't be a problem, Cesena got him on a free but his wages would. I would say his wages would be well in excess of £40k a week and that is me being cautious in my estimation. Also I wouldn't want him anywhere near CFC. He would cause nothing but problems off the field for the club.}

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21 Jun 2012 16:11:11
with the talk of the newco trying to buy bury,i have a question. sorry ed but i wanted to ask green jhedi, but if you have any info add in lol. but green jhedi you mentioned on here a couple months ago that you heard Celtic were trying to get into the english league and i believe you said that there could be some news about this and that there might be a chance. so i was wondering if you heard anymore about it?

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What i posted was all i was told im afraid mate.Possibly it might be linked to these rumours of serious wrong doing by rangers.If for instance,the rumours of payments to officials are true(which i doubt very much)then i suppose you could lobby UEFA on the grounds of serious cheating.These are strange times,who knows what will come out next.I think the fact the liquidators and HMRC are working together will open a can of worms............green jhedi

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Cool dude, i agree in that if its proven of majore cheating in spl we could have a lobby for a switch and that maybe the only way(rare in deed but with the news that keeps coming out everyday who knows). cheers

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21 Jun 2012 15:59:28
ED007, Jungle Bhoy in tonight's Evening Times it says Forster is going to
Southampton, is this true, I thought both of you said deal was done?
Also I see we have lost out on Andrews it looks like Lawwell is again penny pinching and not offering market value for players, other case is Henricksen I hear Hamburg are now favourites to get him. It is time for our board to start bringing in players as promised.
Lenny has kept his promise by reducing wage bill and it looks like more transfer money will be coming in, so Lawwell release the cash for players. Timalloy {Ed007's Note - I haven't heard of any interest from Southampton in Forster and I wouldn't say we 'lost out' on Andrews, he is not very good and I don't think there was any serious interest. Players like Henriksen are always going to attract attention, he is class. The club has agreed to meet the 3 million Euros price tag, there has been no bid accepted for him as yet. PSV, Schalke and Brugge are all interested in the player. Where is there any penny pinching? Forster has been offered a fair deal, there was no offer to Andrews and CFC have agreed to meet the deal for Henriksen. Market value for Forster is £2 million as agreed, Matthews was a free transfer and we have agreed to pay the fee for Henriksen.}

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Where on earth is Keith Andrews going to play? Far superior midfielders already at the club! Forsters dragging his heels and henriksens weighing his options up! Where is lawell penny pinching? He's quite right to his time! Pre seasons noy even started yet!

Byars

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Firstly it makes sense not to believe a media, especially one who will never do us any favours. Secondly as one of the few, or only one, financially successful teams in Scotland it is ironic to accuse our Board on "pennypinching". Instead they should be congratulated on financial prudence that leaves us in such a healthy state - a state that will not remain if we start splashing out big. Sassenach

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Bang on ED: The problem is the limited league we play in.Henrickson will attract offers from better leagues,Forster may prefer the EPL and Andrews has a limit on what i would pay for him.I wish some fans would stop this Lawell nonsense,look across the city! Now look at the domination of pro youth football at Celtic. Add the shrewd signing of Kayal,hooper, izzy, mathews and we are in good shape.Why risk it all on silly bidding wars?............green jhedi

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Get Forster out this has been going on to long ,get Craig Gordon before its too late.Lets see the board get Jordan Rhodes then we can stop calling them penny pinchers,do not hold back to see what is happening on the dark side.

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Think you should stop reading too much into what the papers say Timalloy, or better still just stop reading papers. You will not get anything accurate on any Celtic transfer activity from any rag until the deal is done and already public knowledge.

MikeyBhoy

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He needs to get it right who he buys... we need to prove to all the epl fans that we can do a job in the champions league, if forster is playing up we should go for robinson, i believe we should spend cash on rhodes, him and hooper would be a class partnership

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21 Jun 2012 15:19:01
Alright Ed,

First post, but I read on a daily basis....I heard from a really good source a few days ago that Jordan Rhodes will be Celtic's marquee signing of the summer. £4m plus add ons up to £6m, do you have any info?

Cheers Jamesy Bhoy {Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site Jamesy, I've not heard anything new about Rhodes. If he does leave Huddersfield CFC will be in the mix to sign him though.}

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21 Jun 2012 15:27:56
Mad Vlad and Hearts say NO to Newco.

I have to say there is a lot of truth in parts of what he says: -

"Mr Vladimir Romanov today issued the following statement after recent revelations that have had a hugely damaging affect on the game in this country.


Mr Romanov, who has been consistent in his views since investing in Scottish football in 2005, said:

"The opinion of Heart of Midlothian FC in regards to the current situation of Scottish football is clear and robust.

"The football mafia represented by former owners of Rangers FC and Rupert Murdoch's media are to blame for some of the worst problems to hit Scottish football and must not be allowed back in under any circumstances.

"As regards the club itself, we can only express our deepest condolences to its supporters, who have been lied to for so many years.

"It had to happen sooner or later. Victories were achieved not by sporting merits, but through slander, conspiracies amongst players and their poaching via third parties, unfair pressuring of referees, who in themselves are as valuable to the fabric of football as the football stars themselves.

"All of this brought hollow victories and destroyed football. We can also mention the attempts to eliminate Hearts with the help of the tax petitions, through false accusations and threats to revoke the club license. There is a saying about digging a grave for someone: you get it for yourself …

"Without these people football will become cleaner and stronger. Without Murdoch the whole of society will improve, in particular sport and culture.

"Supporters deserve a new beginning and have to accept the fact that their club has to start from the lower league, keeping order in the SPL and without creating unfair competition with other clubs.

"As regards the pitiful state of Scottish football finances, a lot of the blame should be placed at the doors of Murdoch's media. They pay huge sums to English clubs, whilst in Scotland, where football is better supported per capita than anywhere else in Europe and there are more cable or Sky subscribers per capita than in England, clubs receive peanuts for their broadcasting rights.

"At the very least this is discrimination and protectionism for the English football product, which at the same time stunts the development of the game in Scotland, that is regarded as the cradle of football.

"I feel that it is absolutely realistic to create a company that would bring to Scottish clubs at least the same broadcasting income, and even grow it by 50-100% over the next two to three years. This company should be in the hands of Scottish clubs and work with those who want to earn money the honest way, instead of conducting business the Murdoch way.

"They have lived beyond law and all morals, and should now be declared beyond the pale. A society that allows the destruction of integrity in sport, which is a crucial part of Scottish culture, is destroying itself - and all for the benefit of a media aborigine."

K-Dot.

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A bit flowery but correct in regards to refs, Doncaster's pitiful SKy TV deal and Sporting Integrity. Theres no need for Green to give Vlad a bell then!!

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Spot on romonov, and everyone says your a madman.jj

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And they say he is mad....

Why does it take a foreign football director to see the corruption through out the Scottish football establishment?

Why does it take an English journalist to see the underlying colusion of the glasgow mafia media to the corrupt, you scratch my back i will scratch your back, footballing establishment in our country?

Why is that the establishment can send out to EVERY club in the our country a questionaire with regards to ebt's/double contracts when their "institution" club are caught red handed?
Also, how come the establishment are happy to listen to league reconstruction now when last season when EVERY supporter was crying out for it, the establishment did not want anything to do with this but now their team is in trouble...oh lets reconstruct all the leagues....scandelous.

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Vlad doesn't seem that bothered then!
Liah Smit

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Scottish football of today is the fairest its ever been with regards to the sfa. It was by far worse when farry & previous regimes ran it.

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How are we not coming out with this kind of a statement it takes hearts to say what we should be saying not a happy celtic fan at all..if we vote rangers in am never comin back i have renewed my season ticket and its goin in the bin if we vote for that cheating mob...jc

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Sorry JC but if Celtic vote No and Rangers are booted out then thats the end of the 11-1 voting veto and the lions share of the TV money. thats why they are called the Old Firm.Celtic will come out and appease their fans with a No vote intention, once the game is already up for Rangers {Ed007's Note - Are you saying that CFC will come out and say they were going to vote no but didn't need to because everyone else did? Then they will vote no just to appease the fans.... but vote yes to keep the long gone (extinct) Old Firm together but intended to vote no..... So how do you think they will vote? You aren't very clear in that TBH.}

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Celtic staying silent is causing everyone to fear the worst, but think for a minute they are our fiercest rivals and coming out with a statement would look like gloating, Im quite sure we will vote against them getting entry to spl. Keep the faith

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21 Jun 2012 15:00:17
A great press release from mad Vald at the Jambo's. He has mooted the idea of SPL TV, the exact idea that he decided wasnt a great idea when the Celtic and the now defunct club proposed it 2 years ago. This would make a lot of money for all of the clubs in Scotland as it would allow the revenue to go to the clubs in Scotland instead of an Australian bank account. Oh, and he doesnt want them back in the SPL either, no shocks there then.

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Yes spl tv f*** sky..bb

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He didn't want to be any part of it because he knew Rangers were corrupt!

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Vlad always gives it with two barrells blazing. A lot of sense in there somewhere as well.

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Mad Vlad rides again.
The only thing is bhoys, how will STV top Sly financially?
Another wee thing to point out, how much do you think Mad Vlad and the other clubs will be looking for from any TV deal?
Agree we should be getting a better tv deal from SLY,but beggars can't be choosers.
P.O.B.

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It was the old firm who blocked spl tv not the other way around

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21 Jun 2012 12:25:47
Here Ed,
I was just reading about Celtic's interest in Tranmere's reserve fullback.
Why don't you set up a Players Profile, like Eds022/23 have, for Celtic's prospective signings & interest ?
Go on mate, cos I'm not very knowledgable about The Blue Square Prem and that..!
:-D :-D :-D
The Real KB {Ed007's Note - I can't think of anything more boring to do KB!!! The thing about giving opinions on players is that everyone has a different one, it would just end up petty arguing and an abundance of mind-numbing stupid one line posts. I graciously turned down their off er to help them lol. The player profiles is a good idea though, and it allows love to blossom between the two Eds that do them :-)

www.player-profiles.co.uk/

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21 Jun 2012 11:08:47
I just can't believe the reports started by The Mirror that Newco Rangers want to buy Bury and play in England.

As I understand it under UEFA rules, it simply can't happen. You cannot play outisde of the country where you're football ground is located.

I think it is one of 4 scenarios:

1. The information is correct that Green is genuinely trying to do this. However, it will be his biggest error of judgement if he is trying to win support to get back into the SPL. He will totally p1ss of everyone in Scottish football, from the authorities, other clubs and supporters.

2. Green has some plan whereby he doesn't want Newco Rangers playing in the SPL but in the lower leagues in Scotland. He knows his plan to buy an English club won't succeed, but in making noises to do so, will p1ss enough people of to ensure Newco Rangers are playing in the lower leagues.

3. Some other party who are interested in buying Newco Rangers have instigated this story in an attempt to discredit Green.

4. It is a total p1ss take as the new club could be known as Bury Rangers - how apt.

K-Dot.

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I think it was meant to be some sort of threat K.Look,we have plans if you dont play ball,but this guy seems so out of touch with football rulings that it might just sway clubs to say feck em!All sorts of rumours swirling about that things are gonna get much worse very soon.It is now getting to the stage where they might not be playing anywhere for a season...........green jhedi

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K-dot not true - how come Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham and Newport County from Wales play in England - Berwick Rangers from England play in Scotland - ...The New Saints are based in England but play in Welsh league - plenty other examples around europe. {Ed007's Note - This has been covered extensively elsewhere. You can not use the Welsh clubs as an example of this, their situation is irrelevant in this day and age.}

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Green Jhedi - hadn't thought of that one. My God, the man must be mad if he'd try to use this as a way of excerting pressure.

K-Dot.

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21 Jun 2012 00:38:34
Charles green trying to buy a league one side(bury) to move the shame there it will be out tomorrow.....jiggythetim

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It just can't happen mate they would need to play there home games at bury too! Your home ground has got to be in the country you play in. The Rangers will be lucky if they are in any league next season it's the usual empty promises to give the shame a wee bit of hope and sell season books!!

Campsie Tim

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I'm not sure the bury fans would be too pleased if there club was moved 200 miles north

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This is in that "credible" newspaper The Sun. What are the rules on this ed if it is true. Surely u can't buy two clubs and join them together {Ed001's Note - it's not going to happen.}

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Ther is no way heard all this they will still play at ibrox apparantly im very sure theres a fifa law stopping that because scotlands not part of england..... gunner&atim

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Saw this on another forum....
Friends, Romans, Countrymen I come to
Bury Rangers, not to Raise them.....
Timalloy

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Shame? I thought they were liquidated.....or is it just the parts that suit posters that are dead and buried!!!! Time for a new chapter methinks - can you handle that or do you prefer to keep it in the Dark Ages?

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"Your home ground has got to be in the country you play in."

Swansea, EPL team play in Swansea, Wales.
Cardiff Championship team play in Cardiff, Wales.

Not saying I can see it happening like.

I particularly liked someone who pointed out their new name would be Bury Rangers.

MgC {Ed007's Note - The Welsh teams are irrelevant to the argument, when they joined the FA there was no league structure in place in Wales, the rules have evolved over the years and UEFA/FIFA statutes forbid any move like this. Unless there is a massive overhaul of the rules governing the whole game then this will NEVER happen.}

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