Celtic Rumours Archive April 20 2012

 

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20 Apr 2012 23:11:27
i hope if rangers only bidder (miller) gets his chance , that the spl and sfa dont bottle it and give in to his demands and dont give rangers a point deduction or expulsion from the league. surely if rangers go into liquidation then they must be put down some leagues oe severe point deduction. all scottish premier league fans must stick together on this one and not let one club think they can change the rules to help themselves. if rangers try and liquidate, hopefully people will not let them have no debt and get voted into the spl again, this would just no be fair on all spl teams who have waited for payment from rangers. i think they should take their punishment fairly like other teams who have went bust have had to do cheers for listening to my moans and groans. i just want fair punishment to happen to a club who were hopeless with spending far too much money when they didnt even have it.if this was kilmarnock, hibs, inverness or any other smaller team they would have had the book thrown at them and thrown out the league for going into liquidation.

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Speaking as a rangers fan, and as a supporter of Scottish football in general, I think that it is only fair that we should receive a punishment and start over in the Third Division with a points deduction (10 for three years would be about right in my opinion). Although I don't support it in terms of the 'stick it right up them we will see how long they survive without us' approach some fans seem to have taken on the subject, I do believe it would have far reaching consequences for the whole of Scottish football.

I happen to think it would be a good thing for the Scottish game in general. However, I do believe that some clubs (Dunfermline and Kilmarnock for example) may indeed end up in administration without the revenues that Rangers away support brings and that our overall European co-efficient may also be affected as well. There is also the distinct possibility of the new Sky Sports contract being withdrawn or renegotiated but these are short term issues and we currently cannot realistically support 40 financially healthy clubs within Scotland anyway in my opinion (the vast majority of Scottish clubs operate at a loss every year). Restructuring is a necessity for the good of the game.

I think it would be good, and indeed healthy, for Scottish football in the long run for numerous reasons. The current system simply doesn't work. This is the best opportunity for restructuring the leagues that has arisen in a long time. Picking up on your ironic point about one club (two as it stands currently, at least for the next month or so it seems) adapting the rules for their own benefit. The 'rebellious ten' will get their way and have a fairer say in the league structure and share of income, consequently making it slightly more competitive and exciting (potential boost in attendance figures). Although SPL clubs, including Celtic, would have to trim their costs and adjust accordingly short term to continue to operate within their means minus the aforementioned revenues above.

One bonus for me would be that within a season, maybe two, we may see a larger top division as a consequence with only two leagues (possibly even one) below it instead of three. A larger league would make it easier to blood youngsters and concentrate on bringing through our own talent instead of paying over the odds for average johnny foreigners. Theoretically this would keep the money within our game, increase the number of Scots playing within it (beneficial for the national team long term), and over time hopefully increase the quality of football on offer. The standard of Scottish players was far higher in the eighties/early nineties than it is now for example.

It will also give us all a much needed break from the sectarian issue that both clubs are tarnished by (UEFA are focussing more and more on both Celtic and Rangers, particularly in Europe) as there would be no Old Firm games for at least two seasons.

Rangers being in the Third Division would also provide revenues that these clubs could only hope for previously by having a good cup run and the media interest may result in TV revenues being invested in the lower leagues too via an extended highlights package for example. Lets face it. Rangers will still be Rangers, newco in the Third Division or not we will still be relatively well supported - possibly 10k - 15k per home game and media interest will remain as high as it is just now.

We may all suffer in the short term but I think that Scottish football will be in a far healthier state in five or ten years time both financially and standards wise if this came to pass.

Unfortunately, I can only see us staying within the SPL (in whatever form and probably with a minor points deduction at most) and nothing changing in the near future to improve our game overall. The chairmen are greedy and only interested in their own clubs (quite rightly I suppose) and therein lies the problem. We will be left with the same old dross week in week out and will have lost the best opportunity that has came along in the last twenty years to change that.

Obviously these are only my thoughts on what should happen and what will probably happen. I am expecting to be unreservedly lambasted from both sides for this one but hey, it is my honest opinion and opinions are what football is all about as they say.

Brian

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You are aware that spending at CFC is being funded by a loan of 50mill+m

bill72

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Rangers WILL go into liquidation. This has been the game plan designed by Whyte and DP since day one. They will plunder the remaining assets after liquidation.

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Cant fault that post at all Brian .....TTTS

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Well said. i agree with that.i am not only saying these thimgs because its rangers, i would expect celtic to get same treatment if we went into liquidation or administration

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As a Rangersz fan I fully accept that punishment should 'fit the crime' so to speak. However I reckon that the Miller statement is designed not only to set out his proposals but more likely to force Brian Kennedy (in particular) and others to show their hand. Kennedy stds to have his reputation torn to shreds because of his repeated statements about saving Rangers, yet he's also been careful not to make any 'best and final' offer in writing to date. As far as I'm concerned this whole saga seems to be stage-managed. Bill Ng put up most money (forgetting for a moment what the split was going to be) but was then advised that he would be out of the running unless he cut a larger piece to Ticketus than they were willing to take from the Blue Knights. Whilst this was going on D&P did NOTHING to secure any shares from the so-called irrelevance that is Craig Whyte - so much so that when Ng might have been willing to give more money to Ticketus, D&P couldn't wrest the shares away from Whyte. The whole thing stnks to high heaven and now things are set up for Kennedy to put up or shut up at the eleventh hour!!

Ed - if any would-be buyer read this site and the Ranger's sites they would see that fans are merely wishing this sorry saga was settled one way or another, which helps their individual agendas - financial and point deductions, or not.

What do you think? {Ed007's Note - Reading through the Rangers site though, there are still a lot of Rangers fans that think everything is going to be fine and are accepting every bit of PR spin being thrown at them. I feel sorry for all the decent Rangers fans like yourself that have accepted how grim the whole situation is, and you have been led a merry dance by a group of charlatans that seem more intent in keeping their name in the papers than actually doing anything to move the club and administration process forward. Liquidation is looking more than likely with every passing day, even Miller's bid is nonsense, the SPL/SFA can not make the guarantees he wants so I fail to see how it can even get off the ground.}

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Brian, we can only hope that is the way the game goes

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Ecellent post IMO. I think you may even be toon harsh. If starting in the 3rd division after liquidation I wouldnt see the need for a pts deduction. Otherweise spot on. Bill 72, utter crap. I've the accounts to prove that. an spending at CFC on transfer equals almost exactly receipts. Its the way to go long term.

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20 Apr 2012 23:09:09
this probably been raised a million times before but why is NL charge resulting in a 2 game ban any worse than that k%$b at Inverness earlier in season when he had a right go about Samaras?
I tell u why - personal

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Cos 1 was at a player (haha)
& 1 was at an official , there is difference, there is nothing personal, the rules as they stand (like them or not) were applied correctly

bill72

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Are you not embarassed that in 2 seasons your manager has accumulated 14match ban?

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Think ull find manager in question was very vocal about ref n it's not the 1st time
As for embarrassed, have u no shame! I can think of 134 million reasons why u shld b. all hail NL {Ed007's Note - It's actually 153 reasons, you forgot the 15 point lead and the four cup by September. Which one of the fabulous deals to take over the club is he supporting today? Remember his cosying up to Whyte after Billy Davies had been a guest of Craig Whyte at Ibrox to run the rule over the team.}

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20 Apr 2012 22:16:53
Just read Bill Miller's statement.

This guy is absolutely nuts. At least Craig Whyte tried to appear to be a credible businessman. Miller is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

It will be very interesting to see the Ranger's supporters response.

Will they embrase him as their one true saviour in desperation or will they have the bottle to stand up and tell the adminsitrators he's not wanted.

You can read his statement here:

www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-takeover-bill-miller-s-statement-in-full-1-2246439 {Ed007's Note -

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NUTS

But what can you do?
bill72

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20 Apr 2012 20:55:04
Statement from Ranger's Administrators does not confirm Bill Miller has preferred bidder status.

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Stating the bleeding obvious!

But he has told the rest of the motley crew of vultures to put up or shut up by Monday

bill72

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20 Apr 2012 20:16:08
anyone got an idea of the new kit i heard the pics where done today
FozzY CSC {Ed007's Note - Jungle Bhoy gave us an update earlier on Fozzy, it should be further down the page.}

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20 Apr 2012 19:41:39
Any truth in the story that the holy goaly looking to return? Would love to see him back but think we need to get big Forster signed permanently as he has impressed and will only get better with time

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20 Apr 2012 19:40:13
It seems that the SFA can not issue a newco with a licence,it would require the rewrite of UFEA regulations .This means expulsion . Is this the case ?......TTTS

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You need a UEFA licence to play in the SPL,but a new club must wait three years before they can apply.........green jhedi

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20 Apr 2012 19:11:43
FINALLY,LIQUIDATION.why so long drawn out?artybhoy

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20 Apr 2012 18:35:51
I see the administrators are going to give Bill Miller preferred bidder status on Monday unless a better offer comes in over the weekend.

How amateurish is this from the administrators. They should be keeping any such details confidential and simply announce the preferred bidder at the correct time.

This will all be very interesting and end up in tears. Miller is likely to be given preferred bidder status but how is he going to deal with the following, or indeed how is any party going to deal with the following:

1. Craig Whyte's 85% ownership. It doesn't matter if the administrators make anyone preferred bidder, if Whyte doesn't want to sell to the preferred bidder, then there is no deal.

In particular, how much will Whyte ask for his shareholding and will the preferred bidder pay this.

Miller has confirmed he hasn't even spoken with Whyte.

2. Craig Whyte's £18m+ floating charge over Ranger's assets. Any bidder would have to be insane to consider taking over Rangers whilst Whyte holds this floating charge.

3. How is a preferred bidder going to deal with the debt (possibly £134m) if a CVA is not reached.

4. How will the bidder deal with Ticketus. Nothing is yeta greed.

5. The Big Tax Case.

6. SFA / SPL sanctions (which Miller has said he will walk away over).

And this doesn't get into how any bidder will provide cash flow to physically run the club.

It means only one thing -LIQUIDATION.

So bye, bye Rangers.

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20 Apr 2012 17:54:26
Hi ed dont know if you have had the chance to read Bill Millers statement for taking over Rangers,seems to me all he is wanting to do is shaft everyone,and this stuff about incubator companys, is it even legal? and stating he will walk if Rangers get punished next season ie the 10pt deduction etc,seems to me he wants them to get of scott free and bend everyone else over in the process(would like your thoughts ed)MACCA {Ed007's Note - I have never heard of anything like this in my life. It sounds like nonsense to me. Brighter guys than me are just laughing at it. The SPL or SFA can't meet with any potential owners to discuss future punishments either.}

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But the funniest thing is Ed, the administrators have confirmed he will be given preferred bidder status on Monday if a better offer isn't received. {Ed007's Note - It looks like he will need to be given in, nobody else seems to want it. It looks like some people were using Rangers woes to gain some publicity. It is astonishing the position Rangers are in, considering they have been in administration for over two months, they have not moved forward at all and things are starting to look really desperate for them.}

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There is no doubt that some serious business people will have looked at taking over Rangers and quickly realised it is a basket case and not taken their interest any further.

If Rangers were in any way a half decent proposition, there are many wealthy Rangers supporters who would have come to the rescue. But when you get commedians like Ng, Miller and Kennedy then you know the club is f*cked.

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20 Apr 2012 17:36:14
A guy at work was talking about a survey being done about accepting a newco Rangers back into the SPL. Is it only at Scottish grounds or is it online as well? Do you know anything about it Bond and are people taking notice of it?

MUFC#20 {Ed007's Note - I don't think there are surveys being done at grounds mate. There is an online one and I know the BBC and a few radio stations are using it to gauge the general feelings. Here is a link to it:

www.splsurvey.co.uk/

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20 Apr 2012 16:48:29
celtic 2 sign andy johnson on a free in the summer,,,,i guarantee it will happen,,,he wants 2 end his career with silverware {Ed007's Note - His representatives have said there is interest from CFC and there is interest from China.}

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This would be a fantastic signing.

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40k plus wages a no go for celtic

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Is he not another small striker....Need a battering ram ....TTTS

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Wen i posted this i did not know about the chinese interest,,,,and they seem 2 b throwing a lot of money about so we may not sign him if he is more interested in money than winning


bodie1888

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20 Apr 2012 17:17:29
Ed, any indications when a decision will be released on the Big Tax Case.

I wouldn't be surprised if it coincided with the end of the season. {Ed007's Note - I wouldn't even like to guess, sorry. I am surprised that there hasn't been an announcement yet.}

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The tax case is secondary now, Glasgow Rangers will be "no more" it'll be under a new name after being closed down and re-born, and as a Rangers supporter it really doesn't matter, all I want is for them to play and beat Celtic but I fear it'll be a long time coming before they do that on a regular basis again

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20 Apr 2012 17:08:54
Seems the curtains are about to fall... Press conference at the new ASDA site .....TTTS

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20 Apr 2012 15:46:45
Ed
Have Leeds Utd released Darren O'Dea from his loan contract today?

Lubo25 {Ed007's Note - Yes. There are only two matches left in the league and Colin decided he didn't want O'Dea there next season so there would be no contract offered.}

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20 Apr 2012 14:54:30
Following on from Kris Commons tweet, 'new kit will get us all talking'.
Firstly anyone know why?

Secondly Ed whens this new home kit on sale?

On Lennys ban, good point has been made that it will give him a good view on the fringe / young players that will likely be drafted in for the last 5 games..
I'd like to see the following get chances:
Juarez - deserves it
Rasmussen - again deserves it
Mc Court - Swansong
Bangura - to see if he's going to cut it..
Brovec - as above
Izzy - needs game time again
Kayal - needs game time again (ps these 2 are like new players again for us!)
Mc Geouch - been impressed
Young Foster
Twardzik - again been impressed
Dan - swansong

See no reason why these players can't be brought in with few of the mainstays to see what they've got..
Certainly play a strong team against them, I still consider that an important game to stamp our authority in the league.. {Ed007's Note - Jungle Bhoy usually keeps us updated on strip releases etc, I am sure he said it was May sometime but I can't remember the date.}

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Away kit out first 24th May.Home kit around 10/11th July.Third kit Sept/Oct.Still haven't seen any preview yet,looks like they're keeping it under wraps for as long as possible.

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - Commons is hinting on Twatter that the socks will be different from what we are used to JB, and thanks again mate.}

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As long as they aren't red and black

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Socks are gonna be green aren't they? think the hoops are gona be thinner similar to the france international away kit if you have a look at it.

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20 Apr 2012 13:57:51
so....
blue knights walk away, bill ng walks away, kennedy gets a bid knocked back and now there is only one bidder left. this american wants to liquidate them yet his bid was ALWAYS on the table.
can the rangers fans now get their heads out of the sand and see liquidation was the ONLY option all along?
frankiebhoy

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The Singapore Sling is now renamed the Singapore Sling my hook !!. TTTS

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The strange thing about this is the yankee wants to put all of the assets,history basically Rangers into a new club name and then leave the administrators with whats left to dish out to the creditors. Does that mean that all the players and their contracts will then go to the new company and still be paid 25k per week while everybody else gets 10p in the pound? This sounds like the same thing that Leeds Utd did but didnt they have to sell off their players to cover the debt to an extent

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I dont think the players have any value to RFC,part of the deal they struck is they can move on on a free transfer if they want in at the end of season.... Correct me if im wrong ... TTTS

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20 Apr 2012 13:40:14
What is it with the SFA/SPL?

It took them THREE days of deliberation to agree that the charges again Rangers and Agent Whyte, that THEY brought against both parties is now delayed for a week.....do you think they are scared to vet out the
punishment for cheating that every other club in Scotland would be
hammered for?

It seems they are waiting for the "problem" to disappear....show
some back bone and govern as you are supposed to do

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20 Apr 2012 13:14:54
Afternoon 007 I know your a bit 'anti media' which I don't blame you for but I thought I heard last night could be wrong tho if rangers are still in admin by the end of the season they get relegated & atomically lose every game 3-0 & go into div 1 ? Was in Clyde 1 last night between 7.15 & 7.45
Lenny {Ed007's Note - I never heard it Lenny but as far as I know if Rangers are still in administration then they start next season on minus points. Administration has no effect on final league standings etc.}

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20 Apr 2012 12:28:41
Singaporean businessman Bill Ng has withdrawn his bid to buy Rangers.....BBC Sport

Martybhoy

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20 Apr 2012 12:11:36
Ng withdraws his offer - the end for Rangers. The new OF will be Celtic and Hearts. Will former Rangers supporters flock to the Maroon side?

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NO

bill72

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Yes I think they will, and it will save them having to travel through from edinburgh. The Ayrshire boys can all support killie (or Auchinleck)

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This could benifit the local game in Northern Ireland in as far as the bus loads that travel over ever other week wouldnt be so keen to watch a div 3 game .

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20 Apr 2012 11:58:40
Ssn saying bill ng does do walking away

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20 Apr 2012 11:50:41
Well i think it's wonderful that Keith Jackson has won sports writer of the year.I find it very encouraging that all the journalism students across the country have this amazing role model to base their careers on.I would think he has picked this award up on the basis of his terrier like reporting on the rangers situation,and refusal to accept the spin and lies put in front of him in a bid to deflect from the situation unfolding at ibrox.A man in the mould of Woodward and Bernstein,Surely National awards will be following soon. OR. Was it just his turn? Keith Jackson has been banging the drum for rangers for so long his wrists must be throbbing.A mainstream Scottish reporter who has been swallowing pretty much every statement released from Media House PR, up until it was crystal clear that rangers were in trouble.The man who brought us the now infamous"wealth off the radar" EXCLUSIVE,would appear unable to fact check any statement offered that fit's his papers agenda.Jackson and his boss,Jim Traynor,both leading lights in the "succelent lamb and finest reds" school of reporting,have been shown up to be charlatans.The Record duo have been very vocal in praising their paper, and themselves,on radio for weeks now.My question would be this,why? They are around eighteen months behind the Rangers Tax Case blog and others amazingly insightful articles.While Keith and Jim accepted,without question,Media House's spin,these Bloggers were way ahead of them in every aspect of the rangers situation.Awards? As i say, it must have been his turn because in the cosy,rangers friendly world of Scottish reporting,facts dont seem to matter anymore.Even this morning,reporting is once again agenda driven.Gary Ralston,(his turn next year?) a junior member of this back slapping fraternity,refuses to print facts.Neil Lennon's case yesterday exposed a web of lies and deceit with officials lying in a matter concerning the Celtic manager.Was it mentioned? no, but Neil's "shock reprieve"was. Now that's how you win journalism awards in Glasgow.........green jhedi

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The Green Jhedi doesnt do sarcasm ,but if he did ................ :-) TTTS

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Keep thjese posts coming Jhedi and you may be up for an award. I very much enjoyed reading this. Cheers mate.

WTSTB

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Couldn't have worded that better myself mate. I've posted previously about the DR and again this morning on our banter section.
They are inferring Neil Lennon has 'got off' somehow - instead of focusing on the officials' accounts.
I was never one for 'conspiracy' theories - but the media handling of Rangers problems and the way Neil is portayed made me think again.
There is an orchastrated media campaign against NL. Maybe not bigoted, but definitely designed to shift papers with sensationalism. Where was the sensationalism when the Rangers financial rumours first circulated, when Michael Ball was forced not to play?.... 10 YEARS AGO!!
I, like a lot of households in Scotland, bought the DR out of habit. Now I buy it to see what football nonsense they speak next. I now prefer to gather information online (rangerstaxcase.com) - pity the DR journalists haven't heard of this new-fangled medium called the 'internet'.
They simply deride it............kbt1978

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That was very well said, nice post Green Jhedi. On what you wrote. We have to laugh about it really don't we, i mean these clowns writing about or club and manager are so obviously bias and bitter. You only have to look at Alex Thompson coming down here for 5 mins and he's been threatened by 1 of them. He was on the radio the other night as I'm sure some of you heard and you could hear in his voice he was embarrassed for them. The questions not being asked, the blind eyes turned the blatant obsession with how angry or petulant our manager might or might not have been. He knows whats goin on and he's only just started scratching the surface. i welcome more journalists from down south or further afield to come up here and show them up for what they really are. Like i say you just have to laugh or you would just be angry all the time. Anyway i hope when the mighty rangers go for a burton and they will, that celtic don't succumb to these excuses for journalist's pathetic arse kissing ways and chase them to F*@K. Peace love and bananas

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20 Apr 2012 18:29:55
Always liked the spoof DR email.Here's the link.

www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Rangers+-+Spoof+Daily+Record+e-mail

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - One of the all time classics :-)

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20 Apr 2012 11:40:52
Well thats another 1 walking away

Bill Ng withdraws offer to buy Ibrox club

Bill Ng has withdrawn his bid to buy Rangers.

The Singaporean businessman said he had "serious concerns" over the deliverability of shares on offer.

Ng stated that the bidding process has "become untenable," adding that he was making the announcement with "deep regret".

Administrator Duff & Phelps has been running the Scottish Premier League club since 14 February

liquidation is now got to be a dead cert

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