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18 Apr 2013 22:26:29
a point on league reconstruction if you can cast your mind back the msm were always saying if change was not agreed by member clubs then SFA should step in to take charge of change and well what do you know they are out offering to do exactly this any change should be refused by our club as I believe the boat has set sail on recontruction
18 Apr 2013 20:15:52
I think we can all see how absurd the 3 match ban for "offensive behaviour" handed out from the SFA to Lenny is. I also love the clubs statement regarding how busy Hampden will be every Monday. I hope celtic make a point of reporting every manager up and down the country for any swearing in the coming match days. This would seem to be the only fair thing for the SFA to then ban these individuals too
I don't think any other manager wanted Lennie to get pulled up about it. Even Jim Goodwin said it was nothing and would speak on his behalf if needed. It was the guy in the stand that reported it.
Lets go the whole hog and have the 4th official have a SWEAR BOX on the touchline with him.
I teach at University, and its acceptable to swear from the podium in the presence of 300 undergrads. This is hypocrisy at its most British and at its most astounding level. Yes. Neil Lennon uses a contemporary language in private. No, he doesn't do so on telly. God knows the refs use the same kind of language and besides:
Just because you say 'sir' doesn't mean you're being polite, and just because you say '****' doesn't mean you're being impolite.
Thatcher's Britain. Keep talking the way it is.
b
What I find disgusting is that NL is ridiculously found guilty yet a few weeks back we had Butcher smash a dug out at Dens (very small reporting in all papers), this followed a set to with Adams just prior (again no major reporting carried in tabloids). Victimised, you bet, and another attempt to deflect reporting from more serious concerns elsewhere. When is our club and chairman going to start being vocal and stand up for us. We are No 1 and without us there is no Scottish football, that is fact. Stevo Dundee
I wonder if the SFA realise what they have done by opening up this can of worms? If this is not applied uniformly then there are all sorts of issues.
Iain
19 Apr 2013 08:59:10
This is the biggest joke ever (SFA) fannies man!. Need tae watch wit ah say incase ah get ah 3 week ban fae using ma fone! That's how stupit it is and makes scottish football even more of a joke. Ne wiys GLASGOW CELTIC CHAMPIONS!
19 Apr 2013 11:06:40
Maybe he should have done a Terry Butcher and get away scott free.
gordybhoy
Whether its right or not we can debate till we are blue in the teeth. if you swear on the tele or radio you get fined. although a sporting event this is the same. get the microphones moved or be a bit more savvy about what you say on the touchline.
What about those times when the mikes don't pick anything up but you can clearly lip read what is said?
Will that be treated in the same manner?
Whats the point in reporting anyone the sfa will not give out bans even if they are found guilty and point out that lennon wasnt given a ban for this althouh he was found guilty he's only banned cause the guilty verdict triggerd his suspended ban. mark
Lenny is well use to this s""t, Scotland is the laughing stock of the world when it comes to football sporting body's, only in a country like Scotland can the bios ness be so blatant I think they think we are as stupid as those mugs across the city, they have made a rod for ther own back and Lenny should accept this punishment as this will help the crowd attendance to rise in the grounds around Scotland as half the management staff and players will be in the stand what a joke they are but it does not shock me at all it's Scotland and its always been the same, but as the saying goes and has been proved over the last couple of years in Scotland the truth will come out sooner or later and it will be funny to see these people run for the hills when it does, jodrok
For me it is simple. defy them and take your place in the dug out. police can't get involved. its a footballing matter.
18 Apr 2013 19:43:01
Interesting stuff that Neil Lenny has triggered his three match ban from last season the sfa have now set a benchmark with this any player manager or touchline staff that curse will be taken to task and reported to the one and only vinny lunny so I can't wait to see who else gets done like this should be interesting let's see what chuckles green gets for using a racist term in quite frankly a ludicrous interview with a shoddy tabloid that talks nonsense
tre67
I have said on here in an earlier post
a couple of weeks ago that neil lennon is being singled out (probably an attempt to hound him out of scotland). How on earth can a 3 match ban be justified for swearing
considering what offences have been
committed in recent weeks by adams/butcher/shiels, not to mention the obvious corruption going on across the city. Neil should have walked following his treatment after the so called shame game when the perpetrators walked free and the innocent had the book thrown at him. I know many won't agree with my suggestion of walking away but why should anyone be subjected to the treatment he receives, scottish football and those in charge are an embarrassment. jimbhoy.
Sfa won't ban anyone for swearing because the benchmark was set with lennon found guilty but no ban given. but the guilty verdict triggers his suspended ban from last. someone thought this one through. mark
Good point about the guilty verdict triggering the suspended sentence. These are all grown men and they work in an environment where swearing at, and amongst, each other is common. The fourth official did not show any concern at the event (an official with common sense, a rare commodity these days. We should have him stuffed and displayed!). It was media equipment which picked it up. IMO there should be no microphones allowed near the area concerned as it is an infringement. Anyway, it won't stop Lenny joining-in the celebrations. Hail Hail.
TinyTim
18 Apr 2013 18:53:32
Just heard the prices for the cup final. On Sunday I paid £23 for my ticket in the north stand. For the final the same ticket price is £35. For tickets 3 miles away behind the goals the price is £28. Total joke for a piggery of a ground that is Hampden. Just lining the pockets of nobody's in the halls of Hampden. DH
That's why I'll never set foot in that s***hole again why line the pickets of this corrupt organisation now the Lenny ban for swearing couldn't make it up let's see how many other managers are up there come Monday won't hold my breath on another subject reading about stans recovery yesterday how about a minutes applause at 19 mins Sunday? Still thinking of you Stiliyan hail hail WILDBHOY
Did you really think it would have been any cheaper? How much did we pay for Juventus match at Celtic Park? Football has been ripping the backside out of us for years and we have all still been paying. £609 for my season ticket, way too dear. Can't Agree.
What can't you agree on?. That its OTT prices for the final? Hampden s a piggery? A corrupt organisation?. Why are you comparing a ST price to a cup final ticket. DH
18 Apr 2013 18:30:12
I'm trying my very best to see all angles with the powers that be at Hampden but its getting very difficult!
Neil Lennon has been found guilty of swearing (thats sweraing!) with no sanction issued for the breach of disciplinary rule '203' but a suspended three match-ban from last season was triggered. This is a joke, an absolute joke!
Campbell Ogilive is STILL in office despite his involvement with Rangers (In liquidation) and Hearts (at the door of liquidation), does Ferrari get someone who has failed their driving test twice to drive one of their F1 cars?
Now the SFA have announced the ticket prices for the Scottish Cup final will be North/South Stands - £35. East/West Stands - £28/£10. Is this reasonable?
Mrs E
And they wonder why the games dying Mrs E! The prices should have been N/S stands £25, E/W stands £20 and £6. More fans means more money. Used as a cash cow again, to prop up a corrupt organisation. green jhedi
As neil has hinted. ban all microphones around the dugout. plus ban all interviews with him and players. just in case they slip up with a wee sweary word. upset sky and you upset the powers that be at hampden.
and for the prices at the final. if it was craig whytes boys (the way it looks) it would be a mass boycott. H.
Mrs e, gj, is it reasonable?, probably not. we will have about 30 odd thousand fans at the final. you will be there, spare a thought for us that don't get a look in because we don't have a season book. there are thousands who would gladly pay £35. so reasonable no, supply and demand yes. shammy
18 Apr 2013 18:26:29
Well done Jim, " he is alleged to have said. "Well done Jim, you're a f*****g hard man, eh? You f*****g f***y. F*****g f***y. "
I nearly pi$$ed myself with laughter what is the world coming to eh,,,, way to harsh with the 3 match ban what your thoughts bhoys and ghirls. Goreybhoy
18 Apr 2013 17:09:38
Glasgow Cup Final
Monday April 29th
Firhill Stadium
Celtic U-17 v Rangers U-17
KO 7pm
Adults £5 Child/conc £2
Paddy Malarkey
18 Apr 2013 15:20:38
Right Celts, it may be time for us to mobilise. The SPL have "invited" Stewart Reagan and Campbell Ogilvie to mediate in talks between their member clubs. This pair are hopelessly conflicted in the on going shambles at The rangers. let's recap on their sterling work so far. Rangers are liquidated and granted a temporary licence to enable them to start the season. This was an unprecedented move. Their silence on the status of the club being the same footballing entity has been total. The SFA, I suspect it must have been one of this pair, then told the ECA that in their opinion the club was the same. So they tell this to a toothless body, with no governance on the game, yet will not utter a word to the Scottish fans who pay their wages.
Charles Green applies for the transfer of the playing licence to his newco side. This is again against all the rules as they had no audited accounts. To attain this licence Green entered into a "five point agreement" with the SFA. This is being treated like the USA do with their nuclear codes, no one is allowed to see it! Green then, aided by his sneaky sidekick, then torches the SFA at every opportunity. Claims of relegation became the norm, despite it being patently untrue. Marches to Hampden, sneaky ally and his "who are these people" quote, which led to threats against individuals and clubs, went unpunished bar a slap on the wrist.
As we speak The rangers have instigated their own external investigation into Mr Green's dealings. We assume because he cannot, or will not, prove who owns the clubs assets and who the investors really are. There are also questions regarding the validity of the share issue. Now Mr Green cannot, or will not, prove these things to his own board of directors, yet these two officials deemed him a "fit and proper person" to be connected to the club! Green also had to show his fiscal plan for the club, again this must have been in order for the licence to be granted.
In my opinion it is time for Mr Lawwell to stand up and ask questions on behalf of our supporters. This has reached a stage where it is beginning to look like corruption. Mr Ogilvie, let's not forget, was a recipient of EBT payments from rangers while holding senior office in the SFA. This is against the rules, we have to assume Ogilvie knows the rules! He was an office bearer at rangers during the EBT stuff, but walked away clean even after the scathing comments regarding the case.
Daywalkers are constantly accusing Mr Lawwell of running Scottish football, he does not. What he has is the control of the countries biggest club, and most successful club, he therefore has some clout. I would say to Mr Lawwell, if we see any evidence of our club in colluding in this campaign to help a new club, spawned from a dead, tax dodging, sectarian nightmare, we will not be happy. It is time for questions to be asked, and we demand the answers. Why the secrecy surrounding the Green agreement? Why is Ogilvie still in place? Who at the SFA claimed this was the same club as the liquidated club? While we stay silent it starts to look like we are accepting the status quo. We will not. green jhedi
Not for the first time, I concur on this;
I replied to a post on the 'Banter' page to the same effect - that Celtic have been far to quiet throughout and must make a stand for any honesty and integrity that remains in our game.
There are a few of us that fear Celtic's ongoing silence means some sort of collaboration has been undertaken?
Jungle Jim (JJ)
The fact that Ogre vile is still involved in football and not been investigated by the fraud squad in its self is a puzzle. If the SPL do allow the SFA to negotiate it must not invovle Ogre vile in any form in fact there should be a pre condition that he resigns his position with out further delay. TTTS
I am keeping the faith and putting my trust in our leadership. Of course the time is rapidly approaching when our supporters expect to see questions asked. Our executive are in a woeful position. I do wish Mr Quinn was still with us. Sopotcelt.
A message to the board of Celtic, do you want a stadium half empty? Stand up to this corrupt outfit that is the sfa. Is our club the only one rules & regulations are applied to? whilst none are applied to the lying thieving racist new club? please don't be foolish enough to take our support for granted
because the silence & apparent complicit stance is so far wrong in the eyes of our support & is morally & ethically wrong. sfa you are the fannies of Fannies! HH AbS
How about showing our feelings by waving white hankies as I have seen done in Spain when they are unhappy with the way things are going? Along with a chant of maybe " fannies in blazers your corrupt Fannies in blazers"? Imagine the sight 50-60 thousand of the Celtics faithful supportets waving the white flags hankies whatever & expressing our disgust in song. HH AbS
As always GJ. u have it off to a tee. How can we highlight the goings-on of these "people in charge" to FIFA/UEFA. surely there must be some way. any bhoy or ghirl got any ideas? don't think an online petition is going to bother Blatter the dinosaur
18 Apr 2013 12:35:12
I cannot believe the Scottish game is looking at mediator, for goodness sake! and they say woman are bad pppffft
I wasn't a big fan of this split idea but 10 out of the 12 SPL clubs were so it must hold something.
With the real possibility of 4 SPL clubs being relegated to Div 1, i'm starting to think it would have made the league much more competitive and a lot more to play for. How many times have we seen this season teams roll up at Celtic Park simply to defend?
I now think this split would have brought an edge to the league and it would have meant a lot more meaningful games as teams would have to play every game as a cup final to avoid the middle 8.
St Mirren and Ross County are scared of this challenge and do not want to face this possibility. Quite selfish really and in no way standing up for themselves. ~ Mrs E
Graham Spiers made the same point Mrs E. I thought the plan was pretty good actually, more competitive from game one. As you say avoiding the pressure of the middle eight would have been the priority. I think this would have increased gates and offered a more attractive product. Even dropping to the middle eight would have seen gates increase. Because it did not work in the Swiss and Austrian set up does not mean it would not work here. green jhedi
Disolve the spl invite the 10 club that agree to a meeting and restructure. The 2 that are holding others to ransom will soon tow the line. TTTS
GJ, I was trying to see why it was proposed and why Celtic would back it, they are known for being quite shrewd.
I was only really looking at the current split that seems quite pointless but this way there is a lot more to play for. Why would St Mirren and Ross County be scared of the competition, a Sports Club scared to compete?
I have no idea why some Rangers fans see it as a victory either ~ Mrs E
Is it just me or have St Mirren shot themselves in the foot? One of the teams that would have came up would have been Morton creating their own wee Derby. I also cannot see any huge advantage to Rangers and can't help but think their negativity towards it was quite simply Chucky's sabre rattling and appealing to the worse elements as he has done from day dot. Rangers actually would have got more money in the short term! it's all a wee bit bizarre and to see the emotion displayed
Scottish football is at deaths door. i'm not sure if this 8-8-8 split was the answer but we need playoffs, more teams being relegated, a pyramod system and a better spread of money.
id go for 14-12-16.
the top 14 split after 26 games. 7 and 7.
3 teams relegated. 2 automatically and 3rd bottom plays two legged playoff against 3rd in spl 2.
mk bhoy
7 and 7? Two free teams each week? You working for the sfa!
Stuart nic
To be fair all I hear is "my players are tired" despite having a squad big enough to field 3 teams. this could work in our favour
Why can't spl come up with origonal ideas the currant set up was one that was tried and failed in brazil (almost certain brazil) and now 12 12 18 from austria and swiss
18 Apr 2013 00:44:20
The Scotsman reporting the SFA want to go in and mediate to save reconstruction. However SPL and SFL have to rip up their rule books to give SFA full legal powers to make the decisions that are good for the game.
How ridiculous is that? That's a license for the corrupt SFA to put secvo straight into the top tier.
Well I don't see the point of that, as the SFA will only try for something that will leapfrog their new friends The Rangers up the leagues! SFA is possibly the most corrupt out of the 3 organizations!
Ogilve is only interested in making The Rangers path a little easier! On the fact that that waste of space is even involved in the process should prejudice any decision to let them to the table!
I have posted many times on here that the SFA have questions to answer. The lack of clarity from sevco has been nothing short of astonishing, yet the SFA grant them an unprecedented temporary licence. Even now it seems green can't prove to his own board who actually owns their clubs assets, or who exactly the investors are, yet still the SFA sit on their hands.
Now they spring into life. Might I suggest they look a bit closer to home before they ride to the rescue of the SFA? This organisation should be answerable to EVERY clubs fans, yet questions go unanswered. Why were sevco granted a temporary licence when this had never been done before? Why is Mr Ogilvie, with his rangers connections stretching through the EBT years, still in place? Why is the "five point plan" agreement with greens sevco so secret? Who assured the ECA that this club were the same entity to the SFA and was he authorised to do so?
Try giving fans these answers before you charge in to the SPL issue. We all know this is a cover to pursue the agenda of raising the The rangers back to the top as soon as possible. In any case your track record suggests your input would be as much use as chocolate teapot. As a Celtic fan, I would hope we do not allow any tampering of rules to aid a club who have received more than enough help from the governing body. green jhedi
They should just put them in te spl now and get it over with. It's going to happen so no point debating it anymore.
18 Apr 2013 12:06:52
your right they are pandering to the dead club and always will unless people stand up to them celtic should respect there fans more I am a fan have been for over 50 years and seen a lot of underhand stuff bigot refs jim farry but we sit back and let them away with it wee fergus was man enough to take them on come on mr lawell take a leaf out his book stand up for us
Just can't see this happening, if the supposition that Mr Gilmour did not scupper the new deal for his fan's but to help OTHER's, it would seem to me that certain club's would use the 11-1 vote, to scupper any chance the SFA have of elevating NEW Ranger's up the league's, any earlier than they would do
Tambhoy