Celtic Rumours Archive February 15 2012

15 Feb 2012 22:47:41
hi ed just wonder if youve heard anything like this one doing the rounds , before xmas i was talking to my old gaffer abt his teams misfortunes ( rangers ) he had his grumble about it but also said he had heard that they were a test case as hmrc were going after the english clubs on a greater scale he mentioned arsenal had tookk same advice about the tax avoidance scheme and the reason they wont spend any of the fortune they have in the bank is they could be fined up to 700 millions as they have been doping this for a lot longer than most clubs , sounds as thoug it could be true as the arsenal fans on sly sports tonight complaining again about lack of signings ?? cheers tommybhoy {Ed007's Note - I think (not 100%) it is more to do with image rights in the EPL than EBTs.}

I have also heard this matey apparently rangers are the guinee pigs as hmrc wanted to test the water before going after the likes of arsenal man utd etc hence no big spending during recent transfer window as watching what happens with the orcs

Skinnybhoy

15 Feb 2012 21:03:04
my prob is cos rangers r in admin they r obly going to pay a certain penny to a pound deal with hmrc they will not get there 75 mil hows tht fair

If they don't win the big tax case then HMRC will probably be 75% of the creditors and unless they enter into a CVA, and reports suggest that HMRC won't do this, then there will be pence in the pond deal. Out the game me thinks

And if you weren't in the same position you wouldn't do it, stones and glass houses me thinks

Where is the 24m for the nxt 3 yrs ticket money? Pencilled in to cover some of the hmrc debt I think. They will lose and the administrators will offer that as a full and final offer. If not, they risk liquidating and getting nothing as ibrox isn't valuable. Only viable buyer is a property developer but main stand is listed building so can't be converted to anything or altered. Therefore, as we all know, useless stadium (:-). This 24 m will be sitting in an escrow account for next week or so, problem is even if hmrc accept, although that will stave off liquidation, the dump is still running at 10m loss per fiscal year. Administrators need to cut the fat off the "business". Tough times ahead and I think given how many players they will lose/have to sell in the summer, there will be 3 years minimum of crap ahead for the rangers.

Watching the shame battle it out for second is going to be funny ...could you imagine no european footie which must have been a projected revenue on 3 year business plan

15 Feb 2012 20:06:57
Ed any news on the young lad from Portugal ,is it true his dad played with Dunfermline ......DH {Ed007's Note - I'm not sure what is happening with him. Edinho Junior his his name he has had a trial and been watched, he is only 17 though. His father (Edinho obviously) was at Dunfermline on loan from Bradford City in 1998, he played 9 games and scored one goal for Dunfermline

15 Feb 2012 19:18:09
just heard Paul McBride on SSN and his thoughts are the same as mine lose the tax case and the only option will be liquidation
C'MON THE H.......MRC

Lubo25

It will be liquidation in any event.

Defo liqudation the debt must be shockin even at the moment

Strange you swallow the biased opinion of this man. Saw him on TV nearly greetin that you couldnt win the league last 3 years.

Its come so apparent why we couldnt win it , has it not ,

Talking about swallowing things you lot just opened your big mouths and swallowed the lot ! {Ed007's Note - Are you on the right site mate??}

Yeah spot on you werent good enough :-)
and btw i'm not a an of supporter

15 Feb 2012 18:50:39
ed. dont you think there should be further punishment for withholding money from other member cubs ie. dundee utd,hearts and dunfermline. {Any punishment needs to be made when all the details are known, they aren't yet.}

Cheers ed. just wondered. {Ed007's Note - Cool mate.}

Ah say gie thum a fare trial then hing thum , simples,
ppfae the p

Yes I believe that this come under the catagory of not behaving in good faith with the the SPL (same as hearts charge) penalties can include expulsion!

David

15 Feb 2012 18:45:27
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17047957

If the above link is absolutley true and we suspected that ther was some form of clause, then this is league rigging! it cannot be true! if it is indeed true, who is going to take that televison company and the spl/sfa to task. I support Celtic obviously but like to think if we were doing what Rangers are and have done i would expect us to be dealt with the full fury of the RULE book. Thi is a sad sad sad story if indeed it is entirley true!

Also alex salmond chucking his tuppence in is shocking, football and politics dont mix as we are all aware due to certain chants!

I would be ashamed to call myself a Ranger fan right now if i was one! and also ashamed to be part of this farce of a contract if the claims are wholly true!!

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - I have said the exact same about this so called clause Evinguu. None of the English Eds or legal people I have spoke to believe it can legally exist, especially in a league uses a split system.}

We had always heard of the rumours, but if this proves true Ed then maybe we can get that whiter than white organisation FIFA involved lol.

This is a very serious allegation that has finally been made by the BBC, as i said its been said it is possible there is some form of clause. but this is the first media outlet i have seen say it as a certanty! Yet it is just reported so matter of factly its unreal! I woould say that this is bigger than whats happening to Rangers.

Evinguu

Alex salmond has spoken out because as much as you hate it rangers going to the wall will be the total demise of scottish football, dont think you will switch to epl cos u wont other clubs will go down and u know it so stop kidding yourself. Im not a rangers fan before you start but an englishman living in Scotland and certainly not a fan of salmond

We will never be ashamed We will be back RANGERS F.C. FOREVER.

Ed, I agree that if there is a clause that states that there must be 4 old firm games a season, or that both Rangers and Celtic must take part in the SPL for the contract to binding, it would never hold up in court. However, there could be a stipulation that Sky Sports and ESPN are allowed to cancel the contract at their own discretion or something along those lines. Get out clauses are common in the formation of a contract. As long as it does not stipulate how many old firm games or what teams must be involved etc, there will always be a way for the contract to be dissolved. Lets face it, its only the old firm games that they are after. Without them, the drop in the TV audience could, in theory, cost the broadcasters money. They may have to give a payment to the SPL -i would hope that if sky sports had a stipulation that they could cancel it at any time, the spl where clever enough to ensure a payment from them if they did, but it may be less that the cost of not having old firm games. Just a thought.

Graeme {Ed007's Note - I never said there was no cancellation clauses etc Graeme, all I ever said was that they could not stipulate any matches. I have heard (and it is as believable as the set derby matches) that part of the deal was Rangers had to guarantee that Rangers could fulfil their obligations of the deal at least for this season, entering administration can't help that if it is true, so Sly and other SPL clubs could technically sue Rangers.}

Dear Mr Englishman in Scotland, thanks for the input.


Never said as much as i hate it, never said Rangers are deffo going to the wall, i just think if there are stipulations in the televisual contracts that certain teams must be involved in the league to validate it then it demeans (right word? feck knows lol) the whole scottish game. And borders on league rigging.

If and i say if Rangers were to go to the wall i see nothing but trouble ahead for scottish football, do i think it will die? no. Simple.

As for Mr Salmond, he has no place to come out with statements such as this. If it were Celtic involved in this i would be equally unhappy with them for not paying their way fairly and would expect no one outwith the club to try and fight their corner or helpp them get off with any liabilities. If it were celtic I would be ashamed of my club deeply so! Any other business in this situation would not get that level of sympathy, the people who could lose their jobs would and there may be a degree of the govt wanting to try and help the company stay open, but there always comes a point wwhere enough is enough, although this clearly wasnt the case with the banks! anyways i digress and am going off into politics.

So before i start....

Evinguu

So in another words you agree with me cos in two years your sponsership your coeffiecent, advertising, and tv revenue would suffer massively making u on par with norway no money no decent league no decent players, how many players do u think think will join celtic in a non competative league il tell u NONE {Ed007's Note - It's been a long day, my best mate was attacked in a nasty dolphin related incident. If anyone knows what this post is about apart from a xenophobic rant against Norway can you help us out. WTF did Norway do wrong??????

Well ed says it all

Ed i think i might be able to help.... maybe.

Does this have anything to do with norwegian fishermen? or oil? oh it might be oil! And also Football is far from the most popular sport in Norway, Ice Hockey, floorball, Skiing etc all much much bigger! so i really dont get the point! we are already a small fry league anyways. Just so happens we have a couple of fish too big for the pond. And one of those fish over the last decade decided it didnt want to play fair with all the other fish or with its own fans or the taxman and its now coming to a head and could have relativley serious reporcussions for all other fish in the pond..

Yeah i deffo think that last point is about fishing.

WTF dude??!! i said it would be hard for scottish football and its all guesswork as to what could possibly happen with sponsors, tv money etc... thats the point no one really knows anymore. All im saying is it wouldnt be the end of scottish football! Maybe more streamlined than it is now, but certainly not recoverable esp if we get a newco working its way back up to become a force in scotland again albeit in a few yesars time! new firm could be the resale point, who starts the new chapter of the new firm on top celtic or the club formerly known as rangers even though they arent called that but we all know that its them anyway but they have to called something else cos everything went belly up. ( here thats a catchy club title)

Anyways to cut a long post short, wtf dude? Calm down a bit, read stuff over, no ones having a go, i actually agreed in some part with you just not all of it.

Celtic are already in effectivly a non competitive leage, hve been since the 90's (for the longest period of OF dominance anyways). A worst case scenario for rangers is not the be all and end all for scottish football, far from it. It could struggle more than it is now for a few years, but a few years of getting right back to grass roots etc and we can grow again, esp if a well supported rangers newco exists.

Not sure if this answers any point you have made or even if it contradicts my own points, maybe im gettin too tired for this crap!

Evinguu (sorry for the length Ed.... ok that sounds wrong lol) {Ed007's Note - Wrong but technically true, where did you see those pics of me??}

Im not xenaphobibic but maybe u know i'm right time will tell {Ed007's Note - It will if I look at a clock/watch/mobile. And have a word with your GP about that xenaphobobibic, I have never heard of it but is sounds a bit clatty TBH mate.}

Was Alex Salmond not saying that he was wanting HMRC to give Rangers a payment arrangement overtime to pay their TOTAL unpaid tax bill rather than them getting away with paying 20p in the £ or less? Seems sensible rather than them emerging from Administration,with a slightly new name, but without any tax debt at all. Not a supporter of either side of the Old Firrn just an angry Tax payer

Ed you forgotten some of the stuff i found online the other night already lmao.... I couldnt sleep!

Come on now, that is a bit harsh, xenophobibic could be some new type of antibiotic. suppositry for curing mild xenophobia?

Sorry nameless dude couldnt help myself there!

If only time could tell, Rangers would be in a lot more bother than they are now! And i am going to enjoy every minute of it untill some form of conclusion. Wether positive, negative or indifferent for scottish football. so yes you could be right in time who knows, thats the fun of a rumours/ banter site such as this, guessing!

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - Look at the post, it was xenaphobobibic, WTF is that????? :-)

Angry tax payer you could be right, my thoughts are that he shouldnt even be getting involved in that at all! And they have had 9 months to keep upto date with PAYE etc and didnt.

Even if he said i dont like seeing rangers or any business close to the community go out of business, but they must meet their bills like anyone else has to. End of. Comment is fine but i think he didnt need to go into any form of mention of tax payments, although he is first minister its not really his place to pass on suggestion from a positioon of influence, justice should run its course at least before anyone like him sticks his beak in. Again only my opinion.

Evinguu .... also an angry tax payer and general all round angry dude lol

Evinguu

I will totally agree with you Evinguu if Salmond is trying to arrange a deal with Hmrc and Rangers to give them time to pay back their debt to the Tax-Payer at 20p or less in the £ rate rather than it coming immediately from thier assets.Paying back their debts in full just seems a more fitting punishment than the alternative. Protecting the public purse etc I suppose has to come into it.

First Minister should not be involved in the courts, he also said a massively incorrect statement: Scottish football needs rankers, Celtic need rankers. Even though the men who know the Celtic accounts said that we dont.

15 Feb 2012 16:20:05
Just been taliking to a guy there who works for the suppliers of the fertilizer for the Ibrox pitch (no jokes please) and he was saying the company havent been paid for 4 months from Rangers.Makes you wonder how many creditors there will be.

Jungle Bhoy.

Richard aitken seedsmen is the company who supply rangers with most gear aswell as Celtic, he has a box at gers and your mob, he has been paid since 4 months ago Ive spoken to him as he is a diehard rangers fan and supply's the golf course Ii work at, he reckons rangers and ur mob always pay on time.

Muir bear {Ed007's Note - A seedsman? Is the stuff any good ;-)

Just saying what i got told.This guy says employees have been getting their wages but Gers haven't paid for last 4 months.

Jungle Bhoy.

The creditors list will be the length of your arm, lots of "wee guys" with small profitable honest businesses who will have to write it off as bad debts, shameful indeed

They do not need any fertiliser anyway because they have s**t on there park nearly every day

15 Feb 2012 15:35:57
Just seen an interview there and it seems that not only are Hearts owed around £800,000 for Wallace but rangers owe their last 2 opponents (Dundee Utd & Dunfermline) approx another £100,000.
So it would seem that each opponent in the remaining 'away' SPL games will also be out of pocket? Am I correct in this?
What, if any, contingency does the SPL or SFA have for compensation?
On a lighter note I can't wait to see the banners the humourus and witty wordsmiths come up with at the next OF game at Ibrokes.

Jungle Jim

We should ask if we can just sell out Celtic Park to tims and have no away allocation.

Bankier Bhoy

15 Feb 2012 13:47:45
Hey Edd. Heard a few ppl talking about Celtic winning the league at Ibrox. What is the possible scenario in order for this to happen? Also do you think the SPL would move the fixture to prevent this from happening? {Ed007's Note - Yes it is possible I doubt the fixture can be moved, why should it?:

www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/football/celtic-could-win-title-at-ibrox.16758983?_=48ceec31f9f473a4562c41539fbdffcbd6bafaab

Why should it ? incited riots?
no matter which half of Glasgow is to blame the riots could be prevented . weather or not it's fair it doesn't really matter .. but at the end of the day we have seen enough crazy in the game lately for forces out with football creating more havoc... we can all say it's not right it's not fair ... but there are other matters and situations that come along with that ... and it's easily prevented

I say let it happen ,as its about time all the crazies over the years against us were paid back before they go into liquidation

Will be moved if they can't pay cash up front for policing !!

Ed, was just thinking the police wouldnt be too keen on Celtic winning the league at Ibrox given their current predicament.

Fair do's if the game was at Parkhead I wouldnt see there being to much of a problem but if we beat Rangers on their own patch to mathmatically clinch the title then I feel their players and fans wouldnt take too kindly too that! {Ed007's Note - The logistics of rearranging a game of that magnitude would make it difficult, it is only a month away and other fixtures have to be fulfilled as well. Why should a match be rearranged for fear of trouble, the SPL said no derby would become a league decider as such again, that is easy to arrange after the split, but theses fixtures have been set since the summer. CFC could refuse to allow the fixture to be moved, other teams who's next few games would be disrupted could block it as well. Would Aberdeen be willing to swap when CFC go up there in a couple of weeks so that CFC can't win the league at Ibrox? I doubt it.}

If we win all our games up till the old firm game they drop points in 2 games up till then all we need 2 do is beat them at ipox and the title will be ours on the 25 march

Okay mate, cheers for explaining that!

If they lose 5 points and we keep winning , then yes we would win it at ibrokes

It would be a decision taken by Strathclydes Finest surely? if they had security fears (lets face it we all remember the last time a league title was clinched on the others patch) then they would have the game moved accordingly

15 Feb 2012 12:36:28
Edd if we win the league lol how many qualifiers do we need to play for the champions league {Ed007's Note - Both first and second place teams qualify for the 3rd Qualifying round next season. So that then a play off.}

15 Feb 2012 11:45:39
Will this enable Celtic to put forward a stronger case for admission into the EPL? {Ed007's Note - No.}

No, if we were going down there I think it would only be with rangers but if other EPL clubs get involved with the tax man over the Employee Benefits Scheme then Celtic might get an invite from The EPL if a big club goes burst down there.

Yes it will, the case will be put not by Celtic but by Sly as they seek to plug the gap in top rated fixtures. Also world audiences for Celtic games.

Sheer optimism here. Rangers and Celtic will never play in the EPL. There will be no invite for Celtic if a current EPL is Liquidated, if an EPL goes out the game then a club from the Championship will be brought in to replace them. Sly Spurts can't put any case forward, this is just fabrication.

TTG

15 Feb 2012 10:48:44
Mornin ed, just wonderin if you think theres much chance of them still being in admin at the begining of next season, coz surely they cannae raise 70-90m in 4months
mcdab {Ed007's Note - It will be a struggle to come out of admin before next season, meaning they start with -10 points.}

Lets get this right. Rangers will be liquidated before the end of the year as there is no money to run the administration.

Ahh a heard it was -25, cannae complain at -10 tho. just one more thing are motherwell/hearts gonna be given the shames champions league place? soz if its already been spoke aboot recently but a just got back fae holiday in havenae been on fir a wee while
mcdab {Ed007's Note - If Rangers don't qualify for CL through financial irregularities (assuming they come second in the league) then third place club will take their place.}

Would still mean early exit for both scottish also rans. Whats the dofference ? {Ed007's Note - No slagging spelling remember lads, but irony and the obvious question is staring out of this surely????}

15 Feb 2012 08:51:08
Do you think it is true that administrators would normally make staff redundancies with loans first (Bartley) players on short term higher wages (Aluko) (McCulloch...cotrant up at end of season will be in top half of earners)

Can see a few being punted but they will keep most of their players to sell in the summer