Celtic Rumours Archive November 14 2012

 

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14 Nov 2012 23:23:01
First time posting to this site but I'm a big fan. Travelling to Disneyland Paris next week with the kids and wondering if there's anywhere there that I might catch the Celtic v Benfica game? Any help appreciated!

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If you're staying in a Disney hotel, most of them have football games on. So I'm sure you will be able to watch it there.

Chad

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Go to myp2p.com and stream it.

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There's a Sports Bar in Disneyland Village, which has a sports channel on the big screens. Given that other big games will be on at the same time, you might have to ask staff to change channel.

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Go to sports bar in the Disney village mate it will be on there

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I would avoid going their the last time i went their where big giant mice running around everywhere environmental health would have a field day

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Mickey and Minnies place

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Wouldn't watch it in the Sports Bar because they only show Div3 games from Scotland cos its a Mickey Mouse league .........DH ...Boom Boom

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14 Nov 2012 22:09:04
First time poster here bond been reading the site a good while so felt its time i joined the fun i have to admit i personally feel the 16 team option is a good one familiarity breeds contempt as they say it would at very least mean more variety for our away day travels
Gally {Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site Gally. No other league messes about with leagues splitting and other leagues merging half way through a season, it's a load of bollocks if you ask me. Why do people always want to complicate football?}

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The only thing I would change is play-offs. I would bring them in and this no relegation or promotion into Div 3 has to go ! Mrs E

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The league is being structured for the benefit of one club and not the benefit of scottish football and will probably be changed again in a year or two when it turns out to be a disaster best thing is let sevco earn their place in spl then talk about league change that way you know it will be done for the right reasons and youll see how many media puppets change their tune because their all just pushing for it because it suits their club and their being fed greens succulent spam

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Correct Ed, how does 4 more diddly teams with diddly stadia in the top flight improve anything? It reduces the football quality fans don't want to get up go out pay for it and watch it. Yet these 4 get a cut of spl money helping to bankrupt your hearts, Motherwell. Etc...
And all 42 teams in a single association? Yeah and Celtic have one vote like alloa.
Celtic bring more money in than other 41 put together.

New Rangers are a huge insolvency risk how could any top tier allow a new club in that has no accounts, has no bank account and is credit blacklisted?
Chaos when they go bust during a season.

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Folks i defo do perceive the touted structures as a hidden agenda to get the zombies up to spl as quick as the person authorities can and as ed said mid season talks is daft. Ok clubs who could benefit in 16 team could be e.g falkirk,Partick,Pars admitedly not exactly well supported clubs but for many years our game has needed change 16 team mite not be that bad should it happened
Gally

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Ed - fair comment about messing with the leagues. The other posts talking about the hidden agenda are also fair as well. However, our league structure is failing and we need to do something drastic to fix it before its too late. The first major overhaul should not be the leagues but the heirarchy. No one trusts any of the present leaders so time for radical change. 1 controlling board called the Scottish Football Association with football people at the helm. (elected by representatives from each SFA Member Club) The old boys network has to be broken. Just my opinion but change starts at the top for me. {Ed007's Note - I totally agree with you. Our game isn't big enough to need three seperate governing bodies.}

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"Greens' succulent spam"......! Belter................kbt1978

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A single governing body makes rational sense in an honest clean country but look at why they want it, so that it can be like the good old days institutionally sectarian with rangers placed men led by Campbell Ogilvie types and Hugh Dallas packed full of anti Celtic men and stopping Celtic transfer visas/ registrations, letting ally McCoist off no case to answer and giving Neil Lennon 6 game ban, they've analyses what just happened to rangers and blame three different organizations on it. With one organization rangers would still be in top flight. That's a fact.

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Three governing bodies provides the right level of balance of each other to keep each other honest and critique each other. Imagine one secretive mafia behind doors at Hampden controlling everything. Everyone at a personal level would be in fear of it, managers, chairmen, players,... New rangers would have been allowed direct entry to top tier.
It could be worse every league could have a governing body so that would be four plus SFA makes 5.
Three is perfect for balance and keeping each other honest.

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Wait until rangers honestly work there way into spl through merit (for first time), no help from referees, then look at changes.
Don't be fooled that the game will collapse immediately and we need immediate change or there will be meltdown. Utter lies from rangers minded liars.

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Voting power of each club should be representative of their average fan base. A club with 55,000 paying fans gets 55 votes a club with 2,000 fans gets 2 votes. Fan base numbers confirmed by how much tax they pay on gate receipts.
That's democracy in action and representative power reflecting the wishes of the paying fans. The fans tell their clubs how to vote on issues.

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Why all the fuss, if the league gets restructured in any form then it will be 2015 the plans come in at the earliest, then rangers will be in the first division, so a wouldn't say changes are being made to suit rangers

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14 Nov 2012 21:31:35
That was some display from big Ibrahimovic, and i don't want to take anything away from the big man, but Forster has to be closer to getting a start in some of these friendlies now IMO. Hart is a brilliant keeper, but i think Forster would have done a little better tonight, as he'd have been hungrier.

Melb Bhoy

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I think forster would have saved 2 tonight. Hart was poor tonight

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If forster is hungry then FEED FORSTER MORE!

WilsonCumbernauld

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Was thinking the same thing and seeing how hart and man city have been losing goals and losing games, you have to think that Forster needs to get his start but sadly I don't think they can let a spl goalie be thier number one.

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I dont think the big man will get a start now tbh, i heard there were 4 or 5 debuts for them last night night. if ff was going to get game time he should have last night. hope im wrong tho..............bhoywonder

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Most of the commentators and pundits on the radio last night reckoned Fraser should have started and Hart was poor. His time will come.
Oh and WilsonCumbernauld why not stick to newco and SFL3 issues and leave the big boys game to those who actually know something about it.

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Excuse me? mr anon, i will have you know that i have been to more games than you have had hot dinners. I am not one of THEM and to even insinuate such a vulgur idea is an insult. Also the "feed forster more" is a wee joke about wrestling as Ed 007 is also the wrestling Ed. So if you attempt in any way to patronise me again i will have no choice but to break your arm.

WilsonCumbernauld

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Less of your cheek Wilson ya wee jabroni....... I'll slap the taste right out your mouth!

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Haha. thats hilarious. using celtic chat to try and show someone whose boss. Ya wee wallopers!

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14 Nov 2012 19:53:25
Why did the SFA appoint Henry McLeish to conduct an investigation into Scottish football and then not campaign strongly for the SPL and SFL to implement his findings?

I was in the minority who thought that the 10 team top league was the best way forward for Scotland as I think the benefits are there to see. The current 16 team proposal would see a league of 30 games. How can diluting the quality, sharing around more TV money, seeing a drop in crowds due to lower quality opponents and cutting the number of home games be in Scottish footballs best interests? The answer from the SFL: introduce a group stage into the League Cup. While a decent idea in itself, it won't cover the shortfall of 4 less home games a season.

I know there will be many who disagree here but I think the best way forward for Scottish football is a 10-16-16 structure, with the League Cup group stage idea being implemented into the Ramsdens Cup, with the governing bodies merging into the Scottish Football Federation, who deal with all matters and streamline the amount of pen-pushers.

Scottish Premiership: In a few years time, an top flight of Celtic, The Rangers, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee United, Motherwell, St Mirren, Inverness, Ross County, St Johnstone, taking away two "lesser" teams and having 1 team automatically relegated and 9th entering play-offs

-This gives clubs a guaranteed 4 home games a year vs Celtic & The Rangers, as well as 4 local derbies, and crowds should increase with a steady quality of opponent. 2 games less a season but with fewer meaningless end of season games plus minimum 4/6 big games a season, attendances will increase.

-TV money spread across less teams with an extra few hundred thousands filtering through the lower leagues, and with the league condensed,.

Scottish Championship: 16 teams, play each other twice, winner gains promotion to the SP, 2nd, 3rd & 4th enter playoffs, bottom team relegated & 15th into play-offs. All teams enter Ramsdens Cup group stage. More money filtered down from top flight & money from games shown on council TV including play-offs.

Scottish Football League: 16 teams, play each other twice, winner gains promotion to the SC, 2nd, 3rd & 4th enter playoffs, bottom TWO team relegated, 2 junior teams promoted. All teams enter Ramsdens Cup group stage. More money filtered down from top flight, play-offs on TV.

Ramsdens Cup: 32 teams enter, 8 groups of 4, seeded based on last years position, any teams relegated from top flight automatic first seeds. 6 games played, top teams go through to QF, meaning that ALL 42 clubs have minimum 36 game seasons plus Scottish & League cup ties.

Keep the Scottish & League cups in their current format, introduce Friday Night Football permanently, show highlights of all 21 games at weekend & the odd 2nd & 3rd tier game on council TV, as well as hopefully generate more interest in the Junior game plus make the bottom tier more competitive.
Any improvements to be made?

G93

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C,mon man - every 1 is fed up with playing teams 4 times a season in the league alone. Add to that the cup games and your talking possibly 6.

What we need is less games , cut out a cup and do what Spain do , have 2 legs in there only cup competition.

Remember the season when we played Rangers 7 times - by the fifth game I was fed up with all, sure its good to beat them but the game is more special when there is less of them.

We don't need midweek games , it would help come winter when our weather is shocking and I think it will make your Aberdeen , Hibs and maybe Hearts more competitive.

10 team league and 12 team league with split is really poor, has been for a long time and its time we got more teams in our Premier League.

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I agree it is rather tedious but right now clubs like Hearts, Motherwell and Killie aren't looking for a more interesting league, they are looking for a more financially beneficial league and 4 games vs Celtic & The Rangers is far better than 2 plus games vs Morton & Livi, theres no way this 16-10-16 will pass this vote.

If Scottish football was in the situation it was 6 years ago where clubs were doing well enough then yes I would agree with you, I think 16/18 teams would be the way forward but right now I can't see how cutting away a fifth of a season, as well as throwing in home games vs Raith would get clubs back in a steady position. Sadly right now a big league doesn't seem financially viable and I can't see an 11-1 vote being passed, it only benefits 1st division teams and will get boring after a few years as well as fans getting fed up with so many free weekends. A league of 10 is required through necessity atm, McLeish came to that conclusion for a good reason.

G93

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Your 4 derby games relies on the same teams remaining in the SPL. What chance neither of Ross County or ICT being relegated? Motherwell or St Mirren?

Hearts going bust? Sevco going bust? Again.

4 league games v each team per season is crap anyway

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Why dont we have 3 leagues of 13 and one league of 1 then sevco can stick their corrupt money up their dairys and realise they need us more than we need them

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14 Nov 2012 19:47:01
Hello Ed and all the bhoys (and ghirls Mrs E)!
Had a computer sabbatical (mid life crisis to blame) Anyhow's, enjoying the banter from both sides of the great divide. My main point is, let's not worry too much about the league as it will take care of itself. The other clubs will either beat each other, draw with each other, or go out of business. If we have a cracking run in the CL (and maybe win it, who knows, who would have thought Stirling Albion would have beat (The)Rangers?) then we will take care of league business at a later stage. We have a game in hand and can still go top if we win that, so we should throw everything we have into qualifying for the last 16. The further we go into Europe, the more money we earn for the club. Our bhoys are heroes, but they are also human. Hard to motivate yourself to get back into domestic action when you have just beaten (arguably) the best team in the world. Don't rise to the dark side, they have no justification to slag us off. They have their own troubles, and the deluded amongst them think that their trouble is over. They have no idea what's in store! So, let's look forward to a visit to the Dons, and then a wee tasty morsel of a CL tie in Portugal, while our slightly poorer neighbours look forward to a visit to EAST STIRLING! (which is in Falkirk)!

BigRab

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It's played in stenhousemuir not falkirk

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Cheers mate, I stand corrected. As far as I was aware, they used to play at Firs Park in Falkirk. Apologies for not keeping up with my 3rd division football. I was too busy googling CL stadiums :-)

BigRab

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Someone posted down a bit about out remaining 4 games in November, would love the 12 points.

All I can think is we defo need a result in Aberdeen at the weekend and i've heard talk of a draw will do in Portugal but we play to win. I'll worry about the other games after that ~ Mrs E

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A score draw in Portugal will put us out of reach assuming Spartak don't beat Barca. The next 3 league games are a bit dodgy, Aberdeen have only had 1 defeat in 12, ICT after away game in CL (shouldn't normally be difficult but going on this seasons experience) and Hearts in front of a packed Tynecastle midweek. Last 16 and 9 points very achievable.

G93

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Mayb win it

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14 Nov 2012 19:10:34
Any links for the Scotland game tonight

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14 Nov 2012 18:22:16
Flying out on Monday for the Benfica game only to see on TV that UEFA are considering playing the game behind closed doors because of flares thrown on to park at the last two CL games . Decision by end of the week .........DH

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Won't happen.

Jamie Mac(that is all)

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UEFA have postponed the meeting till after the Hoops game. So enjoy your trip mate.

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14 Nov 2012 17:06:20
Does anyone know if forster starts for england tonight

Celticthomas

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News says Joe Hart

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He's not starting which is a shame as Hodgson is giving three new starts tonight.....DH

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