Celtic Rumours Archive November 13 2012

 

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13 Nov 2012 22:06:16
Celtic's next 4 games in November are vital : Aberdeen (away) , Benfica (away), ICT (home) and Hearts (away) . What I wouldn't give for the maximum 12pts .

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Agree, but its going to be tough and stretch the depth of the squad , personally we all know the best 11-15 odd players but i wanna see people like paddy mc court, ibram and mcgeough come out and start challenging for places we will need to rely on a few fringe players to get through this

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Paddy McCourt had his chance long ago.

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They can only play if they get a chance and Mr Lennon seems to stick with same tried and tested players even after they had bust a gut v barca. The ONLY critism I have of him.

team for sat should read

Forster
Mathews
Wilson
Mulgrew
Chamers
McCourt
Samaras
Ledley
Forrest
Ibraham
Miku

Prob wont happen but it should. We need fresh players for Benfica

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Mc Court?!? Please everyone stop puting him in the starting 11. Not good enough to wear the hoops. Sell him, release him, i don't care.

Joeshmo1888

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Id be happy with the score draw against Benfica and have the MSM tell us that even though we are in the last 16 we are a bad team . Listen we will win the league with 10 + points and thats good enough for me . It will make it more exciting after Christmas . If NL was resting players and dropping points the same fans would be saying he should keep a steady team . He canny win with some folk .
CelticMatt

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None of these games will decide anything -

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How many chances do people want to give McCourt ? personally I would have far rather have kept Niall McGinn, and said so at the time.

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I would rather have Father Ted than paddy McCourt

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13 Nov 2012 20:10:19
Great goal here from the youngster Atajic. Hopefully he can do this for the senior squad one day.
Ontario Bhoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz-lpz3fiP0

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Got a couple last night as well, looks as tho he has a bright future!

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Looks like he'll save us a few million in the future with a bit of luck

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Are they not on about releasing him?

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13 Nov 2012 10:40:25
I posted yesterday about the negativity of some posters.
In reply: Gunniebhoy and 3 others, I find your points and stance, quite frankly ridiculous.
Start to THIS season 'shambolic'?! Is that a joke statement? What about LAST season - 3rd defeat (i think) of the season away to Hearts and 15 POINTS BEHIND IN OCTOBER!? To a Rangers side who were FLYING remember. And no Champions League to distract either - I wonder how many of you questioned our squad and our manager then? Not that anyone would admit it now.
We have just came off the back of one of our GREATEST EVER results - Lennon said we had only half a days preparation for St Johnstone. Admittedly we should be able to win, but we have no divine right to win every game. Do you not think that Lomas would have had his players fired up to beat the team that just beat Barca? We cannot afford to be snobs about the SPL teams. Lennon will always publicly back the SPL, but privately he knows we will win it - the CL is the priority - until the group stages are over. I predict we will then go on a long winning run. We will see (my opinion only).
There is a strange anomaly, where better teams than Celtic, for as long as football has been played, have followed a great result and performance with a poor result and performance. That is what makes football. The unexpected. The same as Celtic beating Barca. Without that, then football becomes boring.
Was it not widely posted on here that the SPL teams outwith Celtic, could perhaps improve without Rangers - as they would have an achievable incentive to finish 2nd - resulting in a (possibly) more competitive league? Is the league not competitive so far this season?
For me, there is a section of the Celtic support suffering from "Fanatus Spoilus Footballus" or Spoiled Football Fan Syndrome, where there is an expectation to win every single game, with an inability to sit back and enjoy - no, TRULY, SAVOUR a win against BARCA in the Champions League. Trust me, football moves on so fast it will be a distant memory when we are clear in February and walking over the line to the title.
The last time there was an outbreak of the above 'Syndrome' was in Govan in the 1990's - that is why I say again: We are Celtic supporters are we not different. Or are some of us just arrogant?................kbt1978

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Great post kbt1978. The league at the minute is quite competitive, which has to be a good thing. Lets celebrate the Barca game, and celebrate Hibs and co for making us work hard for a title, the way it should be.

Joeshmo1888

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Well said ktb. Every true Celtic fan supports & backs the team win, loose or draw. I remember the dark days, oldco dominating domestically,nearly going out of business, the Mowbray "era". Now we have a fantastic team. Need proof? We just beat the best team in the world midweek, & it's been a long long time since I've saw Parkhead rock like it did on Wed. OK, so we lost against St Johnston........ and the problem is what? Get a grip & live in the moment, "These are great days my friend. We're Jolly Green GIANTS"
Win, loose or draw........... WE ARE CELTIC

JollyGreenGiant

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Get a grip lads we are not bad celtic supporters because we critisize the team when we lose they know themselves that it is not good enough in order to improve you need to work on your weaknesses and mistakes because every team can improve even barca at defending free kicks so if barca have areas for improvment then we all know that celtic need to improve... its great we beat barca but then not going out beating teas like st johnston and kilmarnaock takes away from those results. we all know that if rangers were in the league with us that the fans would be going mad so we shouldnt let our standards slip.
Donegal Bhoy

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Kbt a understand wot ur sayin n a agree wae u on most of ur post but as a said before am not just talkin about the barca game why is the barca game the excuse here ? whats the excuse for all the other games we hav been poor ? end of the day mate a go 2 home n away games n champions league so am i not entitled 2 hav an oppinion on why we r struggling in the league ? this is a forum for people 2 voice ther oppinions but the min u hav 1 bit of criticism ur called arrogant or a part time supporter or sum other sh1t am in no doubt about we wil win the league and qualify for the last 16 of the cl am just angry at the excuses gettin made everytime we hav a poor league performance and result cant use barca as the excuse for ross county away st johnstone away killie at home hibs at home d.utd away. And ur point about last season aye a questioned lennon when we went 15 points behind as did he himself say it plus any 1 on here who say they didnt either is lies we all did at sum point question his management but am a big enough man 2 admit a was wrong and hes doin an amazing job. 1 last point just wondering why its always talked about we hav a fantastic depth of squad so why wasnt it used at the weekend after the barca game ? 1 change was made so if they wer that mentally n physically drained why wasnt the huge depth of squad we've got used.

gunniebhoy

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Kbt 1978 I find your opinion unbelieveably ARROGANT, you should respect the opinion of others that are also die hard Celtic fans and there is no excuse for some of the defeats in the league so far this year,if The Rangers were chasing us home i imagine your opinion might just differ slightly .

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What a lot of folk forget is that teams like Hibs , Killie , etc were dropping at times 12 points to Rangers , but now they could be gaining it at Dundees expense making it a competitive and closer title fight.........DH

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I remember saying to the Mrs (as St Mirren destroyed us 4 nil) - we used to be a team to be feared in Europe and how I wished I could have savoured the O'Neill/Larsson/Strachan years, for even 1 minute more - felt I took it for granted (looking back that night) - and DEFINITELY NEVER thought I would see them again for a LONG time.
Sometimes you have to cast your mind back - not even that far - to appreciate what we have right now. The next few years are going to be great years to be a Celtic fan.
Enjoy it, support the team and look at the bigger picture at times - something we Celtic fans have always been respected for.
Hail! Hail!.................kbt1978

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We are a point behind with a game in hand! We were 15 points behind this time last year! We will go clear when we win our game in hand!
There is no excuse for losing games? That is being arrogant my friend.
But let me understand.....you think we are dropping points because Rangers are in Div 3? Rangers are no more - for now.
I am not saying you can't have an opinion. I am saying some are looking for problems when there are none. Tony Mowbray was a problem FFS ................kbt1978

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To the last post so Kbt aint allowed his opinion? I for one agree with him get behind the team once we are out of Europe Celtic will walk the league, you lot will be on here moaning about it being boring

Get a grip one of the best results ever and you lot are moaning a few days later LMFAO

Dannybhoy

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Anyone trying to justify the current league form is just sticking their heads in the sand. Celtic should be so far in front just now, instead our fans are accepting the defeat at home against Killemarnock and the draws at home to St Johnstone as well as defeats at Perth. Just remember we are away to an in form Aberdeen on Saturday and could be 5 points adrift if the players decide to put in another performance like the one on Saturday. If we allow this form to drift into any of the last two champions league group matches the last 16 will become a distant memory!

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I stopped reading this post when i got to "better teams than celtic" ,.,.kbarry

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It was only 15 points behind last season because rangers started last season well. You are basically saying its accetable to perform this poorly as the players know they will win it again. Forget europe - priority no1 was to run away with the league - i was hoping to be at least 10pts ahead by now - not because other teams are bad - because celtic should be consistent and woth players being upto 10times the opponents it is acceptable to say the start has been SHAMBOLIC

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KBT, everyone allowed an opinion as you say but I dont agree with your comments and feel there are many unacceptable points in your counter argument to gunniebhoy.
Is it accpetable after first full round of domestic fixtures to have dropped almost 40% of available points?
Our squad depth and talent is such that we should be expecting to defeat most teams with the odd occasional off day. Thats not arrogance just simply looking at the opposition in front of us. There are many who post about how The Rangers are struggling in Div 3 and how they shouldnt because of competition, wages, player quality - same argument here.
I dont believe the other teams have improved siginificantly on last term, have been to a number of games where its come down to our attitude and commitment - one of the worst for me was St J in perth - shocking.
CL fatigue? Excuse - plain and simple. Professional athletes should be able to recover 4 days after Barca game. Take a look at pro tenni players for mental and physical exertion. How many matches do they play back to back?
It all comes down to complacency or dare I say arrogance by the players that they just turn up for domestic matches and league is won, this isn't just a league issue either, look at the cups.
As for other CL teams dropping points - have a look at stats of other teams.
Before you come back with "I'm a part time supporter etc etc" yawn - forget it, go to many games home & away. U going to Pittodrie on Sat? Stevo Dundee

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Stevo:
Did I ever blame or say CL fatigue? No.
Did I say teams have a habit of struggling after big games - yes. Its just a fact.
Did I offer any explanation as to WHY teams struggle? No.
Its the same as team being vulnerable as soon as they score - it just happens sometimes - can't put a finger on it.
My point is why are you all so negative and greetin' about a draw to St Johnstone? Days after the best result in years. Poor performance. Move on to the next game.
Are we performing in the Champions League? - YES.
Are we through to the semis of the first domestic cup? -YES.
Are we performing in the league? - possibly not BUT results wise? I would have to say as we are 1 point behind with a game in hand then YES, as that takes us clear at the top if we win.
Is it not the mark of CHAMPIONS to get results and hang on in there when not PLAYING well? - FFS Man Utd have been doing it for years.
I am not an (arrogant) Celtic fan who expects us to 'pump' the league by November - certainly not with the CL and a very young team (average age 24). Our league would be an even bigger joke if that were indeed the case, but I digress. 15 points behind this time last year? Tony Mowbrays team? = Perspective bhoys.
Ps I won't be at Aberdeen as I work nearly every weekend. I go to as many home games as possible - work commitments allowing. I am no less a Celtic fan than any other on here - including you Stevo, and am entitled to my opinion - you don't have to like it...................kbt1978

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You say the team average age of the team is 24 which makes it even worse that we are dropping points after champion league games as they should be able to recover quicker than older players i believe it boils down to what stevo said the players attitude on a match day because they cant seem to motivate themselves to play the league games and the management must look at how they are preparing the team but they are also learning their trade and i have no doubt they will find a solution to the problem..... also you are no less of a supporter if you do not or can not attend matches as long as you watch the game or keep to date on the teams form there is competition on who the best fan is..
Donegal Bhoy

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I question Lennon EVERY WEEK.... he is only as good as his last result.

Yeah I want to win EVERY game, it is part of being a Celtic fan.
I DO worry about the selections Lennon makes at times.... like I applaud his changes that prove to be game changers!
That is my JOB as a fan, if I didn't moan, then there would be no progress, if I didn't cheer us when we are playing well there would be no atmosphere.... the simple thing is... I support MY club, no matter who is in charge (yeah, I remember Lou Macari as boss!), who plays up front, who is in goal.
I have moaned and effed and jeffed at lennon on MANY occasion.... just like I have done with EVERY other manager. But I have cheered and rejoiced when he/they have deserved it!
Hats off to the manager/back room team/players for the Barca result... but alas if we don't qualify from the group no of it will matter! Let it go now, the rsult is finished, do you think other clubs bang on about one result for weeks??
The league is NOT WON IN NOVEMBER, don't belive me? as Jelavic ;-)

Celtic to the core, always have been, always WILL be!

we are MORE THAN A CLUB!

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Personally I am still enjoying the barca game and all these discussions won't change that. I don't give a toss if we win the league on goal difference from whoever is second. I've have Seen it all before so I won't allow myself to be distracted by others who concentrate on the negatives.say I am still enjoying the Barca game and will continue to do so for many months to come almost irrespective of what happens in the rest of the season. I do think we will win the league by at least 10 points BTW. Sopot Celt

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Played 12 won 6 is not good enough. beaten by Kilie at Celtic park for first time in 60 years. St Johnstone taken 4 points from 6 off us.

Barceona game now a distant memory too. Stop going on about one great result and see what's happening in other games. Right now this team are dropping points and playing badly domestically. Another loss against Aberdeen this weekend and it gets worse, a win and it gets rosy. That's football. You are only as good a your last game and we were shocking in that one.

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I've been drawn into a bun fight.
The post was about FANS being negative / arrogant.
The same thread runs through the other 3 posts I have here - An expectation that we should be pumping every SPL side? Doom and gloom at dropped points when we have CL last 16 in our own hands? Rangers bust FFS?
I offered no assessment or solution to the drop in league form. Feel free to read it again bhoys.
My post is ultimately about other posters (at least that was the intention)..................over and out... kbt1978

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Kbt support ure view fair enough have a moan but some of the nonsense been hearin on radio snide from. Celtic fans is embarrasing we don't have Devine right to win every game get behind the team moan to one and other but not we're the mankies can hear sick of them going on about we had 48000 fans I but only paying 3division prices

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Barcelona game a distant memory! I think You need to take a large dose of reality with your next double. Please don't believe everything the football pundits say. They make a very decent living out of talking pi$h. One of those expressions or sounbites is yes you guessed "your only as good as your last game" in fact that is utter pi$h! Sopot Celt

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12 Nov 2012 23:19:09
www.celticfc.net/fanpic...... has everyone who was at the game last wed checked this out and found themselves in the crowd......Stevie

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Yes me and the whole family did it.It was a fantastic idea
GreenJellyBaby x

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Aye mate, i cant see my face cos im turned to my left talking ****e into the guy next to me's ear. Ragin

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Dont know whos idea this was but great idea.

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13 Nov 2012 08:19:15
I'm not putting a downer on any of our strikers but does anyone know if there's any truth in us going for graziano pelle either in January or the summer?
Heard on a few fan sites in Italy that they were quoted as saying we are looking at him
He,s currently on loan to feyenoord from Parma and is a typical 6"3 centre forward
He's a typical giroud presence, the guys a beast!

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That rumours about 2/3 years old mate, we ended up signing Murphy instead of him :p Cheeky Bhoy

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Was dated as 2 November 2012? Aye a knew we were looking at him as well as Bianchi but according to them we,re looking at him cos he,s doing well at feyenoord

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12 Nov 2012 23:05:09
first time ive posted in ages and had a wee thought on our countries game , why dont we do something similar to what happened in germany , drop the price of tickets to games and try full out our stadiums surely its better to have a full stadium and make a small profit , than to try hold out for a larger profit when the tickets are more expensive . and the it would be better for the players to play in full stadiums as apposed to empty stadiums that feels like grave yards

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Doh! This is the first time ive heard this idea
,.,.kbarry

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It makes sense to do something like that and it should have been introduced in the League Cup as a tester.
Unfortunately clubs - especially here - run on the tightest of budgets and guaranteed income at the higher ticket prices dictates their survival in most cases.
In our case with approx 40,000 season books (paid in advance) it is a much bigger financial scenario to tamper with.
Ironically Celtic fans visiting away grounds were always asked to pay more as the others took full advantage of our huge travelling support; when a bit of forward thinking with reduced pricing would have probably filled their grounds to capacity.

Jungle Jim

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The chairmen of the clubs just won't allow it. I think we should be looking more at starting the season in April or so, and play 2 games a week through the summer but still keeping a rough shape to our season, this would defo give us a larger tb audience and tv contract, also open doors for summer loan moves for decent epl players needing game time

Bowbhoy

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This is a very hot topic in the football and sports industry in general. A number of clubs down South are trialling "Dynamic Pricing" which allows for reductions in certain games, last week Middlesborough trialled it in their game with Sheff Wednesday and it was a success. Clubs who are pioneering this method are Derby County, Cardiff City and Bristol City..the not so big EPL clubs ar watching with interest. My company approached Celtic with thoughts of doing something similar and were given very short shrift :-(

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