Celtic Banter Archive June 09 2014

 

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09 Jun 2014 23:51:44
What about Jackie McNamara as our number 2? I don't think he'd walk Away from Dundee utd! But I really think he would be the perfect fit and natural replacement when our new guy eventually moves on!?

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{Ed007's Note - I think Jackie is better staying where he is and letting his career progress under his own steam to see where it goes.}

I'm probably pushing it a bit here but do you think we can get Kenny Dalglish some role at celtic?

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{Ed007's Note - Well somebody's going to have to sweep The Celtic Way so why not, after his time managing Liverpool he's used to moving rubbish about.}

I agree he would progress better on his own but he would be a cracking number 2! Who would u like for our new no 2 ed? Maybe give Kennedy a shot?

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{Ed007's Note - I suggested on here promoting Kennedy when Mjallby left, I'd rather see him than Collins doing it, Jim Duffy is also a far better coach than Collins and he would crawl over broken glass to work at CFC. I've heard big Stubbs might be leaving Everton, he'd do a great job, if he would move back up here.}

I would be for Jackie Mac too. I think his Scottish Football knowledge would be ideal to push Ronnie to lead Celtic to a new high . In years to come Jackie would have the choice to lead Celtic or go to a big player in a major league with R D . Staying at D UTD and maybe with four or five bright young sparks sold, Jackie could obviously struggle and maybe not get the chance we would all like .

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09 Jun 2014 19:54:32
Folks

BBC Alba tonight at 9pm. Jock Stein.

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09 Jun 2014 16:38:41
Hi ED hi all I am like a kid in a candy store just now and if you ever see me you would say I was the kid in the candy store LOL I just can't wait to see who RDs first true signing will be not some one the board have picked

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09 Jun 2014 16:32:06
What about John Kennedy or Billy Reid for the no.2 spot at Celtic?

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Billy Reid? No thank you. Did alright at Hamilton, but a lot of the success was down to other men behind the scenes. Scott Struthers, Frankie McAvoy, Les Gray, Ronnie McDonald, etc.

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09 Jun 2014 14:31:41
Ed007 have you or any other readers heard any news on Denny Johnstone, heard yesterday he had signed for Dundee Utd but can't find out for sure anywhere.

The Happy Turnkey

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{Ed007's Note - Johnstone was offered a new deal but told the club in March/April he wanted to move on and Dundee Utd would be his most likely destination. I don't know if anything has happened regarding it though, sorry.}

Cheers Ed I had to say I thought the informant was questionable as my info on Denny is pretty good and i'm at the same stage as yourself with info on him at the moment if I here anything ill post.

The Happy Turnkey

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{Ed007's Note - Good man, cheers.}

Seen the boy a few times sorry not Celtic class hope he does well tho

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So Mallybhoy explain to me exactly wot you are looking for or ( Celtic Class ) as you put it. This is a young guy only 18-19 playing week in week out for the u20s and in my eyes showing himself in a pretty good light over the last couple of seasons, he came back from an injury earlier in the season and done what he is paid to do score goals, i'd rather see him given a chance of a run out every now and again with the first team for experience if nothing else but if we keep of loading our youth and buying £2m pukki and baldes i'm sorry but sends out the wrong message to any youth coming through the ranks.

Rant over

The Happy Turnkey

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If he's that good why let him go?

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Happy the boys a decent player but Celtic are lookin for something special, is he better than what's in the first team just now IMO not even close, the turnover in young players every year is incredible you here there names but very few are up to, av seen it with my own bhoys but let's hope he proves Celtic and me wrong hail hail .

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09 Jun 2014 20:33:55
Mallybhoy celtic have offered the boy a new contract so they are not letting him go as you say. I agree maybe not any better than what we have at present but don't forget he is only 18 and still developing also a product of the youth set up surely better blooding these guys than I said in original post £2m flops just my opinion of course.

The Happy Turnkey

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Some people feel that it is relatively easy to score in under age competitions
It appears that some players who shine in youth football may not show up in
in- house matches against SPL type defences .

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09 Jun 2014 23:25:06
And even when they do they are not given an extended run in the first team , one of the reasons I wasn't 2 sad to get a change of manager.

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DUFC are after the boy, no definite offer submitted as yet in terms of compensation.
Mallybhoy, explain how any youngster is meant to progress beyond the glass ceiling of u20 when previous manager was more interested in his own gratifying records than promoting from within?
we've had 2 seasons of going with the usual suspects when opportunity was there to blend youth with experience domestically.

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If Denny was good enough he'd have been in but good luck to the bhoy, we all moaned about Callum Mcgregor bein out on loan and that he should be in the first team, I admit av hardly seen the lad but watched Scotland v Holland to see what we've been missin and sorry on that showin not much, as I say you here there names, but if they're good enough they'll make it .

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I've saw the kid a few times also, and thought he was just ok, - for God's sake he is the same age as Barkley. Just because you don't think he's good enough/Celtic class doesn't mean you are having a go, you are simply giving an honest opinion! Like many of the kids coming through our academy they don't seem to improve from about 17 up, they seem to go backwards in fact. That's why most of our young players end up at Hamilton/Morton etc. Something is far wrong - hopefully our new manager identifies the problem, I know that the application and coaching would be a good place to start. The young lad we just released - Lewis Kidd, he is another who was top drawer at 16, same as Paul George. The latest kids coming through Aiden Nisbett/Calvin Miller etc look good also, but how do we make them into the next Ross Barkley. Why can Celtic not produce a world class player anymore, like a Jinky/Murdoch?

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Totally agree Paul with your post, if Celtic have offered Denny a deal and am not sure about that he must be leaving because he doesn't think he'll break into first team but as a say hope he proves me wrong

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We don't know whether our new manager will play Denny or other youths . I imagine they have to prove at training and at in house games they are good enough . That's the bit we don't know . It's easier at D UTD and at RD previous team to push your way on to team as there are less and less capable players blocking your way .

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09 Jun 2014 10:43:16
Ed, how about a wee poll on who's the most successful Celtic manager in the last 15 yrs?

- Martin O'Neill, 5 yrs / 2000-05: Three titles, six domestic cups, one UEFA Cup final appearance.

- Gordon Strachan, 4 yrs / 2005-09: Three titles, three domestic cups, two appearances in the Champions League knockout stages.

- Neil Lennon, 4 yrs / 2010-14: Three titles, two domestic cups, one appearance in the Champions League knockout stages.

I think we can all agree that there's no reason whatsoever to involve Barnes, Dalglish or Mowbray as they only won one domestic cup combined lol.

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{Ed007's Note - No problem HB, here it is here.

Cheers mate!

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09 Jun 2014 16:42:30
Even though martin achieved more I still would argue all day strachan done the better job considering the difference in money and the old squad he was left with then having to reduce the wage bill and build a new team and still winning 3 in a row

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He did what MON couldn't do in five yrs, two seasons in a row - get out the CL Group Stage. Still really torn between the two though!

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Don't forget mon got knocked out with 9 points, and that cheating diving can't amoroso

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Three weeks ago, Lennon was "Mr Celtic to the core" n the best thing that'd ever happened to the club. How times have changed in such a short space of time:

Who's the most successful Celtic manager in the last 15 years?

Martin O'Neill - 5 years / 2000-05: Three titles, six domestic cups, one UEFA Cup final appearance. (37%, 36 votes)

Gordon Strachan - 4 yearsrs / 2005-09: Three titles, three domestic cups, two appearances in the Champions League knockout stages. (62%, 60 votes)

Neil Lennon - 4 years / 2010-14: Three titles, two domestic cups, one appearance in the Champions League knockout stages. (1%, 1 votes)

Total Votes: 97

I bet if you fired up Ronny Deila on there he'd have got more votes than Lennon.

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Hamiltonsbhoy, if you are right it speaks volumes for the mindset of those who voted . I see very good reasons for voting for all three and to me it depends on the ratings you put against each managers strong points and of course points that needed improving .

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Based on the hard facts Yourman. MON won 3/5 titles, 6/10 domestic cups + reached a UEFA Cup final. Strachan won 3/4 titles, 3/8 cups + reached the Last 16 twice. Lennon won 3/4 titles, 2/9 cups + reached the Last 16 once. If you start making it too complex, Lennon is out the running altogether as he had no competition domestically for half his run as manager!

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Well Lennon cannot be held accountable for the level of the opposition . I think O' Neil won one of his leagues and the Govan team were not his main rivals .
I don't want to start a major Lennon discussion, he is now past tense but even though MO'N inherited a team 21 points behind, he also inherited some great players and he spent freely. Both WGS and Lennon inherited weaker teams and had little to spend . Neil has left the club in a very strong financial position . In fact I now think that the ideal position for Celtic was for him to leave as he did with the makings of a very good team and a bit of money for Ronnie to move the club forward .

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09 Jun 2014 14:12:01
When is this for sale?

Cheers

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{Ed007's Note - The new top I take it? I'm sure JB said the 19th of June.}

Aye, I did mean the new top. Cheers for the swift reply ed, bit gutted going on holiday Thursday with a few of the bhoys for opening games of World Cup would have been nice to have the new top on show.

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Launch date should have been the 12th but now i've been told 19th June.

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09 Jun 2014 13:28:05
Hi Ed. How you keeping bud? Delighted with signing of Ronny. Fresh beginning. Tired of getting ex players or Scottish& Irish players link with the job. Ronny's is very positive. Hopefully it will come out in the players. Any transfer rumours yet? Bigirishmac

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{Ed007's Note - I'm good thanks BIM. I've not heard anything regarding transfers, Deila will be looking over DVDs of matches and available data on the squad and I'm sure Pedro is on holiday now.}

09 Jun 2014 13:37:20
I've put a photo of the real kit on sightings page.

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It's grew on me over the course of the weekend, when's this likely to be released JB?

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09 Jun 2014 16:43:38
You can't be going round wearing that man!

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I've been told the 19th HB.

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09 Jun 2014 11:14:24
Ed,

Would really like to know who you think has the credentials for the much talked about number 2. Now be honest do you think Simon Donnely and Darren Jackson would have cut the mustard as a backroom team. That's why Jackie wasn't even considered. Lennon Mjalby and Thomson were all winners on the park Jackie mac too but Sid and Daz don't fill me with confidence maybe I'm wrong and just like To be a fantasist with nostalgic ideologies.

My feelings are you are frustrated by the appointment of Ronny and don't trust the board. John Kennedy has been coaching for the past 10 years is he experienced enough for you. The George Looney jibe made me laugh loads of decent coaches are out of work at the minute. What you need to remember is we need stability bringing in coaches from various places won't work long term. John Collins John Kennedy Willy McStay and a buffer for Ronnie would be ideal.

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{Ed007's Note - Don't you be worrying yourself about my feelings, especially when you're miles wide of the mark, I'm just delighted we don't need to watch another season of NL dragging the club down, Deila showed more positivity in one interview than NL showed in 4 years.
As I said, I would go for Craig Burley or Chris Morris. Morris has been successfully coaching the Bodmin College team for years and even at Exeter City's Centre of Excellence working with 12-16 year olds. Pat McGinlay and Stevie 'Baggio' Fulton played for us as well so they surely must be in with a chance, maybe Andy Walker would give up his media work for the chance. Does anyone know what Brian McLaughlin is up to these days?}

Is brian mclaughlin not hoopy the huddle hound!

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Listen Ano we don't agree on much but your havin a laugh right .

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I hope I am wrong, but maybe after four years, RD will have his positive ness knocked out of him . There is nothing like threats, bombs, adverse media and a stingy board to dilute the positive nature of any young manager .

However if the supporters and the board get behind Ronny Deila we should have a positive manager for years.

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09 Jun 2014 09:56:23
This morning's Scotsman is reporting that Celtic youth coach John Kennedy has emerged as a contender to become Ronny Deila's number two. It also says former Hibs boss John Collins remains the favourite for the role but an agreement has yet to be reached. I doubt Ronny has earmarked either of these guys as his number two, why not let him pick his own coaching staff?!

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I too would like John Kennedy, a very young coach who is likely to fully take aboard Ronnie's ideas and do his best to implement them.

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09 Jun 2014 08:27:45
I think we should snap up Schieber quickly.

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And why's that? 23 goals in 152 games over 6 yrs is quite worrying for a 25 yr old striker.

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What happened to the other part of my sentence? Is was only a bit of banter!

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{Ed007's Note - We don't publish anything quoting Wikipedia simply because it is totally unreliable as anyone can edit the content.}

 
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