Celtic Banter Archive July 09 2015

09 Jul 2015 22:44:33
I keep getting the usual pish that we can't afford a better callibre of CF! Ed any one can you's talk some F'ing sense about this subject? We can afford it and Finbo would join in a heart beat so we can attract the right talent!

10 Jul 2015 00:36:46
Mate it's total bullshit that wee can't afford a better calibre of player! We can but we just won't spend it! there's people in charge of our club that talk about CL is where we belong and we're a massive club,but the reality is that the only thing that we more than hold our own with any of Europes elite is our fans!! there's no ambition by our board to try and give the CL a good go! In fact in the past couple of years I don't even know if they'r bothered if we even get in at all! And before anyone says anyone says anythin,by good go I don't mean 10 million pound strikers! But a few quality signings that can make that wee difference! Lawell can kid himself on all he wants,and I'm sure there's some fans he can pull the wool over there eyes! But more and more fans know the truth! And as a few other posters have said,a few of the teams we can get in this play off round are no mugs! Just hope we're as ready and well equipped as we can be!

10 Jul 2015 06:45:12
C'mon folks, do you think Celtic just don't players to annoy supporters?

Do you think this is where guys like Peter Lawwell who thrive on success and reputation get their kicks - winding us up?

Players like Hooper would prefer to play in teams battling relegation in England than stay here - it doesn't matter if we agree or not, that's what happens.

I'd like to see better strikers than Cifcti & Griffiths but I don't think it's down to the board just trying to annoy us, I think there's a bit more to it.

10 Jul 2015 09:19:25
It's no just been able to afford it's been able to bring them to Scotland

10 Jul 2015 09:56:15
Mrs E I don't think they do It to annoy us I'm not that narrow minded! I'm annoyed that our fans just accept the small club mentality! Ciftci might turn into a player under RD and I will give him a chance but I'm annoyed at the amount of wasted money on balde, pukki,mikus wages and the rest of the dud strikers we have signed! That money adds up to basically buying finnbogason and he wanted to come or Jordan Rhodes he also wanted to com so it is complete BS that we can't attract a better callibre of striker that's my point!

10 Jul 2015 17:58:04
The club have always hesitated and hummed and hawed when it comes to important signings and all of us can come up with a list of players that we missed because of either trying to save a few bob or just being amateurish in our approach and missing the boat.
The standard of player we are being associated with these days, are well below the quality Celtic supporters deserve.
The small club mentality and scaremongering since Rangers died is all propaganda and smoke & mirrors.
We will never overspend (and never have), but we should be aiming at a much better quality/standard than we have.

09 Jul 2015 21:41:34
I think Nadir will be a good fit in our team. He won't need a settling in period like Puki, Balde etc, he is already up to speed on the Scottish game, our wet winters and tricky away grounds.
Assuming he receives a ban, he will be training hard and hungry when he gets his chance. Although we all want to qualify and do well in the big money CL it is the weekly league games that are our bread and butter.
PS. Regards Number 7 shirt, I've seen some terrific talent wear it, and some dross. Remember it used to be simply the right winger's jersey.Play right wing son? Here's yer shirt, No.7
We will have an exciting team this year, I can't wait til we get cracking.

09 Jul 2015 20:45:37
one other point.

We think we have Nadir Ciftci sussed out because we have watched him season in season out.

We have not seen Nadir Ciftci play for Celtic under a different system and regime and with different players. Dundee United don't have a Johanssen or a Commons or Brown etc.

Nadir Ciftci (matter-of-factly) will be a different player as he now plays in a different team. I have seen very good players look awful in poor teams, and vice versa.

RD sees something and knows how we wants to play and NC will have how role to play, as will LG and anyone else in the manager's thinking.

10 Jul 2015 02:16:42
What your saying is correct however remember it can work both ways. He may come and enjoy our system and score 30 odd goals but he could come and struggle with the pressures of playing for a big club (riordan. I appreciate riordan had other issues as well).

I'm not overly impressed with the signing as he's never impressed me when he played for Utd and the biting thing is also a big deal in my opinion. if he's guilty of that he should be hammered with a ban.

I will however give the lad my full support and I hope he proves all doubters (myself included) wrong.

{Ed007's Note - I'd love to see him come in and score a barrow load for us in Scotland and in Europe but after watching him, just like you, I've never been impressed with him. I'm going to leave it and see what our squad is like and where we are in Europe when the window closes because I'm not convinced that Ciftci was our main target or will be the only striker signed.
Maybe it's the money, does anyone think we've overpaid for Ciftci and if he had cost £200-300k we'd see him more as value for money squad player to throw on when it's 2-2 up at St Johnstone on a dreary Tuesday night rearranged game?
It's like getting up on Christmas morning and yer Ma's bought you brown chords to wear to chapel, you know the day's got to get better than watching your dad trying to defrost the turkey under the shower while your Ma spits on her hand to flatten your hair and your sister is screaming granny's pissed herself again at the top of her grating voice.}

10 Jul 2015 07:30:41
Hahaha the brown chords 😂😂😂

10 Jul 2015 03:21:30
christ almighty that escalated quickly ed. did you tap into a long forgotten memory or something haha

I do think we have overpaid, to use an example I've seen you use on many occassions we could have got stevie may several times for circa 800k if I remember correctly(may have been even less towards the end). He was proven to be very consistent in our league and to think we paid almost double that amount for IMO a worse player is worrying. I hope we do get another striker but I can't see it if i'm honest.

I'm still quite positive regarding the start of the season though, I think GMS will be a revalation this year!!

10 Jul 2015 16:07:32
If we would have let him seen out the ban he is going to get we would have got hum for max 600k in Jan

As the papers are alluding to this morning if we robbed them for GMS & Armstrong they got there own back with our new No.7!

09 Jul 2015 17:05:03
I think am experiencing some dajavu here a lot of negative feedback here about this lad ciftci and oh how dare he get the no7 shirt give it a rest and give the lad some encouragement and maybe just maybe he'll stick the goals away. This happened with leigh and he's done well. All am saying is its out of hour hands who we sign so get behind the manager and the lads he brings in give them a chance. Welcome to paradise Ciftci all the best!! C.O.Y.B.I.G

09 Jul 2015 17:34:57
I agree with your point about the shirt number. Its a lot of nonsence complaining about it in my opinion, however I think the fans have a right to be slightly critical of signing ciftci. I read further down the page a point someone made which I thought was a great point. This signing is not like a pukki, balde, scepovic etc as we knew nothing about them when they signed. We know what ciftci is all about after watching him for the last couple of years and he's not going to take us any further than the strikers we alredy have. In saying that I of course will give him my full support when he's playing for us but we I still hold the right to question the judgement of the board if this is the calibre we are looking at.

09 Jul 2015 18:11:47
The signing again underlines the ambition of the club - and people that run it - are way short of the supporters.
People like me who have watched Celtic since the early 60's expect Celtic to not only sign entertaining, quality players, but bring through their fair share, from the ranks.
We are a huge club with the best resources and facilities in our country and a world-wide fan-base and the fans are being led a merry dance into believing we are consistently punching above our weight.
We have never been huge spenders - so we don't expect to compete with the richer clubs, but we should have a scouting and youth development system second to none with the amount of contacts we have built up around the globe.

09 Jul 2015 18:30:45
You cannot compare LG to Ciftci , a like LG a was happy with LG he single handedly kept hibs in the league and won player of the year awards! Why are people so happy at Ciftci? What has he done? We seen him week in week out?

Is it because we have spent money?

He ain't no rough diamond,

A will say this again a cannot believe Celtic have bought a guy who is going to miss a chunk of the season for BITTING!

09 Jul 2015 18:42:26
Sam we are totally behind the manager. But lg was never signed as a first choice striker. He got his chance when gudetti started acting up and he has scored a few goals but please let's not get carried away. Nadir being given the no7 points to the fact that he is the main signing of the summer and if that's the case then I can't tell you how underwhelmed I am by that. I mean as it stands we are going to try and compete with europes elite with lg scepovic stokes and ciftci. Where is our ambition it's no wonder Neil Lennon got to. We should have pushed on from our cl qualification 2 years in a row. Granted we didn't do well the second year with ac Ajax and barca. But we had established ourselves as a cl regular with massive amounts of cash where was the ambition then. When it became clear nl wasn't going to be backed he walked. Rd needs to be backed with some quality signings because I can assure you mate if we don't qulify for cl again it won't be Peter lawell or nadir or lg getting the blame. It will be rd. and it could be his Job. It used to be we would take a punt on guys like ciftci as a back up. It now seems normal that that's the level we are at and people seem happy to accept that and if you express any concern you are told to give the guy time. Well I'm getting tired of giving penny pinched strikers time. It's time the board gave the fans something back. We could have been miles ahead in terms of scotish football now how far ahead does guys like that take us. What's the difference between nadir and Jon daly. I'd imagine at the time of leaving Utd Jon daly was prob on par if not better if in the scoring charts than ciftci. So this is not a personal attack on nadir ciftci as I wish him all the best. This is just someone who believes the club is going backwards.

09 Jul 2015 20:32:21
Has Ciftci's case been heard yet,has'nt he got some kind of strange defence,maybe he'll be found innocent,never saw the incident myself.

{Ed007's Note - How's this for a conspiracy? And from the SPFL's own official channel.

09 Jul 2015 20:41:37
He can wear 777777 on his back for all I care. He might not be the player we wanted but he is now one of the players we've got so let's cut the lad a bit of slack and give him our full support. He's here with good intentions and enthusiasm. We should all be of a similar mind.

Hail Hail. welcome to Paradise Nadir

09 Jul 2015 21:01:53
Thanks for posting that,Ed,is it trial by jury or what,they not allowing anyone to review the incident in case it influences your viewpoint.

{Ed007's Note - The hearing's on the 20th of July btw mate.}

09 Jul 2015 16:08:59
I watched ciftci's interview there and he came across very well I think he's a decent signing but not exactly jumping for joy over it! I just hope he can prove all us doubters wrong because i'm starting to think we won't be improving the front line any more!

09 Jul 2015 18:43:16
The reality is that Cifti is the calibre of striker that we can afford. We cannot afford to bring the tried and tested big names to our club. Even if we could they do not want to play in the Scottish league regardless of our European pedigree and name. I'll accept Cifti and will , as I'm sure the majority will, back the guy whilst he wears the horizOn a positive slant, we know what this guy can do. The Pukkis, Baldes etc were a shot in the dark and we wasted millions on them. Go on Mr Cifti, show us you can lead the line for Glasgow Celtic!

09 Jul 2015 15:00:43
Just wondered your thoughts on it Ed (Cifti No. 7). Now a know your not big on the numbers issue , and we know you were underwhelmed by the direction and signing of Cifti.

But we have been discussing this for a LONG while back that whoever filled that particular jersey would be an indicator of the calibre/direction the club was going IMO simply because of the "weight/allure" of it!

I cannot believe we have waited 5 fkin years for what?? A BITER FFS!! Shocking IMO cannot believe it if am honest and a day we all better get use to the fact we are not now looking to source "rough diamonds" we are shopping in the "jumble sales / raggy dolls" department! Rant over

{Ed007's Note - You're right it isn't something that bothers me but I can understand why it matters to a lot of supporters and the club know it, they are quick to promote it when there's £ to be made.
Is Pedro anywhere near matching the realistic expectations of the support? We've bought the season tickets again and so far again he has let us down when it comes to investing in the team. Does anyone honestly believe that even if we qualify for the CL this coming season we will see a better calibre of player than Ciftci signed?
It's different signing a player like Johansen, even guys like Pukki, they're an unknown quantity so you wait and see how it goes, we've all seen Ciftci, we know what he can do so there's no mystery and from what I've seen he's nowhere near CFC class, even compared to the players we have.
Unless Ciftci massively improves he'll turn into another waste of money, and with his attitude and PVH's interference he could be a problematic waste of money. PVH is very hands on as his agent and he was never off the phone to Dundee Utd over petty stuff that Ciftci didn't like.}

09 Jul 2015 16:00:29
For the first time ever am annoyed & perplexed @ a Celtic signing! He is going to miss a chunk of games due to suspension

Please tell me it is not just me but we have just bought an INDIVIDUAL who has bitten an opponent , how is this not getting highlighted?

Ciftci ain't that good and wound up like a clock! As for the number 7 it just baffles me big time never mind the disappointment

As for PL , again I think you are trying to say we are being "short changed" for want of a better explanative. Somebody better equipped than me needs to start getting some straight answers as to what our spending barometer is a remember Strachan saying you get 5 million a year to spend at Celtic , but seems have slipped since then badly!

{Ed007's Note - I mentioned last night that the excuses and spin about the biting incident would soon start, well how about this for a pathetic start?}

09 Jul 2015 16:03:53
No ed your right we get the money will be spent carrot put in front of us fans if we qualify for the CL every year but it never happens! Let's hope RD can make us CL ready on a shoe string budget!

{Ed007's Note - As we stand right now are you confident of us qualifying for the CL, would you be happy to go with what we've got into the Play-Off Round?}

09 Jul 2015 16:28:44
ED007 I posted something similar yesterday about big Pierre he was always causing problems at most clubs he was at and now as an agent I expect him to be a sh!t stirrer as well. But my main point is about Lawwell, is he working in Celtic's best interests or his own. So to be fair to him, let us look at the pros and cons. On the pro side he is a great administrator and also good at negotiating deals and contracts (look at the money we have coined from selling on players like Ki, Wannyama, Forster etc etc. ), He has helped Celtic more than balance the books and has the club better off financially under his stewardship. Now for the cons, it looks like he is "working his ticket" at Celtic (ie using our club to further his own career with the SFA and ultimately with UEFA or FIFA) He penny pinches when it suits him, then spends money unwisely (ie Balde, Pukki etc etc. ) He gets involved in player selection which should be solely the scouting network or the manager's job. He claims to have the club and us the Celtic fans best interests at heart, but does he? In my eyes no. So my question to yourself ED007 and everyone has Lawwell gone past his "sell by date" should we the fans ask for LAWWELL to resign?

{Ed007's Note - I said a few years back on here that I thought Pedro had an eye on a UEFA/FIFA job and I still think that's the case but I think he ideally would still want to be connected to CFC. How many times has he failed to strengthen from our position of power, remember Fetcher from Hibs in 2009? Year on year he gambles with European qualification while deliberately misleading the supports with promises of £8million signings, only a year past in February:

'It makes no sense to keep the money in the bank and we’d rather invest in the business and that means investing in good footballers that create value for the club. Celtic can buy a £6-8m player if the value is there.
We would not buy a 29-year-old at £8m on a four year contract at £40,000 a week because that is dead money but if there is value in signing an £8m player we will look at it.
The money is there to be reinvested in the squad.'

09 Jul 2015 16:33:04
I don't kno if i'd b comfortable going into the play off round with what we have, and as we have all witnessed over the years the caliber of player has got worse and with the addition of more quali rounds i'm a good bit nervous about it all just hoping we r not about to b found out as a europa league team we r so much bigger than that but let's all have faith (said with a hint of sarcasm) we can do it hail hail

{Ed007's Note - I hope so mate.}

09 Jul 2015 16:42:24
In my opinion there is no way we will qualify for the CL I think we should be able to get past this round and maybe and it's a big maybe the next but the round after that , NO CHANCE not with the squad we have just now

09 Jul 2015 17:09:01
see all these people who say it is only a number! start to think outside the wee bubble you are in please!

It let's us see how they are thinking because of the commercial value of that jersey , having given it away that easy so you honestly think they are now shopping for someone better? you are probably big enough to answer that yourself

Imagine this guy had bitten someone in the Glasgow derby instead of the Dundee one, How mortified would you be connected to it!?

Honestly a cannot get my head round am in a MINORITY here! what about Ched Evans just in case Ciftci gets injured? just saying like!

09 Jul 2015 17:28:26
Not going to come on here and have a go at our new signing,he'll get my support now he's in the hoops! Just can't hide my disappointment at yet another bargain basement striker being bought! And if our strike force stays how it is rite now then I'm not confident in the slightest about making the CL! We'll have enough for the first 2 rounds but the playoff is another matter! Hope I'm wrong but,really do! Just want to know what Lawell says if we don't make the group stages! Although I think I know the answer to that! The fans need for CL football and seeing sum players with proven pedigree on the pitch are coming a distant 2nd to his need and obsession with a healthy bank balance! And it's RD who will get the brunt of it if we fail yet again in Europe! That's the frustrating thing!

09 Jul 2015 19:08:34
What a bunch of moaners we have on here. I'll stick my neck out and say we will qualify for the champions league group stages. RD is no mug in fact I rate him big time, he will without doubt turn Celtic into a fine attacking team that will regularly mix it with the real big clubs. all you doubting Thomas's! Hail Hail

09 Jul 2015 13:51:13
Now I like Ciftci as a player, whether or not he can step up is another question, but giving him the number 7 shirt. Is this a joke?

09 Jul 2015 14:06:29
Is what a joke?

09 Jul 2015 14:17:58
being given the number 7 shirt.

09 Jul 2015 14:42:28
Who cares what number he gets?

09 Jul 2015 14:51:47
I agree it is a fkin joke! don't give me it is just a number pI$#! If that was the case they would have filled it over the last 5 years!

Total JOKE and to say am underwhelmed is not even enough!

09 Jul 2015 14:57:32
Give the bhoy a chance before you assume he isn't worthy

09 Jul 2015 15:15:12
I don't think ciftci is a great signing but it doesn't make any difference what number he gets, far to many people are over sensitive when it comes to the no.7 jersey. The only thing that does worry me is that by being given the number it may look like he's going to be a first choice this season. I would prefer better quality striker and have ciftci as back up.

09 Jul 2015 15:30:43
I would imagine a lot of people as there's history to it.

09 Jul 2015 16:17:19
It's pure coincidence that Henke and Jinky wore number 7. Dalglish was class too, and Keane for a season. But there have been just as many gash no.7s than great no.7s, if not more! If anything it should be the number to signify an average player! The only people putting a spin on it are CFC. Our last hoops kit was a dedication to number 7 apparently FFS. If it does mean so much then why on earth is Nadir Ciftci walking in and getting it!? Would have made more sense to give Broony the number long before now.

09 Jul 2015 13:04:11
Was reading further down the page and noticed ed and another couple of posters are under the impression that we are going to sign another striker, was just wondering who has been mentioned if anyone?

HAIL HAIL