Celtic Banter Archive February 09 2016

09 Feb 2016 21:28:48
Does anyone think that when everyone is fit, Boyata could do a shift at right back?

09 Feb 2016 22:14:49
Aye right back where he came from.

10 Feb 2016 13:14:19
With the money we have to spend we should not be using pi$$ poor centre halves as right backs nor should we be playing lustig at RB I would rather see Janko or fisher playing there imo they are both better than all available alternatives bar signing someone.

10 Feb 2016 14:30:50
Anyone think Tavernier would be a good buy.

10 Feb 2016 16:20:11
He can't defend although is decent going forward and hits a good cross/ free kick. Reminds me of Charlie Mulgrew. :P.

10 Feb 2016 22:02:57
I wonder who Tavernier would be a good buy for, maybe Falkirk, I don't think he is SPL class.

09 Feb 2016 18:13:55
Just listning to tam Boyd talking there! A guy I've got respect for what he's done for the club! But he's just spouted the biggest load of pish I've heard in a long time! We don't need to win any cups and we all want a competitive league! Obviously a coincedince him coming out with this garbage on the day he gets a nice cushty job with the club! Talking about towing the party line! Think lawell helped him write his wee speech today! Expected better from tam Boyd!

09 Feb 2016 18:36:44
He works for Celtic TV mate, so he couldn't say anything else! I don't care if it's Andy Walker or Tom Boyd, as long as you are being fair! The standard at the moment is unacceptable, not because Aberdeen have become brilliant, they have improved, maybe by about 20% though, we have went around 50% backwards in around 4 years!

09 Feb 2016 19:40:18
Totally agree mate, if there opinion is fair then I've no problem with it. but what Boyd came out with was nonsense! Right u work for Celtic t. v and your now an ambassador, but please don't feel the need to be lawells mouth piece! This pish we all want a competive league somehow justifies the Shoite we're getting served up! They are not fooling anyone! Be interesting to hear boyds opinions in private about what's going on with the team! I'm guessing they would be different from the public garbage he spoke today!

09 Feb 2016 20:06:32
Why wouldn't you want a competetive league?

09 Feb 2016 20:25:01
There's a difference between the league being competitive and us being that poor that we're getting dragged down to the rests level! Because make no mistake, it's us that's going backwards not the others going forward!

09 Feb 2016 20:25:47
If the whole league were at the level of Kilmarnock or Motherwell it would be competitive Jim! What does that tell us? It tells me I want Celtic to be much much better! As it stands we aren't that bad, but we're not that good so I want us to be, maybe not much much better, but much better! There's nothing wrong with that. Regardless if Ronny was the manager, or if it was Pep Guardiola or Billy Ogilvie I'd be looking for better than this crap! It's nothing personal - people are obsessed with Deila getting picked on, I'm simply being honest, I'm not going to sit and be a hypocrite!

09 Feb 2016 20:33:14
I know there is. Part of it is Aberdeen improving though. The season points tallies are there to see. Was just wondering why you think him saying we would like to see a competetive league is pish. I'd love a competetive league.

09 Feb 2016 20:34:15
Cmon Jim you don't honestly believe our league has become competitive because Aberdeen have managed to come up to the standards we have set in the last 15 years? Or are you happy to be in a competitive league by dropping our standards to their level. The Scottish 2nd division is competitive but it's still crap

09 Feb 2016 20:56:07
The race for the title is tighter again this year. I find that more exciting. Sorry.

Of course I want to see Celtic improve.

Have we went backwards this season? Yeah I suppose we have a bit. Particularly in defence we look weaker, but it's pretty much a new back line being bedded in this season and even add to that injury spells etc.

You can't improve your points total every season! There will naturally be steps sideways and backwards here and there over the years. As for our level in Europe, well the level of player we sign getting worse creates problems. We're in a funny old position. Imagine a club in a better standard of league signing Carlton Coles and Scott Alans for their campaign at the Champions League!

09 Feb 2016 21:11:43
It's clear to most people that we have gone backwards, admittedly some teams have marginally improved but it's that's took the massive downturn. How many of these improved teams have done well in Europe and I include the new and improved Aberdeen in this equation. The football on offer from all clubs North of the border is a poor level unfortunately, and there is reasons for this . The main one being no money in the league but to keep trying to tell us that everyone is improving. 😭.

09 Feb 2016 21:57:17
@Delphic - Curious at how you arrived at the figure of 20% improvement for Aberdeen and 50% decline for us. Would it be possible to show us your calculation as I would love to be able to do this.

Cheers.

09 Feb 2016 22:24:15
Lots of people saying we have gone backwards and that Aberdeen have improved. Therefore, I have decided to investigate to see if there is any truth.

Here are the number of league points and league position for Celtic and Aberdeen. I started 5 years before Deila took over and ran to present day.
Lennon takes over from Mowbray in this season
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2009/ 10 - Celtic = 81 (2) | Aberdeen = 41 (9) - failed to qualify for CL and knocked out at group stage of Europa
2010/ 11 - Celtic = 92 (2) | Aberdeen = 38 (9) - failed to qualify for CL or Europa group stages
2011/ 12 - Celtic = 93 (1) | Aberdeen = 41 (9) - qualified for Europa league group stage because Sion got punished but failed to get out of group
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Demise of Rangers
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2012/ 13 - Celtic = 79 (1) | Aberdeen = 48 (8) - got to last 16 of CL
2013/ 14 - Celtic = 99 (1) | Aberdeen = 68 (3) - got to group stage of CL
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Deila takes over
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2014/ 15 - Celtic = 92 (1) | Aberdeen = 75 (2) - failed to qualify for CL but made last 16 of Europa league
2015/ 16 - Celtic = 55 (1) | Aberdeen = 55 (2) 14 games left to be played in league (failed to qualify for CL but made group stage of Europa)

If we were to win every game until end of season we would have 97 points. Not saying we will win every game though. Looking at last 7 seasons, we have made CL group stage 2/ 7 and Europa group stage 4/ 7. There was only 1 season we did not have group stage. Looking at this I would not say Celtic have greatly declined and you could actually make the point that Ronny has performed above average and that we only have a 28.5% record of making CL group stage.

09 Feb 2016 22:32:06
Rab Mac last season we lost 4 times and drew 5 times. So far this season we have lost 3 and drawn 4, so it looks as if we will have less points this season. Is that due to teams getting better? I don't believe so. We have had our worst performance in European competition for years maybe ever. Looks like we will have our worst points total in about 5 years. No coincidence in my opinion. There is no doubt that the majority of supporters feel that the standard of our football has gone down. So all is not well. Don't think we are 50% down and Aberdeen are getting better so if Aberdeen can improve why can't we?

09 Feb 2016 22:43:01
You should try basing your opinion on fact Johnnymac.

You say this season is perhaps our worst performance ever in Europe. However, you only have to go back to 2011/ 12 season for a worse performance in Europe as we crashed out at first game of CL qualifier and only made Europa league groups because Sion forfeited game for fielding ineligible players.

You then say it looks like this will be our worst points total for 5 years. However, if we maintain current form it means we will drop 10 points (2 more losses and 2 more draws) between now and end of season and this will give us 87 points. You may notice that 87 is better than the 79 points we got in 12/ 13 season.

09 Feb 2016 23:16:14
You know what they say about lies, damn lies and statistics.
The bottom line is we have definitely declined in quality and so have the rest of Scottish football - with some of our so-called bigger teams from Ednburgh playing in a lower division recently and others like Motherwell and United who used to be decent - struggling badly.
The calibre of player at Celtic has definitely dropped as we continually replace star quality with basic economy brand and you just have to look at a cross section of Celtic teams and squads over the past decade to see what direction we are heading.
We all know the cash and geographical restraints that limit us, but every manager after MON had a strict budget to work in but we are not attracting or signing the likes of Nakamura, Ki, Forster, JVOH, Ledley, VVD or Wanyama.

10 Feb 2016 00:14:47
Yeah I'm really missing that defence of Naylor, Telfer, McManus and Caldwell. Those were the days.

10 Feb 2016 08:43:07
That would near enough be the same defence that won 3 titles on the trot and got us to CL last 16 twice

10 Feb 2016 08:45:56
Well done Rab for putting that together. Thought about something similar but facts don't sink in on here, and opinion is often branded as fact. And that statement is a fact. Like any season i'll assess it at the end. All i'll say is i'm not too confident of us breaking that 92 points. Would love it if we did AND Aberdeen are close behind.

10 Feb 2016 09:24:05
Rab Mac your analysis is based on what if we only drop 8 more points till end of the season so we will see. We won't achieve as many points as we did last season and the two seasons before so we are going backwards. Let's see what happens till end of season. One thing is for sure the football is poor so that's all we need to know.

10 Feb 2016 09:56:29
Why are people so obsessed with the dons, The reason they can do what their doing on their budget is because the do not have to win anything for the manager to keep his job (like most of the league) So DM can do what he wants ie try out players formations etc etc as he doesn't have to worry about 40,000 fans calling for his sacking because he lost 2 important games. Last season Aberdeen finished without a trophy yet people think they are even close to the level celtic are at, If mcinnes wins the league he will go down as one of aberdeens best managers, but ronny wins 2 out of a possible 4 cups and everyone wants him sacked. let's face it the bottom line is success depends on him keeping his job, We can win every comp by defending for 90mins and scoring once and people would still not be happy, Do you want excellent football where you fall at the final hurdle (arsenal comes to mind) and end the season trophy less like the dons? . My point is celtic have a way and that is stick by the team, Do any of you think delia is not frustrated by the system he has found himself working under (JP, PL, JC, JK) but he knows the honour of managing celtic and he's willing to try his best, Delia has good ideas we have just got to force the board to go with them and stop selling him down the river if we back ronny and not the board they cannot sack him to keep us happy (as someone suggested may happen) RANT OVER! .

10 Feb 2016 12:00:06
@Johnnymac, by all means you can say that you do not rate Ronny or that you do not like the football, as we are all entitled to opinions.

I was merely pointing out that some people's opinions are based on what they think is true and not on what is actually true.

10 Feb 2016 14:52:36
Rab Mac, that back four you mentioned would still be better than anything with Lustig, Boyata and Ambrose in it - not to mention Gormless Gordon.

10 Feb 2016 16:21:21
I would take Ambrose before Caldwell or McManus and Lustig before Telfer.

10 Feb 2016 22:19:21
I have read the greatest bit of push for a very long time . Tom Boyd played at the highest level for Motherwell, Chelsea& of course Celtic . A very long club and International career, Tom has continued to show an interest in Celtic, unlike others who have grasped the SMSM £ and sold their Celtic soul for the blue £ Tom Boyd says what he thinks and delivers the simple message for all Celtic fans to get behind R D and help to lift us out of our "mini crisis" . The alternative could well be another period like the 1990's and none of us want that .
Surely Tom Boyd knows more about getting Celtic up and running properly , than posters on Twitter and fan forums.

09 Feb 2016 16:06:47
Whatever anyone's idea is regarding Ronnie staying or going ( my thought is he should go) it looks like the club are sticking with him for the remainder of the season. The silence from the board tells its own story, I'm thinking its a massive gamble on their part in various ways. Many fans are unhappy with results and performances, those that seem loyal to Ronnie ( eg ed, have indeed recently stated several times that the football was the worst we have seen for a while) . Do you think the board will stick with him to try and prove themselves right, or are worried that a change may cause us to lose the league? Even more worrying is that if they are to give Ronnie til the end of the season will they give him another shot at qualifying for Europe, if not surely it doesn't give a new manager time to get used to the squad and prepare for the important games early in pre season. Allied that to the fact that managers who are at the minute out of work will have more offers come the end of the season so we will have to compete with clubs in a better league with more finances. This could be a watershed moment that could alter next season before its begun. Over to you pistol Pete, time to earn your million wages and make some tough decisions regarding the playing side of the club and not just balancing a book!

09 Feb 2016 18:44:42
Quinn agree with the comments but I am starting to think that things have gone too far for any manager to turn this around to any significant level. The players have lost the plot. They look as though they are uninterested. There is certainly a lack of graft. Apart from Griffiths and Tierney the rest are strolling around. So if they are trying to get the manager the sack they are pretty close to succeeding. The players should be ashamed and Ronnie is letting them get away with it. Forget CL qualification. How Aberdeen are still 20/ 1 to win the league baffles me. This is going to be close.

09 Feb 2016 18:25:44
I have had a few concerns this season, about a lot of things like - our pedantic, predictable style in a lot of games, the amount of players who have been 'off-form', the poor CL/ EL campaign and the standard/ lack of impact of players we have signed.
The alarming amount of goals we have been losing all season has never been addressed and we have only won one of our last three [against EK] putting us out of the LC and losing ground in the title race.
However, as we are still top of the table on good and into the quarter final of the SC, it would be difficult to sack a manager, hoping to make it four trophies in two seasons unless we make a complete baws of it.
I was obviously hoping that we would kick-on after Christmas, when we went on a wee winning run - scoring plenty, but we have hit another slump and this seems to have unsettled a lot of people.
The home game on against Ross County on Saturday is crucial and although one game will not decide the season, it will give an indication of the manager and players capability and 'bottle'.

09 Feb 2016 22:34:51
Jungle Jim believe me if we lose on Saturday and Aberdeen win Ronnie will be gone on Monday! No doubt about it.

10 Feb 2016 22:28:19
Nov 2014 experts were predicting the sacking of R D within a period of 2/ 3 matches
Now experts have reduced the period to one match
The one thing is certain and that is that these prophets of gloom will be right some time.

It might take 2/ 3.years but I reckon R D will either be sacked or will leave, I wonder will they keep making the prediction, or do they not mind been wrong so often.

09 Feb 2016 14:49:21
Reading the posts on here, it seems JP and PL do the recruiting. JK does the defending and set piece training. Collins takes the training.
Can someone tell WTF Ronny does lol. No wonder people want him sacked he doesny do anything lol.
Oh wait he supervises the chips to make sure the players don't have too many.

09 Feb 2016 16:12:39
That must be why they have all got a CHIP on there shoulder about him Rayman :-) (y)

09 Feb 2016 16:24:11
Even if you were at last correct, Rayman, there is plenty for RD to do. He could devise new training regimes to keep players interested, he could observe the players training and see who is training well etc. He lays down the formations and tactics for forth coming games
R D is the best manager we ever had at taking in youth and development matches . He also attends their training sessions and talks to them in groups and individually. This is very highly thought of as it is v God at building individual confidence and should help young players to make the step up to first team players if and when they are ready.

09 Feb 2016 16:57:27
Old Bhoy

We should just give him the youth/ development team job as that is all he is up to.

Seriously that makes me nervous that he takes in so many of these games because he should have someone he trusts in there to tell him who could make the step up. Also he should be concentrating on the first team who are performing so poorly just now.

The fact that Tierney is the only 1 getting a sniff after 2 years of him watching them speaks volumes about how poor our youth/ development teams must be.

09 Feb 2016 17:13:21
Hard to disagree with that Niall been thinking most of that (y)

09 Feb 2016 18:48:25
Old Bhoy what a load of crap. Tell me why Ronnie has this myth around him about developing youth? Now you will tell me it takes years and he has only had 18 months. So come back and tell me how good he is at it once he has actually done it. It might be another myth like the fast Fred flowing game he promised and never delivered!

10 Feb 2016 22:33:24
Johhnmac, thinks Celtic are producing Robots and so he can put a production date for each robot . Johhnmac will post any crap in reply to me but I find it hard to understand the fast free flowing game Johnnymac posts about CRAP?