Celtic Banter Archive August 09 2014

09 Aug 2014 23:17:35
ok guys lots of doom and gloom on here as of recent results and rightly so but let's look at our team. 4 players went to world cup, not bad, ok FF gone and Sammy.Stokes and Griifiths whilst not euro class are defo 20 a season yet called duds.A defence that has the record for shut outs in spl, pretty good. Best midfielder in Scotland(Brown)tho injured.Best player in Scotland (commons) without a doubt.In my opinion we are not far away from a good team with 2/3 quality additions. So is the performances down to the manager?can the players not understand what he wants?Can they not adjust to his systems?Are the players not good enough? Well let's go with what we KNOW.Players are good enough as won the league and CL qualification.Players are tried and tested. so can only mean 1 thing. Manager cannot get the best from them.

Deila and the players, something wrong but maybe it will all come right . Let's hope we get a couple of players in and things get sorted out before long .

10 Aug 2014 04:38:51
The players aren't good enough rayman it's as simple as that. Deila obviously has an idea of what he wants to do here but the players we have right now are not good enough 2 execute it. He needs time 2 make his own signings and change the style 2 suit the way he wants it then we can judge him. We need 2 remember he has inheritated a really poor squad (imo) with all the best players long gone before he got here

Rayman nobody is doubting stokes and griffiths will score in SPL, its their ability to score in europe. Stokes record in europe is 22 games 2 goals.

The players were in their comfort zone in the SPL where they had little pressure from a serious rival.
They were found wanting in several Cup ties in a one-off situation and lost out on a much bigger trophy/medal haul and the CL campaign last season showed a lot of flaws and gaps in quality.
The very promising team of 2012/13 has been decimated by the sale of Wanyama, Hooper and Ledley and the loss of form and fitness of guys like Mathews, Forrest, Izzy and Mulgrew and one or two others.

JJ

10 Aug 2014 09:52:06
GunnieBhoy I agree the players are not good enough to play in Europe. There is going to be a problem however with the manager. I hope I am wrong but this looks like another Tony Mowberry situation. It's fine having a style of play but he must know that those players are not able to convert their game in 4 weeks and then go and play in Europe? His team selection away from home in Poland was very poor. Some strange decisions and that is a worry. I don't think the players, no matter what Broonie has come out with, are buying into him? Big Vigil, who I think is a class act is playing like Dick Van Dyke and the back 4 look so disjointed. They don't know what they are doing and that's the same back 4 as last season. Problem is if we want to compete in Europe we need to play differently but Ronnie needs to play to win and then make the changes as we go through the season. Let's experiment and change our style in the Scottish prem then maybe next year we may be a better European team, but somehow I don't think Ronnie is for changing. If not we won't qualify. Ronnie is fighting for his life here, if we fail again he is in for a hard season.

@Gunnie, the players are not good enough for what?

09 Aug 2014 22:04:17
2030

Gemmell 7
Larsson 7

Imo both are money making names.even if he's mediocre. but would u print it? (A) or (b).

Gemmell 1967

WIT? that makes no sense at all?

09 Aug 2014 18:48:54
Ed I know this might sound a bit silly I have two sons and a mrs I buy 4 season tickets every season buy every strip for me two boys and the tops for the mrs plus the tracksuits and training tops etc. I travel away in Europe with celtic to at least one game a year, now I know I'm not the only fan out there that does this now all that money we put out for this club the least we should be due is some of that money to be spent on players, the profits celtic have made in the last 3-4 years are BIG, the point I'm making is do u think celtic are now more interested in pleasing share holders rather than fans?

09 Aug 2014 19:45:33
Not a rumour and just a suggestion, although it will never happen, but if the Forster deal does go through would anyone on here take big Artur back on loan for a season?

09 Aug 2014 20:14:15
Yes I would Stennybhoy.

Would be great if we brought back the holy golie .

09 Aug 2014 18:55:00
Good evening Ed!

I was fortunate enough to be away on holiday in north west US/Canada when Celtic's dismantling took place against Legia. Since my return I have never felt more underwhelmed by our current crop of players and our future prospects. Legia wasn't a hard luck story; we were soundly beaten and offered next to no resistance; and that is a worry. There are poor, average, decent, good, very good and excellent teams all over the world. SOme are average but emerging; some are excellent but moving gently backwards. BUt where are Celtic right NOW? Are we emerging or is an already average set-up moving ever further back? That prospect is frightening.

Celtic are about to enter in to a PR tornado with devastating consequences. We are advised that the Club is profitable and that the commercial/corporate strategies are working, but are they really? We are not that far away from proper, co-ordinated fan protects the likes of which have not been seen since the late 80s early 90s. In among all this, the leading stories on the club's own website relate to ONE DIRECTION playing in a charity match and JACK WHITEHALL committing to star in the same match! The latter is the 1st news icon story and this, in my new, speaks volumes. Yes, charity is good and tickets need to be sold, but is this not the time for PL and the Board to give us HOPE and reaffirm that there is a strategy at work and that it is working albeit with a bit to do? Celtic are becoming a little bit like the Harlem Globetrotters in that we aren't being taken that serious but people retain a passing interest in us! We are not a serious professional outfit.

We don't need to bankrupt the club to put backsides on seats, but we need HOPE. Progress for many keeps interest "alive"; a new young emerging young gun or an average player improving week by week and where the "sum of the parts" is greater than the individual talents available to RD. All of this represents a winning formula but as I rattle out this message I find myself pondering questions like; "if one HAD TO buy a new jersey and have a name printed on the back and the name HAD TO come from the 1st team pool (IE you couldn't put your won), what name would you have printed on the jersey? When the answer or potential answers don't automatically spring ti mind, that has to be a worry? Would it be Lustig, or Mulgrew, or Ambrose, or Matthews, or Izzy, or Brown, or Commons, or Forrest, or Stokes or Griffiths. It cannot be Virgil as he is on his way most likely.

Celtic's move to secure the services of Gordon MAY turn out to be a master stroke; I mean if we could spend £0 and put a team on the park that can run, and pass, and compete, and recover in time's of adversity DURING A MATCH (I wish.), I wouldn't care if it costs £20m or 2 bob. But I sit here today searching for inspiration and cannot find much.

I read that all of a sudden RD was on a frantic search for players after the news about Celtic's re-admission. That tells me that the STRATEGY is scatter gun; and that is worrisome.

Whilst away, I was reading an article about football captaincy written up by Clive Woodward (world cup winning rugby coach), and research culminated in a 5 point checklist to decipher who and what makes for an outstanding captain. I pondered this in the context of Charlie Mulgrew and found that he failed on almost every count other than in-house popularity. Brown would have maybe got 3 out of 5. Now Mr Woodward
doesn't claim to monopolise opinions on what makes for great captains, there will be exceptions but we are STRUGGLING on just about every front!

ED ED ED ED ED. where is our club headed? What information (or counter point of view) can you relay that would make me feel a little better about our future prospects? I predict a very tough season of mediocre performances and Celtic may win the league but not by more than 9 points! We cannot kid ourselves that this would be good news because we are reminded that the scottish game currently is malnourished in the extreme and winning our league is nothing to shout too loud about. We HAD an opportunity to take our enhanced finances and build a team fit to win trebles and routinely reach the champions league group stages but our current Bhoys will struggle against St Johnstone on Wednesday and it won't be because of bad luck stories or injuries. It will be because of limited talent, energy and hunger.

I could put up with a poor(ish) team with high energy levels and hunger to succeed if I thought it was EMERGING and IMPROVING but I just ain't feeling it! I don't think RD is the problem per se, and that takes us back to our Board who are "likely" earning small fortunes on the back of stellar revenues. The "park" is where the action ought to be and the Board should be reminded.

I predict a £3m spend on 5 players (inc 2 loans) and a defeat to Maribor and a lacklustre Europa League campaign and RD away by January. but I don't think this is an RD problem to reiterate

Just one wee point didn't Clive Woodward not get involved in a football club and didn't he fail miserably .
Paradisewon your post is very negative and time will tell whether you are justified been so negative . I really don't know, I change from day to day and I am now thinking that its immature and foolish to judge until at least September is over .

Yourman that post is not negative at all mate it's one that has hit the nail on the head, it sounds like a real fan who is hurting and is speaking from the heart. I for one share a few of the same worries, comcerns and frustrations.

I remember one of my proudest days as a Celtic fan, 3 seasons ago, last day of the season, oldco beat Killie to win the league. We beat Motherwell 4-0 at home and the game was bouncing, the fans were buzzing, singing from the first to last minute. Lennon came out with the, this is just the beginning, quality over quantity etc etc. I left that stadium almost in ters and bursting with pride along with 60'000 probably yourself included.

Since then we've sold our best players, got in CL money and bought NOBODY!! Quality my backside, loans and cut price has beens!! We were nothing short of lied to and decieved.

I love Celtic Football club but at the minute I don't love the way it's being run and for other fans to come on and brand people ventig their frustrations as being negative , wrong or a zombie is out order. We are in a bad place right now and something has to be done to bring back some pride and passion not just within our team but our pending dwindling attendances

I share your grief at the standard of footballers some of the players we have bought in have turned out to be . Some are so bad that we could have to pay some clubs to take them off our hands . What can we do . We are told that in Park we have an outstanding scout . We are spending almost double the % of our football sales money than Ajax. Is it the wrong player or is it bad coaching . I see raw young players like big Vic coming in and within months stars . I see others Like Balde looking a worse player after a year .
Including some of our youthful players who won't make it we have too many .
Are the big numbers affecting the ability to coach the men we have and need.

Gary, that's why NL and WGS walked. They did their best but the board did (do) not have the ambition or conviction to go to the next level. Instead, they have made it plain that they will cash in on any asset we have. Latest example being FF. We are still in the CL (no small thanks to the big man in?Warsaw) so what do we do? Sell him. Nuffield said.

09 Aug 2014 17:56:44
Just thought that I would add that me and my fellow Bhoys have just watched the 1971 game at Castle Greyscull. We won 3-2 that day even with Masonic referees. But we all agreed that we met all 3 Celtic scorers that day. Macari, Dalglish and Jinky Johnstone.

09 Aug 2014 17:31:01
Just thought that I would show my my avatar to show you all where I live before I have a rant. Yes I live in Thailand but I live and breath the same as any other Celtic fan. I have had a chat with my fellow old die hard Celts and we have come up with the same conclusion. This is not coming from true Celtic fans but this is coming from players from the the 70's and 80's who not only support and follow the Hoops but have played for the famous Celtic FC Boys Club. More to follow in next post.

09 Aug 2014 16:54:27
Hey Ed was speaking to somone the other day that normally has good info on goings on at CP and he insisted that we had inserted a buy back clause in Tony Watt deal. I thought it sounded to good to be true, but he was adament! Hae you or anyone heard anything on this?

{Ed007's Note - I've heard a few people saying that but I think it's just wishful thinking from some of his fans. I've just said on another thread I'd be surprised if there wasn't a sell on clause in the deal.}

09 Aug 2014 13:50:11
What ever happened to Kim Ojo he was phenomenal in the danish league. Were we not linked with him a coupe of windows ago?

09 Aug 2014 10:50:54
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09 Aug 2014 00:21:41
Just like to wish Fraser Forster all the best, even though a giant of a man he took the time to pose patiently with my two bhoys one of which was suffering from a disability and made their day good luck big man thanks for your services

Celtic always

09 Aug 2014 01:36:24
Always came across a nice guy but 10m for a guy who's about 6ft 6/7 and couldn't command his own penalty area is 2 good 2 knock back

I don't be can go and languish in the championship next season with hooper and his ilk think they are to good for my club f""k off we ar celtic going to some p"sh team down south with the excuse I want to play for my country nah it's money if you were good enough you would be a regular by now. Sorry ed need to vent I hat what is happening to my/our club

Gunniebhoy I can agree with you to a certain extent but he doe's hold the Scottish record for consecutive clean sheet's
Wee 1888 Let's not kid ourselve's here mate, money is what count's, there is very seldom such a thing called loyalty in the football world, so just let us wish the man good luck in his career.
Tambhoy

Tambhoy I understand what you are saying but how can a man who is mabye on 15,000 a week playing at one of the biggest clubs in Europe 'small league' but stature wise as big as any think yes I will leave get a wee bit more money, never win another trophy and just disappear in to obscurity, they all think the grass is greener but watching hooper last season did he look like a man who thought he made a good career move I don't think so, mabye just me getting bitter about every player who we give a chance to moving on to mince English clubs, celtic can except bids but its down to the player at the end of the day to decide if he wants to stay or leave.

Wee 1888 I don't know how much the big man is on at Celtic, but in this day and age it's all about the money.If someone offer's you more than your getting just now then you will go there and that's the same in any walk of life.Maybe we got too many foriegn players playing for us, who don't know what playing for Celtic is all about.As Tommy Burns R.I.P said playjng for Celtic is like playing for a cause, maybe we need player's with Tommy's way of thinking but as I said before all the best big Fraser.
Tambhoy

FF is joining a club who
1. Play in the EPL.
2. Will pay him a lot more than us.
3. Do not have a great team (sold most of their stars)
4. Will give him a chance to face top goal scorers and prove his ability in front of top managers.
5. Give him a better chance to move to a top European/EPL club if he proves good enough.

We gave him decent wages and limited CL challenge but he was not facing top games week in and week out. The vast majority of people will tell you that the Scottish football really has only
Celtic and Rangers (yes, Sevco etc. etc. but they are still recognised abroad). So good luck to the big man. I just hope we have sell-on clause in his contract.