Celtic Banter Archive November 08 2014

 

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08 Nov 2014 21:43:55
Hi Ed, a know you are a fan of James McLean

Did you see his open letter to Dave Whelan the Wigan chairman? it was powerful stuff and a good read leaving it almost impossible to deny his wishes in modern day times

ATVB JB7

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{Ed007's Note - He shouldn't have even needed to write the letter though, Jamie, whatever happened to freedom of speech a ndfreedom of choice? McClean doesn't need to explain himself to anyone, good luck to the lad for sticking by his beliefs and not allowing people to dictate what he should or shouldn't be doing. If you want to wear a poppy then wear one, if you don't then don't, it's a completely personal choice and is nobody else's business.}

I agree Ed completely about the "freedom" but he was painted a villain in doing so, in doing the letter gives the "uneducated / ignorant" no room for doubts IMO!

Talking about the uneducated I see the other half brought in " the big gun " for there "tribute" A mean ffs the sound of that thing in front of kids there is just stupid!

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{Ed007's Note - Poppies are meant to be worn to remember ordinary men and women who died for freedom, democracy and to defeat the brutal regimes of Facism, Nazism and Communism. They’re not meant to be worn for jingoistic imperialist jamborees like we see at Ibrox, they've hijacked what should be a solemn occasion for those involved and done their usual, turned it into something that is very ugly and twisted.}

This whole poppy thing is now becoming unbearable. Every year it is the same old story, they were firing a feckin gun at ibrokes today FFS. A gesture meant to be all about remembering the dead of WW1 and WW2 has been hijacked. let's not kid on here sevco stage manage this nonsense to get a dig at us.

Should it not be about ALL the young men who were sent to their graves at the whim of their queen and powerful people in the quest for money.

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08 Nov 2014 23:02:59
Re-Poppy,

Hi Guys as a Celtic fan all my life , I wear a poppy. I know that I don`t have to justify why I wear it but a lot off our fans don`t and they have their reasons for doing so.

My reason.

My Mother lost 2 sisters age 8 & 10 in the Clydebank blitz, so I lost 2 aunts.

war does not ask who you support our what colour you skin is.

So every year I stand for the min silence and I told my sons the reason I do it and they stand with me.

Respect for those who fought.
Respect for those who died.

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09 Nov 2014 09:54:16
My Granda fought in ww2 and survived, he was celtic daft and he was of irish decent. He always said it did not matter the man next to you what team or religion they were, we were fighting to keep each other alive.

would be good whatever your reasons for wearing/ not wearing one would be kept private and not be giving any attention and let people chose as they see fit

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09 Nov 2014 09:59:05
All Celtic fans, indeed any football fan, must make up their own minds about the poppy.
I wear a poppy, unahamedely, in memory of my late grandfather who was killed aboard HMS Hood in WW2.
Like ED007 and others say, some sad people have chosen to misrepresent what the poppy stands for and why people wear them but I wear mine with pride and will continually do so every year.

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I to have relatives who fought in the War, i'm sure most of us have.

Its quite bad the boy had to justify himself but the Poppy is getting misrepresented and its sad to see.

I have no issues at all with the Poppy and hope and pray that one day anyone misguided enough to believe some of the more recent wars have been necessary will find their way.

On a seperate note and those bashing Scotland and the UK - we do have positive things like the Welfare State and NHS which I sure far to many take for granted now. Hopefully we can all work together to save and preserve what we have rather than constantly looking for negatives.

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I have nothing against people not wearing a poppy but I do think the Celtic should have had one on the strips and as for those people that made a noise today was nothing more that shameful to the club and the other supporters that was there today THAT has nothing to do with football and should be kept away from it ALWAYS

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If people want to respect Remembrance Day, that's fine with me . But don't force it on those who don't . The B A tried to kill me one night, when I was with the girl I have since married . All because I was driving on a lonely border road .

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I agree with tonybhoy , these guys should be ashamed of themselves , just because you don't agree with it , doesn't make it right to show a blatant disregard and no respect to the brave men and women who died to protect our way of life and also the innocents of this world , and aye I know I ll take pelters for this post but hey I can hold my head up and live with myself for having these views , how many of the minority can really say the same!!

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The Falkirkbhoy, I too can hold my head up high and live with my decision
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{Ed007's Note - We'll skip the details I think, Chris. No offence and fair play to you, that must have been a messed up situation.}

Fair enough Ed, on reflection you were correct

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{Ed007's Note - (yes)

08 Nov 2014 18:16:57
We win tomorrow we are top of the league on good with a game in hand(yes):*:*(yes)(beer)

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Jamiebhoy - said it before no team in our league has a consistency to stay at the top, apart from us obviously.

I will be delighted for RD if we get the win at Aberdeen on Sunday. The nonsense that has been said about him was not acceptable.

Once the team fully implements the ideas of RD and fingers crossed a few good signings then the SPL teams should start worrying. If they can't stop Celtic when there struggling to adapt to new methods then they never will.

Relating to Thursday, again I found it laughable that some people had a go at RD for the draw, we were never in trouble and they scored a one off wonder goal from a guy who had not scored all season.

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Hi Kev, A just hope we got out tomorrow and really go at them from the off, on a personal basis would love to see him pair Guidetti & Griffiths up front perfect pairing of power & pace IMO Aberdeen IMO are our biggest threat in our league let's go "gub" them in there own backyard :-)

ATVB JB7

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Tomorrow will be very difficult coming after an away European game .
I hope I am wrong, but I am expecting us to drop points

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Damn right, hope we hit them for six. McInnes has irked me this week with his comments about Brown and RD.

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Don't know about having a go at Ronny after the Astra game Kev but glad you found it 'laughable' - will you say the same if we don't qualify?

The passing was sloppy and they troubled us enough to have 10 shots at goal (we had 12) and almost as much possession. This is a team who gained their first point in the competition and most have never heard of.

I would have preferred a much more solid perfomanace and more possession - do not see what is 'laughable' about that.

Mighty and fallen springs to mind here.

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09 Nov 2014 12:43:54
Kev, the Astra game is another example of how poor we really are. Astra are in my opinion and I am not an expert in European football, one ic the most average sides I have ever seen Celtic play outside of any qualifying round. We have no excuses for not beating them. Qualification now is going to be very difficult. I think we may get a point out of red bull but can't see us getting anything away in the next game. Just like Maribor we did not deliver. We can talk all we want about progress but I can't see it. Let's see what happens today then we may be able to have a look at what progress means.

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08 Nov 2014 18:05:50
Hi Ed do you know when tickets go on sale for the Celtic/The Rangers cup game?

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{Ed007's Note - I've no idea bud, it'll be a while yet I'd think considering when the game is.}

09 Nov 2014 16:17:09
I think they will need to see if sevco survive past Christmas before they start offering ticket's

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08 Nov 2014 14:22:24
here big yin dae ye think thit wee tonedeef will play against the sheep?
plus werrs ma money ya midden?
talkin aboot middens wers wee timbo hidin this wethur
anonnymoss tae by the waey#
pps am up oan the 24th a dec fur a non racist commint thit a didnae make tae a rasist!
aw donashuns welcum fur the gaun away perty oan the 23rd
pps a kin see your hoose oan a clear day fae the tap dancer ae the bar-L N a kin see the bald patch oan the tap ae wee timbos heid fae the tap ae the skirtin,
pppppps whit made ye get a new letturboax wae abrush it means a kin only see wee bits ae ye,
the usual wee bits ur,
a. yer gommy leg
& c. yur fanny?
whit?

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08 Nov 2014 10:57:53
@ED007: Re the Tonev case; I think you got the wrong end of my stick mate. My point was the SFA if they have evidence, seen or unseen at the hearing, it should be in the public domain.

I would never defend racism as I find it a disgusting and cowardly practice.If Tonev did indeed say what is claimed he should be on the next bus outa town, no question. I think to decide guilt on the basis of probability is a dangerous road to go down. To be honest with you, having visited that part of the world, my initial reaction was to believe the Aberdeen player. Racism, not just against colour sadly, is very much accepted in his country. But in this case I don't think it is just to decide on one man's word against another.

The only niggle I still have is the boy Logan. I just don't see him as the type to invent a story like that. Which leads again to the probability argument!

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{Ed007's Note - There's no rules that evidence needs to be in the public domain though.

8.3.1 The Tribunal may adopt such procedures as it considers appropriate for the Determination of the matter before it and, in the exercise of its general procedural discretion, it may amongst other things:

8.3.1.4 Decide whether any documents or other evidence should be disclosed by or to any Party(s) and, if so, when such disclosures are to be made and to whom copies of the disclosed documents and information are to be given;

And as for withholding evidence:

8.5 General Powers in respect of evidence.

8.5.1 All Parties must take all reasonable measures to assist the Tribunal in the collection of evidence. Where the Tribunal Directs the production of evidence from any Party, that Party shall (subject to considerations of legal privilege) be under an obligation to provide it.

You're assuming it was one man's word against another, ho do you know that man's word is Logan's? For all we know A.N. Other Aberdeen player heard it. I certainly agree with you about Logan though, why would/should he make it up and if you think about who has anything to gain from the whole situation it's oven more bizarre.
Remember the Evra/Suarez case came down to one man's word against another's.}

Thanks for the pointer Ed, I was assuming if there was anything concrete, evidence wise, it would have been known by now. It does make me wonder why Celtic are appealing it now, and makes McInnes words a bit more clearer as it now seems that there is some kind of evidence.

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{Ed007's Note - All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions either way, which is exactly what people are accusing the SFA of doing. If the appeal is rejected there are a lot of people going to end up with egg on their face a la Suarez/Liverpool. We know nothing about Tonev, what type of man he is or what his personality is like, he's only been here 5 minutes. He could easily be lying to RD and his team-mates about what happened or he could be telling the truth, we can't just assume innocence because he's at CFC which a lot of people have done.
As said last night it could be a term Tonev is fine with using but Logan sees it otherwise, it could be Logan heard something Tonev said but with his accent it sounded like something else, it could even be a Bulgarian word that means something totally different in English. If one of Mrs GJs female relatives from the States says to her 'your fanny looks great in those pants, can I borrow them tomorrow night?' she wouldn't bat an eyelid but if I said that to her it takes on a whole new meaning.
I'm not saying anything like that DID happen because I don't know what evidence was produced but it is a couple of scenarios that could explain why both sides are so adamant.}

Ed can I offer a different slant on this Celtic would have been very well represented at this hearing and sadly since we lost Paul McBride let's for argument sake say our lawyers are as good as the sfa's lawyers, another lawyer and former Ref Kenny Clark has a good article on the BBC website today regarding this incident

The SFA have a history of "botching/failing" incidents like the slug / boughera etc

There is NOT A CHANCE IN HELL that Celtic would drag themselves through this if it was not "flimsy" at best they would simply cut a player who let's not forget is only on loan loose!

ATVB JB7

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Hi ed
I don't want to argue with you as you probably know the facts better than me.
But in the Suarez/Evra case, was it not a situation where Suarez used a term that he claimed was widely used in Uruguay, but is a racist term over here.
I thought other players heard him say it, Liverpool backed him because they accepted his version that he didn't mean it in a racist way.
In that case the dispute wasn't whether Suarez uttered the word, but in what context it was meant

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{Ed007's Note - Was it? Ok then, download this PDF file and read it through seeing as you don't want to understand abbreviated versions explaining it.}

The SFA have promised to act transparently .
I would have thought when they fine someone guilty, it would be appropiate and only fair and right to say, how they did this . That wouldn't prevent them from dealing with the matter in private .
Surely it's better than allowing wild rumours flying about .
Celtic fans to a man would not tolerate Tonev, if they knew he was guilty .

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{Ed007's Note - People are just going over and over what they think think should happen and it's going anywhere. Why do some CFC fans tolerate Griffiths but 'to a man would not tolerate Tonev'? Griffiths had been in trouble over racism before we even signed him and since then he was caught on video singing a racist song.
You can't claim the moral highground about how CFC supporters would act when Leigh Griffiths has been accepted by so many. Or was that all the SFA's fault as well? Maybe the SFA hacked his Twitter account and doctored the video.}

Or maybe the Daily Record / Sunday Mail

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{Ed007's Note - And how did they manage to get him to apologise for something he didn't do? Unless.... have you ever heard of MKUltra?

Who did MKultra play for .
Ed, correct me if I am wrong but did Griffiths not apologise for what he had said on the 1st tape released by D. R.
a week earlier .😆
I didn't hear any response to the second tape .

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08 Nov 2014 07:32:13
this has been a valuable site to me as I have tried to keep up not only with the results but the repartee of Celtic crowd despite being in more countries than I count. Not am I the first to point this out.

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