Celtic Banter Archive January 08 2016

08 Jan 2016 21:56:31
Been reading a lot of posts and one thing is very clear despite the differing opinions and that is we all care about our club (deliberately not used the word team as I don't believe we're playing as one at the moment) .

I think the Board have got to take a huge portion of the blame; for appointing RD and now being ominously silent when it's clear there is a growing discontent amongst the fans with attendances dropping, and for being complacent season after season and taking the fans for granted.

The management and the players also have to take some blame for the performances and poor effort on the park. What has gone wrong? Why can they not see the things that the fans see? Why is there loyalty shown to players who are consistently under performing? In my opinion only two players are playing to a consistent level with a good attitude and effort. Tierney and Griffiths. Not good enough!

Hopefully for the Cup we will see some variation on the team and formation but I doubt it.

09 Jan 2016 10:12:58
Stuart Armstrong wants to play in the hole behind the striker (which is his best position) , unfortunately so do Commons, Rogic, Johansen, Allan and the returning Ryan Christie, but continuing to play him wide left is ultimately going to ruin a good player .

08 Jan 2016 18:24:28
Interesting reading last coupla days. Returned to work after time off and too snowed under to post until now. Agree with a lot of what Welshbhoys been saying. My hope beyond hope (which will probably be dashed) is that the board will be listening to noise in terraces and will be thinking "we messed up in summer, this needs investment" (I know, eternal optimist! ) Anyway in my dream world, RD gets to bring in some tidy players and bed them in rest of season (where we somehow also walk the treble) and we end up in good place to blitz the CL qualifiers. (This was written after less than half a can of Stella, long week! )

09 Jan 2016 09:04:42
You disagree with what? I returned to work, got a lot on, hope things get better for Celtic but not optimistic about it. Oh aye and I had drank less than a can of Stella. Not much debate there, clown.

08 Jan 2016 17:20:22
Can I say a big thank you to everyone who responded to my post yesterday quite a large response, more agreeing with me than against, but everyone's opinion is appreciated, at least it proved we all on here, no matter pro or anti (sorry maybe "anti" is too strong) Deila want the club to succeed and the passion to return. Can Ronnie deliver? the jury is still out.

08 Jan 2016 18:43:29
And they say i'm obsessed with NL!

Its funny how all the anti delia crew are allowed to slate him at free will, yet when you use NL absymal record as a rightful comparison you get shot down in flames.

Ha! Is all i can say. Should be the same rules across board. Really can't wait till RD delivers treble. The crawlers will be in full motion.

08 Jan 2016 19:15:06
I agree with nearly everything you said Tim. There is a real malaise about the club at the moment.
Even teams like Kilmarnock and Patrick Thistle are no longer intimidated by coming to Celtic park, it's a far cry from the days when teams like Barcelona and Juventus trembled in their boots at the thought of coming here.
With crowds falling away, most football clubs would look for ways to address the slide, our board don't seem interested, I wonder if there is a point when they would decide enough is enough.
I don't think that the club should ever take fans for granted, it's not enough for them to assume that fans will always turn up because we are Celtic, those days have gone.
The club have to do a lot more to make people want to go to matches, if they carry on the course they are on then I don't think it will be long before our crowds are down to around the 20,000 mark.

08 Jan 2016 19:49:32
DN30 what gas Neil Lemnon got to do with anything. It's not a beauty contest one against the other. What we are saying is Ronnie is not good enough. Very simple. Not comparing him to any manager whatsoever just stating the obvious!

08 Jan 2016 19:54:44
Johnnymac when he delivers treble, will he be good enough then? I use NL as comparison to highlight fact a segment of supporters were happy with a poor domestic cup haul and a very poor (bar last 16 season) european record. Why are these same posters bothered now?

08 Jan 2016 20:58:34
Maybe because under Ronnies tutelage, many of the performances are worse, the team often seems to lack energy and motivation and organisation, he seems to pick certain players by previous reputation rather than current form, and I am not comparing him to NL, but to all Celtic managers in my time, maybe everything will come good and this is all part of the settling in period, but some of the team seections and substitutions and after match comments that Ronnie makes, means I am losing faith in his ability as a manager.

08 Jan 2016 20:59:54
Dn we might win the treble but that doesn't make us good does it. You are obsessed with Lennon where as most people just see him as part of history and no one is calling for him to return. Those of us who go to the games are being ripped off by the whole club from top to bottom on a regular basis. It would be great to influence the removal of lawwell and the elusive park but I don't see that happening anytime soon. But with a manager not getting the best performances from a large squad and failing miserably in Europe it is far easier to replace him with someone who might get better out the players and that is definitely possible. I will ask you a simple question do you think Ronny is getting the best out of the team?

08 Jan 2016 21:57:41
DN change the record , getting really bored as i'm sure many others on here are of your repetitive posts. Your obsession with Neil Lennon is staggering , you seem to think that anyone who has a go at your beloved Ronny is in the Neil Lennon fan club . Believe it or not there are many people including myself who think neither are very good managers. As for your ramblings about people coming crawling back if Ronny wins the treble shows how clueless you are. A treble in the present climate of Scottish football considering we have at least 10 times the spending power of the rest will hardly be the achievement of the century. Unfortunately even more so now than in previous seasons Europe is the only place we can be judged as a team and this is where we have failed miserably.

08 Jan 2016 22:01:48
DN30, you constantly go on about Neil Lennon, is your idea of success limited to the fact that Deila isn't Neil Lennon? . Your whole attitude seems to be that it's fine for Deila to be useless because the previous manager was useless as well.
If we just go along those lines then our club is going nowhere,
Whether he wins the treble or not he's shown that he can't do it when we play anyone half decent.
It's a bit rich to say Lennon had a disappointing campaign in the Champions league, when this clown failed to win a group game in the Europa league, the first Celtic manager ever to achieve the feat, this was after getting us knocked out of the Champions league, you must be very proud of him.
You may feel that this is a record of a good manager, but it seems that you'd settle for any old rubbish as long as Neil Lennon's not in charge.
How many more humiliations in Europe, and how low must our crowds go before you open your eyes and see that maybe we could be doing a bit better than this?

08 Jan 2016 22:23:58
Well who will we compare RD record to seeing as NL has diplomatic immunity?

Stevie I'll post what I want. If you don't like don't read.

08 Jan 2016 22:34:47
DN Yout argument is that he may not be doing well right now but IF he wins the treble then he will be good enough. I may as well stop work tomorrow because if I win the lottery I won't need a pension! It's a stupid statement. What happens if he does not win the treble and fails in CL qualifiers yet again? Does that make him not good enough or do you find another what if scenario to support him. You and the rest of the supporters with little ambition will then talk about the great youth development project or some other nonesense as to why this great manager should remain in the job. Trying to justify a manager with an argument about what he might win is no argument at. Reading your support of Ronnie is like watching Bullseye. "look at what you could have won". If you don't know what Bullseye was then look it up on YouTube.

08 Jan 2016 22:48:43
Johnnymac can you remember this point in season last year? People were critical of him and by end of season were cheering when he starting punching air.

My main concern is if we get rid of him, who will replace him? Since Strachan, we have not had a manager who we can all agree on.

We all want CL qualification for the revenue, but if club continues to try do it on the cheap then its a big ask. If Deila is backed between now and summer financially and does not do it, i will have a different opinion.

08 Jan 2016 23:06:31
DN compare him to Tony Mowbray if you like. Mowbray won his first CL qualifier against Moscow Dynamo then was put out by Arsenal . Dropped into EL and won one game and drew 3 , better than this seasons effort. His league points total was not that bad infact he would of been top of the league when he was sacked if it wasn't for a now defunct mob. Strange why Mowbray wasnt given the same time as Ronny .

08 Jan 2016 23:26:41
DN30 your support of Ronnie us all built on if's. If he wins this it wins that. The reason fans were more supportive of him at the end of last season was because it looked as if he was maybe starting to build something. We were looking forward to the CL qualifiers thinking that we were just starting on something. Since the end of last season it's got worse. You on the other hand are still saying that whilst it's got worse or not improved at a, this guy despite no sign of improvement is going to be good for the club? And that is based on he might win the treble? Not had won but might win. There again he might not.

09 Jan 2016 06:04:42
You cannot compare anything Ronnie wins to any trophy won by previous Celtic managers since the early nineties, quite simply any trophy won in that period is worth double or treble that of one won since rangers died because of there cheating and uneven playing field created by financial doping, so in my opinion a Ronnie treble ( as much as I would enjoy celebrating it ) is barley equal to a Scottish cup win from the period when rangers were cheating there way to trophy after trophy.

08 Jan 2016 16:10:54
been everton fan and David Moyes
doing well for us and him being celtic fan would u sack ronny deila and replace with moyes.

08 Jan 2016 16:21:31
Would Moyes take the job?

08 Jan 2016 18:04:44
Yes but don't think he would take a job where he has £2.50 to spend on players.

08 Jan 2016 18:17:53
No. Well, in my very humble opinion, I don't think so.

08 Jan 2016 18:45:15
His stock has fallen badly of late but he would not accept the quality of player brought into the club of late.

I do hope RD delivers what he promised though.

08 Jan 2016 21:19:55
on another note can you take mcgeady off us.

09 Jan 2016 00:36:38
Bretto thinks Moyes could do a job for us . Yes no doubt he could bring us back to our non winning run of the 1990's . Moyes was a hell of a long time at Everton with out wining even the League Cup and without been head hunted by another club .
You can keep McGeady, we don't want him .

09 Jan 2016 09:26:50
Didn't Manchester united, probably one of the top 5 clubs in the world, make him there manager? Your really making a comparison between moyes ( who kept Everton competitive in one of the hardest leagues in the world ) to Ronnie ( who won a title in what is basically an amateur league) its like comparing Jennifer Aniston to Jordan , both look good from a distance but only one stands up to closer scrutiny, another cracker from your local condescending troll, Chris .

09 Jan 2016 17:32:44
Fab3 I didn't want to embarrass people who might think Moyes has some ability by mentioning his disastrous spells at Manchester Utd and a Spanish club where he lasted an even shorter term . Moyes has never won the top league in any Country , he has never won the cup or even a league cup.
In his relative short career Deila in contrast has won leagues in two countries and cups in two countries .
I don't know when any manager ability was judged by his appearance but based on other comments it doesn't surprise me you do

08 Jan 2016 11:33:06
Just wondering ed if you know the opinion on Janko. Seems a good rb a bit rough around the edges but big strong lad. Is he injured or just being over looked because the return of Lustig.

{Ed007's Note - Janko is out with an ankle injury he picked up in training a while back. }

08 Jan 2016 16:14:25
Sam wardrop is getting good revues in tge development squad . and Tony ralston is getting good revues at Queens Park on loan still only 16 I beleive. looks strong for future at rb . that is we give them a chance.

08 Jan 2016 16:31:28
Darnell Fisher should be recalled from his loan spell at St Johnstone, he's looked more than decent in the games he's played for us .

09 Jan 2016 00:41:25
Darnell Fisher is typical of many we have brought through, almost the idea player .
In my opinion I think he may have a career elsewhere in SPL or Div 1 or Championship in England.