Celtic Banter Archive January 08 2015

 

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08 Jan 2015 21:45:19
Hi bhoys and ghirls hope you all had a great Christmas and new year. Just a wee thougt I had today I'd like to share and discuss. Since we are not allowed to put a b-side into the lower leagues of the farce that is scottish football (buying of history and such) like Barcelona do in Spain. How about the club starting a franchise in the usa? I know it would cost a lot of start up capital, but why not share the ownership with an American sports team i.e Man City and the Yankees have with New York city. I was thinking the Boston Celtics as I'm lead to believe Boston is a massive stronghold for the hoops. Call them simply Boston Celtic. The club already has massive fan base in the states do has the basketball team that only follow the celtics that am sure would take intrest their team having a soccer team. Help grown the brand state side, send young talent over to learn in the most up and coming league on the planet, and get some of the best talent the states and surrounding countries as they wouldn't need a work permit with the ridiculous 80% of your countries matches in 2 years law

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I think that idea is spot on mate and with the name u just know they would all take to it

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I done a bit of looking into it there. There is an Irish popu of around the 100000 mark in Boston that and all the other Boston people that would take intrest would be a great start. Not to mention the rest of the celtic support over there nearly half of all states have at least one supporters club with around 60 in total. The big thing I feel is player development and star finding. Plus adding new fans that would take intrest and then look into the history of our great club. That also goes both ways with celtic fans taking intrest in the Celtics and there great history. Only stumbling bloc is CASH! It cost city and Yankees around $100m which would be around £33m each. Granted they are in New York and that would increase money required due to area. It's pie in the sky stuff but it's the sort of out of the box thinking I feel we need to move our club forward. Also Boston don't have a franchise so it must be a omen!

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The MLS is a joke league with teams spending half a day travelling to away matches and time needed to acclimatise

I think we would be far better loaning three players to three or four League of Ireland teams . For the players to live in a central location along with one or two Celtic coaches etc . Players could train with the club's the couple nights a week that the League of Ireland clubs train and train every day except match day with the Celtic coaches, who could also oversee their eating and sleeping habits and ensure these young players develop the correct lifestyle .

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Shame we don't have link with oostende in Belgium. That league is churning out some right good players

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I think it's a great idea to explore and whether it's in Boston, Berne or Budapest the marketing guys should have thought of it too.

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09 Jan 2015 10:58:30
You say the mls is a joke, with its top class facilities, loads of money, top coaching, great stadium, huge attendance's and state of the art pitches. But you want our young players to play in an amateur league played on bogs, rubbish stadium, low attendance's, full of hammer throwers, where anyone showing the slightest bit of potential is moved on double quick, why? Because it's in Ireland. No thanks .

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Am glad others feel it would be a great idea. I mentioned Boston is it best suited I feel with fan base already a stablished. It wouldn't be the ideal to send all young stars so a feeder club in Belgium would be great for that. The MPs would allow young talent from outside the eu to play show there ability and give greater chance to appeal their work permit rejection. Playin in a league to be fair far better than the spl is. Ireland is a dead rubber we would be just as well staring a jr side as the level would not as high as Ireland but not far off it. But the boys would train a Lennoxtown. Also there is no room to grow the brand in Ireland unlike the U.S. from no celtic fans that would take intrest in a side in there city that never had one before. Boston fits the plan exactly. Never had a team, fan base already in place with room for growth of the brand

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Fab 1 I am sure you are a regular spectator at League of Ireland matches, the same league that has more ex players playing in the Epl than players who started out life in the Spl . The idea I was trying to run was to loan players out to a league for a season they would still get First Team football and would still be under the auspices of Celtic people to improve their fitness and prepare them for life as a professional footballer .
It seems to me that we loan out ten to twelve youngsters every season, they may improve their football skills but, maybe because of homesickness, or lonieness or association with the wrong young players at their temporary club, they come back with bad attitude and bad life style . Maybe McGregor didn't but one or two out of a hundred is a poor recommendation for loaning players out .

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Lads going from the arse- hole of Scotland or anywhere else in these Islands are either going to be successful in Boston and think it's heaven on earth and won't leave it . Or else they will enjoy the Irish hospitality too much and will be no use and not wanted in the USA or back with Scotland . Same problem as we have now, we buy them as work in progress and those who respond want out the door and away, those who use Glasgow for fun and night -life we can't get rid off. To spend a ball of money in a place like Boston, might suit the ex-pats from Scotland and Ireland, they could watch streams of matches without getting up early .

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09 Jan 2015 16:43:30
I have thought a lot on this. We have produced only four young players in 20 years Maloney Macgeady Macmanus and Forrest I stand to be corrected. What about buying Carlisle Utd. Use Lennoxtown for training and coaching with a proper management team
Bring in four experienced players goalkeeper ( Zaluska ) CD ( Caldwell ) CM ( Robson ) CF (any ideas ) to help on the park . Delicate negotiations would be needed with the SFA and the Carlisle supporters but the benefits would be pronounced look at the development of Macgregor playing in England.The alternative is to release all the young players at 19, with the exception of the very few who look good enough for the first team, Henderson and Fisher. Use the money saved on better players. You would tell those who you release that this is part of their development and for them to only sign 3 year deals and return to Celtic park as fully developed first team players

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09 Jan 2015 16:44:19
Without having the exact figures to hand Chris and being a betting man I would bet my mortgage that the spl has produced a hell of a lot more players playing in the epl or championship than the league of Ireland has or ever will . Don't think just because a player is Irish or plays for the republic he has played in the league of Ireland , most decent talent go to the epl or Celtic before they have even turned 16

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God sake never thought there be so much debate for this. I like the Carlisle idea it would suit our home grown youngsters I.e them a feeder club. The U.S. option was to improve our club it's no surprise Man City are doing it to grow there brand as to be honest they are lowest followed club out of the worlds elite. Joining the Yankees a master stroke as it brings in that fan base to get interested in them. So Celtics would bring that to us. Being a franchise they would be a sorce of income. But I feel the chance to shop in areas like Brazil for new talent is the biggest plus. Playing there proving there quality and giving better chance of work permit appeal approval. Look at last player we got the appeal past (big vic). STar finding in those markets can make the club a fortune like Porto and shakter do very well in those markets

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but having an MLS franchise, would we still not struggle getting players across from the Americas with visas etc?

I've thought of the idea of a Boston Celtic before and love it.

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Hi Jim if u read my other post it points out my reasons why it would be fantastic idea. The brand growing ect. It would still me 100% the players would get a work permit with prof of their ability by them playin in a league that is of a higher standard than our. Some say it's not s high standard but players like gerrard and villa playing says to me it us.(might be old but they would still be best players in the spl). Come to Europe when they want to move up making celtic stronger and giving us chance then to sell on for profit like the transfer system in place at the club just now. And the ones we can't get a work permit we would still get revenue from there sale to other clubs

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Fab 1. Maybe in the days of old they were trafficked out of Ireland in their early teens, eg Dunphy and Giles but the amount of young players that didn't make it, changed the ages players have been coming to England . Coleman currently with Everton didn't leave Donegal until 20 years old . Five or six League of Ireland players are transferred to Epl teams each year .

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Madyin sorry don't think your other post was up. Wasn't aware that say a Brazilian youngster would find it that much easier getting a UK visa because he's played in the U.S.

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It's cool Jim. It wouldn't be 100% guaranteed they would get a work permit but a young player say from Brazil or Argentina would have better chance of one at the appeal hearing. Due to the fact of prof of them playing at higher standard than spl. Like big vic he would never been a hoops player if he had lost his appeal

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08 Jan 2015 21:05:57
A few seasons ago in the January Sales the only guy we brought in was Willo Flood. No harm to the lad but he brought zilch to the team and even less to the team photo. let's hope this window brings us one or two who can make a real impact. I'm not overly excited by D Us Gary, I don't know who is out there, but that's why Celtic pay Scouts all year round. Find us some exciting players. Celtic thrive on players who create atmosphere, have us on the edge of our seats. It's not the same without players the kids adore. Who is really going to say, "Awright, bags me Gary Mackay Stevens"

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Is it possible signing new exciting players that add talent and ability to the Celtic first team, maybe more difficult than some posters might think .

I have no idea, but I am aware that once a Celtic player gets good reports of his ability, this newly acclaimed player is looking for a transfer as soon as possible .
Celtic is no longer an attractive club for football stars .

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Willo Flood played well in the SPL before he joined Celtic and after he left Celtic . I think he suffered at Celtic because the fans were quick to let him know that they wanted better . The abuse he took from loud mouths in the stand and in "fans" posts in the like of a newspaer remove all confidence he had at Celtic .

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I thought the main plans we should have is to build and make the Celtic club that plays out of Celtic Park Glasgow as powerful and strong as possible . We have a lot of work to maximise the potential in Glasgow . To compare anything we can do with the multi million franchise of Manchester City is poor nonsense . For season after season they bought the best players that money could buy . So much money have they spent above what they earned, even with dodgy sponsorship that UEFA have fined them and threatened points reduction . Now Celtic are in a complete different position and probably will always be than Chelsea and City . City are trying to get rid of their excess in America, the joke league for European has beens

My idea of basing a group of 10/12 players in a 3/4 clubs rather close to each other playing before fans in a league that they are likely to get games and under the overseer of Celtic personnel. I know some Scots cannot tolerate anything Irish, but any league will do as long as they co-operate.
Setting up in Boston would reduce resources

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08 Jan 2015 20:33:16
Just enjoyed watching some classic goals on Youtube, In particular a few of Naka's and it got me thinking (which is rare) Do Celtic's scouts still actively look at the Far East market hoping to find another Naka or Ki.

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Naka was signed from Reggiana in Italy. But I doubt we are as all the good young Asian players are playing in Europe already

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I don't know how anyone on this forum would know what areas of the world that our scouts are operating in .
Naka was scouted in Italy, not Japan .

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Very suprised to read that I thought the majority of people on here were employed by the Tic going by the comments haha. Very aware of where the likes of Naka, Cha, Du Wei, Ki, Zhi & Mizuno came from I possibly worded my initial post wrongly, With PL traveling to make sure he got the Ki deal done knowing all the bonuses that come off the field with this type of signing I just wondered if it's a market we would be keen to get involved in again or is RD having more of an influence on who comes in and looking more at homegrown & Scandanavia. If only Naka was 25!

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08 Jan 2015 19:42:32
Might be worth tuning into this Man City U21 game BT Sports

Given RD's good links with Man City give us an idea of who else maybe worth getting on loan atvb

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08 Jan 2015 18:24:58
Does anyone know who the trialists were today for the development squad against Newcastle.

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One was Michael Duffy. Not sure about the second. Was Francisco Junior not going to come in on trial?

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1 appears to be the bhoy Duffy am wondering who the other 1 was

Presuming he is a midfielder or striker as the cfc website have him posted well into the team selection

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Michael Duffy the young boy from Derry City we had on trial earlier was one he scored 2 goals and another don't know who scored the other

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08 Jan 2015 19:46:19
Yeh one was defo Duffy,he scored 2 goals.was here in December to and impressed.

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I just looked up the boy duffys stats. Apparently he is a winger, 39 apps 16 goals.

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08 Jan 2015 20:02:39
Bismarck Adjei-Boateng?

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Said all goals scored by 2 trialists Duffy got 2 not sure who other one was. Isn't the match report on CFC website?

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Tut Tut Tut DN30 Don't tell me you are talking up someone "Celtic Minded" :-)

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Haha jamie lol

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Fab1 Duffy and Kavanagh are typical of the type of person leaving League of Ireland in recent years .

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10 Jan 2015 15:22:21
Just off the top of my head I give you mcgeady , Naismith , Robertson , fletcher ( man utd ), fletcher (Sunderland ),hutton and I'm sure there are a few more who started life in the spl Chris 02

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{Ed007's Note - Darren Fletcher was never with any Scottish team, he's been at Man Utd since he was 11.}

From the top of my ageing head ( I have forgotten more than I can remember ) Coleman Wilson Long Delaney Dunne O' Shea K Long Doyle Brady . McClean .

There is a MaCarthy boy from Hamilton that took your route .
Fab 1. I don't understand your bet, if I am right are you saying that I take on your mortgage . That doesn't make sense to me, as I have my mortgage cleared and own a five bed room house in a city suburbs, so why should I want your mortgage?

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10 Jan 2015 21:26:42
McArthur as well , you said a lot more players have went from loi to epl . I think a lot more players have gone from the spl . Sorry ed for some reason I thought I had seen fletcher playing for hibs , my mistake.

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08 jan 2015 17:58:09
just realised my e-mail to the telegraph was not accepted so maybe the address i have given was incorrect but it was the correct one according to the newspapers own contact details. no chance of any conspiracy theory there then!
a.s.

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{Ed007's Note - Use this link to contact them:

www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/about-us/form/

Cheers Ed 007
Did you see the article?

P.S. Do you know if Stevie Clarke's dad would still be interested in the Celtic job if it doesn't work out for RD? LOL

(You may have to look back to my earlier posts for a reminder.)

Thanks again!

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Looks like your e-mail done the trick . It looks like they've altered their article . Maybe you alerted a few more to do the same . Shameless journalism .

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08 Jan 2015 17:50:57
My E-mail to the Telegraph

Dear Sir Madam,
Regarding the aforementioned article in your newspaper today it is totally incorrect to suggest that Celtic Football Club had some kind of sectarian signing policy regarding protestant footballers unlike Rangers Football Club who were proud of their sectarian anti Catholic signing policy.Some of Celtic's greatest players like Kenny Dalglish and Danny McGrain and indeed their greatest manager Jock Stein were protestant and there was never any need for Celtic to have as you suggest "under the radar" protestant players playing for them. To tarnish the great name of Celtic Football Club by linking them to the bigoted and Anti Catholic football club who were Rangers FC is a disgraceful piece of journalism and is particularly offensive to myself and all Celtic supporters no matter their religion (which has no place in sport unless you have some kind of sectarian policy). I do not know of any other football club in the WORLD who have/ have had such a policy and how they were able to get away with it without any investigation into it from the SFA UEFA or FIFA is beyond me.

I look forward to your response to my e-mail but will not be surprised not to receive one.
A.S.

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The club should definitely come out and threaten the telegraph with legal action. Raging at this one!

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Obviously another sloppy unresearchied piece of journalism in which I hope the Celtic board take the telegraph to task over.a certain northern Irish protestant footballer was a Celtic legend and proudly captained Celtic to many trophies he also led the team in the famous 7-1 league cup final win against rangers . jock stein called him the "human dynamo step forward Bertie peacock .

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08 Jan 2015 17:48:38
There is an article in the Telegraph today about the most shocking transfers in football history and of course Maurice "Judas" Johnson crops up. However the wording regarding the article suggests we had some sort of sectarian signing policy like the Manky Mob.I was outraged and sent an e-mail of to them regarding this shoddy piece of journalism.please read article and feel free to reply to them at
papers@telegraph.co.uk if you too are as proud of Celtic's non sectarian history as I am.

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08 Jan 2015 15:08:26
Ed any idea what the under 21s result against newcastle was today? Cheers

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{Ed007's Note - I've no idea, someone was meant to text me but I've not heard from her yet.}

Henrik think it was 2-0 celtic with the young trialist we have Michael Duffy scoring both.

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Won 3-1. The lad Duffy on trial scored.

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A wonder who the other trialist was?

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The lad Duffy that scored, is that the boy from Derry? Markie

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Yip Markie

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08 Jan 2015 14:28:33
afternoon all, been reading more than posting lately but thought ill chip in on the is rd debate, is he good enough? time will tell but the guy should be given the chance, I don't think any fan wants him to fail, to say that is ridiculous, I personnally think that going forward we look great at times, but defensively were a shambles imo, I can't get used to 1 up front, and would hope he tweaks his system to play 2 be it 442 or even 4 1 3 2, its frustrating at times this season to watch us litterally hammer teams but still only nick it wi an odd goal, I fear for us in europe tbh with the defence, and i'm not saying ambrose as he's cut down his lapses in concentration to a couple per game, but because were so far up the pitch, ill sign off with this, i'm glad NL is doing ok at bolton, but imo the person we miss is mjallby,

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I would imagine Deila is fully aware that we are open at the back. However whenever he has the team fit enough and capable enough to play the system he wants, this openness will not be as important . I believe that we will be putting the opposition so much under pressure that our opponents won't be able to create many chances even though we won't have many defenders in place .
The one up front is of no consequences as Deila's system is flexible enough to have two or more up front when needed .
Be patient, give the man time, we are getting there, we are not conceding many and we are creating a fist-full of chances in every game, just need to be more clinical .

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08 Jan 2015 12:36:50
Just wanted to air a few points and also comment on this "Celtic Minded" debate, although I hate to give DN30 the oxygen of a reply as in my humble opinion he has nothing positive to contribute as all is posts are either negative or on the back of other genuine posters on here.
Our greatest ever manager Jock Stein was not "Celtic Minded" yet we all revere him for what he achieved, also 2 of our greatest players Kenny Dalglish, Danny McGrain were never "Celtic Minded"
Most Celtic fans will accept a manager or a player on their ABILITY nothing else. If some have doubts about Deila, like myself, it is not because he has no Celtic background, but a worry over his ability to manage our great club.
The other thing I want to comment on is the "furore" over referee Madden officiating at the League Cup semi, who cares, for as far back as any Celtic fan wants to go we have had to put up with these "handshake" jokers and time and time again we have overcome any "honest mistakes" they made. The "establishment" are running scared as they are worried their club takes a severe thrashing in this tie (another 7-1 would be great) then the new club would rival the old club in the biggest cup final defeat. hail hail

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Thats probably the first post I've seen you produce that doesn't mention your obsession with sevco. But to be fair to you, constitency in the matter. utter bull$hit.

You mention Jock Stein, Danny McGrain and Kenny Dalglish am I right? You do know they had a prior connection with club as players therefore falling into this "celtic minded pi$h" criteria. Oops! Timalloy once again you have made an ar$e of it.

No disrespect to Stein, McGrain and Dalglish

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DN whilst I agree with u on RD I still don't understand this celtic minded thing you go on about I think the fans expect a certain type of football and results, and if we see that happening were fine, put it this way mate, if SAF came out of retirement to manage us do you think majority of fans would be raging because he once played for a club that became extinct 3 yrs ago? I dnt think much would be said at all

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Sorry Bhoywonder just noticed your post. The Celtic minded issue, is one that has been well known for years. There is a segment of support who will not accept a manager of celtic if they do not "qualify" under one of more stipulations such as-had not played for club, not irish or not celtic supporter.

Prime examples in modern day apart from Deila, was wim jansen (untill he won league) and strachan (although his reign was more successful than Lennon).

You mention SAF, good point. This faction would relax policies due to his managerial capabilities. But at same time if that is the case, why treat Deila differently?

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08 Jan 2015 08:59:00
Looking across the last 6 months I like many CFC fans have not been buoyed by the football we are seeing on the park nor are we encouraged by the Deila/Collins coaching methods/tactics. How many of us is fed up with seeing a single striker up front? With a couple of additions I recon we have the potential to be a good solid team. The additions I would make is the reported interest in Gary mackay Steven, Stuart Armstrong, anya and as seen Shaun Maloney may be available for £1m bring him back sure he would do a turn linking up with broonie again. We also should move commons up front with guidetti and use scepovic and stokes as back up. Getting commons resigned is a must. We have an opportunity to have a strong Scottish player base in our squad that will play first team football.

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Did you watch the game against Kilmarnock on Monday? We played one up front and we played very very well. I'm fed up reading that we need to play 2 up front. It's not a magical formation

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One game against Kilmarnock does not make it a great formation to play! Deila is quick enough to chop and change the players in and out off position but not to change formation!

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08 Jan 2015 09:49:48
Yeh we played one up front and done well,but that's because the man backing up the loan striker was commons.its so much easier playin one up front when he's on the park,with his goal threat and ability to make things happen in the final 3rd.im sure if u ask any celtic striker who they'd want playin just behind them it would be commons no doubt! If we allow this guy to leave for the sake of another year on his deal then it's nuthin short of a disgrace! Ask any manager or defender i. The SPL when they play us,who is the player the fear most! Think we know the answer to that!

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Fair point. I'm a Commons fan but I've said before that I think you can tell very quickly what kind of game he's going to have. On his day he is our best player but he can be inconsistent. I'd give him a 1 year contract probably with an option to extend

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I don't think we are complete in any way but in some games not enough but in some games this year we have been great better than we have been in years. In my opinion the movement on and off the ball is a lot sharper in some games and I can see improvement apart from one or two hic ups but in a season that happens to most if not every team we DO need some new players in for the system that RD wants to go with but if he gets the players he wants in I can't see a lot of supporters not complaining at the style of football we go to see

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Let us be clear, the way Commons played on Monday night he would be a very useful addition to our first team squad . Unfortunately Kris has been very poor on his previous appearances for Us this season . We know how good he was last season but that was then .
I hope he does enough between now and the end of January to warrant his new contract .
Please stop going on about one up front because Celtic are playing the one up front formation in the same way as the top attacking teams in the EPL and Europe . Far from our one up front been isolated at Celtic he has numerous players up supporting him . If we played with two up front we could well have a striker isolated up front.

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08 Jan 2015 07:59:47
Rayman, ttts, I think DN30 is at the wind up with you guys. I can't believe he's that paranoid lol. Markie

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Couldnt resist markie lol

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08 Jan 2015 01:15:59
Just thinking outside the box here. Say Deila wife was Irish and as a result he gained Irish citizenship through marriage as his 2nd citizenship. would TTTS and rayman be more supportive and be more appreciative of Deila as manager as technically he would fall into this "Celtic minded pi$h" criteria they feel is crucial to be manager?

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08 Jan 2015 08:17:00
DN30, come on its a new year,
And yet still your the only 1 who talks about or brings up this " Celtic minded pish" constantly may I add. Delia has a long road yet to prove himself.
He ain't won nothing yet, and by the way I hope he is successful.
I will judge him at the end of the season 😠

P.S, "the blue eyed bhoy" doing a great job at Bolton, must b the move up to the big leagues.

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Dn30 do you realise you are the only person who uses the phrase celtic minded on here, generally in a derogatory matter is that because you are rebelling against your father by supporting celtic? I don't call fans/managers/players celtic minded I prefer to think of them as caring deeply for our club and wanting the best so I guess we could all describe ourself as celtic minded. If you are alluding to religion by saying celtic minded pi$h then just say it.

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DN30 I agree with a lot of your posts this year with regards to Deila and yes there is a few people out there that don't want to see him succeed because of this Celtic minded nonsense but just because people have an opinion about what's happening or don't like him doesn't make that the reason. I just think they're dinosaurs that don't understand where football in general or the Scottish game is heading at the moment. If it was up to a lot of people Deila would be sacked without giving him the time to implement his style/philosophy. And before people say he's had time, he's really really not. I have a lot of faith in him and think come next year with a couple of transfers we'll see fantastic attacking, free scoring football but that's my opinion just like others are entitled to theirs. Some folk just see the now and don't see what lies in the future. But just cause we don't agree with them doesn't mean there's an agenda.

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Relax lads, it was a friendly bit of banter lol

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Don't think the Berlin wall could have saved you in that 1 dn300 pmsl

no doubt your first thought will be to learn the German words for "celtic minded" lol

Or are you just saying that in really moving to BOLTON :-)

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Lmao your right Jamie. Was bored so thought i'd have a bash at a wind up lol

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LOL nothing wrong with a man who can have a laugh at himself :-)

Here a even looked it up for you cause it is all you talk about "Celtic Gesonnen" just to give you a head start pmsl

PS If you are going to Bolton there a Hotel right @ the Reebok Stadium

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Mate just thought i'd have a wee laugh to break the ice lol

Although timalloy has lost his sweeties on the way home from the sweetie shop lol

Cheers for translation mate, il make sure I use it lol

Is it walking distance? Lol I geniunely wish Lennon success at Bolton. My only problem with Lennon was the fact I didn't feel he was ready to be appointed manager experience wise. Always been of the opinion he should of served an apprenticeship at smaller club, develop skills and knowledge then become manager. Some people like to twist what my opinion is, either way you can't win lol

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Nae bother DN30 It is walking distance mate in the same complex lol gie you plenty of time to pop into the Bolton club shop and get a signed photo of your favourite manager (y)

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