Celtic Banter Archive February 08 2016

 

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08 Feb 2016 21:34:57
I can't remember ever being this torn over whether or not to stick or twist with a Celtic manager. I feel sorry for Ronny given he has little say in recruitment, both of players and backroom staff, and I think things could have/ could be different if he had total control. However, his inability to learn from his mistakes or to come up with a plan B has absolutely destroyed any credibility we had in europe. How many big games have we actually won this season, including domestically? Papped out the CL qualifiers, winless in the EL, 2 defeats to our nearest rivals and defeat in a cup semi. Just not good enough. My heart would love Ronny to turn it around but head says there's no chance of that happening. One things for sure, if Ronny is to be sacked then Collins and Kennedy must go too! If another manager has to work with that pair we will see little to zero improvement!

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08 Feb 2016 22:57:53
I agree I don't think the problem is with Ronny and I'm convinced if we were to get rid of Collins and allow him to bring in his own choice of assistant we would see a big improvement. Maybe sounds daft to think that one man can destroy the morale of a dressing room but I fully believe this man is capable of doing just that. I despise him, with just looking at him and listening to him his arrogance shines through.

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{Ed007's Note - Don't hold back there, Stevie!}

08 Feb 2016 23:39:03
How is a new assistant going to improve the team exactly?

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08 Feb 2016 23:45:39
Ice man it would improve things drastically you look at how meny sir Alex had over the years each one better than the last apart from Smith of course lol.

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{Ed007's Note - Carlos Queiroz doesn't get enough credit for the part in AF's success at Utd, especially in Europe. It was Queiroz that took training and worked on tactics etc. and for a long time he was seen by many as AF's natural successor.}

09 Feb 2016 00:03:51
I have had my doubts too - and on the assistant thing, it's not so much the bringing in of an assistant to instantly improve us, but it will take away an assistant that clearly has disrupted/ demotivated the squad and even contradicted the manager in interview.
There are several players who who improve in attitude, confidence and form, if Collins was not there, but the club don't see it or still don't trust RD to get it right without 'their man' in the shadows?

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09 Feb 2016 00:13:16
An assistant/coach has to have the likeability factor amongst the players as he probably spends far more time with them on the training ground , a manager in my opinion comes into it half an hour before kick off and have the ability to make his players feel like they are world beaters

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{Ed007's Note - I mentioned that the other night, Stevie. The assistant manager should be a well respected coach and ex-player or a bit of one of the lads, within reason. The assistant is the buffer and link between the manager and the players. I don't care what gets said in public there is no way Scott Brown and JC have a good working relationship and between the captain and the assistant that's never going to go work well.
I'm pretty sure past managers of our club would tell us (some if they could) how important the assistant manager is, from Stein through to TB, Wim Jansen, MON and NL.}

09 Feb 2016 00:22:48
Think your out of order to be fair Stevie! U despise John Collins! Do u know the guy personally to come up with such utter pish? I know Collins has been known for his ego, there's no getting away from that! But to use the word despise for a man who I loved watchn play in the hoops next to the Masetro is utter crap! Who would people on here say has been our best and most improved player this season? I would guess a large number would say griffiths, the same griffiths who's stated that it's John Collins who has been most help for him in training and helping him improve! That kind of Shoite wouldn't be out of place on the sevco page pal! Bang out of order! U could bring any assistant u could care to mention and it still wouldn't make a difference to ronnie! The guy just hasn't got it to manage our club! As has been proved, and will continue to be proved with each passing game! His time has been up for a while now, but lawell doesn't have the balls to come out and admit his idiotic projects went tits up! Now if your looking for a man with arrogance shining through then look no further than lawell! A flame thrower wouldn't mark that neck!

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{Ed007's Note - RD isn't here to manage the club - that's Lawwell's job. You're accusing him of failing at things that aren't even his responsibility now.}

09 Feb 2016 00:31:44
Not buying it at all! Can't see how getting rid off Collins would make the difference! Don't get me wrong i'd prefer it if he left along with Kennedy and RD! Would also like to see park and Lawell out the door too and start from scratch but can't see how Collins alone would make a blind bit of difference.

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09 Feb 2016 01:42:43
The Collins one for me is a complete mystery! Not once has anyone come up with any hard facts about John Collins being a current problem! We all know about the previous with Brown, and that he's supposed to be arrogant etc etc! How someone can say they despise him because of rumours is bizarre! Scott Brown and Leigh Griffiths are very close and Griffiths said only last week how much (JC) - his words, had helped him! He said Collins stays behind with him after training to work on finishing together! Young Nesbitt said a couple of months ago that Collins had been a huge influence on his development! Bottom line, Ronny is there and if he had anything about him he would overrule anything the other coaches say that he doesn't agree with! We all know Deila is Lawwell's project, and how much he loves him so if Ronny wasn't happy with John Collins he'd be out the door! For me we need to get a complete new team in! Ideally including Lawwell and Park!

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09 Feb 2016 09:34:08
I think that we're all in agreement that Lawwell is the dictator, with Park running around after him looking for project after bloody project! Lawwell also deals with contracts etc. So really bottom line is Ronny is the head coach, with Collins and Kennedy as assistant coaches! The 3 of them are on the training pitch every day! From what I've seen and heard, Collins does most of the attacking/ passing drills and Kennedy the defensive! Ronny oversees all this/ stands at the sides, but also joins in and does certain sessions also! Every morning before the 3 of them go on to the training pitch they discuss/ decide the exact training programme for that day - this is done all over the world! So anyone can blame Collins and Kennedy for mistakes, and our inability to be a good team and beat poor - average teams is nonsense! Ronny is there every day and controls it. He is to blame, but the other 2 don't seem to be helping, and they are there to assist! Fergie was brilliant at choosing assistants, as well as Queiroz, he raved about Steve McClaren. The players have to respect these guys as people and tactically, and I think Queroz was especially good at both. Ferguson wouldn't be there all the time though he would help decide the sessions let the coaches do it then come for the last half hour or have lunch with them, so he would hear back from players and the coaches how it went etc etc! Deila is standing watching it every day, he is there constantly (in general) he can see how players are responding, he can see if Kennedy is useless with coaching the defence, he can decide to go man for man instead of zonal if he wants! He can see if players don't like Collins/ if he is being arrogant! For God's sake, - Ronny has to take responsibility, and to be fair I think he is, I've never once heard him be negative towards his coaching staff! It's simply not working, sometimes we analyse things to much! Maybe the 3 of them are average, maybe the 3 are great coaches but don't inspire! Whatever way we look at it its not working!

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09 Feb 2016 10:36:09
I keep hearing that RD is not responsible for this or not in control of that. What exactly can he be held accountable for? Lot of folks on here seem to think he is completely blameless, which is clearly ridiculous. And if he is not at fault for any of our woes, how will he be in a position to make things better?

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09 Feb 2016 10:43:49
There are different levels of coaches iceman, it's quite simple.

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09 Feb 2016 10:06:39
Is Ronnie not the manager ED? I'm accusing him of him of not being up to the job of being manager! How is that not his responsibility! I've said its lawells fault for appointing him. far to many people on here tryin to search for a reason not to blame Ronnie for my liking. there were was actually somebody on here blaming the press for us being Shoite the other day for gods sake! Yes he hasn't been helped by lawell and the board and yes the quality of player isn't the same! But that team is clueless spineless and lacks any sort of leadership! And will continue to be so with Ronnie in charge!

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{Ed007's Note - RD is still not the manager of the club.}

09 Feb 2016 13:19:34
Is R D not managing / coaching Celtic in the same way as most managers/ coaches operate in most Leagues . It seems to me that most owners, or an appointed director make the decision re players coming in . Chelsea and Liverpool managers are just two examples of people working with hands behind their back . To listen to the special one Mourinho, one would be forgiven for thinking that he had complete. Control.

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09 Feb 2016 14:56:33
No head coach these days manages the club. But i'm a bit old school and think that a manager should have more of a say than I think RD has, particularly with recruitment.

I'm led to believe RD highlighted Elyounoussi. But JP and PL opted for Richards. Unfathomable.

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09 Feb 2016 15:31:44
And here was me thinking we needed a new chief exec, chief scout, manager, goalkeeper, centre half, creative midfielder and striker when all along all we needed was a new assistant manager! Silly me.

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09 Feb 2016 16:09:51
We could do with all of that Ice Man. But replacing Collins for a more qualified coach would make A difference. Might have misread your post slightly.

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09 Feb 2016 16:16:51
To me at the end of the day upstairs have to take a long look at how the club is run Because as it is its not working the way as it is. The manager should say what players he wants the board should have ONLY job in that respect to try to bring in that player like wise management team The manager should have the say as to who he wants for his back room staff and not the Board that way the Manager takes the blame rightly so if it goes pear shaped as it is WE blame every one and I feel sorry for RD for being in that position PL PLEASE do the right thing and let the MANAGER do his job AND YOU STICK TO YOUR JOB.

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09 Feb 2016 16:31:06
I hear what you're saying Jim Tim but unfortunately our problems lay much deeper than Collins or RD for that fact! Sad times.

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09 Feb 2016 16:31:33
When did the assistant manager do anything more than put out cones and carry out a bag of balls . Sure when doing that he cannot be too disruptive .

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09 Feb 2016 17:22:32
Martin Oneil rarely ventured onto the training ground he left it to Walford and Robertson , but what O'Neil had that Ronny probably hasn't was superb man management skills. Always remember Larsson saying the talk O'Neil gave the team 10 mins before they walked out at Anfield for the Uefa cup qtr final was the best he had ever heard in his career. A superb motivator, charismatic and respected in my opinion is essential to be a successful manager

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08 Feb 2016 21:33:28
To all the Sack The board and sack Ronnie (apart from the DR and the biased) , tell us what Board members we should have had over the past 10 years and who you would have bought (and the cost of! ) over the last 5 years and what the average weekly salary of the players should be Really looking forward to see what grip on reality our so called experts have. Scottish clubs cannot live outwith their means, as evident at ibrox, it has to be run as a business, but it helps to have supporters' behind the team 100% Look at the Board and compare it with both pre and post liquidation at ibrox and wake up! hail hail.

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08 Feb 2016 22:50:28
Any board of any team ought to have the ambition for the clubs success, the difference with our millionaire board executives, they are profiting from our domestic basic success but more to our outgoing profits tather to a gamble on a high buy in player.
The signs are clearly there, a change is absolute, RD has to go, and maybe at least the board will then invest as they should in the first instance HH.

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08 Feb 2016 23:27:40
Norway 1 I am well awake mate. And I won't take any lectures about getting behind the team from you or anyone. In my view and yours may be different I think the manager and his coaching staff are grossly underperforming. I am not suggesting we live outside our means, what peoe conveniently forget is that RD has an enormous financial advantage over every other team in the country. Quite simply he should be producing a team which is much better than the rest. but he isn't is he because he wants to indulge in his fanciful ideas.

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08 Feb 2016 23:58:32
Leeds Celt could u tell us how much the billionaire board executives draw from Celtic collectively.

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09 Feb 2016 09:59:46
Old Bhoy all that information is in the accounts! DD gets the same amount of dividends per share as all other preference shareholders. He just has more shares. He also takes £25k a year as a director. PL had a bonus of £480k plus £500k salary. What's your point?

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09 Feb 2016 10:55:15
Old boy, in your world Peter lawwell can do no wrong, Dermot Desmond can do no wrong, and Ronny Deila can do no wrong, given that the team is underperforming, we are failing in Europe, and our crowds are dropping off, what would you do to try and improve the clubs fortunes.
It would be nice if you could say something constructive for a change, rather than just spouting your usual nonsense that if we don't say anything critical about the people running our club everything will work out.

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09 Feb 2016 12:39:50
Norway there is no debate when it comes to living within our means of course we can't go spending huge amounts every window. We are existing WELL within our means and showing zero ambition which is the problem. Our scouting just isn't up to scratch to roll the dice the way we do and our little transfers have amounted to vast sums of wasted money.
Pl is one of the most handsomely paid in the UK for the position he holds so there is your cost.
I'm baffled your bringing sevco in as argument why we should be happy with the board. Come on mate.
This wage cap is an illusion set by board to brain wash us into thinking we are being sensible when no one signed is anywhere close to it.
We should have a set wage budget instead of a player cap.
We have slashed our total wage budget year on year and managed to flood our squad with mediocre players on 10-15k when we could of tempted a select few better players and now that money is out of our pot and can't be used till those players are gone.

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09 Feb 2016 13:31:11
My point Johnnymac was I was seeking information . You haven't supplied that information as I was seeking how much the billionaire directors drew from the club in a yearly basis . If u know maybe u could share your knowledge, if u don't that's fair enough.

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08 Feb 2016 20:37:50
breaking rumour.
The SFA were today trying to rewrite the calendar for the Scottish Cup quarter final draw when one of their hierachy a Mr Campbell Ogilvie misread the cup dates as 56th of March instead of either 5th OR 6th March. An SFA spokesperson said "this is only a minor glitch and every club will soon be issued with the new calendar".

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08 Feb 2016 20:28:44
so am sittin in the "lord lucan suite it ibrokes " its awfy quiet in here the nite ed.

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{Ed007's Note - Everybody's sitting waiting for the X-Files to start back.}

08 Feb 2016 20:27:10
I am depressed, fed up and totally bloody annoyed and irritated by the rubbish football our team is playing at the moment. Yesterday just summed it up. I'm surprised EK didn't score against us because almost every other team we play does.
Pants, pants and more pants. That is all.

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08 Feb 2016 21:16:50
sorry but your not depressed you may be a wee bit miffed but not depressed.

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09 Feb 2016 00:01:11
It's good that your surprise re E K not scoring didn't happen.

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09 Feb 2016 12:45:18
The depressing part is we don't have the talent to break down an organised defence at any level.

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09 Feb 2016 13:34:16
rglen8 Luck for u, it appears u never suffered depression or u wouldn't be so flippant about using the term depressed.

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10 Feb 2016 12:08:52
Don't be so stupid big. D and Old Bhoy anyone can be "depressed" about a situation they guy ain't saying he is clinically depressed! Load of nonsense!

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10 Feb 2016 22:37:06
Depression is too serious an illness for people to be flippant about.

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08 Feb 2016 20:12:27
Just seen a photo of the "sack the board" banner at the EK game. Won't be at a game until Dundee myself but I really hope minds start to be vocal, join in chorus and a revolution is in full swing by then. Something both pro and anti RD celts can join in hand in hand. Celts for Change anyone?

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08 Feb 2016 20:52:04
I agree Jim - I almost get the Impression that Lawwell is getting off on being so intransigent! That's why I'd like Desmond to get rid of him and Park! Bankier also seems an egomaniac! It's not so much their decisions, of anything to do with Ronny, simply that they don't give a feck what we think! They think we're all a bit thick, it's actually quite ironic because the last few years with them in charge takes a bit of beating!

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08 Feb 2016 20:58:15
It did not help get rid of John Reid so doubt it will help now.

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08 Feb 2016 21:18:32
DD should be leaving aswell i think we have the tightest billionaire owner in world football.

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08 Feb 2016 21:25:44
It's a nice thought Jim, but who actually sacks a board.
This board would probably respond to demonstrations against them by sacking the manager, they would hope that that would be enough to keep the fans happy.
I would love to see different people running our club, people with a bit of ambition and vision. I know in reality though that it's very unlikely to happen.
Dermot Desmond is quite happy making money out of Celtic, if the natives start to get restless he'll sacrifice the manager to keep us at arms length.
However much we moan about them, I can't see this board going anywhere, we just have to hope that either Ronny starts to come good, or a different manager comes in and manages to get more out of what we have.

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08 Feb 2016 22:14:30
I know Desmond isn't perfect but he has actually put in hard cash, and he did at the only real time we needed it! Guys like Lawwell and Bankier haven't put in a cent! My family bought quite a lot of shares when Fergus bought the club yet Lawwell and Bankier are making all the decisions, and they come across as totally detached, and almost as though we have a cheek even questioning anything they do! That other lot have made more progress on the pitch in 6 months than we have made in Lennon's last season and Ronny's time put together!

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08 Feb 2016 23:45:00
Well certain members. Not sure what our current chairman has done exactly and our chief executive falls short in all criteria. Those two for me would be a start. Obviously majority shareholders aren't all going to disappear at once unless some sheikh or oil baron sees fit, which probably wouldn't be just yet. But first things first.

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09 Feb 2016 00:04:24
I am afraid you haven't a notion if D D is the tightest billionaire in world football .
I think that is really a crazy over the top statement made without any substance .

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09 Feb 2016 01:32:19
well if you look at other clubs with billionaire owners who actually put money into their club instead of taking it out he must be pretty close to being the tightest and if u think that's a crazy over the top statement you must live a very sheltered life.

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09 Feb 2016 13:44:19
big D Dermot Desmond doesn't own Celtic, he is the biggest shareholder and Fergus Mc Cann when he was looking for investors couldn't believe his generousity as D D told Fergus he would give double what he was seeking .
According to past managers of Celtic D D is very generous towards club and first team squad . I imagine these managers may know more than some fans re D D's generousity or tightness.

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08 Feb 2016 18:53:12
Stranraer, East Kilbride and Morton must be our easiest route to the semis for years. Mind you taking nothing for granted at the moment.

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{Ed007's Note - We lost to Morton at home in the LC in 2013.}

08 Feb 2016 19:20:11
Remember it well ed one of Lennys many cup disasters

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{Ed007's Note - It was the fact it was at home I couldn't believe, an absolutely freakish result and another Ambrose blunder that cost us. It's because I've seen so many of those games over the years that I was just glad to get yesterday's game over and done with and be in tonight's draw.}

08 Feb 2016 19:54:49
Come to think of it we are incredibly partial to a "cup shock". I'll take 2-0 now though.

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08 Feb 2016 20:03:18
I remember it well too had about 25 corners hit the woodwork about three times made about 7 first team changes and played with the dreaded one up front and that was pukki!

Bit like yesterday away goalie thought he was Superman for the night.

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{Ed007's Note - Would you say there's any real gulf in quality between a team like Morton and EK Thistle? For me most of Ek's young players, on that showing yesterday, could easily step up to play in the lower leagues. Didn't the commentator say yesterday their GK had been at Morton?}

08 Feb 2016 20:07:12
It was a bad one, I've got to the stage now I dread going to Hampden I reckon we must of lost round about 8 of our last 12 games there

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08 Feb 2016 20:26:37
Their wee CF played for St Mirren I think it was a couple of seasons ago. Only know this because the commentator said he had a bone to pick with Ambrose because he was clean through on goal in a St Mirren Celtic game and big Efe hauled him down .Some things never change

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08 Feb 2016 20:31:53
Many players who play for junior/ highland and lowland league teams are easily good enough for 3rd maybe 2nd division sides. Junior sides appeal to many players due to their proximity to major towns, the distance between Glasgow and sides like Peterhead, Arbroath and Montrose is often a put-off for many players. Also, money at junior level isn't too dissimilar to that at lower league level.

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08 Feb 2016 20:38:17
I thunk Morton got a wee bit of swagger the now Ed if am honest, speaking earlier on another thread that's where my mate is in charge of the youth

Few players yesterday for sure could step up but for me now it's all about preparation as well boys, yesterday knew they were in the shop window with cameras being there cannot see our game getting covered via the other ties

For me that's RD's best quality he tells it as it is saying one off games big moments big decisions can go against you

For me under NL the killie and Hearts games big decisions went against us under RD it's the same now with ICT and Ross County the difference being NL would have wanted to hit someone lol same choite different day mate (y)

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09 Feb 2016 13:47:42
When it suits some posters refer to SPL teams as "Pub teams", if that is the case East Kilbride cannot be much worse or else referring to SPL teams as pub teams is a shade over the top.

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08 Feb 2016 18:42:58
Some bollocks on here. Facts; in next round, no banana skins after 2 losses (first remember we only had 10 men for 77 minutes) and on a plastic pitch, no injuries. New Centre back looking the biz and Christie over injury and Allan looking lean and fitter. Even Mulgrew played well. Fiction; people on here who think Celtic are Chelsea and we can buy anyone we like. Several posters quoting we can also afford to pay Terry and Moyes - Terry alone, is getting more a week than almost Celtic's team on Sunday combined. Stop listening to the DR t*** and support the tic. Think, why is the DR not asking for MW and RN heads after cup results ay weekend. MW said gets would stuff Killie and RNs team lost a 2 goal lead. Get behind the team and Manager, Hail Hail.

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08 Feb 2016 18:39:28
Could only happen in Scotland canny even get the draw right,

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08 Feb 2016 19:10:30
What a farce, thank goodness it worked out to our advantage.

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08 Feb 2016 18:37:28
Ha ha they must of seen Sevco were getting an away tie and have abandoned the draw. Only in Scotland this can happen.

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08 Feb 2016 19:02:58
The hot balls must have cooled down and they drew the wrong teams.

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{Ed007's Note - Or the hot one melted....

08 Feb 2016 18:36:55
Oh ! Canny even manage to do a draw correctly!

Looked as though 1 team was in twice to me?

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{Ed007's Note - How can we blame this on RD? (giggle)

08 Feb 2016 18:53:39
PMSL Ed, An here was me thinking it was CG that was going to get the blame for another unsafe pair of hands ;-)

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08 Feb 2016 18:26:50
What's the chances of ANOTHER away cup draw?

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{Ed007's Note - 50/50.}

08 Feb 2016 18:39:54
The Shame didn't get home draw ooooops a balls opened let's start again!

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08 Feb 2016 18:42:36
Outstanding reply.

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08 Feb 2016 18:48:36
Just watched that farce of a draw and we were drawn away to Dundee Utd and then one of the baws burst open by mistake in the bowl.
Hysterical and SLY were mortified.
Waiting for the re-draw . and we eventually get a home draw against Morton.
This will be on 'What happened next? ' or 'It'll Be All Right on The Night' in the future.

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08 Feb 2016 16:07:26
I have read through the posts on RD Moyes and other mangers and have come to this conclusion.
RD was suppose to improve our fitness our youth and our coaching. I see no change from all the other recent managers under NL when reduced to 10 men we battled and dominated games to come through and win ( who could forget the game against rangers that certainly won us the league that year)
D Moyes was a fool to take the United job when he did had he held off he would be there now and had hundreds of millions to spend, Martinez has done no better than him at Everton and the young players he is using were delveloped by DM He too has been given a lot more money than DM

AS for the scottish managers named all have there good and bad points which may make them risky however as an Assistant to an experenced Manager ( European or British) it may be an ideal choice as in the case of Macleod and Jansen.

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08 Feb 2016 17:47:42
Out of interest, what game with ten men did we come back against rangers (under Neil Lennon) that Won us the league? I genuinely can't remember.

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08 Feb 2016 17:50:01
R D was given a Scottish assistant and some say that hasn't worked out too well.
If and when R D leaves or is asked to leave his replacement will be a risk. There is no guarantee that the in- coming manager will do as well . The Managership job at Celtic is particularly difficult as very many of Celtic's fans are far more ambitious for Celtic to succeed on the playing field than the board is . It can't be easy for any manager of any club who winning their league doesn't satisfy the more vocal supporters.

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08 Feb 2016 19:53:34
The game the op was referring to was the Scottish cup game we drew 2,2 away to rangers where we totally outplayed them with ten men.

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08 Feb 2016 20:17:01
Thanks i had forgot it was in the cup. the point i was making we dominated even with 10 men and the result propelled us forward to subsequently beat them to win the league.

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08 Feb 2016 22:02:47
Oh I see. Well, that cup game (I don't think we did totally outplay them albeit we should have won by the end of it) led to a Scottish cup win - not a league title. We actually lost the league to Rangers that season, if I'm not mistaken, after a poor defeat in Inverness. So let's get some perspective here. You can't use examples that don't exist as yet another way to bash RD.

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08 Feb 2016 12:53:14
Hi Ed

Everyone man and their dog has an opinion on Celtic at the min and i an no exception, i have a question which i have formed my own opinion to but just interested in youra and the other contributors to this forum. Do you think the players have downed tools for RD?
The more i watch the tram the more it seems that they're just not putting in the required effort.
It looks to me as if they've gave up on him for whatever reason and he can't get them back, i'm not privvy to insider info as i'm sure a lot of folk aren't but there is something clearly wrong within the team/ training ground, just wondering what your thoughts were?

Cheers.

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{Ed007's Note - We've got too many big time Charlies who think all they have to do is turn up. I'd back any manager against players not pulling their weight, it's unprofessional for a start and if pulling that jersey on (for stupid ££ a week) isn't enough to motivate someone then there's plenty of players out there to replace them.}

08 Feb 2016 14:01:19
There is no question there are guys who are just going through the motions, Tierney and Griffiths are about the only two who seem to be giving their all, every time they play.
However I worry that he will over-use Tierney and put too much responsibility and mental fatigue on young shoulders?
Others like Ambrose and maybe Lustig do give the effort, but their actual performance and ability levels are lacking.
Guys like Commons, Johansen and Bitton have rarely been out of second gear and I actually doubt Bitton has a higher gear as he is so slow.
New arrivals from United in particular have found the step-up and expectation too much for them and I hope he gives a chance to the other new signings more often and freshen things up - before it's too late for him and our 'Double Hopes'.

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08 Feb 2016 13:40:51
Cheers Ed

I don't buy into the whole playing for the love of the club persona some put out, these guys are supposed to be pros. Like all of us they work to get paid.
If some aren't pulling there weight. Irrespective of whether they like the manager or not, professional pride must surely make them put the required effort in?!
I honestly only see this going 1 way and that is it will ultimately end in RD being removed from his job, but if he falls alone then shame on the club and players alike. They are all equally culpable for the situation we are in as a club.
A little perspective however is required. We are top of the league with a game in hand and have only lost 3 matches this season but the standard of football on show has been very poor at times.

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08 Feb 2016 13:54:00
ED007 did Boerighter leave the club or is he still picking up his wages for doing nothing.

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{Ed007's Note - He's still there, Tim, it's baffling. His agent held talks with PL last summer and in January regarding a settlement to cancel his contract and both times they've came to nothing. Either Boerrigter and his agent are stubborn money grabbing sods or PL has really tried to lowball them with the pay-off.}

08 Feb 2016 14:04:32
Ed I feel it's a similar situation with moyes and man utd. Overpaid players who think they know better and don't have to try or listen as they feel they have more pedigree.
All you need to do is look at Griffiths. He's taken on board what Rd is saying and knuckled down and reaping the rewards.

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{Ed007's Note - Moyes was never the right man to take over from AF, the job was simply too big for him, Utd are a mess behind the scenes and it stems from AF neglecting the scouting, coaching and the academy.
For us it's a matter of breaking the bad habits the players who were already here have picked up. Players coming from other countries will ease into it with no problems because they've been doing it for years.}

08 Feb 2016 14:46:20
I'm not saying it's right, but that's why I think that clubs like Celtic need experienced managers.
Players probably think they know it all, especially when they have won titles and cups, if a manager comes in with no experience and tries to change the habits of these players, then I think that a lot of players will just look at him and think, how can you tell me how to be successful.
I'm not saying that it's right, I just think that you need a very strong willed character to overcome this.

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{Ed007's Note - RD was more experienced than NL was when he got the job.}

08 Feb 2016 17:09:05
The thing is ED, Neil lennon had won things as a player, I still think that made him too inexperienced, I just think this is too big a job for a manager with little or no experience, but I think that's the type of manager this board wants as they can keep a tight grip on them.

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{Ed007's Note - Plus they're cheaper, Gerry. That's THE most important part.}

08 Feb 2016 18:37:19
Brian Clough at Leeds Utd is probably the classic example of player power and look what they lost.

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08 Feb 2016 18:48:02
Ed I am confused about this cheap option thing. I thought Roy Keane was offered the job first is that right. If so how can it be the cheap option as Keane would have cost a fortune.

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{Ed007's Note - Keane himself said the contract offer 'failed to rock my boat'. Have a read at this:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29525723

Or even better get out and buy his book!}

08 Feb 2016 19:39:57
I read his book ed, but I can't believe for 1 minute that he wudnt have been offered a lot more than Ronny.

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{Ed007's Note - Well whatever he was offered wasn't enough and we were obviously even trying to get Keane on the cheap. The article even sheds light on how long CFC have had that approach when he says he felt like he did negotiating to join as a player. And all the while PL has been taking more and more out of the club.

PLPAY

08 Feb 2016 21:05:51
Rayman mate, Ed's right Keane was told by PL "take it or leave it" "it's yours if you want it" but no scope in negotiating mate

Keane turned it over to the EPL's football management association who were surprised at it there was also the fact his No.2 was already chosen (RD)

RK was underwhelmed about the whole process (y)

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09 Feb 2016 00:36:44
Why blame PL tho ed he is only an employee.

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{Ed007's Note - If you don't understand PL's job I'm not wasting my time explaining it to you. Far too many supporters don't understand how the club is ran and I'm bored trying to explain it. It's obviously beyond a lot of your comprehensions.}

08 Feb 2016 10:08:17
Major changes/ news expected from Celtic park this week. Is Ronny and Collins getting bumped? New manager announced for summer? Or maybe even big John Terry as someone has already hinted at.

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08 Feb 2016 17:54:58
Celtic F C, I am sure hasn't sunk so low that they could even consider some one like John Terry on the coaching staff.

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08 Feb 2016 18:29:16
Someone mooted John Terry earlier mate but would be as playing staff not coaching.

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