Celtic Banter Archive August 08 2013

08 Aug 2013 23:00:46
i still think we missed the boat not bringing richard dunne in. the guy is rock solid, wins everything in the air, would have strolled the spl and defo gave us that bit of experience that we lack in europe. we are a young side but wudnt hurt to sign one or 2 over 30's for when the going gets tough. we need that kind of player who can still cut it and also played at that higher level and high profile games that could bring the younger guys on

Richard Dunne is done. He would only consider Celtic now because no one else would touch him.

Far too slow for European football. green jhedi

08 Aug 2013 22:20:58
I am assuming any intrest in Philip Hosnier is gone unless Austria get put out or he will be cuptied in champions league {Ed007's Note - Yep.}

ED if Vienna get eliminated in the PO round and go into the EL, will he not still be cup-tied as the Celtic and Vienna can meet in the EL knockout rounds? Sure this was the case when oldco signed Jelavic.

G93

08 Aug 2013 19:55:54
Ed do you think we are going to get any good business done before the next cl qualifier? Not really wanted to complain because of the promising start to signings but we've just lost the spine of our team with Wilson leaving! 3 of the first names on the teem sheet gone starting to get a bit nervy especially after that performance. {Ed007's Note - I'm hoping that there will be new faces brought in before the next CL match, last night was far from a convincing performance.}

08 Aug 2013 17:51:38
Hi there, just wondering if Ed had any concrete rumours about players coming in a Celtic park. Players like Kevin Doyle are surely not coming to Celtic park to be our top striker? Feel like Finnbogason would be a great signing from what I have seen of him, also heard a rumour about Tom Huddlestone, I think if we managed to pull off these two signings it would improve the team dramatically, anyone agree?

cm67

Totally agree, It's just the longer we wait on Finnboggason the more pesamistic I get. Now EPL sniffing around. maybe missed the boat and Hoisner was another I like the look of who is now cup tied

Tompo88

08 Aug 2013 20:28:50
Can I just say good luck to my daughter Katy tonight. She spoke with me 3and a half weeks ago and said we are wanting to move back to scotland as soon as possible. moved back last week. put cv on jobsite got 2 interviews next day flew up and starts next monday. Said last week life would be perfect if I could get a place playing for Celtic Ladies. I emailed last week with her details as she had played at a decent level down south but hasn't kicked a ball for 4 years. Cue phone call this morning from Paul Brownlee the ladies manager and as we speak she is at barrowfield training with the team and it should be for a while as he said they would make sure they got her fitness levels up to a good level to give her every chance of making it. Happy days {Ed007's Note - Well done to Katy!}

Ah well done mate, good luck to her, hope she gets to play for the hoops. Everyone of our dreams come true on this site. I'd cut my arm of for a chance to wear the hoops for real.

Darrenbhoy

Thanks Ed and Darren just spoke to her and first session went really well said it was amazing walking out at Celtic park for the conditioning exercises before moving over to barrowfield where it went much better than she hoped. So hopefully I will soon see her stroll out in the hoops to play a game

Well done mate must be proud to see your kid play for the tic. Hail hail

Well done to your daughter. You must be very proud. Hope her dream of playing for the ladies team is realised. Good luck Katy. Julieghirl

08 Aug 2013 19:53:14
With our luck in draws we will get highest rated non seeded team.
In last round Elfsburg were the highest, I believe Legia Warsaw are this time. They are a big team in Poland with a ground that holds 31,000 and are SPL top half standard, all the other teams hold under 15,000.
Going to Kazakstan will be tough physically, half way round the world, but then they have to travel also to Scotland probably not in the comfort Celtic would fly out there.
It will be a difficult tie no matter who we get, but we should be able to overcome any of these teams over 2 legs.
My preference is Maribor and Lennon can ask Ally on advice how to beat them, with his famed tactics handed down by cardigan (in a brown paper bag) 451 or was it 550 lol Timalloy

Tim come on now carridigans tatics were 9-0-1 or 10-0-0 home or away here or abroad and well you know it stop bumming them up

Tim, I'm trying not to over analyse last night's ahem 'performance'. Its done, dusted, in the past and hopefully never to happen again!

Worst case scenario we go into the next qualifier game with the same squad and no additions (I'm assuming nobody else leaves).

Just looking back at the 1st leg away Helsingborg game we started with Forster, Matthews, Rogne, Mulgrew, Izzaguire, Commons, Brown, Kayal, Ledley, Samaras and Hooper and played a 4-3-3/4-4-2 formation. Forrest came on for Kayal at the beginning of the 2nd half. We won this match 2-0 with Commons scoring in the 2nd min!

Rogne would be replaced with Ambrose but Kayal is a worry as I don't think he has been looking like the player he was at all.

Samaras as a lone striker is not working, he drifts back to his preferred left wing. Boerrigter has to start if he does not hurt himself again but I don't think we should play Balde just for the sake of it particularly as Neil Lennon has described him as 'raw'.

Lustig had a good game last night and he scored a good goal against Cliftonville but I still prefer a fully fit Matthews hmmm.

The problem is without a doubt who will get us goals?

I think a few teams we could meet are tougher than Helsingborg.

We need to keep possession, tight at the back and no nerves. ~ Mrs E

08 Aug 2013 22:10:59
Mrs E, you should be on the television or radio with your expert football knowledge, you put all those clowns like Young, Keevins etc to shame.
We have this Liverpool friendly coming up I hope players like Van Dijk and Boerigter (if both fit) Balde and Myoukoko get game time.
If we do not sign anyone before next qualifier then play Mulgrew and Lustig at CB, Mathews on right, Ledley on left in place of Izzy. Put Brown and Ambrose in holding midfield roles. Sammy is better on left and put Boerigter down right and play Stokes as main striker. Timalloy

Ha Tim I have a job dealing with some nice folk and some complete eejits, I think I better stick with that :-)

I was trying to be positive about the next round in that we had no Wanyama or Wilson last season at this stage.

I keep forgetting about Myoukoko, I've still to cast my eye over him.

Since the Sion game, Neil Lennon has not really done much wrong on the European front including the Europa Cup from 2 season ago ~ Mrs E

08 Aug 2013 19:36:17
Whilst celtic are years ahead of rangers I always see posts that ask if we need to build on a position of strength to prevent Sevco coming back at us. I'm happy about how shore footedly the board are running the club. And would hate to go back to the dark days before Fergus McCann and the celts for change saved the club. So today I had a look round the Internet for information on how it was achieved. It's very interesting and would urge people who don't know about that period to research it as its interesting reading. But what it does show us the possibility that if Sevco ever find a like minded Fergus McCann and a group with common purpose it is possible for them to get back on a shore footing again. But it will take years due to their banishing from Europe and premier league in order for then to be in a tenable position. So my point is we must be wary. I'm sure one eye will be on what they are doing but we need sensible investment in the team. I think anyone at Sevco are always going to be fuelled by greed. What are people's thoughts

My thoughts are as to why you are going on about a club that died and can't come back . If you're talking about The Rangers well they can't come back because they've never been in the top league before as they are a new club . I've also never seen many posts claiming we should build on a position of strength to prevent as you say " Sevco coming back " . If there is any they are usually from no name zombie fishermen claiming to be Celtic supporters . The only thing Celtic Fans are really concerned about right now is who will be our next opponents in the CL and who the next new signings will be . DH

DH, ignorance is bliss.
if you think we won't see a challenge from the other side of Glasgow in a few yrs then you are sorely misguided or more likely just bravado.
we should be a miles in front but I have a fear complacency will allow the margin to be far closer than it should be.
Before you start I'm at most games!
Stevo Dundee

@Stevo . I would never question how many games you attend as I know you're a genuine supporter . The point I was trying to make is that Rangers are no more . They weren't banished from the SPL as they were defunct . If their new tribute act lasts long enough to start a new beginning in the SPFL I think by the time they get there we should be miles ahead of them in every sense . I hope . LOL . DH

08 Aug 2013 19:25:34
Would any body take a chance on carlton cole I think west ham have let him go

Its a poacher type striker wee need mate a would rather see balde get game time and gain confidence than sign cole

GunnieBhoy

08 Aug 2013 19:08:26
Not a rumour, just a point on the side show on the other side of the country. Listening to phone ins and reading the papers, it really is becoming embarrassing the lengths at which some ex players and friends of McCoist are going too in order to defend this man as a manager. I wonder if the response would be the same if it was NL.

08 Aug 2013 18:35:48
Did anyone else see the STV interview with EBT Ogilvie with regards license and fit and proper person regulations regarding Paul Murray. The guy is a complete and utter snake and can wriggle the Deady Bears out of any difficult situation.

This guy should be removed from his role as he was involved with EBT's while at Mordor and then introduced them at Farts.

He is compromised in his position at the SFA. Does anyone know how to start a motion to get him removed?

It has been that way for a long time and I am disgusted and puzzled why no other member club has raised this.
There is a lot more goes on at they Tuesday night meetings than bingo!
The bottom line is there is one rule for Rangers/The Rangers/Sevco/Newco and another for the rest of us.

JJ

KendoBhoy I saw the interview with ogilvie and feel the same as yourself.
If you are a gambling man put money on murray being allowed to join the board at sevco.Whats the point in having a set of rules, when only in this corrupt organisation are they overlooked to accomodate a side who committed the biggest and most shameful act of fraud in scottish football. jimbhoy

08 Aug 2013 15:06:38
Hi Ed,

Do all our board members/shareholders sing off the same hymn sheet in relation to fiscal prudence. Any dissenting voices looking to splash some cash for a player who'll entertain. Any idea what Lennon's stance is, is he just accepting his transfer budget or is he trying to push the boat out a bit.

Thanks,

BadBhoy.

ps possible poll, would people stomach a ticket price/season book increase if it meant a better calibre of player at CP {Ed007's Note - NL won't be aware of any set transfer budget, it doesn't work like that. The scouting system identifies players, NL watches them as well and then gives the board a list of possible targets. It's then upto the the board and PL to try and come up with the financial package to sign the player, sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. There is a lot more finance involved in transfers than just the fee the selling club receives.}

Think I would prefer if the manager had players in mind rather than having to choose from a 'scouts catalogue' as for every Hooper, wanyama, Izzy and Ledley there is a Murphy, Bangura, Juarez and Lassad.
I feel sometimes, the right hand doesn't seem to know what the left is doing, when it comes to transfers?
We sell Wanyama, Hooper and now Wilson - before and during CL quals and the quality replacements are not in place to improve the team and help us through a tricky transition.
We have the cash and surely when the manager was told they were leaving he should have told them the list of ideal replacements?
I know we have time left in the window, but everyone knows we have cash and the prices will inflate.
I feel sorry for NL as he is doing the job with a hand tied behind his back and we have also had many injury problems for so early in a season.

Jungle Jim

08 Aug 2013 15:42:01
OOOOSH! Everyone starting to panic! Positive Neil and the board will have people in to cover all the areas we need by the end of the window! Who would you like to see?

@jockdj83

We better not be signing doyle it will be shocking if we don't spend 4 or 5 mill on a striker after all this money has been brought in I would not even have this guy as a squad player we should be pulling out al the stops 2 get the icelandic boy and another cb

08 Aug 2013 13:48:00
think James Forrest is Lennons . Didier Agathe. no final ball but could run at the Olympics

Agathe was a great celtic player.leonbhoy

As someone said on another post how can you have a final ball when there is no one in the middle too deliver too

Hoopybhoy

Forrest has a lot if pros and cons and is a player who divides opinion. He has a lot of professional admirers not just Lennon. Gordon Strachan Mark McGhee Neil McCann. A lot of celtics problem is when he is on a game the players don't seem to give him the ball. He has pace to burn and can go past players but often passing is an issue and his crossing can be poor. For a winger crossing is bread and butter. Though we don't have height for crossing to a lot of the time. But there are a lot of positives in terms of balance with him on right and Bo'derick on the left. I think he will improve Forrest. A lot is made of forests age at 21 recon he should be finished article. Give him another couple of seasons and I think he will get back to the player Rednapp wanted. There is also a comparison to mcgready. though PL wore a Dick Turpin mask when he sold him. One of his best games in hoops was benefica when GS clearly said you have pace pick up the ball knock it into the space get there with plenty of time as you are quicker and pick out your cross. Play with your head up. I think NL needs to say that to Forrest as the crossing is his major flaw as a winger. Dribbling past people can sometimes fail. I like the guy and he will do well this season font judge anyone by last night or the whole team other than lustig wouldn't pass muster.

@3 Who the fu*k is harry redknapp?, ., .kbarry

08 Aug 2013 12:46:24
We really need an experienced cb, would anyone consider William gallas? 35 I know, but free agent and has top level experience. Thoughts? Gandalf the green

Although a fantastic player, a 35 year old 5'11'' Centre Back is a luxury that we can't financially afford. He would be a squad player, on big big wages, and that doesn't work for celtic unfortunately. we need pace at the back (to compete in Europe) and height and physicality to avoid being rag-dolled in the SPL by teams lumping high balls into our box. Successive managers (Gordon, Mowbray) have failed to realise this, but Neil knows it, and so his signings will have those attributes. Gallas was a world class defender, but will go to some cash-rich (epl? PSG?) club who can afford to pay a squad man 40k+ per week. Jean-Pierre Laguerre

JPL hell not be joining Psg and I believe his times up in epl, ., .kbarry

08 Aug 2013 09:35:58
Anyone know if the Liverpool game is being shown live on TV Saturday?

It's on bt vision WILDBHOY

BT sport

samson

Celtic tv aswell

08 Aug 2013 08:57:24
How does the draw for the next round work? As we are champions and seeded do we play non seeded champions?

Yeah mate we are much better than all teams we could play. Legia Warsaw etc

08 Aug 2013 08:32:28
Ideal draw in the next round of the Champions League is probably Maribor. Shakhter Karagandy and Ludogorets Razgrad are too far east. Austria Wien and Legia Warsaw are closer to home but they will be tough teams to break down. Maribor are a litter further afield but I reckon we could take them over two legs.

Austria maybe, because we don't know much about them, but legia are spl team standard if not worse we've more talent in the development squad than their first team we should be anyone I personally think legia is one of the easiest teams, they only beat a welsh team by a few goals in the previous round and conceded, champion league here we come. Gandalf the green

08 Aug 2013 10:45:05
Really don't fancy shakter thr travelling would be brutal but their recent results show they could be dangerous as well so with me saying that then that's who well probably get in all honesty whoever we get I reckon itll be tough but hopefully with maybe a couple of additions and getting the other guys back from injury the hopefully we have enough to beat whoever we get from the hat

Agree mate maribor would be the one l'd hope for don't fancy atrip to poland or karagandy could be tough hostile atmosphere and ludogorets are some what unknown vienna are still finding their feet much as our selves but we know they'll be technically sound tough draw no matter who we face let's hope we've a face or two by then because on last nights evidence we need a little more quality if we're to progress
HH thommyj

Shaktar have spent a fortune on players and are backed by a Russian with money and by all accounts are a tall strong fit team who tend to score from set plays I think a trip to Bulgaria would be fine as Maribor are a stuffy difficult team that do not lose many goals albeit do not score many but showed against oldco that they could be difficult the Austrians would be tricky as they are known as cheats with diving and playacting along with constantly fouling and the poles could be 50/50 as well

Whoever we draw I am not full of confidence at present. We are missing Hooper and Wanyama big-time and Wilson leaving will add even more confusion to a shaky defence.
The clean sheets in the past 2 qualifiers were purely down to the calibre of our opponents lack of composed finishing.
Our crosses into the box need a sharp, quality predator or two.

JJ

I think some people are confusing Shakhter Karagandy with Shaktar Donetsk.

Donetsk play in Ukraine, are backed by a billionare and are full of very talented Brazilians.

Karagandy play in Kazakhstan (where Borat comes from) and are full of Kazakhstanian players (plus 1 or 2 other Eastern Europeans). If we can beat a team full of guys with handlebar moustaches with an unhealthy obsession towards Pamela Anderson, we don't deserve to be in the Champions League.

(Note : I may be stereotyping)

FuriousD

@6 People are definetely getting confused.

According to Transfer Markt they have 25 playersm 10 of which are foreign (all Eastern Europe excluding one Colombian) and their total squad value is £4.4m (€4.95m) with an average age of 26.

Their Exec Director and Chairman is Yerden Khalilin who is a Kazhakstani politician as far as I'm aware and their manager hasn't held any big profile jobs, mostly Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.

@6 - your tag has to be in the top 5 on this site. Furious D was a champ!

Melb Bhoy

07 Aug 2013 23:19:44
ed, I know we have been linked with Finbogasson now for quite a while. In your opinion how likely is this deal and when? Is the player himself open to the move? {Ed007's Note - CFC know what is required if they want the player. It is as much likely to happen as it is not to happen.}

07 Aug 2013 21:57:23
Ed any idea of the fee we are getting for Wilson and also am I right in saying we got him for free? {Ed007's Note - It is round the £2.5m mark according to everyone and yes we brought him in as a Bosman signing. We tried to buy him in the January but Notts Forest refused and froze him out for the second half of the season because he had signed a pre-contract with us.}

That means we made more on him than we did on hooper after we pay Scunthorpe sell on percentage another good bit of buisness from us not that I'm happy to see the big man go, all the best kelvin, family comes b4 work or money