07 Oct 2015 07:40:49
Just a post to all the people who would think I was daft for keeping RD in the job and giving him another crack at CL. More of a social experiment than a survey:
1) Who would you like to see as head coach?
2) Why?
3) How long would you give them to reach what targets? (Answer that one carefully by the way unless you want your pants pulled down).
4) Would you be open to the idea of RD with a more back room role like he was initially sounded?
07 Oct 2015 11:21:19
I like Ronny and really hope he succeeds. I think for a young manager to do well, especially initially when everything is a little foreign he really needs proper support. The very least he deserves is things to be made clear, so there is no comeback if things go wrong. Lawwell should have made it clear long ago what John Park's role is, - whether he/the manager ultimately signs the players. It's good PR and helps stop rumours/mischief. It's all schoolboy stuff with Celtic, and had been for the 30 years I've been going to the games. It's almost as though the board like the ambiguity because it covers them. Deila was never going to refuse the job, and because of his pedigree he doesn't have loads to back up his arguments, and the board knew all this. I want him to get until the end of the season, see how we do in the Europa League, and see how things are with the youths etc. The setup needed gutted I think, we need someone with stature to replace Stevie Frail. Ronny has to realise though it's a ruthless world, and really go to town if he feels anyone is taking the piss, because at the end of the day he'll get the same thanks. Down the line if it doesn't work, or if it does and Ronny was to move on, I would like someone who will also prioritise the youth, and build the club. I think Alex Neil and Frankie McAvoy could end up at Celtic, I wouldn't be surprised if the keep doing well in England and are fancied by other clubs, but they certainly know about the club/the size of the club, and also family reasons could come into it. I also think Chris Coleman has done a great job with Wales, and his assistant was involved with the development of the young Welsh players.
07 Oct 2015 12:25:03
Jim Tim, Unless the job became available, it's pointless giving a name as I wouldn't have a clue who would be interested in the job. I could throw names about, but we would have no chance of getting them, so I would wait to see who we realistically could get.
I would want to have somebody in charge who would command respect both in the boardroom and in the dressing room, I feel that Ronny hasn't the presence about him to fight his corner with the board, from the outside he appears to just accept whatever players he's given, I would like a manager who would stand his ground and demand better. This would give him a greater authority with the players, and they would hopefully work a lot harder.
I don't see why we couldn't be improved quite quickly if we signed players with a bit more quality, I know I may not be popular for saying it, but look at Sevco, they changed managers in the summer and it has made a big difference to their results in no time, we are in a far stronger position than them, we already have the best squad in Scotland, so it shouldn't take too long to improve us a bit.
I wouldn't mind Ronny having a coaching role within the club, from what I've seen of him that would probably be his best role at the club.
I think it's important though that any manager is able to appoint their own backroom staff, in my opinion it's better that they have people alongside them that they know and trust, rather than have somebody given to them, who they may not get on with, and who might have a totally different view on tactics and style of play.
07 Oct 2015 13:29:31
I think we have the right man for the job don't always agree with some of his team selections at times but then I am not the boss but as a whole I think he is the man for us just needs more backing from the board
07 Oct 2015 13:59:16
Fair responses so far I guess.
Delphic, we as fans need more transparency from the club.
Gerry, I hear what you're saying fella. I hope too that in time RD earns the respect to stake claim to what goes on.
Tony, on the same page bud.
It's just amongst all the calls for RD to be sacked I don't see any sensible ideas with any real support of what those posters think we should do.
07 Oct 2015 17:05:22
Jim the ONLY way our manager is going to get the respect is if he qualifies for the CL. That's the be all and end all now.
If he had done it last year and this year that would a been close to 40m in the bank. Now I not stupid enough to think he would a got all that to spend but he would a certainly got better quality of players, so its all down to him mate. If he wants better he has to do better.
On the Europe point we were In the Europa league then qualified for last 16. That's u huge step for our club in 1 season. Next season we qualified for CL, albeit wasn't a great time for us we got there. We all wish we were there now banking money so we can get better players in the future that's what it does for us as we can't win it.
I fail to see how being back in Europa league is an improvement mate.
07 Oct 2015 17:29:21
Exactly JimTim - as it is the fans really don't know that much, well about anything, and I don't think it's ever been any different. Dermot Desmond was called Keyser Soze 20 years ago because nobody seemed to know too much about him, maybe that's what we should call John Park because nobody seems to know what he actually does behind closed doors. If the fans knew how much influence he had, especially on transfers then it would be fairer all round. Looking back, I think we should have got a director of football, someone with real pedigree, and appointed Ronny as head coach. He loves being on the training pitch, reading between the lines Park and Lawwell take care of everything else, contracts /signing of players/appointing youth coaches/infrastructure etc etc - neither has any experience(out with Celtic) of doing this though. Also the fact they don't tell you they are doing all these things makes it worse because we don't know who is accountable. It should all be transparent, not be like some clandestine operation. The fans are treated with pure contempt.
07 Oct 2015 17:53:55
Jimtim what's the point no matter who anyone names they won't tick all the boxes as no matter what they have done before managing Celtic is a unique job because of the situation we find ourselves in being the biggest fish by far in a very small pond , I struggle to think of any other club that comes with our good or bad points , for the record and I know some won't like it but I would love to see David moyes in the job and I would give him as long as it takes as long as we were seen to be progressing season after season and not going backwards like I believe we are under Ronnie . Yes I know he failed at man u but taking over from fergie was always going to be a poisoned chalice, he was excellent at Everton and Preston and has great contacts, is very experienced and a great eye for a lower league player who we can move on for big money . He would also have learned from his experience at man u and would not take any shit from peter or park and is stubborn enough to make sure no one would interfere with his team or coaches in my opinion. Yes he may seem out of reach but a more progressive board could make it happen.
07 Oct 2015 18:41:28
Football boards are like Turrkeys they won't vote for Christmas . No board is going to appoint someone who right from the outset is going public about the board not backing them . The only way we can have. Successful club is when all arms of the club are working together . We may not know John Park's role at Celtic and right or wrong that's the way the Celtic board wants it .
I am not so sure we have gone backwards . In our two Europa League matches we played and maybe out played two teams that have first team squads valued at times higher than Celtic
Deila is trying to completely revamp the football structure at Celtic , I am sure when. He outlined his plans for Celtic he would have been given a time limit in his quest to bring Celtic further . I think that would have been longer than a season and a couple of months
07 Oct 2015 19:14:31
Old bhoy you and particularly the Celtic board would do well to remember the old adage" a football club is nothing without fans " in Celtic's case this may be even more pertinent as our main revenue stream is our fans , we have ousted boards before and will do again if necessary, mark my words.
07 Oct 2015 20:14:34
Rayman, i'm not saying being in the EL compared to CL is an improvement. Of course not. I think we are looking better in it under RD though. And looked closer to qualifying for CL. I know that sounds a bit scraping the barrel but my point in another thread was that under NL we were starting to go backwards due to insignificant reinvestment. Now I think we're on the way up. I just think of the Inter tie last year, the ICT semi, Malmo, even Maribor - it is just individual errors that have kicked us on the nuts at key times. I'll gladly give RD one more crack. And aye you're right, it's partially up to him to create his own budget. This summer though we made/saved £12-13m. I honestly don't think that figure would have changed even if we had of beaten Malmo.
Fab, the point is that I just want to hear from those wanting RD out who should get the job. I like Moyes. I'd much rather see RD stay in charge though. I really believe a bit more patience is required from sections of the support. Football is like politics, you can't please the population. I remember all the people that wanted WGS out from the start, something which baffled me then too.
Delphic, my interpretation of our setup is pretty much as you describe. I just want total clarification of who has signed/appointed who. I'd also like to know why we are consistently taking money and quality out the side without the reinvestment but that may be a step too far. A more seasoned director of football isn't a bad shout at all. Wim Jansen lol? Has overseen some good youth signings / development in that role at Feyenoord. Also acts as assistant coach at the moment too.
Oldbhoy/chris02, never thought i'd be fighting a corner with you partner ;)
07 Oct 2015 21:17:24
Fab 1 in my memory we have only ousted one board before and that was with the help of the great Fergus Mc Cann . Mc Cann really saved our club , and the thanks he got was a disgraceful round of abuse from so called Celtic fans from all over the stadium . Every club can have days that they would rather forget and the day of unfurling the SPL flag and the treatment of McCann was that aweful day in my memory .
Fab 1 thanks to the structure that F McCann set up for the ownership it will be very difficult to have a successful fan revolt again . I don't see any major movement or demand for removing the board . Let me know Fab 1 when you come across it .
However I still believe all arms of the club which of course includes the fans are the best way forward . The very small number of fans that are always looking for an opportunity to ridicule on forums , or to hurl abuse at individual players during matches are in a very small minority and are not helpful.
07 Oct 2015 21:22:25
Jim, every team in he world can say that its individual errors that's cost us, because that's what happens in football.
Every team out there has done well at some point and had an Ambrose moment.
The good managers avoid them more by not picking them.
07 Oct 2015 22:25:02
Old bhoy what are you Havering about , I suggest you stay away from sites where you claim that Celtic fans are waiting with baited breath to ridicule there own club , I doubt they are really Celtic fans . And if you think boards can't be brought to their knees and private investors can't be encouraged to sell their shares by the right kind of pressure and protests then you are living in a cocoon ( the team across the City made the mistake of protesting at the front door after emptying there pockets at the back door for worthless shares and season tickets, we would not be that stupid) I am not suggesting we are any where near that situation but if you don't hear the disquiet that is growing steadily with every poor performance, cup exit or bad decision by the board or unsuccessful transfer window that passes us bye , then I can only assume you are sitting on the cushion seats near peter and Desmond. You can even see it in the tone of the majority of posts on here in the last few years , it starts as a general malaise but will build over time if left unchecked, our fans are too passionate about the club for it not too .
07 Oct 2015 23:14:42
I guarantee you we'll see Boyata and Simunovic played and hopefully that puts Ambrose out the frame again.
07 Oct 2015 23:45:07
I think your right there Jim, the problem is Boyata looks like the next Ambrose.
08 Oct 2015 00:24:08
Fab1 two things I think ( I could very well be wrong ) that the majority of the harshest critics on forums don't attend many Celtic games . Of course I hear the disquiet at from the fans regularly mainly at home games . The disquiet is in my opinion mostly directed at individual players . It is not helpful , but can on some occasions be understood .
You must also think it isn't directed at the board because you say that if I don't hear it I must be sitting near Peter . Not too many of us sit close to D D as he doesn't attend too often . I fully agree with you we are far far away from the uprising to remove the board . I think there has been no banners looking to get rid of the board because of team performances .
I just think that the mood of the majority of fans are with the board , manager and players and so I think all fans should join with the majority to encourage better individual performances . It can't be easy playing for Celtic and if you make a simple miss pass the groans and shouts go round the stadium .
Of course human nature when Efe made his howler last week it's easy to understand how the fans dealt with it .
08 Oct 2015 04:38:06
old bhoy why do you ass-u-me that if someone on here is critical they don't attend games? What do you base this on? Also I say you must sit near peter and Desmond ( when he does attend ) because they also seem to be unable or unwilling to hear the concerns voiced by a large percentage of the Celtic fans . Also it seems peter has been teaching you some of his smoke and mirrors tricks like continued reference to Ambrose despite the fact I have not mentioned him in any of my posts ( or any player for that matter ) .
08 Oct 2015 09:06:35
Can't argue there Rayman. He's looked 'whoopsy' on more han a few occasions. Still early days though so willing to give him and Simunovic chance to build a partnership. Still think we're crying out for an experienced, no nonsense, brute of a centre half.
08 Oct 2015 15:53:42
Towards the end of last season I saw some real progress in the team and the way we were playing; however, the loss of Denayer and VVD has had the expected effect on our defensive play and if the fans expected it - so too should the manager and board and had some real quality lined up asap and not just dealing in loan signings and last-gasp stop gaps.
The fluidity and confidence has been inconsistent in the players with only Griffiths and maybe Lustig at 100%.
We could and should have done better in the summer window both in and out of the club, but we should have enough about us for domestic challenges.
I still feel we need a goalkeeper, stopper, left back, consistent winger and quality striker to make CL progress.
08 Oct 2015 22:56:30
Fab 1 I am sorry for bringing up something in my post that you hadn't mentioned .
I spoke about forums in general and I said I wasn't sure .
Jungle Jim I have to say I am worried about Lustig this season . He doesn't seem to be getting to the bye- line this anyway as often as other season .
Forrest and Izzy /Tierney get their often but I think opponents have set up to defend that . Janko gets to the bye- line and creates openings , but defensively he isn't as good as Lustig .