Celtic Banter Archive October 07 2014

 

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07 Oct 2014 21:27:45
So what do we make of R Keane's declaring today that the ASST! was being forced on him?

Clearly it was RD, NL has already said he was to be HIS no.2, so why did PL tell us that RD was the first choice

A just wonder how many turned us down before RD went from 2 to 1?

And why tell us that he WAS the only one asked the truth always outs when MON took it he was quoted as being the 3rd or 4th choice when quizzed upon that he said he could not care less if he was the 99th choice he was now the Celtic manager and know one could take it away from him!

A just wish they would STOP giving us the "mushroom diet" because they just end up looking stupid and even deceitful!

ATVB JB7

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To be fair PL is not going to say RD was his 4th 5th 6th choice is he would not look good for Celtic PL or RD. At the end of the day he IS the manager and I wish all would get behind him at least until its close not to win the league until then please all back him not sack him

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There must be a point of no return and it should be sooner, rather than later.
If we continue to be unable to win 2-3 games in a row or lose the league cup quarter final against the Jags then he has to go.
The supporters have been patient since the season started in July and have witnessed setback after setback and some embarrassing performances and results to boot.
Incidentally, I also think Collins has to take a lot of the blame for the lack of team spirit and preparation.
We are a shambles and are showing no sign of improvement and at some point you have to say 'Enough!'.

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I think it's wrong to blame collins when has the assistant ever taken the blame for poor performances? It's only because of his past history this is being mentioned did mjallby get any stick for Lennons poor performances no. It's ronny and the boards fault for this mess and if ronny doesn't want collins then he should grow a pair and tell everyone he doesn't want collins or players someone else is picking.

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08 Oct 2014 16:30:08
If a new manager comes in he will bring his own team, Collins will be gone anyway.

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07 Oct 2014 20:29:49
I am not stressed at this season's performance so far, you would be a clown to suggest we will not win the league this year too.
RD has been put in a no win situation by being NL replacement, I feel we are far too harsh comparing the two as NL and RD football philosophies are completely different.
Yes, NL was a huge success at the club, being a player, coach, youth team manager, assistant and then manager would buy you this affection from our support.
We need to embrace RD's style and believe in him. We have gotten of to a poor start, make no mistakes about this, but come January I bet we are way ahead in the league and playing for the domestic treble (I will eat my words if we are not) but we have been so used to dominating our opponents, the sands of time are ticking for RD. If he wins nothing this season and as I believe we will sell VDV in the Jan window, he will be bang in trouble.
Any club/business going through a transitional period should be willing to take a few bruises to get to where they want to be. Maybe some of the players in the dressing room need to move on from parkhead as they are not adapting to well so far. Again give the club a season and see who shines. Izzy is a prime example of a guy who was a journeyman for NL but now has the LB LM and ALM roles to himself! even SPL Stokes has dropped a stone and those two look formidable on the left side.

Anyway A buckfast fuelled rant over, excuse the spelling lolo

HH ShottsBhoy

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Formidable may be overstating it, but Emilio has been one of the more consistent attacking options for us over the years. Not sure I have faith in Stokes in that role, but there has been some promise. I like Emilio w/ Wakaso when they've aligned too.

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Sorry shots but even if stokes has dropped a stone in weight (and it doesn't look like it) he has still only played one decent game all season. And if we are going to ship out the ones who are not adapting to Ronny's style then we will be left with 1-0-0-0 formation lol. Markiebhoy.

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We probably need to change our playing personnel, but I also thing Deila needs to tweet our formation . He may claim his formation is correct. I am in no position to argue, but I would always maintain that he should switch around a little so that opposing managers could be surprised a little .

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{Ed007's Note - I think we've had enough of managers being on Twitter without Deila tweeting about formations (punch)
That'll be the long-term plan but he has to get the players comfortable playing the basic system first, once he's done that he will TWEAK it to fit the match but the system will be the same, no matter what competition we're playing in or who the opposition are. Successful teams in Europe don't change their system, that's why teams like Basel are where they are, that's why we struggle in the CL/EL qualifiers against teams we can financially blow out the water, in the long term if you're spending more on player fees and wages and not progressing you have to look at what else is going wrong. Those teams are well organised and the players are all comfortable playing in the system, Scottish teams always drastically change their system and tactics when it comes to any European level and the players need to change too much of what they are doing week in and week out in the domestic game for it to be effective.}

My worry is not about what happens when we play the top European sides, but that the Managers of Motherwell and Hamilton, can spend a week planning how to counteract our plan A .
Unfortunately it appears they have worked this out and Deila has no plan A +, to rescue us .
I may be wrong but I think the Managers of the top European teams tinkered a wee bit with their system before deciding what was best and getting the team to perfect it.

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{Ed007's Note - Managers at top European clubs like Barca and Ajax who have played using the same basic system for years or managers like Wenger, van Gaal, Mourinho even Martin O'Neill who put their own systems in place after years of perfecting it? I remember CFC's team being out out the Scottish Cup by Clyde under Strachan and ICT under MON as well as last season against Morton in the League Cup under NL, where was NL's PLan B when we lost the LC Final to Kilmarnock?
So Deila's hardly the first manager we've had who has lost to inferior teams, at home and in Europe, and not just in the first few months of their tenure and I'd rather drop a few points in this league than lose a cup match, wouldn't you?
Apart from the CL qualifiers what matches have we played that are THAT important in the bigger picture with a manager only weeks into the job?
We've notched up an away point and a home win in the EL (some CFC manager's couldn't have bought an away point in Europe if they had an EBT), in the League Cup we've had a decisive 3-0 win over a team that could potentially go 9 points clear in their league and who have beaten the supposed second biggest club in Scotland, whose debut in the top league we are meant to be running scared of.
If we had reached the CL groups RD would be getting cut a lot more slack by fans, RD has to shoulder some of the blame but so does PL and the board, but other managers were given millions to spend and still failed to reach the CL groups, what's the difference now?
Supporters have been screaming for someone to improve the footballing style for a couple of years now, remember the board went and asked WGS to come back and mentor NL behind his back and When Alan Thompson left we wanted someone like Stevie Clarke to come in, would they have been given time to see what impact they were having? If Strachan was mentoring NL would people have wanted both of them sacked last season after losing to Morton in the LC?
Remember we wouldn't have been in the EL in 20011 if the Sion owner wasn't a maniac, don't you think that in the longer term of that team the EL campaign was a valuable learning curve, why can't it do the same for us now? If you think we'd have beat Barca without having that experience of the EL behind us you're kidding yourself, I said at the time that was a CL quality EL group we were in and the expereince would serve us well in the long run.
People are basically girning about a couple of poor results in the league, and before people start on about the way we're playing, we've ALL been doing that for a few years now, at least Deila is trying to change that. Anybody who moans about RD changing player's diets etc clearly doesn't understand the subject, sometimes it's better to just haud yer wheesht.}

You are not far wrong with much that you say, I don't think anyone has stuck so religiously to exactly the same week in week out .
The important thing about his diet change is that he made it so publicly . Giving opponents opportunities to sledge our players during matches and their managers a topic to gee them up.
I agree 100% with him on his diet changes but he should have done it privately .

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{Ed007's Note - He probably didn't expect the reaction he got for saying it, he was highlighting how archaic and behind the times some of our systems were.}

07 Oct 2014 20:16:26
Thought with all the banter about dieting &c that this remark, from Keano's second (!) autobiography, would titilate. Its from the Guardian today - and it may be they selected it because of the RD discussion. Still:

"My first game [for Celtic] was Clyde, away, in the third round of the Scottish Cup. We were beaten 2-1. It was a nightmare. I wasn't happy with my own game. I did OK, but OK wasn't good enough. After the game - the disappointment. As I was taking my jersey off, I noticed the Nike tag was still on it. When I got on the bus John Hartson, a really good guy, was already sitting there and he was eating a packet of crisps - with a fizzy drink. I said to myself: 'Welcome to Hell.'"

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A) RK is a pr!ck. Has never shown levels of respect or gratitude to clubs, coaches, managers, investors, colleagues, fellow pros - team mates or opponents. I bet his books are just egotistical criticisms of other people rather than anything else.

b) Why our club don't seem to trust managers with transfers or even to pick their own assistants is beyond me.

c) I'd rather have an overweight John Hartson than a "fit" Stokes or Griffiths, albeit the game has changed a bit.

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07 Oct 2014 20:07:38
I would imagine Lenny has found his Shangri la. A weak league and an endless transfer kitty to dip into. No real competition or aspirations. He could still have that with his bHoyhood hero's but he jumped before he was pushed I'd guess.
Good luck to him and may he forever be successful. Lenny - a true Celt.

HH ShottsBhoy

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07 Oct 2014 11:09:19
ED, thought I would ask. If we were to replace Ronny with Malky McKay, would you or anyone have a problem with that considering the bad press and accusations that denied him the Crystal Palace job. Hail Hail

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I would not have a problem with Malky McKay but I still think RD can turn this around and I still think he WILL become a good manager for us if given the time and backing from the board and fans yes he has made mistakes who haven't but he did not know the team well enough and I agree with some on here that some of the players we have just now don't want to learn the RD way so he has to have time to ship them out and bring in fresh

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Ronny was brought in mainly because he won't spend much money.
If players don't like his methods, it is not easy to ship them out, especially if they are under contract, even if they did manage to sell them, the players he would be allowed to bring in would be of a lower standard. The players he's brought in so far haven't exactly set the heather alight.
it'll probably end up with Ronny going as it's easier to sack 1 manager rather than 5 or 6 players.

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Aye, let's get Malky Mackay in.

He can exchange racist, sexist and homophobic comments wi Griffiths + Tonev?

Then they can pass it off as just "friendly banter", eh?!

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07 Oct 2014 18:07:26
Gerryc you have hit the nail on the head, however there is a problem ahead. We know the board won't spend, and I can understand that as we don't have a lot of money and not a lot coming in unless we sell players but if we continue to fail to qualify for CL we will have even less money.
We have to roll the dice. RD has sold the dream to the board about building a CL side from average players. Many of them don't want to change their ways. Others are not up for the fight, (see Scott Browns comments) so we can sack him, and I think it will come to that but the future is not bright. A Malky McKay or anyone else needs players. An issue I have with RD is that the players he has brought in are no improvement (apart from Denyer and Gudetti). Mubarak may be ok. That apart none are showing much promise. So where does a new manager go? First of all he needs to change the style and formation so we get back to wining. Play 2 up front would be a start. That is not so difficult but RD makes it look difficult. Then we get a shot at CL but without players any manager is going to struggle but maybe if RD keeps dropping further behind, the Board may give a new manager some cash as they have tried the alternative and it's not worked in fact it has set us back. Issue will be however they will sell VVD and anyone else who produces an acceptable return, so as I said, hard times ahead no matter who takes over. We actually need RD to be able to do this. I just unfortunately can't see him doing it.

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TamTimTic if that scenario came true, I think it would be hypocritical of anyone to have a problem with MacKay, after bad press of Lee griffiths

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07 Oct 2014 12:30:26
Ed 001 your much more reasonable thanks that 007 it must be that Dubai sunshine oor Ed must just be getting kranky over aw the grief he is getting over RD lol atvb jb7

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{Ed001's Note - Ed007 is just getting old. Old people get kranky because they are fed up with having to get up 20 times a night to use the toilet and not sleeping properly. At his age, even an adult nappy needs changing a couple of times a night bless him.}

07 Oct 2014 12:29:16
Reading ED001's comments about certain players not giving 100% and resisting Delia's training methods, I think most Celtic fans agree with this, I posted something similar as did others.
I am not Delia's biggest fan, but I also agree with 001 that the board must now either back Ronnie and ship out the slackers or sack Delia, either way I think all Celtic fans want the troublemakers shipped out ASAP anyway.
PS ED001 here is a poll suggestion
Should Celtic's board now act to rid the club of the troublemakers?

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{Ed001's Note - cheers Tim, have added that to the list, I will use that tomorrow. Can you check it says your name by it? We have added a function to it that should say the name of the person who suggested it on the voting page, but this will be the first test of it. In case I forget to look, could you check that for me when you vote please mate?}

07 Oct 2014 18:13:56
Good post Tim. There is no doubt that you will get 95% saying they should be shipped out. Only problem is we would lose 50% of squad. There are big problems in our club right now and yes we should ship them but is RD upto the task anyway?

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07 Oct 2014 11:39:45
I think time has clouded some peoples judgement on how good we played under Lennon?

We still struggled home and away, sometimes unbearable to watch just like we are under Deila.

The problems are clear to see we need someone with a creative spark, a bit of flair and a desire to win. We have not had this for a long time, maybe since wee naka left.

We lack ideas going forward, what's the point in running round for ninety minutes when there is no substance behind it. We want footballers not overpaid marathon runners.

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Not sure if its clouded my judgement but I am trying to give Ronny the benefit of the doubt.

Its just everything and not just the stats which I think are too early - its the performances and everything about them, Ronny’s interviews where he states the Hamilton game is progress, his body language and that of the players.

I just mind when Neil Lennon took over it was a caretaker role so we weren’t really judging him until he was permanent and by that time he had brought back the 'thunder', which is true and no point making up stories otherwise. He did have the fans backing.

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07 Oct 2014 13:25:29
Iv said many times I back ronny 100% but what is annoying me is what is it john collins and john kennedy are meant to doing? they just sit in dugout the full game. Collins especially is meant to be a number 2 big johan, john robertson, garry pendrey all number 2s yet they were out shouting, screaming and barking orders at players john collins does nothing but high 5 deila if we score. Does collins not care? is he wanting the managers job himself? It's just worrying how a number 2 can just sit there while the manager takes every bit of blame granted the buck stops with him but imo collins is sitting picking up a free wage for doing basically nothing during a game and it p1sses me off

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I could not have said that better Gunnie agree with you %100

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07 Oct 2014 06:19:27
Roy Kean is saying he turned down Celtic as they already had his assistant picked (thought to be Ronny), there was no give or take in any contract discussions (take it or leave it), and to many little stipulations written into the contract. I imagine Ronny was happy to sign with all these restrictions so I doubt he would ever knock on PLs door asking for transfer funds. Although I'm not sure if I would want him spending any small kitty we would have anyway, I don't think I would trust him with it. The only money he has spent has been on a striker who only makes the bench in a team that can't score! Markiebhoy

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The leaks re Keane's Second half seems full of contradictions, so I would be loathe to lay much faith or belief in anything Keane has said .

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I might be wrong on this but has RD not said in that past he did not see the striker before we got him?

pn saying striker because I can't spell his name lol

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