Celtic Banter Archive November 07 2013

07 Nov 2013 23:40:49
Are Ajax fans the same way with all other opponents in the CL? Have they behaved at away and home games against AC Milan and Barcelona the same way they behaved with us? If not, Why target Celtic fans? Was it organised and orchestrated and specific to Celtic?
Their banner shown on 6pm news tonight clearly stated "Fen--- Bas-----". Do Ajax fans have a banner for the Italians and Spanish that says "Roman Catholic Bas-----"?
There would be global outrage if it was anti black people, anti Semitic, anti Muslim, anti Chinese, anti Buddhist, etc. But anti Roman Catholic appears to be ok for UEFA and the Dutch Authorities for some reason.

07 Nov 2013 19:12:05
Hi ed seems Celtic fans have been badly treated in Amsterdam. videos now appearing any chance you could get something set up where people can put them on here collectively.the club would maybe find useful too.I've watched that couple on Celtic journal and looks like random police brutality .cheers and keep the faith {Ed007's Note - The videos are there for all to see on Youtube and eslewhere.}

07 Nov 2013 17:56:16
The game was bad last night that is for sure, we gave them to much time in the mid with gaping holes allowing them too much time. We know how they play so don't get how no one would close them down or mark a man that's there for a close pass. Sammi and commons should have came off as when sammi dosent run and throws his hands up and dosent try to win the ball you know he is not at his best and he kept trying to beat 3 players when a pass would have set us up in open space. What I hated seeing was we were complaining too much to the ref in hope he will call something and when the players are blaming each other for a mistake or why a guy got by them when the play is continuing instead of keep playing and stopping the guy really pisses me off. Sammi commons and izzy should of came off cause kayal was a work horse giving his all and stokes not the best but doing more then sammi. Izzy taken off just to get more attackers on, hate to see nl take off the people working instead of those who just might do something ala sammi. I know he is important but we all know when he is not into it and should come off. Worst performance but hope this is a wake up call and we are well up to it against milan for cl maybe be far out of reach now but would like to be in Europa league and have a good run in that even though it's not the best at least we will still be making noise. And Ajax with thier fans should not be in this if they cannot behave, truly shocking people to do what they did to peacefully supporters, bullets pick axes masked man going after women and children is disgusting and hope uefa punishes them hard giving all that. If not at least for what they did in paradise

The myth that is samaras.
Why is he captain, inspirational? Don't make me laugh.
I recall games where he was booed and berated yet now down to a small number of decent performances he's a mainstay, how our quality has dropped and more to the point expectancy levels.
Anyone, tell me 10 good games he's had off top of your head.
Commons - unfit. Poor decision by manager.
Stokes, spent more time out of position. He's CF with 2 wingers but no service and forced out.
Izzy, no support from samaras
Stevo dundee

Lennon has too many, he watches through rose tinted glasses:-
Samaras, as you have mentioned.
Mulgrew, he insists on playing in midfield ahead of Ledley (a midfielder) - plus Mulgrew was player of the year as a defender and form has slipped.
Izzy makes more mistakes and causes more goals than any defender and has struggled to consistently get back to his best since that injury.
Forrest, burst onto the scene 2011 and went past guys for fun with an eye for goal and looked exciting.
But too much pressure on his first season and multiple injuries have really hampered his progress.

Forrest - don't get me started. That boy is so overrated its unbelievable. Its Lennon's blind spot for sure.
4 years in 1st team and going backwards. Fed up hearing about potential, young guy etc.
Its a fallacy, 22 yrs old is not young anymore in footballing terms. Potential, that's what you have at Dundee Utd with a raft of 16/17 yr olds breaking through and staying in 1st team.
Stevo Dundee

07 Nov 2013 17:39:38
Just got back from the dam(med), read some bull on here, time for lenny to go etc way over the top, what lenny has instilled is that the days of getting pumped away from home are over. don't some of you people realise the reason we are gutted is that for the past couple of seasons we've punched above our weight(cl). Yes we still need a couple of players, but its the boards heads we are calling for. As for the way we were treated last night,, utter disgrace what they hooligans(police) tried to do was get a reaction so we would retaliate. We stood singing our songs that's all, we were attacked by the utter that they are, only upside was I managed to source a right good bitta T/ball,, jobs a good un

, ., .kbarry

07 Nov 2013 12:23:39
Reading all the posts from last night and so much doom and gloom. Yes we played poor but everybody is discounting a good Ajax team who are in CL most seasons so have more experience than us.
Why were we so poor? One reason is we had about 4/5 players returning or still carrying injuries. Then factor in Balde, Pukki and Boerighter still finding their feet with Celtic. We were unprepared for this tie.
Sammi is well Sammi, if his head is right great, if not, then we get a display like last night's. Forrest also blows hot and cold and his final ball is mostly poor, he never seems to look up to see where ball should be played. But is we can see this in these 2 players then surely Lennon must also and do something about it.
So let us be positive, Milan at home is winnable, IF we turn on a display like we did against Barca last season. Plus point is 3 weeks or so to get more players match fit and get the confidence back.
So Celtic let us give everything for 2nd spot and only settle for 3rd if we have to. hail hail Timalloy

The whole thing is kinda out of our hands after last night. Europe must be forgotten for the moment though and some very harsh beatings must be given domestically.We need to start upping the tempo of games and passing through teams instead of continually pushing the ball wide. Oh, and for fecks sake will someone organise some shooting practice at Lennoxtown!

I don't think this was a good Ajax team, pretty average if you ask me. As for Boerichter, don't get me started. 3.5 million down the drain has not showed anything to convince me that he will do anything other than warm the treatment table.

07 Nov 2013 15:29:47
spot on gj. I was at the dundee united game and everytime a nice angle opened up 20 yards out what do they do? they pass it out the feckin wings. there 1 nil down and won't shoot? something is badly wrong there. woeful last night apart from lustig efe vvd izzy. ff and kayal wernt bad but please recall tony watt. he is what we need.

team for away to ross county

forster

lustig efe vvd izzy

brown kayal ledley

rogic boerrigter

balde

this team has pace and strength and its something different. its lads who try there best every game and they deserve a chance

Just looking at this team you have posted. Think the back 4 picks itself. But I don't no why you would include Rogic. People shout about him but he is another who has shown nothing and see my previous post regarding Boerrigter!

07 Nov 2013 21:49:14
exactly mate. they are hungry for it. no better way to put it. they are the ones that need to be played from the start show what they can do. rogic would be a cracking player if he got on the pitch

07 Nov 2013 05:31:20
Tbh I think lenny is a bit tactically naive at times in europe people on here may disagree but that's theyr own oppinion. Everyone could see sammy was having an absolute shocker and commons just wasn't fit. Personally I would have took a chance and put charlie at lb because he's never a cm then pushed izzy up 1 at lm brought on ledley at cm with kayal and put balde up top with stokes early in the 2nd half taking off sammy and commons for ledley and balde. They 2 on the wings would have gave us great width considering ajax had really no wingers playing until late on and with the service from izzy and forrest into the box we would have had big balde at least giving us half a chance of winning something instead of just stokes who was starved of any real service the full game. You look at all the top managers in europe they don't hang about making tactical changes and subs if its not working or players aren't upto it on the night and that's where my point of lenny being a bit naive comes from because he wates til we r 1 down with like 13-10 mins left then makes changes giving subs no real time 2 make any impact and he let's sammy play the full game which was baffling. The likes of mourinho and auld red nose when at man u (canny stand either of em) would have hauled sammy and commons off at half time or 10/15 mins into the 2nd half. Really feel ajax wer ther for the taking they wern't a great ajax side compared 2 theyr sides in the past. As I said people may disagree with what av said but that's your oppinions we all have em.

GunnieBhoy

I agree and I have said for a long time that his management team is severely lacking in tactical advice and experience as often the three of them sit like the three wise monkeys - on prozak.
Samaras should not have played the full game as he was unbelievably poor and to wait until 80 mins to replace Commons was ridiculous as he was clearly toiling after 45.
The ledley - Mulgrew - Izzy point is also valid and I have seen a few similar posts. The urgency we showed after they scored should have been there from the KO but too many of the players either bottled it or just never turned up? Unacceptable!

JJ

To be fair a lot of what you say rings true for me, but a lot I can't go with.If Lenny had started Balde it would have been a nightmare for us and the boy himself.Between the lack of service and Balde's touch needing work, allied to how comfortable the Ajax defenders were on the ball, he would have been struggling badly I feel.

Where I do agree is on the substitutions.The first half Commons, Sammi and Forrest were anonymous, not quiet, totally out the loop game wise.Nothing was sticking to them, Stokes was not much help either, and we coughed possession up every time we had any.I would have had Sammi off at half time for Derk. Sammi continually ran into dead ends and lost the ball, a few times in really bad areas for us, Derk might have given a more direct threat with some pace.Sadly the fact is he could not have been worse than Sammi who was very poor.

Commons and Forrest would have had 10-15 minutes to see how it was working, if it did not look good I would have had them off as well.Last night proved we are well short of competing seriously in European competition.If the truth be told we have not hit any great heights domestically either. Morton for fecks sake.

GJ I wouldn't have started balde either i'm saying early in the 2nd half or even half time I would have brought him on beause stokes was getting no joy up top by himself and forster was going long nearly everytime he had the ball and was lookin for sammy everytime who just wasn't up for it last night for some reason so balde wuld have gave us something different

GunnieBhoy

Op, this patter about teams being there for the taking has to stop.Why have celtic, celtic fans and the scottish media got it into there heads that celtic should be beating these teams.In glasgow with celtic and rangers we expect results against anybody but do you honestly think a team with neil lennon in charge and big sammi as captain, stokes as the main goal threatand chuck mulgrew as the creative player in the team along with a fat unfit commons(who I think is the best player at cp and rate highly)can compete away from home in the cl.Lennon has the easiest job in the world due to rangers not being there and the decent home performances are down to the fans more than the manager.I would love to here what others think.

@4 away u go 2 your own page

GunnieBhoy